RE: Mach II

[Mike Brunt]

Sean, sounds great, thanks.

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
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-Original Message-
From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Mach II

On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 09:48 US/Pacific, Neil Middleton wrote:
> I've jus been looking at the sample contact manager.
>
> For what it does, it comes across as hideously complicated.

The contact manager is a toy application and isn't even complete - so,
yes, an implicit invocation architecture, implementing MVC, is overkill
for that application.

I'm building a blog app based on it as a small first app and I have
another application lined up for Mach II after that. A colleague of
mine is also evaluating Mach II for a project he's working on.

It's worth learning about the principles behind Mach II - read Ben's
white paper on the Mach II site.

Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood


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Re: consistancy

[Sean A Corfield]

On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 22:33 US/Pacific, Matthew Walker wrote:
> Problem is that CF developers (and the MACR docs -- look up 
> cffunction) then
> go ahead and call these functions inside components "methods". So 
> really the
> inconsistency has just moved to a new location.

That's exactly what I said - most all OO languages call 
functions-inside-classes/components "methods". CF is simply being 
consistent with other languages.

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Re: Hiding Javascript Source

[Kwang Suh]

If it's on my computer, I can get at it.

- Original Message - 
From: "Brad Roberts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:04 PM
Subject: SOT: Hiding Javascript Source


> I think I've found a way to hide Javascript source.  Has anyone done this
> yet?  I'll post an example if anyone is interested.
>
> -Brad
>
>
> 
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Re: Mach II

[Sean A Corfield]

On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 09:48 US/Pacific, Neil Middleton wrote:
> I've jus been looking at the sample contact manager.
>
> For what it does, it comes across as hideously complicated.

The contact manager is a toy application and isn't even complete - so, 
yes, an implicit invocation architecture, implementing MVC, is overkill 
for that application.

I'm building a blog app based on it as a small first app and I have 
another application lined up for Mach II after that. A colleague of 
mine is also evaluating Mach II for a project he's working on.

It's worth learning about the principles behind Mach II - read Ben's 
white paper on the Mach II site.

Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood

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RE: consistancy

[Matthew Walker]

Problem is that CF developers (and the MACR docs -- look up cffunction) then
go ahead and call these functions inside components "methods". So really the
inconsistency has just moved to a new location. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 3:41 p.m.
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: consistancy
> 
> On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 16:10 US/Pacific, Michael T. Tangorre
> wrote:
> > For instance... Inside a cfcomponent tag you can have functions
> > (cffunction)
> > yet when you publish this as a web service you use
> > http://someUrl/someDir/componentName.cfc?method=methodName  in the
> > url. Why
> > not call method function or function method in the CFC
> 
> cffunction lets you define functions both inside and outside components
> - that's like other languages (i.e., same syntax for functions both
> inside and outside classes / whatever). Yet almost all OO languages
> call them 'methods' when they're inside a class / component - even tho'
> the same syntax defines them.
> 
> So, it's CF's way of being a bit more consistent with other OO
> languages' terminology...
> 
> Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/
> 
> "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
> -- Margaret Atwood
> 
> 
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Re: Mach II

[Sean A Corfield]

On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 10:17 US/Pacific, Ben Densmore wrote:
> I've looked at it real quick. It is definitely different from previous
> versions of fusebox.

Well, it isn't Fusebox at all. Hence the name change. If you want an 
evolution of Fusebox 3, look at Fusebox 4. That's still a pipes & 
filters architecture and, for the most part, much more familiar to 
existing Fuseboxers. Mach II is a totally different approach - once you 
get the hang of it, it's actually pretty straightforward...

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Re: CFRETURN has incorrect documentation

[Sean A Corfield]

On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 03:07 US/Pacific, Kola Oyedeji wrote:
> Will there be a paper based version of the Red Sky docs?

What's paper? :)

Seriously tho', I don't know what the packaging plans are around Red 
Sky.

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Re: consistancy

[Sean A Corfield]

On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 16:10 US/Pacific, Michael T. Tangorre 
wrote:
> For instance... Inside a cfcomponent tag you can have functions 
> (cffunction)
> yet when you publish this as a web service you use
> http://someUrl/someDir/componentName.cfc?method=methodName  in the 
> url. Why
> not call method function or function method in the CFC

cffunction lets you define functions both inside and outside components 
- that's like other languages (i.e., same syntax for functions both 
inside and outside classes / whatever). Yet almost all OO languages 
call them 'methods' when they're inside a class / component - even tho' 
the same syntax defines them.

So, it's CF's way of being a bit more consistent with other OO 
languages' terminology...

Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/

"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
-- Margaret Atwood

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help with duplicating / clearing session scope

[Mike Mertsock]

If you want to keep some of your session variables anyway, you might have to set some 
sort of variable that OnRequestEnd.cfm will look at to see whether to clear out those 
specific session scope vars you want out. Maybe in OnRequestEnd.cfm you use  
to default a request.dropSessionStatus variable to false.

If the user logs out, you set that variable to true. Then in OnRequestEnd.cfm you 
could check the value of that boolean and act appropriately? My brain is fried too, 
there's probably a more elegant solution than us night owls can figure out :)

Mike Mertsock
Alferd University Web Team

>I'm duplicating my session scope to the request scope in my
>Application.cfm, and then duplicating them back to the session scope in my
>OnRequestEnd.cfm and it works well, and prevents me from doing a lot of
>locking.
>
>However, I'm stuck now on actually clearing the session vars out, say
>when a user logs out. I want to keep some variables, and I seem to be
>stuck in a loop of I clear the session vars out but they get written
>back from the request scope immediately.
>
>It's midnight and I'm probably a bit brain dead but was wondering if
>anyone has used this system and could briefly explain what I'm missing
>:)
>
>Thanks,
>jim
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Hiding Javascript Source

[Mike Mertsock]

You can scramble CFML though :-). How many votes for developing a client-side flavor 
of CFML to replace Javascript?

Seriously though, I'm pretty sure it's not possible to *completely* hide JS from the 
experienced visitor, but I am intrigued by your claim. I'd be interested in seeing 
your example.

Mike Mertsock
Alfred University Web Team

>Can't hide it. Best you can do is put it in an external file a include it.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brad Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:04 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: SOT: Hiding Javascript Source
>
>
>I think I've found a way to hide Javascript source.  Has anyone done this
>yet?  I'll post an example if anyone is interested.
>
>-Brad
>
>
>
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help with duplicating / clearing session scope

[Jim]

I'm duplicating my session scope to the request scope in my
Application.cfm, and then duplicating them back to the session scope in my
OnRequestEnd.cfm and it works well, and prevents me from doing a lot of
locking.

However, I'm stuck now on actually clearing the session vars out, say
when a user logs out. I want to keep some variables, and I seem to be
stuck in a loop of I clear the session vars out but they get written
back from the request scope immediately.

It's midnight and I'm probably a bit brain dead but was wondering if
anyone has used this system and could briefly explain what I'm missing
:)

Thanks,
jim

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Passing

[Mike Mertsock]

Looks like that ClearAll() Javascript function wants to operate on some elements in 
another frame, correct?

To access another frame in Javascript, the syntax always begins with top.frame_name, 
where frame_name is the value specifed for the name attribute of the associated 
 tag. To call a JS function in another frame, you do 
top.frame_name.functionName().

So it sounds like the best way for you to implement this "Clear all" function is to 
place the javascript function in the target frame. Then change the onclick of your 
input tag to "top.frame_name.ClearAll('Omit');". Then your ClearAll function can do 
whatever it needs to do in that frame.

Hope this is what you're looking for...

Mike Mertsock
Alfred University Web Team

>Hi,
>
>I have the following line.
>
>   name="Clear_All_OMITDIR" OnClick="ClearAll('Omit');">
>
>When this button is clicked I want to pass the value of the button to 
>another template in another frame. 
>Whats the correct syntax? Do I have to create a session or cokkie?
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RE: Hiding Javascript Source

[Michael T. Tangorre]

Can't hide it. Best you can do is put it in an external file a include it.



-Original Message-
From: Brad Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: Hiding Javascript Source


I think I've found a way to hide Javascript source.  Has anyone done this
yet?  I'll post an example if anyone is interested.

-Brad



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SOT: Hiding Javascript Source

[Brad Roberts]

I think I've found a way to hide Javascript source.  Has anyone done this
yet?  I'll post an example if anyone is interested.

-Brad


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Re: Verity Exclude Comments

[Ewok]

had to redeem myself before bed, sorry again. Hope you got this one before
you wasted time on the first one i pulled from god knows where...

<\!-([^>]+)->

it SHOULD match any comment tags like



basically anything that starts with 

goodluck



- Original Message -
From: "Ewok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Verity Exclude Comments


> ha, that was sooo stupid... it appeared to work because... COMMENTS
WOULDNT
> SHOW UP IN THE OUTPUT ANYWAY! good thinking me!... its been a long regex
> day.. sorry bout that.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ewok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Verity Exclude Comments
>
>
> > far from an answer to your question, but recently I had to do a verity
> half
> > dynamic and half static.
> >
> > I decided to make a new table in the database that holds all the info
from
> > the static pages
> > title, body, url etc... and just index that. It really saved a big
> headache
> > when it comes to trying to exclude code, comments and entire templates.
> >
> > if you've already got it set up and indexed and dont want to change it,
> you
> > could always use a regex to remove the comments
> >
> > starts with 
> >
> >
> > wow believe it or not i wrote a regex that works today...
> >
> > 
> >
> > 
> > #rereplacenocase(comment, "^[\<\!-]*^[-\>]", "", "ALL")#
> > 
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jason Rogoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> > Subject: Verity Exclude Comments
> >
> >
> > > Is there any way to exclude comment blocks from being index by Verity
> > and/or
> > > using them as the summary for results?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
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Re: Verity Exclude Comments

[Ewok]

ha, that was sooo stupid... it appeared to work because... COMMENTS WOULDNT
SHOW UP IN THE OUTPUT ANYWAY! good thinking me!... its been a long regex
day.. sorry bout that.

- Original Message -
From: "Ewok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: Verity Exclude Comments


> far from an answer to your question, but recently I had to do a verity
half
> dynamic and half static.
>
> I decided to make a new table in the database that holds all the info from
> the static pages
> title, body, url etc... and just index that. It really saved a big
headache
> when it comes to trying to exclude code, comments and entire templates.
>
> if you've already got it set up and indexed and dont want to change it,
you
> could always use a regex to remove the comments
>
> starts with 
>
>
> wow believe it or not i wrote a regex that works today...
>
> 
>
> 
> #rereplacenocase(comment, "^[\<\!-]*^[-\>]", "", "ALL")#
> 
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jason Rogoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> Subject: Verity Exclude Comments
>
>
> > Is there any way to exclude comment blocks from being index by Verity
> and/or
> > using them as the summary for results?
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: Verity Exclude Comments

[Ewok]

far from an answer to your question, but recently I had to do a verity half
dynamic and half static.

I decided to make a new table in the database that holds all the info from
the static pages
title, body, url etc... and just index that. It really saved a big headache
when it comes to trying to exclude code, comments and entire templates.

if you've already got it set up and indexed and dont want to change it, you
could always use a regex to remove the comments

starts with 


wow believe it or not i wrote a regex that works today...




#rereplacenocase(comment, "^[\<\!-]*^[-\>]", "", "ALL")#


- Original Message -
From: "Jason Rogoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
Subject: Verity Exclude Comments


> Is there any way to exclude comment blocks from being index by Verity
and/or
> using them as the summary for results?
>
>
> 
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Re: Attention Regex guru's

[Ewok]

actually its perfect, there were 2 or 3 different image names in the test
string when the regex was trying to match one certain image
(#imagefilename#)

 : ) great job and thanks ALOT!

- Original Message -
From: "Ewok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Attention Regex guru's


> Yes! that helps alot, its deffinatley alot closer than ive gotten it, but
> your example misses its own first 4 img tags in the test string. Any
> thoughts?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Attention Regex guru's
>
>
> >  sklgj jl  slgkj  src=""jjj.gif"">sldk jgljks d  alt=""im alt text"" width=""100"" height=""100""> sfg as g or  src=""image.gif"">  or http://site.com/images/image.gif"";
> alt=""im alt text"" width=""100"" height=""100""> or as Kola pointed out..
<
> img src=""somwhere/images/image.gif"" alt=""im alt text"" width=""100""
> height=""100"" >">
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > 
bb=rereplacenocase(str,"<[^>]*img[^>]+src=""?[^"" ]*#imgfilename#""?[^>]*>",
> "","ALL")>
> >
> > 
> > #str#
> > 
> > #bb#
> > 
> >
> > This handles all the cases you included. REFindNoCase should be the same
> regex.
> >
> >
> > Does this help? Am I still missing it?
> > Jerry Johnson
> >
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/29/03 02:56PM >>>
> > mail must be wiggin out again... i havent seen another response from
> > jerry...
> > ok I dont think i explained it too well...
> >
> > basically we made the mistake that alot of people have, giving a client
a
> > textarea in an admin tool to edit the main body of a certain page. Now
we
> > also gave a pretty descent dynamic image placement feature so they can
> place
> > an image where ever they want in the body.
> >
> > Well, they decided (for some reason or another) to not use the image
> > placement tool and put in their own image tags. This all works fine as
> long
> > as the put it in right until... they go into the image management
> tools
> > and delete an image they have put in manually. THen they are left with a
> > broken image unless they go to that admin tool as well and remove the no
> > longer valid image tag.
> >
> > so... what im trying to do is this...
> >
> > when they go to the image manger tool for say the news section... and
> delete
> > an image
> > I want to search the news table's body content filed and remove any
image
> > tag that has the image that is being deleted in it
> >
> > so i might be looking for
> >  > height="100">
> > or
> > 
> > or
> > http://site.com/images/image.gif"; alt="im alt text"
width="100"
> > height="100">
> >
> > or as Kola pointed out..
> >
> > < img src="somwhere/images/image.gif" alt="im alt text" width="100"
> > height="100" >
> >
> > all of these may or may not have double quotes or single quotes
> > the only thing known for certain going in is that it is going to
> > START with a "<"
> > CONTAIN somewhere within a "img" and the name of the image "image.gif"
> > END with a ">"
> >
> > so i need to match (somehow) "<" + possibletext + "img" +
> > possibletextandslashes + #imagename# + more possibletext + ">"
> >
> > hope this all makes sense : )
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: Attention Regex guru's
> >
> >
> > > The previous response is much better (since I read your question
partly
> > wrong)
> > >
> > > It only allows 0 or 1 quotes after src=  (mine allowed for more for no
> > good reason)
> > > It looks for the #imgfilename# string   (mine looked for an actual
> > filename set by imgfilename)
> > > It doesn't bother finding the quotes after the src= (since it is not
> > important)
> > >
> > > Jerry Johnson
> > >
> > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/29/03 10:44AM >>>
> > > 
> > > Jerry Johnson
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/29/03 01:28PM >>>
> > > I've come to the conclusion that ...I suck at Regular axpressions.
> > > I've been trying to get a regex to match all instances of
> > >
> > > start  somewhere in there   end
> > > ""
> > >
> > > since there can be width, height, alt, etc... I need everything that
> > starts
> > > with "" and has "#imagefilename#" name
inbetween.
> > Make
> > > sense?
> > >
> > > i figured id go with #imagefilename# rather than "src=#imgfilename#"
> since
> > > ive seen some with quotes and some without
> > >
> > >
> > > any help greatly appreciated thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
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Re: Attention Regex guru's

[Ewok]

Yes! that helps alot, its deffinatley alot closer than ive gotten it, but
your example misses its own first 4 img tags in the test string. Any
thoughts?


- Original Message -
From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Attention Regex guru's


>  sklgj jl  slgkj sldk jgljks d  sfg as g or   or http://site.com/images/image.gif"";
alt=""im alt text"" width=""100"" height=""100""> or as Kola pointed out.. <
img src=""somwhere/images/image.gif"" alt=""im alt text"" width=""100""
height=""100"" >">
>
> 
>
>
> ]*img[^>]+src=""?[^"" ]*#imgfilename#""?[^>]*>",
"","ALL")>
>
> 
> #str#
> 
> #bb#
> 
>
> This handles all the cases you included. REFindNoCase should be the same
regex.
>
>
> Does this help? Am I still missing it?
> Jerry Johnson
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/29/03 02:56PM >>>
> mail must be wiggin out again... i havent seen another response from
> jerry...
> ok I dont think i explained it too well...
>
> basically we made the mistake that alot of people have, giving a client a
> textarea in an admin tool to edit the main body of a certain page. Now we
> also gave a pretty descent dynamic image placement feature so they can
place
> an image where ever they want in the body.
>
> Well, they decided (for some reason or another) to not use the image
> placement tool and put in their own image tags. This all works fine as
long
> as the put it in right until... they go into the image management
tools
> and delete an image they have put in manually. THen they are left with a
> broken image unless they go to that admin tool as well and remove the no
> longer valid image tag.
>
> so... what im trying to do is this...
>
> when they go to the image manger tool for say the news section... and
delete
> an image
> I want to search the news table's body content filed and remove any image
> tag that has the image that is being deleted in it
>
> so i might be looking for
>  height="100">
> or
> 
> or
> http://site.com/images/image.gif"; alt="im alt text" width="100"
> height="100">
>
> or as Kola pointed out..
>
> < img src="somwhere/images/image.gif" alt="im alt text" width="100"
> height="100" >
>
> all of these may or may not have double quotes or single quotes
> the only thing known for certain going in is that it is going to
> START with a "<"
> CONTAIN somewhere within a "img" and the name of the image "image.gif"
> END with a ">"
>
> so i need to match (somehow) "<" + possibletext + "img" +
> possibletextandslashes + #imagename# + more possibletext + ">"
>
> hope this all makes sense : )
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:52 AM
> Subject: Re: Attention Regex guru's
>
>
> > The previous response is much better (since I read your question partly
> wrong)
> >
> > It only allows 0 or 1 quotes after src=  (mine allowed for more for no
> good reason)
> > It looks for the #imgfilename# string   (mine looked for an actual
> filename set by imgfilename)
> > It doesn't bother finding the quotes after the src= (since it is not
> important)
> >
> > Jerry Johnson
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/29/03 10:44AM >>>
> > 
> > Jerry Johnson
> >
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/29/03 01:28PM >>>
> > I've come to the conclusion that ...I suck at Regular axpressions.
> > I've been trying to get a regex to match all instances of
> >
> > start  somewhere in there   end
> > ""
> >
> > since there can be width, height, alt, etc... I need everything that
> starts
> > with "" and has "#imagefilename#" name inbetween.
> Make
> > sense?
> >
> > i figured id go with #imagefilename# rather than "src=#imgfilename#"
since
> > ive seen some with quotes and some without
> >
> >
> > any help greatly appreciated thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
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RE: cf hosting - CFFILE

[mayo]

you're right!

I guess I that teaches me to yell at people who don't RTFM. :-)

Silly me I just confirmed what they had by going to "hosting" and didn't
even read what was on the gateway.

thx!!!

Gilbert Midonnet




-Original Message-
From: B G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: cf hosting - CFFILE


I just looked at them.  Go to http://www.readyhosting.com/ and hit the Cold
Fusion MX Plan Details link.

It appears they do allow CFFILE.

BG

>From: "mayo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: cf hosting - CFFILE
>Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:29:09 -0400
>
>I've been using readyhosting. I recommend it for low-end CF hosting.
>They're
>very reliable. However they do not support CFFILE. (surprise, surprise)
>
>Does anyone know of a good low-end host (100-150/year) that supports
>CFFILE.
>I have a client for whom CFFILE would  be perfect but I don't think that he
>would go for paying substantially more for hosting than he is currently.
>
>Gilbert Midonnet
>
>
>
>

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Verity Exclude Comments

[Jason Rogoz]

Is there any way to exclude comment blocks from being index by Verity and/or
using them as the summary for results?


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Re: ColdFusion on Linux

[Cary Gordon]

CF for Linux does not include an Access ODBC driver.  Access is different 
from database servers like MySQL or MS SQL.  The .mdb file is basically 
just a data file.  The Windows Access ODBC driver uses the MSJet database 
engine (we won't muddy this with MSDE) to become, in effect, the database 
server.

AFAIK, there is nothing with similar functionality available on other 
platforms.

There is a company called Intelligent Converters 
 that makes utilities to convert from Access to 
MySQL and back again.  You should check them out.

Cary Gordon
The Cherry Hill Company

At 08:55 AM 7/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>BTW, we're talking CF version 5 on this...
>
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "David K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:30 AM
>Subject: SOT: ColdFusion on Linux
>
>
> > Are there any issues using a MS Access DB
> > with ColdFusion on a Linux box?
> >
> > David K.


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RE: cf hosting - CFFILE -thx

[mayo]

Thx for the suggestions.

Gilbert Midonnet



-Original Message-
From: mayo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cf hosting - CFFILE


I've been using readyhosting. I recommend it for low-end CF hosting. They're
very reliable. However they do not support CFFILE. (surprise, surprise)

Does anyone know of a good low-end host (100-150/year) that supports CFFILE.
I have a client for whom CFFILE would  be perfect but I don't think that he
would go for paying substantially more for hosting than he is currently.

Gilbert Midonnet




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RDS to oracle

[Ray Bujarski]

I am trying to set up an RDS connection via my cold fusion studio to an
oracle 8.1.7 db and am unable to do so.  Does anyone know of any issues
with doing this?  
I am using the machine host name for the host name, and the correct
username and password.  But I keep getting the message "The server
returned an invalid or unrecognized response"
Thanks,
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Re: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Brook Davies]

Strange eh? On the server, it sure as heck is there:
http://www.teamskyline.com/test.html

Brook
At 04:50 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>No...
>
>Jeff
>- Original Message -
>From: "Brook Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:46 PM
>Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
>Tell me something, do you see a field named "method" in the source for this
>page?
>http://www.teamskyline.com/test.cfm
>
>Brook
>
>At 05:06 PM 7/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
> >just my thoughts- since the term 'method' is used in COM objects, maybe it
> >was recently added to some reserved words list..
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:04 PM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
> >
> >
> >So I changed my form to look like this, just for testing:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I don't know if the above code will show up on the list, but I renamed the
> >field "method" to "methodman". And on the form results page, I get this
> >result
> >
> >
> >Form Fields:
> >ODMAN=myvalue
> >ACTION=myvalue
> >FIELD1=1
> >FIELD2=2
> >FIELDNAMES=FIELD1,FIELD2,ACTION, ODMAN,TESTMETHODMAN,TESTFIELD
> >TESTFIELD=dsaf
> >TESTMETHODMAN=myvalue
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I also added some other fields and changed the order around. This is s
> >strange. I also tried going to an old IIS metabase backup and that did not
> >help...
> >
> >Re-install very shortlyor I might just do a find and replace on the
> >word method and change it to something
> >
> >Brook
> >
> >
> >At 05:14 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Ooops! Thanks for catching that. :)
> > >
> > > > I would cycle CF and IIS before doing any type of install.
> > >
> > >
> > > > ~~
> > > > Stephenie Hamilton
> > > > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional
> > > > CFXHosting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> > > > To: CF-Talk
> > > > Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
> > >
> > >
> > > > I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint
> > > > before
> > > > -- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another
> > > > browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server
> > > > (reinstall
> > > > ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to
> > > > corruption in
> > > > either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on
> > > > another
> > > > server temporarily to test.
> > >
> > > > Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form
> > > > variable
> > > > using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why
> > > > you'd
> > > > want to. :)
> > >
> > > > hth
> > >
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Re: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Jeff Garza]

No...

Jeff
- Original Message -
From: "Brook Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:46 PM
Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!


Tell me something, do you see a field named "method" in the source for this
page?
http://www.teamskyline.com/test.cfm

Brook

At 05:06 PM 7/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>just my thoughts- since the term 'method' is used in COM objects, maybe it
>was recently added to some reserved words list..
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:04 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
>So I changed my form to look like this, just for testing:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I don't know if the above code will show up on the list, but I renamed the
>field "method" to "methodman". And on the form results page, I get this
>result
>
>
>Form Fields:
>ODMAN=myvalue
>ACTION=myvalue
>FIELD1=1
>FIELD2=2
>FIELDNAMES=FIELD1,FIELD2,ACTION, ODMAN,TESTMETHODMAN,TESTFIELD
>TESTFIELD=dsaf
>TESTMETHODMAN=myvalue
>
>
>
>
>I also added some other fields and changed the order around. This is s
>strange. I also tried going to an old IIS metabase backup and that did not
>help...
>
>Re-install very shortlyor I might just do a find and replace on the
>word method and change it to something
>
>Brook
>
>
>At 05:14 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ooops! Thanks for catching that. :)
> >
> > > I would cycle CF and IIS before doing any type of install.
> >
> >
> > > ~~
> > > Stephenie Hamilton
> > > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional
> > > CFXHosting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
> >
> >
> > > I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint
> > > before
> > > -- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another
> > > browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server
> > > (reinstall
> > > ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to
> > > corruption in
> > > either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on
> > > another
> > > server temporarily to test.
> >
> > > Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form
> > > variable
> > > using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why
> > > you'd
> > > want to. :)
> >
> > > hth
> >
> > > Isaac
> >
> >
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RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Brook Davies]

Sorry for all the posts ;0 Well, it has nothing to do with CF. This page, 
that I created on the server, that 100% has the field named "method", has 
the characters "meth" erased when viewed.

Note that, the word is only ever replaced when it is inside of the string 
name="od":

http://www.teamskyline.com/test.HTML

And, since when I sent email through the server, it also had the word 
"meth" replaced, that means its not IIS and its not CF.

I don't think its the firewall, because other websites behind the same 
firewall do not exhibit these symptoms.

I'm baffled. But I'm running a virus scan?!

Brook



At 05:06 PM 7/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>just my thoughts- since the term 'method' is used in COM objects, maybe it
>was recently added to some reserved words list..
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:04 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
>So I changed my form to look like this, just for testing:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I don't know if the above code will show up on the list, but I renamed the
>field "method" to "methodman". And on the form results page, I get this
>result
>
>
>Form Fields:
>ODMAN=myvalue
>ACTION=myvalue
>FIELD1=1
>FIELD2=2
>FIELDNAMES=FIELD1,FIELD2,ACTION, ODMAN,TESTMETHODMAN,TESTFIELD
>TESTFIELD=dsaf
>TESTMETHODMAN=myvalue
>
>
>
>
>I also added some other fields and changed the order around. This is s
>strange. I also tried going to an old IIS metabase backup and that did not
>help...
>
>Re-install very shortlyor I might just do a find and replace on the
>word method and change it to something
>
>Brook
>
>
>At 05:14 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ooops! Thanks for catching that. :)
> >
> > > I would cycle CF and IIS before doing any type of install.
> >
> >
> > > ~~
> > > Stephenie Hamilton
> > > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional
> > > CFXHosting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
> >
> >
> > > I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint
> > > before
> > > -- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another
> > > browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server
> > > (reinstall
> > > ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to
> > > corruption in
> > > either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on
> > > another
> > > server temporarily to test.
> >
> > > Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form
> > > variable
> > > using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why
> > > you'd
> > > want to. :)
> >
> > > hth
> >
> > > Isaac
> >
> >
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RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Michael T. Tangorre]

Nope.

-Original Message-
From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!


Tell me something, do you see a field named "method" in the source for this 
page?
http://www.teamskyline.com/test.cfm

Brook

At 05:06 PM 7/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>just my thoughts- since the term 'method' is used in COM objects, maybe it
>was recently added to some reserved words list..
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:04 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
>So I changed my form to look like this, just for testing:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I don't know if the above code will show up on the list, but I renamed the
>field "method" to "methodman". And on the form results page, I get this
>result
>
>
>Form Fields:
>ODMAN=myvalue
>ACTION=myvalue
>FIELD1=1
>FIELD2=2
>FIELDNAMES=FIELD1,FIELD2,ACTION, ODMAN,TESTMETHODMAN,TESTFIELD
>TESTFIELD=dsaf
>TESTMETHODMAN=myvalue
>
>
>
>
>I also added some other fields and changed the order around. This is s
>strange. I also tried going to an old IIS metabase backup and that did not
>help...
>
>Re-install very shortlyor I might just do a find and replace on the
>word method and change it to something
>
>Brook
>
>
>At 05:14 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ooops! Thanks for catching that. :)
> >
> > > I would cycle CF and IIS before doing any type of install.
> >
> >
> > > ~~
> > > Stephenie Hamilton
> > > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional
> > > CFXHosting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
> >
> >
> > > I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint
> > > before
> > > -- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another
> > > browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server
> > > (reinstall
> > > ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to
> > > corruption in
> > > either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on
> > > another
> > > server temporarily to test.
> >
> > > Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form
> > > variable
> > > using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why
> > > you'd
> > > want to. :)
> >
> > > hth
> >
> > > Isaac
> >
> >
> > > ---
> > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > > Version: 6.0.504 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date:
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> >
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> >
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Re: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Dave Carabetta]

> So I changed my form to look like this, just for testing:
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

FYI, I've run into issues before by naming a form field "action". It
conflicts with the "action" attribute of the form tag. I can't remember if
it was browser-specific, and don't know if it relates to your issue, but you
may want to change that and see what happens.

Regards,
Dave.
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Re: How to secure CF directories without moving them from wwwroot

[Jeff Garza]

In IIS remove Read access to those directories... You'll still need to allow
IUSR access to them in your security permissions though.  Then use
CFHEADER/CFCONTENT to spool out the information from those folders.

HTH,

Jeff Garza
- Original Message -
From: "larry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 2:44 PM
Subject: How to secure CF directories without moving them from wwwroot


Folks:

 I have MX but dont want these visible from the web.  How can you secure
them without
  moving them to another directory. At the moment I am using IIS 5.0 (yuck).

  Thanks

  L Marcus


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Looking for Adam Roe

[Rafael Alan Bleiweiss]

Does anyone on the list know Adam Roe?  He's an ASP programmer in Brooklyn 
and I need to get hold of him, except I can't recall which mailing list I 
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RE: consistancy

[Michael T. Tangorre]

Id second that.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Matthew Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: consistancy


I think we experienced a paradigm shift somewhere between cf5 and cfmx. It
is very confusing I think to write methods using the cffunction tag. Can't
help thinking adding cfmethod and making it a synonym of cffunction wouldn't
hurt.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 11:12 a.m.
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: consistancy
> 
> Why is the naming not consistent?
> 
> For instance... Inside a cfcomponent tag you can have functions
> (cffunction)
> yet when you publish this as a web service you use
> http://someUrl/someDir/componentName.cfc?method=methodName  in the url.
> Why
> not call method function or function method in the CFC
> 
> I know this is picky, but is there a reason behind it?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 

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RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Brook Davies]

Tell me something, do you see a field named "method" in the source for this 
page?
http://www.teamskyline.com/test.cfm

Brook

At 05:06 PM 7/29/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>just my thoughts- since the term 'method' is used in COM objects, maybe it
>was recently added to some reserved words list..
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:04 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
>So I changed my form to look like this, just for testing:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I don't know if the above code will show up on the list, but I renamed the
>field "method" to "methodman". And on the form results page, I get this
>result
>
>
>Form Fields:
>ODMAN=myvalue
>ACTION=myvalue
>FIELD1=1
>FIELD2=2
>FIELDNAMES=FIELD1,FIELD2,ACTION, ODMAN,TESTMETHODMAN,TESTFIELD
>TESTFIELD=dsaf
>TESTMETHODMAN=myvalue
>
>
>
>
>I also added some other fields and changed the order around. This is s
>strange. I also tried going to an old IIS metabase backup and that did not
>help...
>
>Re-install very shortlyor I might just do a find and replace on the
>word method and change it to something
>
>Brook
>
>
>At 05:14 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ooops! Thanks for catching that. :)
> >
> > > I would cycle CF and IIS before doing any type of install.
> >
> >
> > > ~~
> > > Stephenie Hamilton
> > > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional
> > > CFXHosting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
> >
> >
> > > I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint
> > > before
> > > -- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another
> > > browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server
> > > (reinstall
> > > ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to
> > > corruption in
> > > either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on
> > > another
> > > server temporarily to test.
> >
> > > Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form
> > > variable
> > > using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why
> > > you'd
> > > want to. :)
> >
> > > hth
> >
> > > Isaac
> >
> >
> > > ---
> > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
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Re: consistancy

[jonhall]

I don't think it's being picky...one of the most important things in
software development is calling things what they are imo.

Personally I think function is better, if only because it
helps differentiate CF from Java.

-- 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tuesday, July 29, 2003, 7:10:54 PM, you wrote:

MTT> Why is the naming not consistent?

MTT> For instance... Inside a cfcomponent tag you can have functions (cffunction)
MTT> yet when you publish this as a web service you use
MTT> http://someUrl/someDir/componentName.cfc?method=methodName  in the url. Why
MTT> not call method function or function method in the CFC

MTT> I know this is picky, but is there a reason behind it?

MTT> Mike

MTT> 
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RE: consistancy

[Matthew Walker]

I think we experienced a paradigm shift somewhere between cf5 and cfmx. It
is very confusing I think to write methods using the cffunction tag. Can't
help thinking adding cfmethod and making it a synonym of cffunction wouldn't
hurt.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 11:12 a.m.
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: consistancy
> 
> Why is the naming not consistent?
> 
> For instance... Inside a cfcomponent tag you can have functions
> (cffunction)
> yet when you publish this as a web service you use
> http://someUrl/someDir/componentName.cfc?method=methodName  in the url.
> Why
> not call method function or function method in the CFC
> 
> I know this is picky, but is there a reason behind it?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
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RE: consistancy

[Gunther Ahamer]

Well this is a guess but I know that CF uses AXIS for its web services, and
AXIS is a java package.
Java refers to functions using the smalltalk lingo of "methods".

-Original Message-
From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2003 9:12 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: consistancy


Why is the naming not consistent?

For instance... Inside a cfcomponent tag you can have functions (cffunction)
yet when you publish this as a web service you use
http://someUrl/someDir/componentName.cfc?method=methodName  in the url. Why
not call method function or function method in the CFC

I know this is picky, but is there a reason behind it?

Mike


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RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Brook Davies]

Yikes - do you see what I see? The "meth" was stripped out of my email 
also!  NOTE: my mailserver (argosoft) is on the same server as this problem 
is occurring on. So it must be something installed on that server - or the 
firewall that EVERYTHING must pass through. How freaky. I might know what 
it is in that case.

BTW, I checked my out folder, and it has the form field name as "method" 
(that should show as method). Strange eh? Indeed.

Ohh, here is a test. I am going to write the word method below a couple of 
times:

method
"method"
my method
your method
name="od"


Brook



At 04:03 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>So I changed my form to look like this, just for testing:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I don't know if the above code will show up on the list, but I renamed the
>field "method" to "methodman". And on the form results page, I get this result
>
>
>Form Fields:
>ODMAN=myvalue
>ACTION=myvalue
>FIELD1=1
>FIELD2=2
>FIELDNAMES=FIELD1,FIELD2,ACTION, ODMAN,TESTMETHODMAN,TESTFIELD
>TESTFIELD=dsaf
>TESTMETHODMAN=myvalue
>
>
>
>
>I also added some other fields and changed the order around. This is s
>strange. I also tried going to an old IIS metabase backup and that did not
>help...
>
>Re-install very shortlyor I might just do a find and replace on the
>word method and change it to something
>
>Brook
>
>
>At 05:14 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ooops! Thanks for catching that. :)
> >
> > > I would cycle CF and IIS before doing any type of install.
> >
> >
> > > ~~
> > > Stephenie Hamilton
> > > Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional
> > > CFXHosting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> > > To: CF-Talk
> > > Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
> >
> >
> > > I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint
> > > before
> > > -- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another
> > > browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server
> > > (reinstall
> > > ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to
> > > corruption in
> > > either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on
> > > another
> > > server temporarily to test.
> >
> > > Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form
> > > variable
> > > using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why
> > > you'd
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consistancy

[Michael T. Tangorre]

Why is the naming not consistent?

For instance... Inside a cfcomponent tag you can have functions (cffunction)
yet when you publish this as a web service you use
http://someUrl/someDir/componentName.cfc?method=methodName  in the url. Why
not call method function or function method in the CFC

I know this is picky, but is there a reason behind it?

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consistancy

[Michael T. Tangorre]

Why is the naming not consistent?

For instance... Inside a cfcomponent tag you can have functions (cffunction)
yet when you publish this as a web service you use
http://someUrl/someDir/componentName.cfc?method=methodName  in the url. Why
not call method function or function method in the CFC

I know this is picky, but is there a reason behind it?

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RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Bruce Rojas-Rennke]

just my thoughts- since the term 'method' is used in COM objects, maybe it
was recently added to some reserved words list..


-Original Message-
From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!


So I changed my form to look like this, just for testing:















I don't know if the above code will show up on the list, but I renamed the
field "method" to "methodman". And on the form results page, I get this
result


Form Fields:
ODMAN=myvalue
ACTION=myvalue
FIELD1=1
FIELD2=2
FIELDNAMES=FIELD1,FIELD2,ACTION, ODMAN,TESTMETHODMAN,TESTFIELD
TESTFIELD=dsaf
TESTMETHODMAN=myvalue




I also added some other fields and changed the order around. This is s
strange. I also tried going to an old IIS metabase backup and that did not
help...

Re-install very shortlyor I might just do a find and replace on the
word method and change it to something

Brook


At 05:14 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Ooops! Thanks for catching that. :)
>
> > I would cycle CF and IIS before doing any type of install.
>
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
> > I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint
> > before
> > -- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another
> > browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server
> > (reinstall
> > ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to
> > corruption in
> > either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on
> > another
> > server temporarily to test.
>
> > Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form
> > variable
> > using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why
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RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Brook Davies]

So I changed my form to look like this, just for testing:















I don't know if the above code will show up on the list, but I renamed the 
field "method" to "methodman". And on the form results page, I get this result


Form Fields:
ODMAN=myvalue
ACTION=myvalue
FIELD1=1
FIELD2=2
FIELDNAMES=FIELD1,FIELD2,ACTION, ODMAN,TESTMETHODMAN,TESTFIELD
TESTFIELD=dsaf
TESTMETHODMAN=myvalue




I also added some other fields and changed the order around. This is s 
strange. I also tried going to an old IIS metabase backup and that did not 
help...

Re-install very shortlyor I might just do a find and replace on the 
word method and change it to something

Brook


At 05:14 PM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Ooops! Thanks for catching that. :)
>
> > I would cycle CF and IIS before doing any type of install.
>
>
> > ~~
> > Stephenie Hamilton
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>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
> > I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint
> > before
> > -- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another
> > browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server
> > (reinstall
> > ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to
> > corruption in
> > either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on
> > another
> > server temporarily to test.
>
> > Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form
> > variable
> > using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why
> > you'd
> > want to. :)
>
> > hth
>
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Re: RE: re: Mach-II

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Or potentially New Atlanta's .NET version of BlueDragon. :)

> Hmm, .NET version, eh?

> You've just saved me a ton of work :)

> - Original Message -
> From: Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:43 pm
> Subject: RE: re: Mach-II

>> It's not just for cross-language purposes, Isaac, though
>> that is
>> important (we've got people working on PHP, Python, and
>> Lasso with
>> .NETand Java to come shortly) but just as importantly,
>> for consistency
>> across multiple versions. Even if we change the internals
>> of the
>> framework between versions, the XML will provide a
>> consistent
>> interfaceto the framework.
>>
>> Hal Helms
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>> in Las Vegas, August 18-22
>> www.halhelms.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:18 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: re: Mach-II
>>
>>
>> Yep... I wasn't really in touch with where you folks were
>> in that
>> process (finishing the beta, getting documentation done,
>> etc.)... I
>> wasn't griping -- I had just noticed several people point
>> to
>> http://beta.fusebox.org and had the impression that this
>> response was
>> roughly equivalent of:
>>
>> Q. Can you explain relativity to me?
>> A. Relativity is relative.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> I'll admit that until I read something specifically about
>> converting
>> mach-ii apps to other languages my basic reaction to the
>> addition and
>> application of the xml was to think it was gratuitous --
>> i.e. xml for
>> the sake of xml instead of xml for the sake of meeting a
>> goal.
>> Though in
>> retrospect it makes sense if you're trying to create an
>> architecture
>> that makes it easier to port applications to disparate
>> languages.
>>
>> Isaac
>>
>> --- Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Hopefully, by the time we launch Mach-II, we'll have
>> > time to
>> write a
>> > much more accessible guide. Without some sample code to
>> > work
>> with,
>> > we're left with speaking in abstractions that, while
>> > true, are
>> not
>> > real helpful as far as providing specifics.
>> >
>> > Hal Helms
>> > "Java for CF Programmers" class
>> > in Las Vegas, August 18-22
>> > www.halhelms.com
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: s. isaac dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:51 PM
>> > To: CF-Talk
>> > Subject: RE: Re: Mach II
>> >
>> >
>> > I think the general idea was that he found the info on
>> > that site
>> > confusing -- which is why he was asking for an "idiot's
>> guide"... I
>> > don't find it surprising... the verbiage is rather
>> > weighty... For
>> > instance:
>> >
>> > This headline: Event-Based, Implicit Invocation
>> > Architecture
>> > on this page:
>> > http://beta.fusebox.org/index.cfm?method=FuseboxMX.basi
>> > cConcepts
>> >
>> > Note that the method is labelled "basicConcepts" ...
>> > but the
>> verbiage
>> > isn't very basic... I think the average new person
>> > attacking
>> that site
>> > is probably looking for something much more
>> > accessible...
>> > Unfortunately
>> > I don't have any good alternative verbiage off the top
>> > of my
>> head.
>> >
>>
>>
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RE: re: Mach-II

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Isn't there always the potential that the xml dialect may change for the purpose of 
facilitating new features in the framework?

> It's not just for cross-language purposes, Isaac, though
> that is
> important (we've got people working on PHP, Python, and
> Lasso with .NET
> and Java to come shortly) but just as importantly, for
> consistency
> across multiple versions. Even if we change the internals
> of the
> framework between versions, the XML will provide a
> consistent interface
> to the framework.

> Hal Helms
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> in Las Vegas, August 18-22
> www.halhelms.com

> -Original Message-
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:18 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: re: Mach-II


> Yep... I wasn't really in touch with where you folks were
> in that
> process (finishing the beta, getting documentation done,
> etc.)... I
> wasn't griping -- I had just noticed several people point
> to
> http://beta.fusebox.org and had the impression that this
> response was
> roughly equivalent of:

> Q. Can you explain relativity to me?
> A. Relativity is relative.

> :)

> I'll admit that until I read something specifically about
> converting
> mach-ii apps to other languages my basic reaction to the
> addition and
> application of the xml was to think it was gratuitous --
> i.e. xml for
> the sake of xml instead of xml for the sake of meeting a
> goal. Though in
> retrospect it makes sense if you're trying to create an
> architecture
> that makes it easier to port applications to disparate
> languages.

> Isaac

> --- Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hopefully, by the time we launch Mach-II, we'll have time
>> to write a
>> much more accessible guide. Without some sample code to
>> work with,
>> we're left with speaking in abstractions that, while
>> true, are not
>> real helpful as far as providing specifics.
>>
>> Hal Helms
>> "Java for CF Programmers" class
>> in Las Vegas, August 18-22
>> www.halhelms.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:51 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: Re: Mach II
>>
>>
>> I think the general idea was that he found the info on
>> that site
>> confusing -- which is why he was asking for an "idiot's
>> guide"... I
>> don't find it surprising... the verbiage is rather
>> weighty... For
>> instance:
>>
>> This headline: Event-Based, Implicit Invocation
>> Architecture
>> on this page:
>> http://beta.fusebox.org/index.cfm?method=FuseboxMX.basicC
>> oncepts
>>
>> Note that the method is labelled "basicConcepts" ... but
>> the verbiage
>> isn't very basic... I think the average new person
>> attacking that site
>> is probably looking for something much more accessible...
>> Unfortunately
>> I don't have any good alternative verbiage off the top of
>> my head.
>>


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RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Ooops! Thanks for catching that. :)

> I would cycle CF and IIS before doing any type of install.


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> -Original Message-
> From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!


> I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint
> before
> -- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another
> browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server
> (reinstall
> ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to
> corruption in
> either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on
> another
> server temporarily to test.

> Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form
> variable
> using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why
> you'd
> want to. :)

> hth

> Isaac


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RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Brook Davies]

Yeah, rebooted, cycled etc. Nothing helps. It's very strange. One of the 
strangest things I have ever seen.

I'm going to do some windows updates and see what happens. Then I'll 
re-install IIS. I'm also looking at some ISAPI filters that might be 
getting in the way...

Brook Davies


At 05:36 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>That doesn't sound feasible. However, I would still try changing the name 
>for sh*** and giggles. I always look at the stupid crap first. Have you 
>rebooted the services, IIS, the box itself? Nothing else comes to mind.
>
>Mark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
>I use the name "method" all the time with IIS. And it worked on this server
>for years. Now, all of a sudden this is happening. I wonder if it could be
>some form of packet loss? Does that sound feasable?
>
>Brook
>
>At 05:01 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Have you tried renaming your field name? IIS may not like the word
> >"method". I don't know this for a fact, but it's worth a try.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:40 PM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: What could possibly cause this??!
> >
> >
> >Strange problem today:
> >
> >IIS 5.0 / Win2k
> >
> >I submit a form that has two fields, "username" and "method". On the
> >subsequent page, the debugging output shows:
> >
> >-
> >
> >FORM FIELDS
> >
> > OD=act_retrievepass
> >FIELDNAMES= OD,USERNAME
> >USERNAME=xc
> >
> >-
> >
> >
> >The "meth" is being stripped off of the "method" form field and I end up
> >with an unusable formfield named "od". I can't reference it because the
> >name starts with a space.
> >
> >This just started happening out of the blue! Any ideas? Anyone? I think I
> >might re-install IIS next. BTW, if i save the metabase, can I restore it
> >after I re-install IIS?
> >
> >Brook Davies
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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RE: Project for a web-based document archival & retrieval system

[Mark Stewart]

Doesn't sound complicated at all. We actually built an application that has just about 
all the features you mention below. We use it for online proofing. The process of 
scanning, indexing and moving files to storage, searching, viewing are just as you 
describe. In addition, we also give the ability to add notes to a document and 
approve/decline the document. We do use a third-party tool to compress the image files 
so they're easy to view over the Web. Typical compression is from approximately 100 
Mbs to around 30-50k. The down side to the compression utility is that we have to use 
their browser plug-in to view the image. It has worked very well so far.

Contact me off list if you have more questions.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Bushy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 7:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: re: Project for a web-based document archival & retrieval
system


Hi,

I have the opportunity to develop a web-based document archival & retrieval system 
which would provide air, truck, rail, ocean carriers and third party logistics 
providers 
proof of delivery. Currently alot of system carriers provide proof of delivery through 
a paper filing system.

I don't want to get in over my head. How difficult would it bee to put something like 
this together? Below are just some specs (Solution A & B).

Any thoughts on the points below would be greatly appreciated. I need to pick your 
brains! ;-D

Thanks


Uploading
---
The POD is scanned using a high speed scanner. The scanned documents are now in a 
digital format. It is this format that we use on the website. 
Upload the documents using the upload form on the website. (note: the form should have 
the capability of uploading more than one image at a time.)

Where on the website do these documents go? A specific folder? Do they need to be kept 
separate from the archived documents?


Indexing
--
Once the images are uploaded we need to assign search tags to the image. The search 
tags must be flexible enough so we can name the fields anything we want and 
enter any type of data. (eg make all entry fields alpha numeric) The standard search 
tags will be as indicated in the above numbered list. The search tags will consist of 
four fields.


Viewing
--
This section will enable the customer to search, view, print and email documents. We 
may need to establish several passwords for this section. Customers may wish to 
enable entry by several CSR's or even their customers.

Searching

As indicated earlier, there will be four criteria to search by. Therefore, we will 
need search functionality to use one, two, three or all fields for the search 
criteria. 
Additionally, each field should have the capability of entering wild cards to find 
"like" information.

Viewing the results
---
After the results of your search are displayed you may click on any one of the listed 
items to view the actual document image. Once the image is displayed we will need to 
have the capability to zoom and reduce the image at the click of a button as well as 
rotating the image may be helpful. A next and previous button will help to scroll 
through 
the other documents found in your search. A toolbar may be ideal for all this 
functionality. 


Printing and emailing
--
The toolbar noted above should also include buttons for printing and one for emailing.
These should allow the user to email or print the current document only.


Management
---
Develop a tool we can use to monitor the transactions so we can provide accurate 
billing.
The transaction would be the number of new entries in the database by customer and or 
the number of new uploads by customer.
We should be able to create a monthly report to create invoices from.





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Re: RE: re: Mach-II

[ksuh]

Hmm, .NET version, eh?

You've just saved me a ton of work :)

- Original Message -
From: Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:43 pm
Subject: RE: re: Mach-II

> It's not just for cross-language purposes, Isaac, though that is
> important (we've got people working on PHP, Python, and Lasso with 
> .NETand Java to come shortly) but just as importantly, for consistency
> across multiple versions. Even if we change the internals of the
> framework between versions, the XML will provide a consistent 
> interfaceto the framework.
> 
> Hal Helms
> "Java for CF Programmers" class 
> in Las Vegas, August 18-22
> www.halhelms.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:18 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: re: Mach-II
> 
> 
> Yep... I wasn't really in touch with where you folks were in that
> process (finishing the beta, getting documentation done, etc.)... I
> wasn't griping -- I had just noticed several people point to
> http://beta.fusebox.org and had the impression that this response was
> roughly equivalent of: 
> 
> Q. Can you explain relativity to me? 
> A. Relativity is relative. 
> 
> :)
> 
> I'll admit that until I read something specifically about converting
> mach-ii apps to other languages my basic reaction to the addition and
> application of the xml was to think it was gratuitous -- i.e. xml for
> the sake of xml instead of xml for the sake of meeting a goal. 
> Though in
> retrospect it makes sense if you're trying to create an architecture
> that makes it easier to port applications to disparate languages. 
> 
> Isaac
> 
> --- Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hopefully, by the time we launch Mach-II, we'll have time to 
> write a 
> > much more accessible guide. Without some sample code to work 
> with, 
> > we're left with speaking in abstractions that, while true, are 
> not 
> > real helpful as far as providing specifics.
> > 
> > Hal Helms
> > "Java for CF Programmers" class
> > in Las Vegas, August 18-22
> > www.halhelms.com
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: s. isaac dealey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:51 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Re: Mach II
> > 
> > 
> > I think the general idea was that he found the info on that site 
> > confusing -- which is why he was asking for an "idiot's 
> guide"... I 
> > don't find it surprising... the verbiage is rather weighty... For
> > instance:
> > 
> > This headline: Event-Based, Implicit Invocation Architecture
> > on this page:
> > http://beta.fusebox.org/index.cfm?method=FuseboxMX.basicConcepts
> > 
> > Note that the method is labelled "basicConcepts" ... but the 
> verbiage 
> > isn't very basic... I think the average new person attacking 
> that site
> > is probably looking for something much more accessible...
> > Unfortunately
> > I don't have any good alternative verbiage off the top of my 
> head. 
> > 
> 
> 
> =
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> 
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> 
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Dreamweaver MX RDS Backward-Compatibility

[David Delbridge]

Hi all,

Is Dreamweaver MX backward-compatible with CF 4.5?  A user of mine is
reporting failure connecting to a CF 4.5.1 server via RDS.  The response
is, "Unable to authenticate on RDS server using current 
security information!"  I have verified the connection with Studio 4.5.

Unfortunately, because MX doesn't support RDS sandboxing, he cannot
upgrade his website to an MX server (without moving to a dedicated
server), or that would be the preferred solution.

Any advice is appreciated.

Dave

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The death of a session variable?

[Jeremy Brodie]

You're right.I ment to say "third party cookies". 

>Blocking of session cookies is _not_ default IE6. IE6 will block
>cookies if they are set by a third party by default, that's it.
>Creating a p3p policy file can allow bypass of this.

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Re: cf hosting - CFFILE

[B G]

I just looked at them.  Go to http://www.readyhosting.com/ and hit the Cold 
Fusion MX Plan Details link.

It appears they do allow CFFILE.

BG

>From: "mayo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: cf hosting - CFFILE
>Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:29:09 -0400
>
>I've been using readyhosting. I recommend it for low-end CF hosting. 
>They're
>very reliable. However they do not support CFFILE. (surprise, surprise)
>
>Does anyone know of a good low-end host (100-150/year) that supports 
>CFFILE.
>I have a client for whom CFFILE would  be perfect but I don't think that he
>would go for paying substantially more for hosting than he is currently.
>
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>
>
>
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Re: How to secure CF directories without moving them from wwwroot

[David Delbridge]

Why not simply secure the directory with NTFS permissions?

Dave

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larry wrote:
> 
>  Folks:
> 
>  I have MX but dont want these visible from the web.  How can you secure
> them without
>   moving them to another directory. At the moment I am using IIS 5.0 (yuck).
> 
>   Thanks
> 
>   L Marcus
> 
> 
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RE: re: Mach-II

[Hal Helms]

It's not just for cross-language purposes, Isaac, though that is
important (we've got people working on PHP, Python, and Lasso with .NET
and Java to come shortly) but just as importantly, for consistency
across multiple versions. Even if we change the internals of the
framework between versions, the XML will provide a consistent interface
to the framework.

Hal Helms
"Java for CF Programmers" class 
in Las Vegas, August 18-22
www.halhelms.com

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:18 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: re: Mach-II


Yep... I wasn't really in touch with where you folks were in that
process (finishing the beta, getting documentation done, etc.)... I
wasn't griping -- I had just noticed several people point to
http://beta.fusebox.org and had the impression that this response was
roughly equivalent of: 

Q. Can you explain relativity to me? 
A. Relativity is relative. 

:)

I'll admit that until I read something specifically about converting
mach-ii apps to other languages my basic reaction to the addition and
application of the xml was to think it was gratuitous -- i.e. xml for
the sake of xml instead of xml for the sake of meeting a goal. Though in
retrospect it makes sense if you're trying to create an architecture
that makes it easier to port applications to disparate languages. 

Isaac

--- Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hopefully, by the time we launch Mach-II, we'll have time to write a 
> much more accessible guide. Without some sample code to work with, 
> we're left with speaking in abstractions that, while true, are not 
> real helpful as far as providing specifics.
> 
> Hal Helms
> "Java for CF Programmers" class
> in Las Vegas, August 18-22
> www.halhelms.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Re: Mach II
> 
> 
> I think the general idea was that he found the info on that site 
> confusing -- which is why he was asking for an "idiot's guide"... I 
> don't find it surprising... the verbiage is rather weighty... For
> instance:
> 
> This headline: Event-Based, Implicit Invocation Architecture
> on this page:
> http://beta.fusebox.org/index.cfm?method=FuseboxMX.basicConcepts
> 
> Note that the method is labelled "basicConcepts" ... but the verbiage 
> isn't very basic... I think the average new person attacking that site
> is probably looking for something much more accessible...
> Unfortunately
> I don't have any good alternative verbiage off the top of my head. 
> 


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RE: The death of a session variable?

[Mark Stewart]

Ooops, just noticed that... Time to dust-off the hooked on phonics book again...

-Original Message-
From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The death of a session variable?


At 05:13 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>What the problem ended up to be was the servers that were having the 
>problems had been patched. As it turns out there was a security issue 
>(IIS) with domain names that had an underscore in them. The patch that was 
>provided by Microsoft simply disallowed a domain name with an underscore - 
>our dev and test server had underscores in the domain name. As soon as we 
>removed the underscore, our apparent session problems went away.

Mark,

Thanks for replying.

We're actually using Solaris/Apache in our setup, so this is not an issue. 


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How to secure CF directories without moving them from wwwroot

[larry]

 Folks:

 I have MX but dont want these visible from the web.  How can you secure
them without
  moving them to another directory. At the moment I am using IIS 5.0 (yuck).

  Thanks

  L Marcus

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RE: cf hosting - CFFILE

[CFDEV]

www.Uplinkearth.com provides their own version of CFFILE and CFDIRECTORY

Easy to use and their support is the best I have seen.

-Original Message-
From: mayo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cf hosting - CFFILE


I've been using readyhosting. I recommend it for low-end CF hosting.
They're very reliable. However they do not support CFFILE. (surprise,
surprise)

Does anyone know of a good low-end host (100-150/year) that supports
CFFILE. I have a client for whom CFFILE would  be perfect but I don't
think that he would go for paying substantially more for hosting than he
is currently.

Gilbert Midonnet




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Re: cf hosting - CFFILE

[Pablo Varando]

www.dataride.com

Pablo
- Original Message - 
From: "mayo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:29 PM
Subject: cf hosting - CFFILE


> I've been using readyhosting. I recommend it for low-end CF hosting.
They're
> very reliable. However they do not support CFFILE. (surprise, surprise)
>
> Does anyone know of a good low-end host (100-150/year) that supports
CFFILE.
> I have a client for whom CFFILE would  be perfect but I don't think that
he
> would go for paying substantially more for hosting than he is currently.
>
> Gilbert Midonnet
>
>
>
> 
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cf hosting - CFFILE

[mayo]

I've been using readyhosting. I recommend it for low-end CF hosting. They're
very reliable. However they do not support CFFILE. (surprise, surprise)

Does anyone know of a good low-end host (100-150/year) that supports CFFILE.
I have a client for whom CFFILE would  be perfect but I don't think that he
would go for paying substantially more for hosting than he is currently.

Gilbert Midonnet



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RE: The death of a session variable?

[Richard Crawford]

At 05:13 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>What the problem ended up to be was the servers that were having the 
>problems had been patched. As it turns out there was a security issue 
>(IIS) with domain names that had an underscore in them. The patch that was 
>provided by Microsoft simply disallowed a domain name with an underscore - 
>our dev and test server had underscores in the domain name. As soon as we 
>removed the underscore, our apparent session problems went away.

Mark,

Thanks for replying.

We're actually using Solaris/Apache in our setup, so this is not an issue. 

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RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Mark Stewart]

That doesn't sound feasible. However, I would still try changing the name for sh*** 
and giggles. I always look at the stupid crap first. Have you rebooted the services, 
IIS, the box itself? Nothing else comes to mind.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: What could possibly cause this??!


I use the name "method" all the time with IIS. And it worked on this server 
for years. Now, all of a sudden this is happening. I wonder if it could be 
some form of packet loss? Does that sound feasable?

Brook

At 05:01 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Have you tried renaming your field name? IIS may not like the word 
>"method". I don't know this for a fact, but it's worth a try.
>
>Mark
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:40 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
>Strange problem today:
>
>IIS 5.0 / Win2k
>
>I submit a form that has two fields, "username" and "method". On the
>subsequent page, the debugging output shows:
>
>-
>
>FORM FIELDS
>
> OD=act_retrievepass
>FIELDNAMES= OD,USERNAME
>USERNAME=xc
>
>-
>
>
>The "meth" is being stripped off of the "method" form field and I end up
>with an unusable formfield named "od". I can't reference it because the
>name starts with a space.
>
>This just started happening out of the blue! Any ideas? Anyone? I think I
>might re-install IIS next. BTW, if i save the metabase, can I restore it
>after I re-install IIS?
>
>Brook Davies
>
>
>
>

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RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Stephenie Hamilton]

I would cycle CF and IIS before doing any type of install.


~~
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Macromedia Certified ColdFusion Professional
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-Original Message-
From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 5:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!


I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint before 
-- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another 
browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server (reinstall 
ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to corruption in 
either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on another 
server temporarily to test. 

Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form variable 
using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why you'd 
want to. :) 

hth 

Isaac


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RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[s. isaac dealey]

I don't know if I'd lean too heavily in the direction of 
suspecting packet loss... I suspect packet loss would result 
in IIS returning an "internal server error" barf or something 
of that nature, rather than turning "meth" into ""... 
I could be wrong, just doesn't sound to me like a packet drop. 

Original Message ---
I use the name "method" all the time with IIS. And it worked on this server 
for years. Now, all of a sudden this is happening. I wonder if it could be 
some form of packet loss? Does that sound feasable?

Brook

At 05:01 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Have you tried renaming your field name? IIS may not like the word 
>"method". I don't know this for a fact, but it's worth a try.
>
>Mark
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:40 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
>Strange problem today:
>
>IIS 5.0 / Win2k
>
>I submit a form that has two fields, "username" and "method". On the
>subsequent page, the debugging output shows:
>
>-
>
>FORM FIELDS
>
> OD=act_retrievepass
>FIELDNAMES= OD,USERNAME
>USERNAME=xc
>
>-
>
>
>The "meth" is being stripped off of the "method" form field and I end up
>with an unusable formfield named "od". I can't reference it because the
>name starts with a space.
>
>This just started happening out of the blue! Any ideas? Anyone? I think I
>might re-install IIS next. BTW, if i save the metabase, can I restore it
>after I re-install IIS?
>
>Brook Davies
>
>
>
>

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RE: The death of a session variable?

[Mark Stewart]

Just a shot in the dark here...

We had a similar problem a few months ago with developers unable to log-in to our 
application, however, it was only with IE6. IE 5 and 5.5 were fine, as well as 
Netscape 6+. We went through all kinds of tests, but to no avail. It just seemed like 
IE6 was the problem. Another odd thing was that it was only on our dev and test 
servers, not production (same code across all three).

What the problem ended up to be was the servers that were having the problems had been 
patched. As it turns out there was a security issue (IIS) with domain names that had 
an underscore in them. The patch that was provided by Microsoft simply disallowed a 
domain name with an underscore - our dev and test server had underscores in the domain 
name. As soon as we removed the underscore, our apparent session problems went away. 

HTH,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: The death of a session variable?


This is an odd one.

We're running CFMX on top of JRun on a Solaris 9 server, all of the most 
recent patches, server upgrades, software updaters, etc., applied.  Our 
application makes heavy use of session variables to track our users.

Recently, we've discovered that if someone logs in to our website in IE, 
then goes ahead and clears out their cache and cookies while logged in, 
they will never again be able to log in to our website.  I'm pretty sure 
that this has something to do with the way that we use our session 
variables to track students, but I'm not sure.

I've tried looking at the error logs for Apache, for JRun, and for Cold 
Fusion but I can't find any error messages that seem related to this 
issue.  If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.

Richard


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RE: RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[s. isaac dealey]

I've seen IIS handle a "method" field without complaint before 
-- could be corruption in any of the browser (try another 
browser), IIS (reinstall IIS) or ColdFusion Server (reinstall 
ColdFusion Server). You can isolate the issue to corruption in 
either IIS or ColdFusion Server by putting the code on another 
server temporarily to test. 

Incidentally, you should be able to reference the form variable 
using this: #form["od"]# -- although I don't know why you'd 
want to. :) 

hth 

Isaac

Original Message ---
Have you tried renaming your field name? IIS may not like the word "method". I don't 
know this for a fact, but it's worth a try.

Mark


-Original Message-
From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: What could possibly cause this??!


Strange problem today:

IIS 5.0 / Win2k

I submit a form that has two fields, "username" and "method". On the 
subsequent page, the debugging output shows:

-

FORM FIELDS

OD=act_retrievepass
FIELDNAMES= OD,USERNAME
USERNAME=xc

-


The "meth" is being stripped off of the "method" form field and I end up 
with an unusable formfield named "od". I can't reference it because the 
name starts with a space.

This just started happening out of the blue! Any ideas? Anyone? I think I 
might re-install IIS next. BTW, if i save the metabase, can I restore it 
after I re-install IIS?

Brook Davies




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Re: The death of a session variable?

[Richard Crawford]

At 02:14 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Are you using a personal firewall. I recently upgraded to Zone Alarm pro
>for my workstation and it caused a lot of problems with cookies. Even when
>the cookie settings are disabled, I have problems with it being turned on -
>on some sites.

Brook,

Again, thanks for writing.

I've double-checked the settings on ZoneAlarm, but they seem to be in 
order.  Also, the site works perfectly with Mozilla and Firebird, so I'm 
pretty sure the firewall is not an issue.

Richard

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Re: The death of a session variable?

[Brook Davies]

http://www.w3.org/P3P/details.html

At 05:04 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Blocking of session cookies is _not_ default IE6. IE6 will block
>cookies if they are set by a third party by default, that's it.
>Creating a p3p policy file can allow bypass of this.
>
>--
>  jon
>  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Tuesday, July 29, 2003, 4:46:00 PM, you wrote:
>JB> Richard,
>
>JB> Is this happening in IE6? In this version, the default setting is to 
>block all session cookies, unless the website has a programatic privicy 
>policy or the user specifically adds the web domain to
>JB> the privicy list. In other words the session cookie is never set!
>
>JB> Keep in mind session cookies (CFID and CFTOKEN) are stored as a cookie 
>on the client's machine. The client uses this information to pull the 
>session variable.
>
>JB> So, this is not a Cold Fusion problem, but rather the way IE handles 
>cookies. The workaround (other than using client variables) is to attached 
>CFTOKEN and CFID into every URL and form-- this
>JB> will bypass this issue and provide Cold Fusion with a method to look 
>up session variables.
>
>JB> Jeremy Brodie
>
> >>Recently, we've discovered that if someone logs in to our website in IE,
> >>then goes ahead and clears out their cache and cookies while logged in,
> >>they will never again be able to log in to our website.  I'm pretty sure
> >>that this has something to do with the way that we use our session
> >>variables to track students, but I'm not sure.
>JB>
>
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RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Brook Davies]

I use the name "method" all the time with IIS. And it worked on this server 
for years. Now, all of a sudden this is happening. I wonder if it could be 
some form of packet loss? Does that sound feasable?

Brook

At 05:01 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Have you tried renaming your field name? IIS may not like the word 
>"method". I don't know this for a fact, but it's worth a try.
>
>Mark
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:40 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: What could possibly cause this??!
>
>
>Strange problem today:
>
>IIS 5.0 / Win2k
>
>I submit a form that has two fields, "username" and "method". On the
>subsequent page, the debugging output shows:
>
>-
>
>FORM FIELDS
>
> OD=act_retrievepass
>FIELDNAMES= OD,USERNAME
>USERNAME=xc
>
>-
>
>
>The "meth" is being stripped off of the "method" form field and I end up
>with an unusable formfield named "od". I can't reference it because the
>name starts with a space.
>
>This just started happening out of the blue! Any ideas? Anyone? I think I
>might re-install IIS next. BTW, if i save the metabase, can I restore it
>after I re-install IIS?
>
>Brook Davies
>
>
>
>
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Re: The death of a session variable?

[Brook Davies]

Are you using a personal firewall. I recently upgraded to Zone Alarm pro 
for my workstation and it caused a lot of problems with cookies. Even when 
the cookie settings are disabled, I have problems with it being turned on - 
on some sites.

Brook

At 01:59 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>At 01:57 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >Is there a way to detect if the Session Cookies are blocked and ask the
> >user to enable them?
> >
> >Brook
>
>Brook,
>
>Thanks for replying.
>
>Even on my own machine, where I've allowed session cookies to be set, I get
>the same problem.  This problem didn't even show up until one of our
>developers cleared out all cookies on their machine.
>
>
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COM Object With Return Variables. How do I get the return variables out of the object?

[Ezine]

I'm dealing with COM objects more and more lately..

Here's my problem..The Com object(objOnHand) has a method with
parameters that point to  variables which we would later be able to use in
Visual Basic..

VB Code Snippet
---
objOnHand.AuthorizeEx strAuthenticationcode, strErrorInfo, strIsApproved
---
This allows us to Use the variables strAuthenticationcode, strErrorInfo, and
strIsApproved
in any code following.


Malfunctioning Corresponding CF Snippet
---

  //Call the AuthorizeEX function
  hresult=objOnHand.AuthorizeEx("strAuthenticationcode", "strErrorInfo",
"strIsApproved");

---
The problem..  is I am unable to use the return variables as I doubt that
I'm passing them correctly.  The COM object executes..  with no return
variables.
Also, a cfdump of #hresult# yields an, Undefined variable error.

I was thinking that Hresult would be a collection that I can loop over for
the return values..  but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Any Ideas on how I can get these values out of the com's instance space?

-Zine

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Re: The death of a session variable?

[jon hall]

Blocking of session cookies is _not_ default IE6. IE6 will block
cookies if they are set by a third party by default, that's it.
Creating a p3p policy file can allow bypass of this.

-- 
 jon
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tuesday, July 29, 2003, 4:46:00 PM, you wrote:
JB> Richard,

JB> Is this happening in IE6? In this version, the default setting is to block all 
session cookies, unless the website has a programatic privicy policy or the user 
specifically adds the web domain to
JB> the privicy list. In other words the session cookie is never set!

JB> Keep in mind session cookies (CFID and CFTOKEN) are stored as a cookie on the 
client's machine. The client uses this information to pull the session variable. 

JB> So, this is not a Cold Fusion problem, but rather the way IE handles cookies. The 
workaround (other than using client variables) is to attached CFTOKEN and CFID into 
every URL and form-- this
JB> will bypass this issue and provide Cold Fusion with a method to look up session 
variables.

JB> Jeremy Brodie

>>Recently, we've discovered that if someone logs in to our website in IE, 
>>then goes ahead and clears out their cache and cookies while logged in, 
>>they will never again be able to log in to our website.  I'm pretty sure 
>>that this has something to do with the way that we use our session 
>>variables to track students, but I'm not sure.
JB> 
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RE: The death of a session variable?

[Barney Boisvert]

set one, and then on the next request see if it's there.  if it's not, then
prompt them to enable them.

barneyb

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> -Original Message-
> From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:58 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: The death of a session variable?
>
>
> Is there a way to detect if the Session Cookies are blocked and ask the
> user to enable them?
>
> Brook
>
> At 04:46 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> >Richard,
> >
> >Is this happening in IE6? In this version, the default setting
> is to block
> >all session cookies, unless the website has a programatic privicy policy
> >or the user specifically adds the web domain to the privicy
> list. In other
> >words the session cookie is never set!
> >
> >Keep in mind session cookies (CFID and CFTOKEN) are stored as a
> cookie on
> >the client's machine. The client uses this information to pull
> the session
> >variable.
> >
> >So, this is not a Cold Fusion problem, but rather the way IE handles
> >cookies. The workaround (other than using client variables) is
> to attached
> >CFTOKEN and CFID into every URL and form-- this will bypass this
> issue and
> >provide Cold Fusion with a method to look up session variables.
> >
> >Jeremy Brodie
> >
> > >Recently, we've discovered that if someone logs in to our
> website in IE,
> > >then goes ahead and clears out their cache and cookies while logged in,
> > >they will never again be able to log in to our website.  I'm
> pretty sure
> > >that this has something to do with the way that we use our session
> > >variables to track students, but I'm not sure.
> >
> 
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Re: The death of a session variable?

[Richard Crawford]

At 01:57 PM 7/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Is there a way to detect if the Session Cookies are blocked and ask the
>user to enable them?
>
>Brook

Brook,

Thanks for replying.

Even on my own machine, where I've allowed session cookies to be set, I get 
the same problem.  This problem didn't even show up until one of our 
developers cleared out all cookies on their machine.  

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RE: What could possibly cause this??!

[Mark Stewart]

Have you tried renaming your field name? IIS may not like the word "method". I don't 
know this for a fact, but it's worth a try.

Mark


-Original Message-
From: Brook Davies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: What could possibly cause this??!


Strange problem today:

IIS 5.0 / Win2k

I submit a form that has two fields, "username" and "method". On the 
subsequent page, the debugging output shows:

-

FORM FIELDS

OD=act_retrievepass
FIELDNAMES= OD,USERNAME
USERNAME=xc

-


The "meth" is being stripped off of the "method" form field and I end up 
with an unusable formfield named "od". I can't reference it because the 
name starts with a space.

This just started happening out of the blue! Any ideas? Anyone? I think I 
might re-install IIS next. BTW, if i save the metabase, can I restore it 
after I re-install IIS?

Brook Davies



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Re: The death of a session variable?

[Richard Crawford]

Jeremy,

Thanks for writing back, I really appreciate it.

We are indeed using IE6; however, I don't believe that this is the 
problem.  I cleared out all cookies and temporary files, then made sure the 
"allow session cookies" checkbox was checked.  I got the same problem.  I 
also have the system set to prompt me whenever the application requests the 
setting of a cookie, and I explicitly allow each cookie to be set by our 
website.

Also, this problem didn't show up *until* a user's cookies were deleted in 
the first place.  Prior to that, the site was working just fine.


At 04:46 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Richard,
>
>Is this happening in IE6? In this version, the default setting is to block 
>all session cookies, unless the website has a programatic privicy policy 
>or the user specifically adds the web domain to the privicy list. In other 
>words the session cookie is never set!
>
>Keep in mind session cookies (CFID and CFTOKEN) are stored as a cookie on 
>the client's machine. The client uses this information to pull the session 
>variable.
>
>So, this is not a Cold Fusion problem, but rather the way IE handles 
>cookies. The workaround (other than using client variables) is to attached 
>CFTOKEN and CFID into every URL and form-- this will bypass this issue and 
>provide Cold Fusion with a method to look up session variables.
>
>Jeremy Brodie

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Re: The death of a session variable?

[Brook Davies]

Is there a way to detect if the Session Cookies are blocked and ask the 
user to enable them?

Brook

At 04:46 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, you wrote:
>Richard,
>
>Is this happening in IE6? In this version, the default setting is to block 
>all session cookies, unless the website has a programatic privicy policy 
>or the user specifically adds the web domain to the privicy list. In other 
>words the session cookie is never set!
>
>Keep in mind session cookies (CFID and CFTOKEN) are stored as a cookie on 
>the client's machine. The client uses this information to pull the session 
>variable.
>
>So, this is not a Cold Fusion problem, but rather the way IE handles 
>cookies. The workaround (other than using client variables) is to attached 
>CFTOKEN and CFID into every URL and form-- this will bypass this issue and 
>provide Cold Fusion with a method to look up session variables.
>
>Jeremy Brodie
>
> >Recently, we've discovered that if someone logs in to our website in IE,
> >then goes ahead and clears out their cache and cookies while logged in,
> >they will never again be able to log in to our website.  I'm pretty sure
> >that this has something to do with the way that we use our session
> >variables to track students, but I'm not sure.
>
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The death of a session variable?

[Jeremy Brodie]

Richard,

Is this happening in IE6? In this version, the default setting is to block all session 
cookies, unless the website has a programatic privicy policy or the user specifically 
adds the web domain to the privicy list. In other words the session cookie is never 
set!

Keep in mind session cookies (CFID and CFTOKEN) are stored as a cookie on the client's 
machine. The client uses this information to pull the session variable. 

So, this is not a Cold Fusion problem, but rather the way IE handles cookies. The 
workaround (other than using client variables) is to attached CFTOKEN and CFID into 
every URL and form-- this will bypass this issue and provide Cold Fusion with a method 
to look up session variables.

Jeremy Brodie

>Recently, we've discovered that if someone logs in to our website in IE, 
>then goes ahead and clears out their cache and cookies while logged in, 
>they will never again be able to log in to our website.  I'm pretty sure 
>that this has something to do with the way that we use our session 
>variables to track students, but I'm not sure.
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Re: cffunction returntype="string"

[S. Isaac Dealey]

--- "Darron J. Schall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can someone tell me why this happens... am I on crack, or is this a
> CFMX bug?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> "#test()#" 
> 
> "#a#" 
> 
> Why is there a leading space when I just output test(), but no
> leading space if I assign the result to a variable and output the
> variable?  Additionally...
> 
> "#trim(test())#"
> 
> ...STILL produces a leading space.
> 
> Thoughts?

This happens because of the output attribute in  which
according to the documentation is only supposed to have any bearing
within a cfc, however, the documentation isn't or wasn't correct.
Output allows the function to work the same way a custom tag does --
you can output stuff in the middle of the function without having to
use writeoutput() and since white space is included in that, then white
space is generated when the function is executed and it's displayed
immediately prior to where the function's result is assigned (the way
writeoutput() content would be displayed from a cfscript declared
function). This means if you're assigning it in a cfset tag the white
space occurs just prior to the next tag after that cfset tag, however,
if you're spitting it out in cfoutput the white space occurs just prior
to the display of your variable... 

Personally I think the output attribute was a bad idea all together --
it confused me at first as well and then when I realized what was going
on, I realized why there's all the contention with people saying "you
shouldn't output content directly within a cfc function" or "why not?"
... I agree -- you shouldn't ouptut content directly within a function
either... a function should be a function just like in any other
language -- filter multiple inputs to produce a single output.
output="true" (unfortunately the default) only encourages spaghetti
code. And to me it's aggravating to be forced to add output="false" for
no good reason every time I write out a function declaration, though I
still write them in cfscript to be CF5 compatible whenever possible. 



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Re: Session timeouts too early

[Peter Theobald]

Here is my understanding of how Coldfusion implements session tracking and session 
variables. Please correct me if I am wrong.

When a user goes to any Coldfusion page, if the Cookies or URL variables CFID and 
CFTOKEN do NOT exist, then this is a new session. A CFID and CFTOKEN are generated and 
saved to the user's browser and in the variables Cookie.CFID and Cookie.CFTOKEN. The 
pair is also stored somewhere (where?) for tracking the session on subsequent 
requests. A new empty Session structure is created for this session (in RAM).

If a user goes to a Coldfusion page and the Cookies or URL variables CFID and CFTOKEN 
already exist, then this is a returning user. The CFID and CFTOKEN are looked up 
somewhere (where?). If they do not match then this is a hacking attempt or a stale URL 
and they are thrown out. If they match, but the session has timed out then they are 
also thrown out and a new empty Session structure is created in RAM, I am not sure if 
a new different CFID and CFTOKEN are generated or the old one is reused.
If the CFID and CFTOKEN matched and the session has NOT timed out, then the matching 
Session variables are loaded into the Session structure for the current request to 
have access to the Session.

On each page any changes made to the Session variables are saved in RAM with the 
Session keyed by the CFID and CFTOKEN. Also on each page, the current session "last 
time accessed" is updated for the purposes of timing out the session.

So, my question is: how do I access these "invisible" data structures?
Can I list all of the current sessions (ie: all of the current valid CFID/CFTOKEN 
pairs, and their data structures)?
Can I see the "last time access" of a session? Of course the "last time accessed" of 
the current session is, by definition, always right now.

Somehow I need to figure out WHY sessions are disappearing!

-Peter

At 12:46 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, Peter Theobald wrote:
>I am having a problem with Coldfusion sessions timing out too early.
>The session timeout in the cfapplication is set to 2 hours.
>The CF Administrator is set to a default of 20 minutes and a maximum of 2 hours.
>
>Users randomly get timed out in as little as 15 minutes or as much as the full 2 
>hours. These timeouts are 15 minutes FROM WHEN THE SESSION STARTED, not 15 minutes of 
>idle time since the last page load.
>The user can be clicking like crazy and BAM the session is gone.
>
>I set my browser to 'prompt' all cookies, and I am getting a CFID and CFTOKEN with an 
>expiration date many years in the future. When I close my browser, they get written 
>to cookies.txt so I don't think there is a problem with the CFID/CFTOKEN session 
>tracking cookies.
>
>For some reason the Coldfusion server (CF5) is expiring the session or forgetting it.
>This is on a shared server, so I suspected the server was being reset. But I tested 
>four computers running sessions and they timed out at different times. If the server 
>was being reset they would have all lost their sessions at the same time.
>
>Is there any way I can view the current in-memory database of CFID/CFTOKEN sessions?
>Can I write code to dump the values to a page so I can see what is really going on?
>(please don't say to view the #session# structure because when the session times out 
>the #session# structure is lost completely.)
>
>
>-Peter
>
>
>
>
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What could possibly cause this??!

[Brook Davies]

Strange problem today:

IIS 5.0 / Win2k

I submit a form that has two fields, "username" and "method". On the 
subsequent page, the debugging output shows:

-

FORM FIELDS

OD=act_retrievepass
FIELDNAMES= OD,USERNAME
USERNAME=xc

-


The "meth" is being stripped off of the "method" form field and I end up 
with an unusable formfield named "od". I can't reference it because the 
name starts with a space.

This just started happening out of the blue! Any ideas? Anyone? I think I 
might re-install IIS next. BTW, if i save the metabase, can I restore it 
after I re-install IIS?

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RE: OT - IIS in 2000

[Dan Phillips \(CFXHosting.com\)]

The exe is located at System32\Inetsrv\iis.msc
Or 

Right Click on My Computer and choose Manage. Expand the Services and
Applications tree and you will see IIS there. 

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-Original Message-
From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT - IIS in 2000


Hello,

Sorry this is OT, but its quick: I upgraded form NT 4.0 to Advanced
Server 2000 and now IIS's Internet Service Mgr does not list in the
Program list under Start. In order to get to it I have to go to
Configure Your Server and then click Web/Media Server to access it.

Anyone run into this? Have I configured something wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Robert O.
HWW

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RE: OT - IIS in 2000

[Stephenie Hamilton]

It should be under start --> programs --> administrator tools.


~~
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-Original Message-
From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT - IIS in 2000


Hello,

Sorry this is OT, but its quick: I upgraded form NT 4.0 to Advanced
Server 2000 and now IIS's Internet Service Mgr does not list in the
Program list under Start. In order to get to it I have to go to
Configure Your Server and then click Web/Media Server to access it.

Anyone run into this? Have I configured something wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Robert O.
HWW

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RE: OT - IIS in 2000

[webmaster]

Is it not under Administrative Tools (off the programs list) 


Regards,

Eric
Datastream Connexion


-Original Message-
From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:10 PM
To: CF-Talk

Hello,

Sorry this is OT, but its quick: I upgraded form NT 4.0 to Advanced Server
2000 and now IIS's Internet Service Mgr does not list in the Program list
under Start. In order to get to it I have to go to Configure Your Server and
then click Web/Media Server to access it.

Anyone run into this? Have I configured something wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Robert O.
HWW

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RE: OT - IIS in 2000

[Tony Weeg]

start, control panel, administrative tools, iis should be there...not
sure of the exact name...

tony weeg
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-Original Message-
From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:10 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT - IIS in 2000


Hello,

Sorry this is OT, but its quick: I upgraded form NT 4.0 to Advanced
Server 2000 and now IIS's Internet Service Mgr does not list in the
Program list under Start. In order to get to it I have to go to
Configure Your Server and then click Web/Media Server to access it.

Anyone run into this? Have I configured something wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Robert O.
HWW

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RE: setting sql isolation levels within cfquery

[Costas Piliotis]

If in doubt, you can use lock hints instead:

SELECT * FROM mytable (nolock) 

UPDATE mytable WITH (rowlock) set field = value

Etc...  In cfquery blocks it may be safer than isolation level statements...


-Original Message-
From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:57 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: setting sql isolation levels within cfquery


  When setting the an isolation level on a transaction within a
  cfquery block affect future queries on the same connection? This
  page seems a bit contradictory on the subject.
 
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/tsqlref/ts_
set-set_74bw.asp

  If so, should I just reset the isolation level to REPEATABLE READ at
  the end of the query? Any potential downsides to this?


SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL SERIALIZABLE
BEGIN TRANSACTION
SELECT * FROM ...
COMMIT TRANSACTION
SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL REPEATABLE READ


The thing I want to avoid is having a connection in the connection pool
stuck on SERIALIZABLE...
-- 
 jon
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: re: Mach-II

[S. Isaac Dealey]

Yep... I wasn't really in touch with where you folks were in that
process (finishing the beta, getting documentation done, etc.)... I
wasn't griping -- I had just noticed several people point to
http://beta.fusebox.org and had the impression that this response was
roughly equivalent of: 

Q. Can you explain relativity to me? 
A. Relativity is relative. 

:)

I'll admit that until I read something specifically about converting
mach-ii apps to other languages my basic reaction to the addition and
application of the xml was to think it was gratuitous -- i.e. xml for
the sake of xml instead of xml for the sake of meeting a goal. Though
in retrospect it makes sense if you're trying to create an architecture
that makes it easier to port applications to disparate languages. 

Isaac

--- Hal Helms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hopefully, by the time we launch Mach-II, we'll have time to write a
> much more accessible guide. Without some sample code to work with,
> we're
> left with speaking in abstractions that, while true, are not real
> helpful as far as providing specifics.
> 
> Hal Helms
> "Java for CF Programmers" class 
> in Las Vegas, August 18-22
> www.halhelms.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: s. isaac dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Re: Mach II
> 
> 
> I think the general idea was that he found the info on that site
> confusing -- which is why he was asking for an "idiot's guide"... I
> don't find it surprising... the verbiage is rather weighty... For
> instance: 
> 
> This headline: Event-Based, Implicit Invocation Architecture 
> on this page:
> http://beta.fusebox.org/index.cfm?method=FuseboxMX.basicConcepts
> 
> Note that the method is labelled "basicConcepts" ... but the verbiage
> isn't very basic... I think the average new person attacking that
> site
> is probably looking for something much more accessible...
> Unfortunately
> I don't have any good alternative verbiage off the top of my head. 
> 


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OT - IIS in 2000

[Robert Orlini]

Hello,

Sorry this is OT, but its quick: I upgraded form NT 4.0 to Advanced Server 2000 and 
now IIS's Internet Service Mgr does not list in the Program list under Start. In order 
to get to it I have to go to Configure Your Server and then click Web/Media Server to 
access it.

Anyone run into this? Have I configured something wrong?

Thanks in advance.

Robert O.
HWW
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RE: setting sql isolation levels within cfquery

[Barney Boisvert]

If TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL is a connection/session level variable, then
you'll have to reset it to REPEATABLE READ after you use it, because the DB
server doesn't have any knowledge about individual page requests that CF
processes.  Resetting it after the query doens't have any downside other
than the extra typing and the possibility that you might forget.


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> -Original Message-
> From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:57 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: setting sql isolation levels within cfquery
>
>
>   When setting the an isolation level on a transaction within a
>   cfquery block affect future queries on the same connection? This
>   page seems a bit contradictory on the subject.
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/t
> sqlref/ts_set-set_74bw.asp
>
>   If so, should I just reset the isolation level to REPEATABLE READ at
>   the end of the query? Any potential downsides to this?
>
> 
> SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL SERIALIZABLE
> BEGIN TRANSACTION
> SELECT * FROM ...
> COMMIT TRANSACTION
> SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL REPEATABLE READ
> 
>
> The thing I want to avoid is having a connection in the connection
> pool stuck on SERIALIZABLE...
> --
>  jon
>   mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> 
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setting sql isolation levels within cfquery

[jon hall]

  When setting the an isolation level on a transaction within a
  cfquery block affect future queries on the same connection? This
  page seems a bit contradictory on the subject.
  
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/tsqlref/ts_set-set_74bw.asp

  If so, should I just reset the isolation level to REPEATABLE READ at
  the end of the query? Any potential downsides to this?


SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL SERIALIZABLE
BEGIN TRANSACTION
SELECT * FROM ...
COMMIT TRANSACTION
SET TRANSACTION ISOLATION LEVEL REPEATABLE READ


The thing I want to avoid is having a connection in the connection
pool stuck on SERIALIZABLE...
-- 
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  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: Session timeouts too early

[Peter Theobald]

I doubt this is what is affecting me. I have tested this by establishing a session on 
my web site from four separate computers and hitting reload every 30 minutes. My 
session is timed out at different times on each computer.

At 12:55 PM 7/29/2003 -0400, Dave Sueltenfuss wrote:
>Peter,
>
>I have found that If the user accesses another Application of the same
>server, they get logged out of the current application they are in. I'm
>not sure if this helps or not
>
>Dave
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Peter Theobald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:46 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Session timeouts too early
>
>
>I am having a problem with Coldfusion sessions timing out too early. The
>session timeout in the cfapplication is set to 2 hours. The CF
>Administrator is set to a default of 20 minutes and a maximum of 2
>hours.
>
>Users randomly get timed out in as little as 15 minutes or as much as
>the full 2 hours. These timeouts are 15 minutes FROM WHEN THE SESSION
>STARTED, not 15 minutes of idle time since the last page load. The user
>can be clicking like crazy and BAM the session is gone.
>
>I set my browser to 'prompt' all cookies, and I am getting a CFID and
>CFTOKEN with an expiration date many years in the future. When I close
>my browser, they get written to cookies.txt so I don't think there is a
>problem with the CFID/CFTOKEN session tracking cookies.
>
>For some reason the Coldfusion server (CF5) is expiring the session or
>forgetting it. This is on a shared server, so I suspected the server was
>being reset. But I tested four computers running sessions and they timed
>out at different times. If the server was being reset they would have
>all lost their sessions at the same time.
>
>Is there any way I can view the current in-memory database of
>CFID/CFTOKEN sessions? Can I write code to dump the values to a page so
>I can see what is really going on? (please don't say to view the
>#session# structure because when the session times out the #session#
>structure is lost completely.)
>
>
>-Peter
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: cffunction returntype="string"

[Raymond Camden]

Both return a space, you just don't see the second space becuase you
assign the result to a variable. Actually, this is what happens:

You call test()
A space is generated
A string is returned and saved to A
You output A.

So the space is just moved.

To fix this issue, just add output=false to your cffunction tag.


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> -Original Message-
> From: Darron J. Schall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: cffunction returntype="string"
> 
> 
> Can someone tell me why this happens... am I on crack, or is 
> this a CFMX bug?
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> "#test()#"  
>  "#a#" 
> 
> Why is there a leading space when I just output test(), but 
> no leading space if I assign the result to a variable and 
> output the variable?  Additionally...
> 
> "#trim(test())#"
> 
> ...STILL produces a leading space.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> -d
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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cffunction returntype="string"

[Darron J. Schall]

Can someone tell me why this happens... am I on crack, or is this a CFMX bug?


 


"#test()#" 

"#a#" 

Why is there a leading space when I just output test(), but no leading space if I 
assign the result to a variable and output the variable?  Additionally...

"#trim(test())#"

...STILL produces a leading space.

Thoughts?

-d




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Re: CF 5 Install Issues

[Michael T. Tangorre]

IIS 5



- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: FW: CF 5 Install Issues


> Give me what version IIS, I can try to help, had it happen to me...
>
> Eric
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:44 AM
> To: CF-Talk
>
> Had MX installed locally.. removed it. Removed the CFusionMX folder from =
> c:\ as well.
> Rebooted...
> Installed CF 5 locally
>
> Services started ok.
> No CFM pages will come up including the administrator.
>
> I think I need to tweak IIS.. any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>
> 
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Re: Select distinct on two fields?

[Michael T. Tangorre]

Run this against the Northwind database that comes with SQL Server or modify
it to fit your needs..

SELECT
 C1.CategoryName AS CATEGORY,
 Count(C2.ProductID) AS 'TOTAL IN CATEGORY'
FROM
 Categories C1, Products C2
WHERE
 C1.CategoryID = C2.CategoryID
GROUP BY
 C1.CategoryName

Mike


- Original Message - 
From: "Les Mizzell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 3:08 PM
Subject: Select distinct on two fields?


> Actually a reposting/rephrase of an earlier question...
> I'm still trying to count categories..
>
>
> For each distinct instance of column A, how many distinct instances of
> column B are there...
>
> Should I use a compound query (not legal SQL):
>
> Select DISTINCT Column_A from TABLE_A
>Select DISTINCT Column_B from TABLE_A
>
> ...or a loop
>
> Query_A gets the distinct Column A records, and then:
>
> 
>
>  Select DISTINCT column_B
>  WHERE column_A = "#Query_A.column_A">
>
>
> ...cfset record count here for each
>
> 
>
>
> ...or is there a much better way to handle something like this?
>
> 
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Select distinct on two fields?

[Les Mizzell]

Actually a reposting/rephrase of an earlier question...
I'm still trying to count categories..


For each distinct instance of column A, how many distinct instances of
column B are there...

Should I use a compound query (not legal SQL):

Select DISTINCT Column_A from TABLE_A
   Select DISTINCT Column_B from TABLE_A

...or a loop

Query_A gets the distinct Column A records, and then:


   
 Select DISTINCT column_B
 WHERE column_A = "#Query_A.column_A">
   

...cfset record count here for each




...or is there a much better way to handle something like this?

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FW: CF 5 Install Issues

[webmaster]

Give me what version IIS, I can try to help, had it happen to me...
 
Eric


-Original Message-
From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 11:44 AM
To: CF-Talk

Had MX installed locally.. removed it. Removed the CFusionMX folder from =
c:\ as well.
Rebooted...
Installed CF 5 locally

Services started ok.
No CFM pages will come up including the administrator.

I think I need to tweak IIS.. any ideas?

Thanks,

Mike


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Passing

[Bushy]

Hi,

I have the following line.



When this button is clicked I want to pass the value of the button to another template 
in another frame. 
Whats the correct syntax? Do I have to create a session or cokkie?




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Re: Session Variables Breaking in IE (REPOST)

[Richard Crawford]

Just a repost of my question.

Further notes: this only happens in IE, and only if a user clears their 
cache and their cookies while logged in to the session.  Any attempt to log 
in to the website after doing that fails with the error message that I've 
listed below, which I am at a loss to interpret.

Any suggestions at all, no matter how trivial, would be welcome.

Thanks!


At 09:48 AM 7/29/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Related to my earlier problem, where sessions seem to bust completely if
>the user clears their cache and all of their cookies while logged in to our
>site.
>
>I've gotten this error:
>
>
>Parameter 1 of function IsDefined, which is now
>"session.applicationSE2018d699256ad75a766-AB200671-BABB-F493-AA9D173CA2BC5D9F",
> 
>
>must be a syntactically valid variable name.
>
>I'm afraid that I have no idea to how interpret this error or how to fix
>it.  I think that what's happening is that IE still "hangs on" to some
>session value somewhere that can't be cleared, but I don't know for sure.
>
>I've thought about deleting the cfclasses cache under my JRun directory,
>but I don't know if this will be safe; I've messed things up with that
>tactic before.

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RE: DRK4 - pollster

[Raymond Camden]

All I did was switch the cfheader stuff to:



and logon.cfm was simply:


Username 
Password 



FYI, Pollster (despite this little IIS hiccup) is _darn_ nice. I plan on
adding it to my blog soon. Just remember to change the default password
folks.


===
Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc
(www.mindseye.com)
Member of Team Macromedia (http://www.macromedia.com/go/teammacromedia)

Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yahoo IM : morpheus

"My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda 

> -Original Message-
> From: Nathan Mische [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:12 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: DRK4 - pollster
> 
> 
> Do you have authenticated access enabled on the pollster 
> directory? I ran into a similar problem because I have 
> integrated Windows authentication enabled on my development 
> server and that was causing a problem with the . The 
> cflogin structure was being populated with my credentials, 
> needed to access the secured directory, rather than the 
> macromedia/pollster username and password the  tag 
> expects. I had to enable anonymous access on the pollster 
> directory to get the login to work. I'm guessing you could 
> also modify the cflogin code to get it to work with your 
> login credentials, but I didn't bother to try that out...
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Nathan
> 
> 

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RE: DRK4 - pollster

[Nathan Mische]

Do you have authenticated access enabled on the pollster directory? I
ran into a similar problem because I have integrated Windows
authentication enabled on my development server and that was causing a
problem with the . The cflogin structure was being populated
with my credentials, needed to access the secured directory, rather than
the macromedia/pollster username and password the  tag expects.
I had to enable anonymous access on the pollster directory to get the
login to work. I'm guessing you could also modify the cflogin code to
get it to work with your login credentials, but I didn't bother to try
that out...

HTH,

Nathan


 

> -Original Message-
> From: Critz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 12:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: DRK4 - pollster
> 
> 
> oi Mike!!
> 
> ie/win2k/iis
> 
> the  path  is  correct,  but  I don't think it even gets to 
> any point where it is using the FR, it's stuck in the login 
> section
> 
> 
> crit
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tuesday, July 29, 2003, 10:25:34 AM, you wrote:
> 
> MC> - Original Message -
> MC> From: "Critz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> >>   server 2: installed files. went to login to admin, but 
> everytime I 
> >> login
> MC> to the challenge/response
> >>   dialogit just keeps popping up like i have entered the wrong
> MC> info. any ideas?
> 
> 
> MC> What browser / OS are you using?
> 
> MC> Make sure that you use an absolute path to specify the Flash 
> MC> Remoting gateway (which is set in the Application.cfm) file.
> 
> MC> Does that help?
> 
> MC> mike chambers
> 
> MC> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> MC> 
> 
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RE: Mach II

[Bryan Love]

I totally agree with you regarding FuseBox 3, but the older FuseBox
architectures were simpler and far more easy to learn/understand/implement.
I've written many apps using FB2-ish architecture and they absolutely fly
when it comes to performance and I've gotten a lot of positive feedback from
developers modifying the code and zero bad feedback.  Consider using FB, but
don't let it get out of control like FB3 did.

-Original Message-
From: Alexander Sherwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 10:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Mach II


At 06:25 PM 7/29/2003 +0100, you wrote:

>I had a  quick look at the example too. It seems like machII is really
>adding a lifecycle to cfcs??  Am I wrong?
>
>
>WG


I always thought that Fusebox was a little too much. It was a little 
overkill for most CF apps, and it often confused developers and shyed them 
right back into spaghetti code.

I like Mach-II, though.

I've built my own framework (s) over the year, but with the advent of CFCs, 
something like Mach-II, which uses XML files to "link" components and 
"events" together is a damned good approach. It's very clean and easy to 
follow once you understand the underlying components that handle 
interactions. The fact that it's built on the MVC methodology is the single 
most compelling reason to experiment with it. Typical CF code has all kinds 
of code wrapped in a single template, and MVC (when followed properly) 
makes, as Hal stresses every chance he gets, code much more maintainable 
and reusable.

Looking forward to learning more about Mach-II.


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RE: Mach II

[Alexander Sherwood]

At 06:25 PM 7/29/2003 +0100, you wrote:

>I had a  quick look at the example too. It seems like machII is really
>adding a lifecycle to cfcs??  Am I wrong?
>
>
>WG


I always thought that Fusebox was a little too much. It was a little 
overkill for most CF apps, and it often confused developers and shyed them 
right back into spaghetti code.

I like Mach-II, though.

I've built my own framework (s) over the year, but with the advent of CFCs, 
something like Mach-II, which uses XML files to "link" components and 
"events" together is a damned good approach. It's very clean and easy to 
follow once you understand the underlying components that handle 
interactions. The fact that it's built on the MVC methodology is the single 
most compelling reason to experiment with it. Typical CF code has all kinds 
of code wrapped in a single template, and MVC (when followed properly) 
makes, as Hal stresses every chance he gets, code much more maintainable 
and reusable.

Looking forward to learning more about Mach-II.


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PHS Collection Agency
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