framework comparisons - final article

2003-12-17 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
I crammed and I posted the final article in my series of framework
comparisons earlier than I expected.

http://www.turnkey.to/ontap/docs/index.cfm?netaction=articles

Enjoy!

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Re: BabelFish down ?

2003-12-17 Thread Paul Hastings
my first reaction to machine translators (MT) is usually "bah humbug".

> Question. Does anyone know of a similar service that
> is free or fee based ? I really need this functionality at my company.

not wishing to encourage this, but i blogged about MT back in june. there's
a list of MT offerings in that entry ("machine translations? bah humbug")
that might be of help:
http://cfg11n.blogspot.com/2003_06_01_cfg11n_archive.html
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Paul Hastings
> i been using josh dura's flash one
> http://www.joshdura.com/archives/000163.php

it didn't handle unicode last time i looked. most all of the html based ones
do though.
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Re: Best Practices

2003-12-17 Thread Paul Hastings
> I think Sun took a good look at gettext when they made their
> resourcebundles.

really? i would have thought java was there first or is this a perl
original?

> How hard can it be? It is not fundamentally different from using
> ResourceBundles.

sure but the concept of maintaining webpages across so many different
(computer) languages would give me a headache.

> application it is very usefull that partially translated
> languages don't crash and burn ;-)

thats where the rb tools come in handy.

> Maybe not so much the editing as being able to read it.

they're completely readable in the rb tool, but popping open notepad is
pretty convienient.
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RE: Windows 2003 Web Edition & ColdFusion

2003-12-17 Thread Dave Watts
> I have some old NT4 machines running CF4.5 that we plan to upgrade 
> to a newer version of windows, but need to make sure that CF4.5 
> actually works on 'em... I have searched google all day for this 
> one, but unfortunately have not been able to find an answer. Does 
> anyone here know whether or not Cold Fusion 4.5 works (and is allowed 
> to run) on Windows 2003 Web Edition?
>
> If the Web Edition does -not- work in this case, and idea which 
> windows version would? Win2003 Standard Server? Win2000 Advanced 
> Server? 

You won't be able to install CF 4.5.x and have it work with the version of
IIS that comes with Windows Server 2003. You may be able to select "Other
Server" during the CF install when it asks you what web server you're
running. You may also be able to get the CF installer to think that you have
IIS 5 instead of IIS 6 - I remember reading about doing something like that
with CF 5 (you might search for CF 5 and W2K3, instead of searching for CF
4.5.x).

It doesn't matter which version of Windows Server 2003 you use, though -
they're all the same as far as installing CF. You will be able to install CF
4.5.x on any version of Windows 2000, if that's acceptable to you.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
phone: 202-797-5496
fax: 202-797-5444

-Original Message-
From: Marc van den Dikkenberg
To: CF-Talk
Sent: 12/17/2003 8:11 PM
Subject: Windows 2003 Web Edition & ColdFusion

Hi All,

Any pointers will be much appreciated.

--
Marc van den Dikkenberg
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Rick Root
Barney Boisvert wrote:

> I generally take the approach that in IE6 (about 90% of our market), sites
> should kick ass.  In IE5.0, Mozilla and Safari (about 9%) it should be fully
> functional, attractive, and easy to use, but not necessarily posessing _all_
> the bells and whistles.  For NS4 and everyone else, it should be functional,
> and no more.  Same goes for CSS and JS.  Functional with out them, but if
> it's ugly hard to use, that's perfectly acceptable.

I would agree mostly with this though I don't really concern myself with 
the tiny TINY percentage of paranoid people who turn _javascript_ and 
cookies off.

I don't go out of my way to support Netscape 4 either, for that matter. 
  I just thought it was cool that the DHTML Menu Builder app actually 
makes DHTML menus that WORK in NS 4 =)

> And to tie back to the original topic of conversation, that means showing
> NS4 users a textarea full of HTML is perfectly legit, while the IE6 users
> get soEditor.

Granted.. my two CMS solutions both use the non-beta version of htmlArea 
so if they're using IE 5.5+ for Windows, they get it,  But I am looking 
forward to being able to tell my Mac-friendly customers that they don't 
have to switch computers anymore to edit their sites. =)

Someone else suggested that they don't design for Netscape.  That's 
fine, neither do I.  But I don't design for IE either.  Hell, I'm a 
programmer... I do mostly backend stuff anyway.  My typical designs look 
something like http://fans.bobguiney.com/ =)

In my department at Duke, we're gonna solve some of the 
browser-compatibility issues by building web apps in Flash MX 2004 Pro 
(thank you, MAX conference!)

  - Rick
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RE: Training ColdFusion "newbies"

2003-12-17 Thread Rick Faircloth
Hi, Peter...

Know of a tutorial online that could teach me how to do this part?

"building a search engine that highlights keywords of their search result
anywhere in
 the search results. They even decided to change the "highlight" to BOLD
text
 with a yellow background."

Rick

  -Original Message-
  From: Peter Tilbrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:38 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Training ColdFusion "newbies"

  Hey there fellow developers!

  I've just completed a three day "crash course" for training total
ColdFusion
  newbies in the art of what we all know and love - CFML. Squeezing in eight
  years of CF experience in three days, making it interesting, making it
fun,
  is quite tough.

  The two 'victims' were Centrelink (www.centrelink.gov.au) employees
(26,000
  employees Australia wide - pretty big) who had no web application
  development experience - at all - but at least knew about HTML (thank you
  lord). They were more the Visual Basic types - but very smart.

  1. Pretty much on day one I walked them through what ColdFusion is, where
it
  came from, the long path travelled, where it is headed, why the hell am I
  still using it, etc. They will be stuck on CF5 for a while so it was hard
  not to spurt the virtues of just how good MM made CF with RedSky.

  2. Day two was probably more boring as there was a less "hands-on"
approach
  as I tried to explain key issues like application security, code
  optimisation, coding practices, FuseBox (example) as a framework, state
  management, etc. Now these guys never really had to worry about "state
  management" so it was a challenge. The discussion of "race conditions" was
  interesting to say the least.

  I was hoarse by the end of the day at any rate.

  3. Day three I decided to make it more interesting by declaring "I will
not
  write a single line of code". You will - but I will sit by your right and
  explaing what to write, why you are writing it, and how it works - and
brag
  about "yes CFML is easy to pick up given time".

  On this day my two "newbies" added to the application* I built on day
one -
  some cool features like creating a "register new user" which included
input
  validation (email address is valid etc), dynamically creating MSSQL 2000
  database tables, sending email in CF (easy peasy with MX) and building a
  search engine that highlights keywords of their search result anywhere in
  the search results. They even decided to change the "highlight" to BOLD
text
  with a yellow background.

  >>Whew!

  It was tough as I had never had to train anyone before. ColdFusion - being
  such an accessible language - made it easier. Thank god they are still on
  CF5 so I did not need to go into web services or ColdFusion Component -
but
  they were mentioned. UDF's however got a special mention as noone at
  Centrelink seems to have... Nope. I will not be critical.

  I really like CF and it was great to introduce another two into it's
  intoxicating world. With a few more tweaks (and more computers than my own
  which I had to drag in from home) I could be on a roll.

  I'd also like to mention that CF-Talk got a special mention (as did House
of
  Fusion itself), Ben Forta "What, did he write this book too?" (yep! he
sure
  did - here are a few (4.5+) I no longer need), Dave Watts - from FigLeaf -
  not Dr David Watts who will be appearing at MXDU 2004 (www.mxdu.com) and
  Charlie Arehart (New Atlanta) for Blue Dragon.

  Any tips for the next round of training in January would be appreciated!

  Merry Christmas!

  (basically a web application for storing and retrieving favorites or
  bookmarks long forgotten with full text search)

  Peter Tilbrook
  ColdFusion Applications Developer
  ColdGen Internet Solutions
  Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group - http://www.actcfug.com
  4/73 Tharwa Road
  Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
  AUSTRALIA

  Telephone: +61-2-6284-2727
  Mobile: +61-0439-401-823
  E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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PayFlowPro Install Problem

2003-12-17 Thread Eric Hoffman
I am not sure if I have lost my mind or not:

CF MX (6.1) ON IIS 5.  Tried to install the Java/CFX tag as instructed, but
no matter how I tweak it, it keeps telling me it can't find it for some
darned reason.

Can someone lend a hand, as in a gotcha to look for or something like that?

Eric
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RE: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread cf
yet another reason to learn a bit of flash, probably actually faster to
build it with flash and a coldfusion backend then to do it in straight
coldfusion.
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RE: Windows 2003 Web Edition & ColdFusion

2003-12-17 Thread Barney Boisvert
I had 4.5 running on win2k Advanced Server, so it'll run on there.  Can't
help you with the 2k3 stuff though.

Cheers,
barneyb 

> -Original Message-
> From: Marc van den Dikkenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:11 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Windows 2003 Web Edition & ColdFusion
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have some old NT4 machines running CF4.5 that we plan to 
> upgrade to a
> newer version of windows, but need to make sure that CF4.5 
> actually works on
> 'em...   I have searched google all day for this one, but 
> unfortunately have
> not been able to find an answer. Does anyone here know 
> whether or not Cold
> Fusion 4.5 works (and is allowed to run) on Windows 2003 Web Edition?
> 
> If the Web Edition does -not- work in this case, and idea 
> which windows
> version would? Win2003 Standard Server? Win2000 Advanced Server?
> 
> Any pointers will be much appreciated.
> 
> --
> Marc van den Dikkenberg
> 
>
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Windows 2003 Web Edition & ColdFusion

2003-12-17 Thread Marc van den Dikkenberg
Hi All,

I have some old NT4 machines running CF4.5 that we plan to upgrade to a
newer version of windows, but need to make sure that CF4.5 actually works on
'em...   I have searched google all day for this one, but unfortunately have
not been able to find an answer. Does anyone here know whether or not Cold
Fusion 4.5 works (and is allowed to run) on Windows 2003 Web Edition?

If the Web Edition does -not- work in this case, and idea which windows
version would? Win2003 Standard Server? Win2000 Advanced Server?

Any pointers will be much appreciated.

--
Marc van den Dikkenberg
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
One last comment... Searching on Google for:

 
site:moreover.com +categories

 
Turns up a whole bunch of (in my opinion) outdated pages.  All of the
old, original category pages, pages that still say there are "free
feeds" available, etc.  It's almost like Moreover decided to start
charging for feeds, changed their home page and left the old site still
active in the background.  There's plenty of links that are 404's but
plenty of links that work.

 
It's very interesting that they can just go ahead and change the TOS and
say "we're now a pay service".  What about all of those people out there
who have apps that still use those feeds?  They're now in violation of
the TOS and probably don't even know it.

 
-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: News Feed Recommendations

you can't find this from their home page because moreover doesn't offer
free feeds anymore.

yes, this page works (and WHY it's still so accessible, I have no
idea)...but using the information off of it is stealing content.

I've found this page in the past, and since the info seemed to be up to
date and working, assumed this was free content.  I wanted to make sure
that it was legit, so I e-mailed moreover asking, and received a
response that clearly stated they no longer offered free feeds.

take that for whatever it's worth  : ) 

charlie

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:42 PM
  Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

  Not sure why I can't seem to find this from their home page... but a
  search on Google turned up the page I was talking about earlier:

  http://w.moreover.com/categories/category_list_xml.html

  Tons of news to choose from... seems to still be up to date and
  working...

  -Novak

  -Original Message-
  From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:47 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

  Assuming News Feeds means News Feeds. ;) Yahoo has a limited number of
  RSS-based news feeds:

  http://news.yahoo.com/rss  

  HTH,

  Ryan Kime

  -Original Message-
  From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:34 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: News Feed Recommendations

  Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay.
Hopefully
  a nice websservice. 
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RE: Help with Netscape 4.7

2003-12-17 Thread mayo
NS 4.7 supports CSS (very buggy support, but support nonetheless)

.class is fairly good
# ID is very poor

I remember being able to set left and width so, depending on the information
that may work.
I haven't worked with NS 4.7x for a long time and I don't have a copy with
me to test it out.

I have some problems (IIS crashed) that has trashed my development box for
the last few days. If you still have problems in a copy days post again and
I'll give it a more thorough look-see.

gil midonnet

  -Original Message-
  From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 6:23 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re: Help with Netscape 4.7

  >   - Original Message -
  >   From: Bryan Stevenson
  >   To: CF-Talk
  >   Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:19 PM
  >   Subject: Re: Help with Netscape 4.7
  >
  >   Yes Netscape renders tables WAY slower than IE...so that's the
  >  problem.
  >
  >   Have you looked at CFFLUSH?  It may solve your issues.
  >
  >   Geesh..NS 4.7 ehis that a company standard or is the client to
  > inept to install a new or upgraded browser?

  CFFLUSH won't help much... Netscape's OLD rendering engine used by the
  4.7x and prior browsers simply will not render a table until the full
  table has been received.  And if it's a table within a table, it won't
  render until the OUTER table has been completely received.

  In the old days when I was building a lot of "community" web sites for
  newspapers and such using the technology provided by the now bankrupt
  dot com that I worked for (koz.com), it got really obnoxious because
  we'd built templates using tables that wrapped the entire site.. so
  NOTHING would load until the whole page had loaded.

  We actually coined a term "VLT" = Vertically Loading Template, in which
  we separated the header table from the table that held the body and
  left/right branding areas.  At least the top part would load
  immediately, which meant the BANNER ADS would load immediately =)  You
  know, banners ads, those things that were supposed to make everyone
  billions back in 1999.

  I'm not sure there's much you can do to speed up the rendering on a
  Netscape 4.7 browser unless you actually split the table... ie, load 100
  rows, then end the table and start again...  but if you did that you
  might still consider CFFLUSHING the data... dunno, here's the docs for
  that tag:

  http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/5.0/CFML_Reference/Tags30.htm

  For what it's worth, newer versions of Netscape do NOT have this problem.

  Good luck!

  Rick
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
Just a quick follow up...  I just read the TOS on MoreOver.com

 
http://w.moreover.com/main_site/aboutus/terms.html

 
It clearly states that:

 
1.3. The Service is a fee based service and is only available to
organizations that have entered into a license agreement with Moreover.

 
So that's pretty much that.  If you want to use the "freely available"
feed you're supposed to pay for it.

 
Very strange why they left it so available to the public. (shrug)

 
-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: News Feed Recommendations

you can't find this from their home page because moreover doesn't offer
free feeds anymore.

yes, this page works (and WHY it's still so accessible, I have no
idea)...but using the information off of it is stealing content.

I've found this page in the past, and since the info seemed to be up to
date and working, assumed this was free content.  I wanted to make sure
that it was legit, so I e-mailed moreover asking, and received a
response that clearly stated they no longer offered free feeds.

take that for whatever it's worth  : ) 

charlie

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:42 PM
  Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

  Not sure why I can't seem to find this from their home page... but a
  search on Google turned up the page I was talking about earlier:

  http://w.moreover.com/categories/category_list_xml.html

  Tons of news to choose from... seems to still be up to date and
  working...

  -Novak

  -Original Message-
  From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:47 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

  Assuming News Feeds means News Feeds. ;) Yahoo has a limited number of
  RSS-based news feeds:

  http://news.yahoo.com/rss  

  HTH,

  Ryan Kime

  -Original Message-
  From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:34 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: News Feed Recommendations

  Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay.
Hopefully
  a nice websservice. 
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
Very interesting...

 
I used them back when it WAS free.  Several months ago I had a different
project and went back to moreover.com but couldn't find the feeds.  I
ended up using a different source instead.

 
Yes, it certainly is interesting that the page is still available (for
all to find via a Google search).  The feed page does say that you
agreed to their terms of service.  I didn't read their TOS but you're
probably right... I'm sure it probably says something about having to
pay for it (shrug).

 
Still, I find it very strange that they'd even offer it they way they're
offering it.  You'd think some form of authentication would have been
implemented if they didn't want to give it for free.  Maybe that would
have broke too many existing apps?  Who knows.

 
Thanks for the heads up...

 
-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: News Feed Recommendations

you can't find this from their home page because moreover doesn't offer
free feeds anymore.

yes, this page works (and WHY it's still so accessible, I have no
idea)...but using the information off of it is stealing content.

I've found this page in the past, and since the info seemed to be up to
date and working, assumed this was free content.  I wanted to make sure
that it was legit, so I e-mailed moreover asking, and received a
response that clearly stated they no longer offered free feeds.

take that for whatever it's worth  : ) 

charlie

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:42 PM
  Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

  Not sure why I can't seem to find this from their home page... but a
  search on Google turned up the page I was talking about earlier:

  http://w.moreover.com/categories/category_list_xml.html

  Tons of news to choose from... seems to still be up to date and
  working...

  -Novak

  -Original Message-
  From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:47 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

  Assuming News Feeds means News Feeds. ;) Yahoo has a limited number of
  RSS-based news feeds:

  http://news.yahoo.com/rss  

  HTH,

  Ryan Kime

  -Original Message-
  From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:34 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: News Feed Recommendations

  Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay.
Hopefully
  a nice websservice. 
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Re: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Charlie Griefer
you can't find this from their home page because moreover doesn't offer free feeds anymore.

yes, this page works (and WHY it's still so accessible, I have no idea)...but using the information off of it is stealing content.

I've found this page in the past, and since the info seemed to be up to date and working, assumed this was free content.  I wanted to make sure that it was legit, so I e-mailed moreover asking, and received a response that clearly stated they no longer offered free feeds.

take that for whatever it's worth  : ) 

charlie

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:42 PM
  Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

  Not sure why I can't seem to find this from their home page... but a
  search on Google turned up the page I was talking about earlier:

  http://w.moreover.com/categories/category_list_xml.html

  Tons of news to choose from... seems to still be up to date and
  working...

  -Novak

  -Original Message-
  From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:47 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

  Assuming News Feeds means News Feeds. ;) Yahoo has a limited number of
  RSS-based news feeds:

  http://news.yahoo.com/rss  

  HTH,

  Ryan Kime

  -Original Message-
  From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:34 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: News Feed Recommendations

  Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
  a nice websservice. 
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RE: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Barney Boisvert
I generally take the approach that in IE6 (about 90% of our market), sites
should kick ass.  In IE5.0, Mozilla and Safari (about 9%) it should be fully
functional, attractive, and easy to use, but not necessarily posessing _all_
the bells and whistles.  For NS4 and everyone else, it should be functional,
and no more.  Same goes for CSS and JS.  Functional with out them, but if
it's ugly hard to use, that's perfectly acceptable.

And to tie back to the original topic of conversation, that means showing
NS4 users a textarea full of HTML is perfectly legit, while the IE6 users
get soEditor. 

Cheers,
barneyb

> -Original Message-
> From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:29 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re:text editor for content manag. systems
> 
> Rick:
> 
> How and where do you draw the line? I mean, how far back do 
> you go in suporting old browsers and how do you know when to 
> stop? What's the criteria?
> 
> I think this is a legitimate question that every developer 
> faces at one time or another. I'm interested in hearing other 
> people's opinions.
> 
> 
> irv
> 
> 
> 
> >Dan Farmer wrote:
> >> But you never will be able to support 100% of your 
> visitors, no matter you
> >> do or how many hours wasted trying to do it. Can't justify 
> the costs in
> >> that.
> >
> >It doesn't cost me a penny more to support them.  I simply 
> avoid using 
> >things that only work in IE.
> >
> >In my freelancing business, I have clients who use Macs and 
> don't use 
> >Internet Explorer.  It would cost me money NOT to support 
> them via loss 
> >of income.  In my day job, a lot of the users of my web apps are Mac 
> >users.  Hell, the director of my department (my bosses boss) uses 
> >Mozilla on a PC as his primary browser.
> >
> >I've even got a DHTML menu on day job's web site for 
> navigation.  I use 
> >a little tool called DHTML Menu Builder, and it even works 
> on Netscape 
> >4.7x browsers.
> >
> >To each his own, I guess.  Ability and interest in 
> programming for all 
> >browsers makes me more valuable in my current job, and it 
> makes me more 
> >valuable to my current and potential future clients as a freelancer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
Not sure why I can't seem to find this from their home page... but a
search on Google turned up the page I was talking about earlier:

 
http://w.moreover.com/categories/category_list_xml.html

 
Tons of news to choose from... seems to still be up to date and
working...

 
-Novak

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From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Assuming News Feeds means News Feeds. ;) Yahoo has a limited number of
RSS-based news feeds:

http://news.yahoo.com/rss  

HTH,

Ryan Kime

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: News Feed Recommendations

Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
a nice websservice. 
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RE: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Dan Farmer
I agree with Novak. Netscape is a waste of time to design for. I'm all for 
one standard, one platform... it's a pain to design for all these 
browsers... so I don't anymore... just waiting for Netscape to fully go 
away... I mean it basically has... but why waste time designing for a dead 
browser? Besides no matter how much time you spend doing it, someone always 
gets left out.

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Producer / Coldfusion Developer
http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca
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>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: text editor for content manag. systems
>Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:34:38 -0800
>
>Net who?
>
>My $0.02 ;-)
>
>-Novak
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:29 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re:text editor for content manag. systems
>
>
>Rick:
>
>How and where do you draw the line? I mean, how far back do you go in
>suporting old browsers and how do you know when to stop? What's the
>criteria?
>
>I think this is a legitimate question that every developer faces at one
>time or another. I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions.
>
>irv
>
> >Dan Farmer wrote:
> >> But you never will be able to support 100% of your visitors, no
>matter you
> >> do or how many hours wasted trying to do it. Can't justify the costs
>in
> >> that.
> >
> >It doesn't cost me a penny more to support them.  I simply avoid using
> >things that only work in IE.
> >
> >In my freelancing business, I have clients who use Macs and don't use
> >Internet Explorer.  It would cost me money NOT to support them via loss
>
> >of income.  In my day job, a lot of the users of my web apps are Mac
> >users.  Hell, the director of my department (my bosses boss) uses
> >Mozilla on a PC as his primary browser.
> >
> >I've even got a DHTML menu on day job's web site for navigation.  I use
>
> >a little tool called DHTML Menu Builder, and it even works on Netscape
> >4.7x browsers.
> >
> >To each his own, I guess.  Ability and interest in programming for all
> >browsers makes me more valuable in my current job, and it makes me more
>
> >valuable to my current and potential future clients as a freelancer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>   _
>
>
>
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RE: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
Net who?

 
My $0.02 ;-)

 
-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Irvin Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:29 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re:text editor for content manag. systems

Rick:

How and where do you draw the line? I mean, how far back do you go in
suporting old browsers and how do you know when to stop? What's the
criteria?

I think this is a legitimate question that every developer faces at one
time or another. I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions.

irv

>Dan Farmer wrote:
>> But you never will be able to support 100% of your visitors, no
matter you
>> do or how many hours wasted trying to do it. Can't justify the costs
in
>> that.
>
>It doesn't cost me a penny more to support them.  I simply avoid using 
>things that only work in IE.
>
>In my freelancing business, I have clients who use Macs and don't use 
>Internet Explorer.  It would cost me money NOT to support them via loss

>of income.  In my day job, a lot of the users of my web apps are Mac 
>users.  Hell, the director of my department (my bosses boss) uses 
>Mozilla on a PC as his primary browser.
>
>I've even got a DHTML menu on day job's web site for navigation.  I use

>a little tool called DHTML Menu Builder, and it even works on Netscape 
>4.7x browsers.
>
>To each his own, I guess.  Ability and interest in programming for all 
>browsers makes me more valuable in my current job, and it makes me more

>valuable to my current and potential future clients as a freelancer.
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re:text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Irvin Gomez
Rick:

How and where do you draw the line? I mean, how far back do you go in suporting old browsers and how do you know when to stop? What's the criteria?

I think this is a legitimate question that every developer faces at one time or another. I'm interested in hearing other people's opinions.

irv

>Dan Farmer wrote:
>> But you never will be able to support 100% of your visitors, no matter you
>> do or how many hours wasted trying to do it. Can't justify the costs in
>> that.
>
>It doesn't cost me a penny more to support them.  I simply avoid using 
>things that only work in IE.
>
>In my freelancing business, I have clients who use Macs and don't use 
>Internet Explorer.  It would cost me money NOT to support them via loss 
>of income.  In my day job, a lot of the users of my web apps are Mac 
>users.  Hell, the director of my department (my bosses boss) uses 
>Mozilla on a PC as his primary browser.
>
>I've even got a DHTML menu on day job's web site for navigation.  I use 
>a little tool called DHTML Menu Builder, and it even works on Netscape 
>4.7x browsers.
>
>To each his own, I guess.  Ability and interest in programming for all 
>browsers makes me more valuable in my current job, and it makes me more 
>valuable to my current and potential future clients as a freelancer.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Help with Netscape 4.7

2003-12-17 Thread Rick Root
>   - Original Message -
 >   From: Bryan Stevenson
 >   To: CF-Talk
 >   Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:19 PM
 >   Subject: Re: Help with Netscape 4.7
 >
 >   Yes Netscape renders tables WAY slower than IE...so that's the
 >  problem.
 >
 >   Have you looked at CFFLUSH?  It may solve your issues.
 >
 >   Geesh..NS 4.7 ehis that a company standard or is the client to
 > inept to install a new or upgraded browser?

CFFLUSH won't help much... Netscape's OLD rendering engine used by the 
4.7x and prior browsers simply will not render a table until the full 
table has been received.  And if it's a table within a table, it won't 
render until the OUTER table has been completely received.

In the old days when I was building a lot of "community" web sites for 
newspapers and such using the technology provided by the now bankrupt 
dot com that I worked for (koz.com), it got really obnoxious because 
we'd built templates using tables that wrapped the entire site.. so 
NOTHING would load until the whole page had loaded.

We actually coined a term "VLT" = Vertically Loading Template, in which 
we separated the header table from the table that held the body and 
left/right branding areas.  At least the top part would load 
immediately, which meant the BANNER ADS would load immediately =)  You 
know, banners ads, those things that were supposed to make everyone 
billions back in 1999.

I'm not sure there's much you can do to speed up the rendering on a 
Netscape 4.7 browser unless you actually split the table... ie, load 100 
rows, then end the table and start again...  but if you did that you 
might still consider CFFLUSHING the data... dunno, here's the docs for 
that tag:

http://livedocs.macromedia.com/coldfusion/5.0/CFML_Reference/Tags30.htm

For what it's worth, newer versions of Netscape do NOT have this problem.

Good luck!

Rick
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
Looks like Yahoo also has a listing of a bunch of RSS places as well:

 
http://dir.yahoo.com/Computers_and_Internet/Data_Formats/XML__eXtensible
_Markup_Language_/RSS/News_Aggregators/

 
-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Assuming News Feeds means News Feeds. ;) Yahoo has a limited number of
RSS-based news feeds:

http://news.yahoo.com/rss  

HTH,

Ryan Kime

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: News Feed Recommendations

Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
a nice websservice. 
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RE: Best Practices

2003-12-17 Thread Jim Davis
I’m not sure if this is possible, but I would try to separate the content
from the presentation.  For example, if you placed all of your content into
a struct (perhaps from a database) you could just output the same thing.
Something like this:

 





 





 





 



 


#PageContent[CurrentLanguage].Phrase1#
#PageContent[CurrentLanguage].Phrase2#
#PageContent[CurrentLanguage].Phrase3#



 
Changing “CurrentLanguage” changes the content immediately – no ors, buts or
s.

 
Of course this means that you’ll be doing a lot of structure setting – but
then your content is completely separate.  If you need to add another
language, for example, you can just by changing the content files.

 
Jim Davis

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From: Mickael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:38 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Best Practices

 
Hello All,

I have an app that seem to run very slow at time, I am looking for ways that
I may not be using CF efficiently.

The app is in french and english, and is able user is able to switch back
and forth from french to english.  I use a session variable for this.

My code states is english textfrench
text

Here a  piece of table


align="center">
  
    Issue #Demande #
    User IDIdentification de
l'usager
    Date LoggedDate
d'entrée

My question is, is is better to Have the whole english table under the first
if statement then then entire french table in else faster than what I am
doing above.  I like the method above because I have essentially only one
table to view the other way I would have two.

I am looking for suggestion on how to optimize this.

Thanks

Mike
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Rick Root
Dan Farmer wrote:
> But you never will be able to support 100% of your visitors, no matter you
> do or how many hours wasted trying to do it. Can't justify the costs in
> that.

It doesn't cost me a penny more to support them.  I simply avoid using 
things that only work in IE.

In my freelancing business, I have clients who use Macs and don't use 
Internet Explorer.  It would cost me money NOT to support them via loss 
of income.  In my day job, a lot of the users of my web apps are Mac 
users.  Hell, the director of my department (my bosses boss) uses 
Mozilla on a PC as his primary browser.

I've even got a DHTML menu on day job's web site for navigation.  I use 
a little tool called DHTML Menu Builder, and it even works on Netscape 
4.7x browsers.

To each his own, I guess.  Ability and interest in programming for all 
browsers makes me more valuable in my current job, and it makes me more 
valuable to my current and potential future clients as a freelancer.
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Ryan Kime
Assuming News Feeds means News Feeds. ;) Yahoo has a limited number of
RSS-based news feeds:

 
http://news.yahoo.com/rss  

 
HTH,

 
Ryan Kime

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: News Feed Recommendations

Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
a nice websservice. 
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Dan Farmer
But you never will be able to support 100% of your visitors, no matter you 
do or how many hours wasted trying to do it. Can't justify the costs in 
that.

__
Daniel Farmer
Producer / Coldfusion Developer
http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca
P: 613.284.1684



>From: Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: text editor for content manag. systems
>Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:32:49 -0500
>
>Dan Farmer wrote:
> > I don't bother trying to support netscape users... why?
>
>I don't bother supporting users of OLD netscape... but Netscape 7+ and
>Mozilla are pretty much the same, and the Mozilla browser engine is used
>by a variety of others as well.
>
>If 100,000 customers come to my ecommerce site, I want 100% of them to
>be able to use it.  Ignoring 2% of my visitors is foolish and fiscally
>irresponsible.
>
>AOL has already switched "AOL for Mac OS X" to be based on the mozilla
>project, they very well could do it on the Windows platform too...
>
>
>
>
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Samuel R. Neff
Yeah, I misread the original e-mail.  Sorry for any confusion.

Sam

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> -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:49 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: News Feed Recommendations
> 
> I'm guessing he means an RSS feed not a usenet feed.
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Samuel R. Neff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:37 PM
> Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations
> 
> > What's wrong with the news feed your ISP provides?  That 
> will usually 
> > give you best performance since it's going to be the 
> closest connection.
> >
> > Sam
> >
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Re:Adding remote datasource dynamically

2003-12-17 Thread Don
Jochem, are you dropping the ball?

Don
>Don said:
>> Same result after ds.password =
>> ds_service.encryptPasword("#FORM.pwd#");
>
>ds.password = ds_service.encryptPasword(javaCast("string",FORM.pwd));
>
>Jochem
>
>
>
>
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BabelFish down ?

2003-12-17 Thread David Fafard
Hi,

I was using the BabelFish translation for a project
at my company and noticed it is throwing an error
stating it's down.

Error:
Could not perform web service invocation "BabelFish" 
because AxisFault faultCode: {
http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/}Server faultString: 
Our connection to the Altavista BabelFish site has been cut. 
This service will remain down indefinitely until an alternate translation engine can be found. 
We apologize for any inconvenience. 

Question. Does anyone know of a similar service that
is free or fee based ? I really need this functionality at my company.

Thanks,
Dave
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
I think he's talking about "newsgroups" (NNTP)... not news feeds...

 
-Novak

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From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

What news feed are you talking about Sam?

-Original Message-
From: Samuel R. Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

What's wrong with the news feed your ISP provides?  That will usually
give
you best performance since it's going to be the closest connection.

Sam

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> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:11 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations
> 
> Gee, wish I'd have thought of that. ;-) Google has that sort of thing?
> Seriously, I've been reading about news feeds for an hour and 
> would like to know if anyone has any they recommend.
> 
> 
> Greg
> 
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
I think you missed the humor in my last post... (notice the wink at the
end)...  ;-)

 
-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:44 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Well Novak, I guess there wasn't a need for your condescending remark
about checking google.

Back on topic, does anyone recommend a news feed that can be accessed as
a webservice?

Greg

-Original Message-
From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Greg,

No need for the sarcasm.  You could have just as easily said you'd
already been looking at feeds but didn't know which one to pick. ;-)

I mean, it's not like anyone on this list EVER asks a question without
first checking the docs/archive/google first.

LOL
-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Gee, wish I'd have thought of that. ;-) Google has that sort of thing?
Seriously, I've been reading about news feeds for an hour and would like
to know if anyone has any they recommend.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Quick search on Google for "free news feed" turned up this:

http://www.freenewsfeed.com/

Also turned up others... you may want to perform a search for yourself.

I used to use moreover.com but I don't believe they offer free newsfeeds
anymore.

-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: News Feed Recommendations

Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
a nice websservice. 
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread cf
i been using josh dura's flash one
http://www.joshdura.com/archives/000163.php
sure gets around the browser issues. course its in flash but its fairly
easy to add to a cfm page and use it
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Re: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Kevin Graeme
I'm guessing he means an RSS feed not a usenet feed.

-Kevin

- Original Message - 
From: "Samuel R. Neff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

> What's wrong with the news feed your ISP provides?  That will usually give
> you best performance since it's going to be the closest connection.
>
> Sam
>
>
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>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:11 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations
> >
> > Gee, wish I'd have thought of that. ;-) Google has that sort of thing?
> > Seriously, I've been reading about news feeds for an hour and
> > would like to know if anyone has any they recommend.
> >
> >
> > Greg
> >
>
>
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Greg Luce
What news feed are you talking about Sam?

-Original Message-
From: Samuel R. Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

What's wrong with the news feed your ISP provides?  That will usually
give
you best performance since it's going to be the closest connection.

Sam

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> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:11 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations
> 
> Gee, wish I'd have thought of that. ;-) Google has that sort of thing?
> Seriously, I've been reading about news feeds for an hour and 
> would like to know if anyone has any they recommend.
> 
> 
> Greg
> 
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Greg Luce
Well Novak, I guess there wasn't a need for your condescending remark
about checking google.

 
Back on topic, does anyone recommend a news feed that can be accessed as
a webservice?

 
Greg

-Original Message-
From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Greg,

No need for the sarcasm.  You could have just as easily said you'd
already been looking at feeds but didn't know which one to pick. ;-)

I mean, it's not like anyone on this list EVER asks a question without
first checking the docs/archive/google first.

LOL
-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Gee, wish I'd have thought of that. ;-) Google has that sort of thing?
Seriously, I've been reading about news feeds for an hour and would like
to know if anyone has any they recommend.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Quick search on Google for "free news feed" turned up this:

http://www.freenewsfeed.com/

Also turned up others... you may want to perform a search for yourself.

I used to use moreover.com but I don't believe they offer free newsfeeds
anymore.

-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: News Feed Recommendations

Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
a nice websservice. 
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Re: Help with Netscape 4.7

2003-12-17 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Yikes...no CFFLUSH docs eh.what version of CF (Ithink CFFLUSH became available in CF 5...but mabye 4.5)

See below:


    interval = "integer number of bytes">
Description 
Flushes currently available data to the client. 

Category 
Data output tags, Page processing tags 

See also 
cfcache, cfheader, cfinclude, cfsetting, cfsilent 

Attributes 
   Attribute Req/Opt Default Description 
  interval
 Optional
  
 Integer. Flushes output each time this number of bytes becomes available. HTML headers, and data that is already available when the tag is executed, are omitted from the count.
 

Usage 

The first occurrence of this tag on a page sends back the HTML headers and any other available HTML. Subsequent cfflush tags on the page send only the output that was generated after the previous flush. 

When you flush data, ensure that enough information is available, as some browsers might not respond if you flush only a small amount. Similarly, set the interval attribute for a few hundred bytes or more, but not thousands of bytes. 

Use the interval attribute only when a large amount of output will be sent to the client, such as in a cfloop or a cfoutput of a large query. Using this form globally (such as in the Application.cfm file) might cause unexpected errors when CFML tags that modify HTML headers are executed. 

Caution:   Once you have used this tag on a page, any CFML function or tag on the page that modifies the HTML header causes an error. (These include: cfcontent, cfcookie, cfform, cfheader, cfhtmlhead, and cflocation.) 

Using the cfset tag to set a cookie scope variable causes an error. Cookie errors can be caught with the cfcatch type = "Any" tag. Other errors can be caught with cfcatch type = "template". 

Using the cfflush tag within a cfsavecontent tag (if the cfsavecontent tag has content) causes an error. 

Note:   Normally, the cferror tag discards the current output buffer and replaces it with the contents of the error page. The cfflush tag discards the current buffer. As a result, the Error.GeneratedContent variable resulting from a cferror tag after a cfflush contains any contents of the output buffer that has not been flushed. This content is not sent to the client. The content of the error page displays to the client after the bytes that have been sent. 

The following example uses cfloop tags and the rand random number generating function to delay data display. It simulates a page that is slow to generate data. 

Example 

Your Magic numbers
It will take us a little while to calculate your ten magic numbers.
It takes a lot of work to find numbers that truly fit your
personality. So relax for a minute or so while we do the hard
work for you.
We are sure you will agree it was worth the short wait!





    




    

    
    
Magic number number #Myindex# is:  #RandRange( 
10, 99)#
    


Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Mickael 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Help with Netscape 4.7

  Their network security won't upgrade them until mid 2004.  I am not CFFLUSH I look in the Docs, do you know of any online Tutorials using CFFLUSH?
    - Original Message - 
    From: Bryan Stevenson 
    To: CF-Talk 
    Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:19 PM
    Subject: Re: Help with Netscape 4.7

    Yes Netscape renders tables WAY slower than IE...so that's the problem.

    Have you looked at CFFLUSH?  It may solve your issues.

    Geesh..NS 4.7 ehis that a company standard or is the client to inept to install a new or upgraded browser?

    Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
    VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
    Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
    t. 250.920.8830
    e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Mickael 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:08 PM
  Subject: Help with Netscape 4.7

  Hello All,

  I have a client that uses Netscape 4.7 over their corporate lan and they access certain reports in an application that I had built for them.  Unfortunately upgrading them to IE is not an option.  

  The problem I have is a certain report produces a table, and depending on their criteria it can be a very long table (even 1000 rows) where IE will display the 

Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Rick Root
Dan Farmer wrote:
> I don't bother trying to support netscape users... why?

I don't bother supporting users of OLD netscape... but Netscape 7+ and 
Mozilla are pretty much the same, and the Mozilla browser engine is used 
by a variety of others as well.

If 100,000 customers come to my ecommerce site, I want 100% of them to 
be able to use it.  Ignoring 2% of my visitors is foolish and fiscally 
irresponsible.

AOL has already switched "AOL for Mac OS X" to be based on the mozilla 
project, they very well could do it on the Windows platform too...


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Re: Help with Netscape 4.7

2003-12-17 Thread Mickael
Their network security won't upgrade them until mid 2004.  I am not CFFLUSH I look in the Docs, do you know of any online Tutorials using CFFLUSH?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bryan Stevenson 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Help with Netscape 4.7

  Yes Netscape renders tables WAY slower than IE...so that's the problem.

  Have you looked at CFFLUSH?  It may solve your issues.

  Geesh..NS 4.7 ehis that a company standard or is the client to inept to install a new or upgraded browser?

  Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
  VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
  Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
  t. 250.920.8830
  e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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    - Original Message - 
    From: Mickael 
    To: CF-Talk 
    Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:08 PM
    Subject: Help with Netscape 4.7

    Hello All,

    I have a client that uses Netscape 4.7 over their corporate lan and they access certain reports in an application that I had built for them.  Unfortunately upgrading them to IE is not an option.  

    The problem I have is a certain report produces a table, and depending on their criteria it can be a very long table (even 1000 rows) where IE will display the info to the screen Netscape chokes on it.  What happens it that Netscape appears to be not responding, but actually if you walk away and don't touch the PC the table will eventually appear.

    I know that Netscape does not display the table until it is finished loading it completely, so I thought I would try instead of displaying rows I would display one row tables instead, this is not working out either as I am having a hell of a time getting the columns to Line up.

    If anyone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

    Mike
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Re: Flash on the Desktop?

2003-12-17 Thread Mike Chambers
No. You got it. Central is a desktop environment for running Rich 
Internet Applications.

http://www.macromedia.com/go/central

mike chambers

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On Dec 17, 2003, at 7:42 AM, Jeff Houser wrote:

> Based on what I understand about Central, it is a way to build a "pod" 
> pieces that runs within the "central" framework.  
>
> My understanding that you must have the "central" framework / program 
> / whatever installed and then run the "pod" within central.  
>
> If my understanding is correct (which it may not be) then central is 
> not a way to distribute "stand alone" applications.  
>
> Whether central will work for the client or not is another discussion; 
> which I have not had with them.  Based on my knowledge to date about 
> their application it will not work.
>
> If you feel the need to correct my understanding of Central, please do.
>
> >Jeffrey,
> >
> >What about Central do you think doesn't apply to your client's
> >situation? Based on your comments, it sounds to me like it does apply.
> >
> >mike chambers
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >On Dec 17, 2003, at 8:10 AM, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> >>
> >>   I finally found time to sit through the Central presentation.  It 
> is
> >> intriguing and kind of reminds me of an "iTunes for Software", but I
> >> don't
> >> think it applies to the existing clients situations.
> >
>
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Re: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Geoff Bowers
Greg Luce wrote:
> Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
> a nice websservice.

Fullasagoog has an RIA technology newsfeed available as both categorised 
RSS (http://www.fullasagoog.com/feeds.cfm) or via a comprehensive 
webservice (http://www.fullasagoog.com/webservice.cfm).

-- geoff
http://www.daemon.com.au/
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Re: Best Practices

2003-12-17 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Paul Hastings wrote:
>> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2002/06/13/php.html
> 
> i see, yes quite similar to resourceBundles except perhaps for the dir
> requirement? i think there are java tools for something like this ("after
> the fact i18n").

I think Sun took a good look at gettext when they made their 
resourcebundles.

>> The reason to try to use gettext instead of ResourceBundles in
>> this case is that the code will have to coexist with PHP and Perl
>> code in a shared repository (probably GForge). I want to leverage
> 
> oh boy. headaches just thinking about that.

How hard can it be? It is not fundamentally different from using 
ResourceBundles.

In the long run being able to recycle strings from the PHP and 
Perl code would be a huge advantage. And for this particular 
application it is very usefull that partially translated 
languages don't crash and burn ;-)

> well i finally figured out how to easily use "native" java resourceBundles,
> managing the translations without something like rbManager was becoming a
> huge pain, though the ease of use of simply opening notepad to edit utf-8
> resourceBundles is still appealing.
> http://www.sustainablegis.com/unicode/resourceBundle/javaRB.cfm

Maybe not so much the editing as being able to read it.

Jochem

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organize one yourself
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Re: Help with Netscape 4.7

2003-12-17 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Yes Netscape renders tables WAY slower than IE...so that's the problem.

Have you looked at CFFLUSH?  It may solve your issues.

Geesh..NS 4.7 ehis that a company standard or is the client to inept to install a new or upgraded browser?

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
t. 250.920.8830
e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Mickael 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:08 PM
  Subject: Help with Netscape 4.7

  Hello All,

  I have a client that uses Netscape 4.7 over their corporate lan and they access certain reports in an application that I had built for them.  Unfortunately upgrading them to IE is not an option.  

  The problem I have is a certain report produces a table, and depending on their criteria it can be a very long table (even 1000 rows) where IE will display the info to the screen Netscape chokes on it.  What happens it that Netscape appears to be not responding, but actually if you walk away and don't touch the PC the table will eventually appear.

  I know that Netscape does not display the table until it is finished loading it completely, so I thought I would try instead of displaying rows I would display one row tables instead, this is not working out either as I am having a hell of a time getting the columns to Line up.

  If anyone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

  Mike
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Dan Farmer
I don't bother trying to support netscape users... why?

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>From: Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: text editor for content manag. systems
>Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:58:08 -0500
>
>Matt Liotta wrote:
>
> >  > They've got a new version in "beta" that also supports Mozilla 1.3+ 
>on
> >  > *ALL* platforms... so your Mac users using Safari can still get the
> >  > HTML
> >  > editing.
> >  >
> > I don't see how support for Mozilla helps Mac users with Safari.
>
>Don't mind me, for some reason I thought Safari was a gecko-based
>browser.  I had it confused with Camino.
>
>so in order for the Mac users to be supported, they'd have to be using
>Netscape, Mozilla, Compuserve, AOL for Mac OS X, etc...
>
>   - Rick
>
>
>
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RE: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread realtoroffice.net
soeditor
  -Original Message-
  From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:51 PM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: Re:text editor for content manag. systems

  Paul wrote:
  >what about spaw-cf? http://sourceforge.net/projects/spaw-cf

  The guy who wrote spaw posted a thread here asking for suggestions and I
chanted my mantra about how inline links to file uploads are a part of page
creation.  I get client requests for this all the time they want to
upload zipfiles, pdf's and whatnot.  His editor doesn't have that yet, and
FCK is one of the few that does; a hidden gem in their url link toolbar
item.

  With only a little work you can build in mime type checks/file size
limits/an error handler. Vastly better than fckeditor's simple extension
checking.

  --Matt Robertson--
  MSB Designs, Inc.
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
Greg,

 
No need for the sarcasm.  You could have just as easily said you'd
already been looking at feeds but didn't know which one to pick. ;-)

 
I mean, it's not like anyone on this list EVER asks a question without
first checking the docs/archive/google first.

 
LOL
-Novak

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From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Gee, wish I'd have thought of that. ;-) Google has that sort of thing?
Seriously, I've been reading about news feeds for an hour and would like
to know if anyone has any they recommend.

Greg

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From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Quick search on Google for "free news feed" turned up this:

http://www.freenewsfeed.com/

Also turned up others... you may want to perform a search for yourself.

I used to use moreover.com but I don't believe they offer free newsfeeds
anymore.

-Novak

-Original Message-
From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: News Feed Recommendations

Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
a nice websservice. 
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RE: ColdFusion Blog App from Macromedia DevNet Resource Kit V5

2003-12-17 Thread Igor Ilyinsky
So, Heidi, I think you asked for feedback, but instead you got caught in a crossfire of insults between developers. None of which I am willing to bet has even used Blogman.

 
I have used it and have some feedback...

 
1. There is no spot in the config.XML doc to specify a mail server, so it relies on the default (if there is one). I added an option to include one per blog.

 
2. Multiple people can contribute to the same blog, and they all have equal control. While I'm not sure that any two people will need to contribute to the same blog, if they did... there is no reason for them to be able to step on each others toes. Also, makes the multi-accounts feature useless.

 
3. There is no mention of securing your XML files. Some of which (config, users, emailsub, commentsub) if browsed to will reveal all user accounts and other sensitive info.

 
4. It is not immediately intuitive that you must create a category to begin blogging. I'm not sure that a category should be required, as most Blogs are general.

 
5. Without re-engineering it, It was difficult to set up blogs for multiple people without making duplicates of the entire app. A better architecture would be:

 
-Blogman
    - App Files (CFCs)
    - Master Admin
    - Blogger Admin ? blogger_id = xxx
    - Blogs
-Blog1
-Blog2
-Blog3

To give my opinion. I love the apps that come with DRK because they are current and relevant... And when some Senior Manager with  no clue about technology says "Hey, can you build me one of those blog applications" I can say "Sure" without telling him what I really feel. They also provide me with a (usually) well architechted platform to build on top of... and are a great resource to beginner developers. Anyone threatened by MM creating software should re-think their career choice, because by putting out these applications they are both creating a market for us, and giving us the code to add to our entourage.

 
-Igor
-cccfug.org


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From: Heidi Voltmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: ColdFusion Blog App from Macromedia DevNet Resource Kit V5

The Macromedia DevNet Resource Kit team is looking for suggestions on how to improve or enhance the ColdFusion Blog App (a.k.a. Blogman) from DRK Volume 5. If you used the Blogman application (http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/productinfo/product_overview/volume5/coldfusionmx.html#blog_man_application) and have feature requests, please respond to this post or feel free to send them directly to me.
Thanks,
Heidi Voltmer
Macromedia 
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Help with Netscape 4.7

2003-12-17 Thread Mickael
Hello All,

I have a client that uses Netscape 4.7 over their corporate lan and they access certain reports in an application that I had built for them.  Unfortunately upgrading them to IE is not an option.  

The problem I have is a certain report produces a table, and depending on their criteria it can be a very long table (even 1000 rows) where IE will display the info to the screen Netscape chokes on it.  What happens it that Netscape appears to be not responding, but actually if you walk away and don't touch the PC the table will eventually appear.

I know that Netscape does not display the table until it is finished loading it completely, so I thought I would try instead of displaying rows I would display one row tables instead, this is not working out either as I am having a hell of a time getting the columns to Line up.

If anyone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

Mike
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Rick Root
Matt Liotta wrote:

>  > They've got a new version in "beta" that also supports Mozilla 1.3+ on
>  > *ALL* platforms... so your Mac users using Safari can still get the
>  > HTML
>  > editing.
>  >
> I don't see how support for Mozilla helps Mac users with Safari.

Don't mind me, for some reason I thought Safari was a gecko-based 
browser.  I had it confused with Camino.

so in order for the Mac users to be supported, they'd have to be using 
Netscape, Mozilla, Compuserve, AOL for Mac OS X, etc...

  - Rick
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Re:text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Matt Robertson
Paul wrote:
>what about spaw-cf? http://sourceforge.net/projects/spaw-cf

The guy who wrote spaw posted a thread here asking for suggestions and I chanted my mantra about how inline links to file uploads are a part of page creation.  I get client requests for this all the time they want to upload zipfiles, pdf's and whatnot.  His editor doesn't have that yet, and FCK is one of the few that does; a hidden gem in their url link toolbar item.

With only a little work you can build in mime type checks/file size limits/an error handler. Vastly better than fckeditor's simple extension checking.

--Matt Robertson--
MSB Designs, Inc.
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Samuel R. Neff
What's wrong with the news feed your ISP provides?  That will usually give
you best performance since it's going to be the closest connection.

Sam

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> -Original Message-
> From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:11 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations
> 
> Gee, wish I'd have thought of that. ;-) Google has that sort of thing?
> Seriously, I've been reading about news feeds for an hour and 
> would like to know if anyone has any they recommend.
> 
> 
> Greg
>
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Re: Weather Feed... ?

2003-12-17 Thread Charlie Griefer
http://www.ejse.com/services/weather_xml_web_services.htm

i'm using this feed at http://charlie.griefer.com

it's free at the moment.  i've heard rumors they're going to start charging soon...but i've sent them a couple of e-mails inquiring about that and have never gotten a response back.  

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  From: Dan Farmer 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:19 PM
  Subject: Weather Feed... ?

  Thanks for the quick response to my last question.

  Now, where could I find a good weather feed web service and or other type of 
  http/ftp service that I can use in my app ?

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RE: Weather Feed... ?

2003-12-17 Thread Dan Phillips
also http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages

d=28509&forumid=4> &threadid=28509&forumid=4

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From: Dan Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Weather Feed... ?

Thanks for the quick response to my last question.

Now, where could I find a good weather feed web service and or other
type of 
http/ftp service that I can use in my app ?

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Producer / Coldfusion Developer
http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca
P: 613.284.1684 
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Re:mySQL grabs 400mb RAM?

2003-12-17 Thread Matt Robertson
>How are you determinig it's eating 400m if the performance monitor only 
>says 18m?  

By looking at the overall memory usage.  Switch the service off and 400M reappears.  Turn it on and 400mb is no longer available, with no sign of who is doing it.

>What table handlers are you using?  What's your my.cnf look like?  

myisam exclusively.  I went to go copy my.cnf and discovered the problem... 

There was no my.cnf.

Apparently (the old my.cnf file is still present as a .bak) when I upgraded to 4.0.16 from an early alpha the installer goofed.  No revised my.cnf was created and it seems if no my.cnf then mySQL defaults to eating resources equivalent to the my-huge.cnf file.  The key_buffer setting of 384m was the main culprit.  

So I built a new one based on my-medium.cnf and all is back to normal.

So... What mySQL eats for its caches is not registered by Win2k's Task Manager.  Try it by pumping up your key_buffer value and you should see free memory loss with no sign of where its going.  Interesting.

Thanks very much for helping out,

--Matt Robertson--
MSB Designs, Inc.
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RE: Weather Feed... ?

2003-12-17 Thread Dan Phillips
http://www.liveweatherfeed.com

Dan Phillips
CFXHosting.com
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From: Dan Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 3:20 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Weather Feed... ?

Thanks for the quick response to my last question.

Now, where could I find a good weather feed web service and or other
type of 
http/ftp service that I can use in my app ?

__
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Producer / Coldfusion Developer
http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca
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Weather Feed... ?

2003-12-17 Thread Dan Farmer
Thanks for the quick response to my last question.

Now, where could I find a good weather feed web service and or other type of 
http/ftp service that I can use in my app ?

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Producer / Coldfusion Developer
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Greg Luce
Gee, wish I'd have thought of that. ;-) Google has that sort of thing?
Seriously, I've been reading about news feeds for an hour and would like
to know if anyone has any they recommend.

 
Greg

-Original Message-
From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 2:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: News Feed Recommendations

Quick search on Google for "free news feed" turned up this:

http://www.freenewsfeed.com/

Also turned up others... you may want to perform a search for yourself.

I used to use moreover.com but I don't believe they offer free newsfeeds
anymore.

-Novak

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From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: News Feed Recommendations

Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
a nice websservice. 
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Matt Liotta
> They've got a new version in "beta" that also supports Mozilla 1.3+ on
> *ALL* platforms... so your Mac users using Safari can still get the 
> HTML
> editing.
>
I don't see how support for Mozilla helps Mac users with Safari.

-Matt
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RE: MLS cfc or custom tag.

2003-12-17 Thread Adam Wayne Lehman
Dwayne,

 
As a former Realtor I can say that MLS is private data. (Although I
haven't had my license in a while) As far I knew, only licensed Realtors
we're allowed direct access to that data. (And even they pay a monthly
fee). MLS being populated by Realtors themselves has to remain private
or else no one would need the Realtor. You could just do all your
searching online and contact owners directly. Then you get into the gray
area of 'Should the Realtor receive their percentage if they didn't
bring the seller and the buyer together?'

 
I _can_ say that the national MLS system that Realtors use is CF based.
(It's slow as crap though)

 
However, if you do discover a service or anything they are offering to
the public, I'll gladly help in writing a CFC.

 
Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division

 
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From: Dwayne Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:11 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MLS cfc or custom tag.

 
>Good luck Dwayne!  MLS is copyrighted proprietary data.  Pretty much
you 
>can't get it without paying for it =)
>
>  - Rick
>

The company is already paying access to the data as well as access to
the online system.  There are various ways that they can download comma
delimited version of the information, in fact I even think there is a
RSS feed that's made available. I just can't find the specifics.
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Paul Hastings
what about spaw-cf? http://sourceforge.net/projects/spaw-cf
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Cameron Childress
What kinda news feed you want?  PGA.com has several undocumented RSS feeds -
if you are interested, email me offlist...

-Cameron

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Re: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Michael Dinowitz
News.Google.com has an email news feed based on a request. To capture this email
and turn it into a DB or XML stream is rather simple. I'll actually be
presenting on that at the next NYCFUG and will release my code for it then.

> Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
> a nice websservice.
>
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RE: News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
Quick search on Google for "free news feed" turned up this:

 
http://www.freenewsfeed.com/

 
Also turned up others... you may want to perform a search for yourself.

 
I used to use moreover.com but I don't believe they offer free newsfeeds
anymore.

 
-Novak

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From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: News Feed Recommendations

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Re: 5.0 Development Practices

2003-12-17 Thread Ben Doom
You could always write UDFs that create the queries, then call a generic 
  query include.

Not terribly elegant, but maybe a quick solution.

--Ben Doom

Rick Root wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>  > Yeah, I thought about doing that, but you can't perform queries... d'oh.
> 
> Not in UDFs, no... that's where custom tags come in.
> 
>   - Rick
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News Feed Recommendations

2003-12-17 Thread Greg Luce
Anyone have recommendations for a good news feed? Free or pay. Hopefully
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RE: UTC and daylight savings time...

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
Tony,

 
Do you mean that you add an hour if the date you're trying to convert
exists BEFORE the time change?  Because that's the real issue.  If the
transaction takes place at say 12pm during DST it's going to be off an
hour if you check the same transaction at some point in the future when
DST isn't in effect.

 
I think the real solution here would be to look at the date being
converted and determine if it falls in DST or not... then convert
accordingly.

 
I was just hoping that someone out there (read: Macromedia) had already
taken this scenario into consideration and delt with it accordingly.

 
-Novak

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From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: UTC and daylight savings time...

I do just about what you do

1. set a _javascript_ cookie with persons time zone
2. read that time zone with cookie. cf variable
3. compare with server time zone.  

if server time zone is -4 I know we are in dst, if server time zone
is -5 I know we are in est.
4. if server time zone is 4. I add an hour, if its -5 I leave it alone.
5. it's a bit screwy, but it works.

...tony

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senior web applications architect
navtrak, inc.
www.navtrak.net
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From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: UTC and daylight savings time...

While we're discussing best practices today I have a quick question
regarding time zones, UTC, etc, etc.

I believe that the preferred method of storing dates and times in your
database is in UTC.  I have no problem running all of the servers in the
UTC
time zone even.

>From there it's a question of what's the best way to convert the UTC
back to the user's local time zone.

My practice has always been to use _javascript_ to determine the user's
time
zone offset and use that to calculate their local time from the UTC.

But one problem I foresee is after a time change (spring forward, fall
back).

Pretend for a moment that a transaction occurs on February 22nd, 2004 at
12:00pm

If I look up that transaction on February 25th the time will still show
12:00pm.

But what happens when I look up that transaction on May 1st, 2004?  My
time
zone offset is now different by an hour.  So, theoretically, the
transaction
from Feb 22nd will no longer return 12:00pm... It will be incorrect by
one
hour.

Does the built in ColdFusion function(s) account for this?  Or would one
have to use some other method to ensure accuracy?

We already know DateDiff does some quirky stuff... So that's what got me
thinking about this scenario...

On a different note... A completely different solution might be to
calculate
the user's local time on the fly and store it in the database record at
that
specific moment in time.  Of course this has it's own set of issues
too...

-Novak 
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Re: Best Practices

2003-12-17 Thread Paul Hastings
> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2002/06/13/php.html

i see, yes quite similar to resourceBundles except perhaps for the dir
requirement? i think there are java tools for something like this ("after
the fact i18n").

> The reason to try to use gettext instead of ResourceBundles in
> this case is that the code will have to coexist with PHP and Perl
> code in a shared repository (probably GForge). I want to leverage

oh boy. headaches just thinking about that.

> pretty much the same as your ResourceBundle.cfc only with a
> different input format.

well i finally figured out how to easily use "native" java resourceBundles,
managing the translations without something like rbManager was becoming a
huge pain, though the ease of use of simply opening notepad to edit utf-8
resourceBundles is still appealing.
http://www.sustainablegis.com/unicode/resourceBundle/javaRB.cfm
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RE: Weird Images issues...

2003-12-17 Thread Stephen Hait
> them on the server. When I look at them through either the web site
> or directly in the globalimages directory on a web browser I get
> nadda. No broken links just no image.

FWIW, I also don't see images displayed at 
http://www.lcgis.com/STAGE/index.htm.

I do see the directory listing in the GlobalImages directory but 
cannot actually view any of the images. And if I try to download 
an image from the listing by "Save target as..." I get a file 
downloaded with the image name but it ends up being zero bytes 
on my end.

Have you checked to see if you can access an image stored in 
the /STAGE directory from the /STAGE directory? If so, the 
/STAGE and /STAGE/GlobalImages directories may be set up 
somehow differently.

Stephen
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RE: 5.0 Development Practices

2003-12-17 Thread Samuel R. Neff
None of the new stuff really makes for better applications, just makes for
more options and more efficient programming.  You could write well-designed
applications without spaghetti code in CF3 and you can write the worse
spaghetti garbage in CFMX.  Just depends on the developer.

If you're looking for something to improve programming methodology with CF
specifically I would suggest looking at Fusebox (http://www.fusebox.org).
It's one option for organizing code.  Some people don't like it because it's
rigid, but most developers, particularly new ones, require a rigid framework
to keep from writing spaghetti.  I personally use Fusebox on every new
application I write and find it to be much better than the non-Fusebox apps
I have to maintain.

You may also find it helpful to read about programming methodology in
general, for which I would look at books like the following.  Their OOP
books but the concepts of encapsulating and organizing related code can be
applied to anything.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201485672/qid=107160/sr=2-1/ref=
sr_2_1/002-1364468-2643230

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201633612/qid%3D1071689033/sr%3D11-1
/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-1364468-2643230

HTH,

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: 5.0 Development Practices
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm fairly new to CF and I've just started an Application 
> that will run on a Coldfusion 5.0 server.
> 
> So far from all the resources I've been reading (net and 
> books) I'm beginning to get pretty annoyed at its lack of 
> 'features' compared to CFMX 6.0/6.1. So far as I can tell CF 
> Components, CFFUNCTION etc are only available in 6+, and I 
> keep coming across occasions when use of that sort of 
> functionality would be pretty beneficial!
> 
> At the moment, my application is very 'spaghetti' code-like, 
> with CFINCLUDES all over the shop. Is there any way round 
> this in CF 5.0 (and don't say upgrade!)?
> 
> Cheers,
> Rob
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Re: 5.0 Development Practices

2003-12-17 Thread Rick Root
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Yeah, I thought about doing that, but you can't perform queries... d'oh.

Not in UDFs, no... that's where custom tags come in.

  - Rick
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RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

2003-12-17 Thread Casey C Cook
Try <> ""

CC
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RE: UTC and daylight savings time...

2003-12-17 Thread Tony Weeg
I do just about what you do

1. set a _javascript_ cookie with persons time zone
2. read that time zone with cookie. cf variable
3. compare with server time zone.  

	if server time zone is -4 I know we are in dst, if server time zone
is -5 I know we are in est.
4. if server time zone is 4. I add an hour, if its -5 I leave it alone.
5. it's a bit screwy, but it works.

...tony

tony weeg
senior web applications architect
navtrak, inc.
www.navtrak.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
410.548.2337

-Original Message-
From: cf-talk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: UTC and daylight savings time...

While we're discussing best practices today I have a quick question
regarding time zones, UTC, etc, etc.

I believe that the preferred method of storing dates and times in your
database is in UTC.  I have no problem running all of the servers in the UTC
time zone even.

>From there it's a question of what's the best way to convert the UTC
back to the user's local time zone.

My practice has always been to use _javascript_ to determine the user's time
zone offset and use that to calculate their local time from the UTC.

But one problem I foresee is after a time change (spring forward, fall
back).

Pretend for a moment that a transaction occurs on February 22nd, 2004 at
12:00pm

If I look up that transaction on February 25th the time will still show
12:00pm.

But what happens when I look up that transaction on May 1st, 2004?  My time
zone offset is now different by an hour.  So, theoretically, the transaction
from Feb 22nd will no longer return 12:00pm... It will be incorrect by one
hour.

Does the built in ColdFusion function(s) account for this?  Or would one
have to use some other method to ensure accuracy?

We already know DateDiff does some quirky stuff... So that's what got me
thinking about this scenario...

On a different note... A completely different solution might be to calculate
the user's local time on the fly and store it in the database record at that
specific moment in time.  Of course this has it's own set of issues too...

-Novak
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CFTHROW in a CFC/Webservice

2003-12-17 Thread Alexander Sherwood
If you use CFTHROW within CFC that is invoked via a webservice, the default 
error returned is an Application/Axis fault. Is there any way to return 
just the native error type/information thrown in the CFC without the Axis 
wrapper?

How have others worked around this?

Thanks,

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Re: Logging out on session expiration under MX

2003-12-17 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
strange... dunno, I'm stumped at this point -- although I'd be willing
to take a look personally if you'd like to have a 2nd set of eyes on
it. Just shoot me a private email if so.

> No, it doesn't seem to be that. I am really baffled at
> what's going on.

> This app is based on modded version of FB 2.

> My index.cfm includes app_globals.cfm

> app_globals.cfm has this block:

> 
>  
> 

> _login.cfm has the security validation stuff.

> I set the session expiration to be really low, 3 minutes.

> When I refresh the page or do anything else in the app
> instead of being
> redirected to the login screen I get errors related to
> missing session
> variables, as they had expired - which should be caught in
> the
> app_globals.cfm (as the session.loggedin var has expired
> as well),  but it
> isn't.

> - Original Message -
> From: S. Isaac Dealey

> Hi Stas,

> Make sure your mx server isn't using a uuid for
> cfid/cftoken... I
> believe when this is the case it only uses the one
> variable, and so
> your cfif statement would return false when either one of
> the
> isdefined() returns false and your cookies wouldn't get
> reset to log
> the user out when the browser closes.

> That's the only thing that comes to mind for me at the
> moment.

> hth

>
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Re: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

2003-12-17 Thread Nick de Voil
Mark

> Update MyTable
> SET email = 
Len(FORM.email)>'#FORM.email#'NULL
> Where memberID = #FORM.memberID#

Looks good to me. Unless you want to use  -

http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/mx/coldfusion/articles/cfqueryparam.html

Nick
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RE: 5.0 Development Practices

2003-12-17 Thread rob.stokes
Yeah, I thought about doing that, but you can't perform queries... d'oh.

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 December 2003 7:00 pm
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: 5.0 Development Practices

You still have custom tags and udfs to play with.

 


 
    function noSpaghetti() {
..
    }

 


 
Not as good as cffunction, but still useful.

 
Ade

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 December 2003 18:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: 5.0 Development Practices

Hi all,

I'm fairly new to CF and I've just started an Application that will run on a
Coldfusion 5.0 server.

So far from all the resources I've been reading (net and books) I'm
beginning to get pretty annoyed at its lack of 'features' compared to CFMX
6.0/6.1. So far as I can tell CF Components, CFFUNCTION etc are only
available in 6+, and I keep coming across occasions when use of that sort of
functionality would be pretty beneficial!

At the moment, my application is very 'spaghetti' code-like, with CFINCLUDES
all over the shop. Is there any way round this in CF 5.0 (and don't say
upgrade!)?

Cheers,
Rob 
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Rick Root
Most of the ones out there support only Internet Explorer on Windows... 
but I like this one:

http://www.interactivetools.com/products/htmlarea/

They've got a new version in "beta" that also supports Mozilla 1.3+ on 
*ALL* platforms... so your Mac users using Safari can still get the HTML 
editing.

  - Rick
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RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

2003-12-17 Thread Adrian Lynch
Yup. But throw a Trim() around FORM.email to stop spaces getting in. If
that's a problem...

-Original Message-
From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 December 2003 18:57
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

I think you are all correct.  How would I solve a situation on a new insert
where the user posts an email address, but then sometime later comes back
and does a data update removing the address, I would want a NULL value then
be SET.  Is the statement below correct.


    Update MyTable
SET email = '#FORM.email#'NULL
    Where memberID = #FORM.memberID#

Thanks, Mark 

-Original Message-
From: Schuster, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

When you design a table you have a property called Allow Nulls, make sure
that it is checked. Then the default will be NULL and not " " or something
else. Then as inserts occur you can be assured that NULL fields are actually
NULL and not equivelant nulls like " " or Null typed into a varchar field.

I know it sounds odd, and it is, but that's the way NULLS are...

-Original Message-
From: Nick de Voil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

Mark

> All the empty fields in the email db contain 

How exactly do you know the email field is null? It seems to me that if
"WHERE L.email IS NOT NULL" returns the rows, then that's the surest proof
that the field is not null.

Nick
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RE: 5.0 Development Practices

2003-12-17 Thread Adrian Lynch
You still have custom tags and udfs to play with.

 


 
    function noSpaghetti() {
..
    }

 


 
Not as good as cffunction, but still useful.

 
Ade

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 December 2003 18:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: 5.0 Development Practices

Hi all,

I'm fairly new to CF and I've just started an Application that will run on a
Coldfusion 5.0 server.

So far from all the resources I've been reading (net and books) I'm
beginning to get pretty annoyed at its lack of 'features' compared to CFMX
6.0/6.1. So far as I can tell CF Components, CFFUNCTION etc are only
available in 6+, and I keep coming across occasions when use of that sort of
functionality would be pretty beneficial!

At the moment, my application is very 'spaghetti' code-like, with CFINCLUDES
all over the shop. Is there any way round this in CF 5.0 (and don't say
upgrade!)?

Cheers,
Rob 
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RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

2003-12-17 Thread Mark Leder
I think you are all correct.  How would I solve a situation on a new insert
where the user posts an email address, but then sometime later comes back
and does a data update removing the address, I would want a NULL value then
be SET.  Is the statement below correct.

 

    Update MyTable
SET email = '#FORM.email#'NULL
    Where memberID = #FORM.memberID#

Thanks, Mark 

-Original Message-
From: Schuster, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:46 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

When you design a table you have a property called Allow Nulls, make sure
that it is checked. Then the default will be NULL and not " " or something
else. Then as inserts occur you can be assured that NULL fields are actually
NULL and not equivelant nulls like " " or Null typed into a varchar field.

I know it sounds odd, and it is, but that's the way NULLS are...

-Original Message-
From: Nick de Voil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

Mark

> All the empty fields in the email db contain 

How exactly do you know the email field is null? It seems to me that if
"WHERE L.email IS NOT NULL" returns the rows, then that's the surest proof
that the field is not null.

Nick
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Re: 5.0 Development Practices

2003-12-17 Thread Rick Root
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 > So far from all the resources I've been reading (net and books) I'm
 > beginning to get pretty annoyed at its lack of 'features' compared to
 > CFMX 6.0/6.1. So far as I can tell CF Components, CFFUNCTION etc are
 > only available in 6+, and I keep coming across occasions when use of
 > that sort of functionality would be pretty beneficial!

Getting annoyed with a lack of features in old software compared to new 
software will get you nowhere :)

> At the moment, my application is very 'spaghetti' code-like, with 
> CFINCLUDES all over the shop. Is there any way round this in CF 5.0 (and 
> don't say upgrade!)?

Back in the old days, custom tags were all we had... I survived a long 
time without using even the UDF functionality available in 5.0 because I 
was SO used to doing things with custom tags.

But I still CFINCLUDE stuff too more often than not I use it for 
wrapping my site content within the template... maintaining the template 
in files called "above.cfm" and "below.cfm"

  - Rick
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UTC and daylight savings time...

2003-12-17 Thread cf-talk
While we're discussing best practices today I have a quick question
regarding time zones, UTC, etc, etc.

I believe that the preferred method of storing dates and times in your
database is in UTC.  I have no problem running all of the servers in the
UTC time zone even.

>From there it's a question of what's the best way to convert the UTC
back to the user's local time zone.

My practice has always been to use _javascript_ to determine the user's
time zone offset and use that to calculate their local time from the
UTC.

But one problem I foresee is after a time change (spring forward, fall
back).

Pretend for a moment that a transaction occurs on February 22nd, 2004 at
12:00pm

If I look up that transaction on February 25th the time will still show
12:00pm.

But what happens when I look up that transaction on May 1st, 2004?  My
time zone offset is now different by an hour.  So, theoretically, the
transaction from Feb 22nd will no longer return 12:00pm... It will be
incorrect by one hour.

Does the built in ColdFusion function(s) account for this?  Or would one
have to use some other method to ensure accuracy?

We already know DateDiff does some quirky stuff... So that's what got me
thinking about this scenario...

On a different note... A completely different solution might be to
calculate the user's local time on the fly and store it in the database
record at that specific moment in time.  Of course this has it's own set
of issues too...

-Novak
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RE: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Dan Farmer
Agreed! open source too... sweet!

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>From: "Schuster, Steven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: text editor for content manag. systems
>Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:17:38 -0500
>
>FCKEditor I think or is it FKEditor
>
>It's free and awesome...
>
>Steve
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Dan Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:03 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: text editor for content manag. systems
>
>I'm looking for a good text editor for content management systems. 
>Something
>
>I can basically plug into an app. Are there any good free or cheap ones
>around?
>
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>Producer / Coldfusion Developer
>http://www.bernardclark.com/danfarmer.ca
>
>P: 613.284.1684
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5.0 Development Practices

2003-12-17 Thread rob.stokes
Hi all,

I'm fairly new to CF and I've just started an Application that will run on a Coldfusion 5.0 server.

So far from all the resources I've been reading (net and books) I'm beginning to get pretty annoyed at its lack of 'features' compared to CFMX 6.0/6.1. So far as I can tell CF Components, CFFUNCTION etc are only available in 6+, and I keep coming across occasions when use of that sort of functionality would be pretty beneficial!

At the moment, my application is very 'spaghetti' code-like, with CFINCLUDES all over the shop. Is there any way round this in CF 5.0 (and don't say upgrade!)?

Cheers,
Rob
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RE: mySQL grabs 400mb RAM?

2003-12-17 Thread Barney Boisvert
How are you determinig it's eating 400m if the performance monitor only says
18m?  That's a lot of memory for MySQL, even with a pretty substantial
database with some decent load, unless you've specifically tuned it to use
more.

What table handlers are you using?  What's your my.cnf look like?  

> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 8:41 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: OT: mySQL grabs 400mb RAM?
> 
>  I've got three or four systems running mySQL.  One is running 4.0.16
> (current stable release) and the rest are running various alpha and
> betas of 4.01.
> 
> The 4.01.16 unit, when I fire up the mysql service, eats 400 mb of RAM
> on my system at startup.  Despite the fact that Win2k's performance
> monitor says its only eating about the usual 18 mb.
> 
> Anyone seen this before?  Know whats going on/how to fix it?  
> Seems like
> this could be a cache somewhere that is automatically firing up, but I
> can't find a setting for it.
> 
> 
>  Matt Robertson   [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  MSB Designs, Inc.  http://mysecretbase.com
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RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

2003-12-17 Thread Schuster, Steven
When you design a table you have a property called Allow Nulls, make sure
that it is checked. Then the default will be NULL and not " " or something
else. Then as inserts occur you can be assured that NULL fields are actually
NULL and not equivelant nulls like " " or Null typed into a varchar field.

 
I know it sounds odd, and it is, but that's the way NULLS are...

-Original Message-
From: Nick de Voil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:39 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

 
Mark

> All the empty fields in the email db contain 

How exactly do you know the email field is null? It seems to me that if
"WHERE L.email IS NOT NULL" returns the rows, then that's the surest proof
that the field is not null.

Nick
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Re: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

2003-12-17 Thread Nick de Voil
Mark

> All the empty fields in the email db contain 

How exactly do you know the email field is null? It seems to me that if
"WHERE L.email IS NOT NULL" returns the rows, then that's the surest proof
that the field is not null.

Nick
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RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

2003-12-17 Thread Tangorre, Michael
Is it a true NULL or the string "NULL". Sounds silly, but check it

-Original Message-
From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

Thanks for all your responses, unfortunately nothing has worked.  I did
verify that it was selecting from the correct table.
All the empty fields in the email db contain .  Good suggestion to try
<> ''.
I'm going to do a look up on a different criteria.

Thanks, Mark 

-Original Message-
From: Schuster, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

Is the field storing NULL or blanks space, there is a difference.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

How come a simple query like this still returns NULL for emails even though
my WHERE clause says to exclude them?  What am I doing wrong?  I've tried
both IS NOT NULL and <>.

SELECT L.email, L.firstname, L.lastname, L.directEmailTo  
FROM #REQUEST.prefix#_Members_List L
WHERE L.email IS NOT NULL
ORDER BY L.email

Thanks, Mark
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Re: Logging out on session expiration under MX

2003-12-17 Thread stas
No, it doesn't seem to be that. I am really baffled at what's going on.

This app is based on modded version of FB 2.

My index.cfm includes app_globals.cfm

app_globals.cfm has this block:


 


_login.cfm has the security validation stuff.

I set the session expiration to be really low, 3 minutes.

When I refresh the page or do anything else in the app instead of being
redirected to the login screen I get errors related to missing session
variables, as they had expired - which should be caught in the
app_globals.cfm (as the session.loggedin var has expired as well),  but it
isn't.

- Original Message -
From: S. Isaac Dealey

Hi Stas,

Make sure your mx server isn't using a uuid for cfid/cftoken... I
believe when this is the case it only uses the one variable, and so
your cfif statement would return false when either one of the
isdefined() returns false and your cookies wouldn't get reset to log
the user out when the browser closes.

That's the only thing that comes to mind for me at the moment.

hth
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RE: Weird Images issues...

2003-12-17 Thread Schuster, Steven
Let me rephrase ./ and / in the context of this site are the root
directories of the web server which is why I said what I said. Regardless ./
works just fine so that is not the problem.

 
S

-Original Message-
From: Plunkett, Matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Weird Images issues...

 
./  means the current directory. (I've never seen this in a web document
before either)
/ means the root directory of the webserver.

-Original Message-
From: Schuster, Steven
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Weird Images issues...

./ is just another way of saying /
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RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

2003-12-17 Thread Mark Leder
Thanks for all your responses, unfortunately nothing has worked.  I did
verify that it was selecting from the correct table.
All the empty fields in the email db contain .  Good suggestion to try
<> ''.
I'm going to do a look up on a different criteria.

Thanks, Mark 

-Original Message-
From: Schuster, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

Is the field storing NULL or blanks space, there is a difference.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

How come a simple query like this still returns NULL for emails even though
my WHERE clause says to exclude them?  What am I doing wrong?  I've tried
both IS NOT NULL and <>.

SELECT L.email, L.firstname, L.lastname, L.directEmailTo  
FROM #REQUEST.prefix#_Members_List L
WHERE L.email IS NOT NULL
ORDER BY L.email

Thanks, Mark
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RE: Weird Images issues...

2003-12-17 Thread Plunkett, Matt
./  means the current directory. (I've never seen this in a web document
before either)
/ means the root directory of the webserver.

-Original Message-
From: Schuster, Steven
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Weird Images issues...

./ is just another way of saying /
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Re: JavaScript Issue on CFMX 6.1

2003-12-17 Thread MILAN MUSHRAN
IE is very forgiving. This will not work in all the versions of Netscape.

>From: "Charlie Griefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: _javascript_ Issue on CFMX 6.1
>Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:01:44 -0700
>
>I think you're misreading.  he is using the proper hierarchy.  the function 
>was passed 'theForm' as an object, so a reference within the function to 
>theForm.EMailAddress.value is the same as 
>window.document.form1.EMailAddress.value.
>
>As far as why the form submits...it shouldn't matter whether or not you 
>have ASP or CF (or PHP or JSP etc) on the back end.  JS is all client side. 
>  It's submitting because there's an error somewhere in the JS (if you're 
>using IE, look at the bottom left corner as you hit submit, and you should 
>see a yellow error icon).
>
>The only thing I might suggest in looking at the code you posted is to 
>remove the parentheses from your return statements.
>
>eg do:  return false and return true instead of return (false) and return 
>(true).
>
>hth,
>Charlie
>
>   - Original Message -
>   From: MILAN MUSHRAN
>   To: CF-Talk
>   Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:54 AM
>   Subject: RE: _javascript_ Issue on CFMX 6.1
>
>
>   Change the name of the form to "theform". Also, try to get into the 
>habit of
>   using the proper hierarchy -
>   "window.document.formname.fieldname.value" for netscape compatibility.
>
>
>   >From: "Bailey, Neal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   >Subject: _javascript_ Issue on CFMX 6.1
>   >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:25:38 -0600
>   >
>   >Hey guys,
>   >
>   >I need a little _javascript_ help. I use the following script to validate 
>two
>   >form fields. It's an either or script and it works on an ASP page but 
>when
>   >running on CF MX 6.1 it only partially works. When you get prompted to 
>fill
>   >in the requested field and select "OK" to continue it still process the
>   >form
>   >instead of halting. Any ideas...
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >  
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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Massimo Foti
> FCKEditor I think or is it FKEditor
>
> It's free and awesome...
>
Yes, this one is pretty impressive.

If you would like to see one of these editors integrated in DW, grab the
extension from here:

http://www.massimocorner.com/beta/cf.htm


Massimo Foti
Certified Dreamweaver MX Developer
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
http://www.massimocorner.com/

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RE: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Matt Robertson
http://www.fredck.com/fckeditor/ is the best free one out there.  I put
it into my freebie CMLite cms, and have some file and image uploader
improvements in there.  Easy to chop out and use for whatever you want.


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Re: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Darron J. Schall
soEditor lite is good, and free.

http://www.siteobjects.com/pages/soeditor.cfm

-d
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dan Farmer 
  To: CF-Talk 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:02 PM
  Subject: text editor for content manag. systems

  I'm looking for a good text editor for content management systems. Something 
  I can basically plug into an app. Are there any good free or cheap ones 
  around?
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RE: Weird Images issues...

2003-12-17 Thread Schuster, Steven
./ is just another way of saying /

 
My UNIX shows through every now and then, but that's not it. The problem is
I can see the images in thumbnail view and when viewing them on the server.
When I look at them through either the web site or directly in the
globalimages directory on a web browser I get nadda. No broken links just no
image.

 
Really really really weird.

-Original Message-
From: Roth, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Weird Images issues...

 
Steven,
1-  When I go to the index.htm file
http://www.lcgis.com/STAGE/index.htm  
I _do not_ see the images.  Methinks you need to clear your cache...

2-  The source for that file lists all the image references as 
src="" width="" height="" alt="" border="">.  I
don't think I've ever seen a path with "./" in the beginning.  Could that be
the problem?

J.B. Roth
Web Developer

> -Original Message-
> From: CF-Talk [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Weird Images issues...
> From: "Schuster, Steven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:45:09 -0500
> Thread:
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messages

&threadid=2
> 9343&forumid=4#147239
> 
> Yeah, it is really freaky weird. Oh well, on to other things...I'll let
> you
> all know what it was when I fix it.
>  
> Steve
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: Turetsky, Seth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:41 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Weird Images issues...
>  
> What's weird is that you can view the source after clicking on an image,
> so
> it's an html page that is loading, not the image.  something is up with
> your
> webserver, at least i think
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Schuster, Steven [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Weird Images issues...
> 
> Ok, would that explain why I can see them in the file browser or when
> viewing the page offline??? That's why this is kicking my butt, it just
> doesn't make any sense...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jeff Garza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 1:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Weird Images issues...
> 
> 
> It appears that your files are damaged.  I can't open them with Fireworks
> either.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jeff
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Schuster, Steven 
>   To: CF-Talk 
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 11:39 AM
>   Subject: Weird Images issues...
> 
>   Ok, here is some weirdness for you...
> 
>   http://www.lcgis.com/STAGE/GlobalImages
 
>  
>  
>    
> 
>   See the list of images, click one, does it show up...mine don't. No
> matter
>   what I do they do not appear in the browser. However if I view folder in
>   Thumbnail mode I can see them all. To boot if I go to the STAGE
> directory
>   and open up Index.htm as a File->Open in IE they show up as well. This
> seems
>   to be something with IIS and the folder.
> 
>   I have set all permissions to full and made sure they were not read only
> or
>   something. I also checked in IIS and turned on browse to that folder so
> I
>   could see that they were indeed there
> 
>   This is a Win 2K3 box running the latest and greatest IIS.
> 
>   Any help, any ideas. I have never ever had this happen before
> 
>   Thanks,
>   Steve
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RE: text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Schuster, Steven
FCKEditor I think or is it FKEditor

 
It's free and awesome...

 
Steve

-Original Message-
From: Dan Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: text editor for content manag. systems

 
I'm looking for a good text editor for content management systems. Something

I can basically plug into an app. Are there any good free or cheap ones 
around?

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text editor for content manag. systems

2003-12-17 Thread Dan Farmer
I'm looking for a good text editor for content management systems. Something 
I can basically plug into an app. Are there any good free or cheap ones 
around?

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RE: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

2003-12-17 Thread Adrian Lynch
If the other suggestions don't work, try seeing what REQUEST.prefix is
turning into, you may be looking at the wrong table.

 
Ade

-Original Message-
From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 17 December 2003 17:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: MS-SQL 2000 NULL Problem

How come a simple query like this still returns NULL for emails even though
my WHERE clause says to exclude them?  What am I doing wrong?  I've tried
both IS NOT NULL and <>.

SELECT L.email, L.firstname, L.lastname, L.directEmailTo  
FROM #REQUEST.prefix#_Members_List L
WHERE L.email IS NOT NULL
ORDER BY L.email

Thanks, Mark 
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