Re: Mail Server Software

[phillip]

> Also, Imail is a fine product that can be easily extensible with a variety
of 3rd party tools
> (i.e. Declude.com). Bottom line is that Imail is a very very developed
> product that is very powerful in the right hands.
>

s/can be easily/is very

Apologies,

Phil


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IgniteFusion anyone?

[Ryan Jones]

IgniteFusion has just released a new version of their CFML engine.

I wanted to re-ask my question about whether anyone here had experience with 
IgniteFusion in a production environment?  Is IF a real option for powering a 
live website?

I am very interested in use CFML on our news/community sites, but can't afford 
CFMX or Bluedragon at present.  (I know Bluedragon has a free version, but even 
that doesn't allow you to sell products or support SSL).

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Re: Mail Server Software

[phillip]

>
> 3. Did I mention the web interface?
>

Just my 2.5 cents:

The interface is very nice. I have not seen the documentation of its
capabilities. I am sure it is a great product... However.. and you knew that
was coming... Imail's interface is totally customizable ( Apache webserver
and parsed via Perl on top of a windows platform) and its backend is
compatible with a variety of ODBC compliant databases (including MS SQL).
Imail's peering capability also makes it very scalable. Also, Imail is a
fine product that can be easily extensible with a variety of 3rd party tools
(i.e. Declude.com). Bottom line is that Imail is a very very developed
product that is very powerful in the right hands.

Truth be know, I'll take Sendmail, Exim, QMail on BSD (all free) any day of
the week over any "doze" based email system. Also, for a web frontend,
Squirrel Mail is in PHP, completely customizable, and free (open source).
IMHO, the nature of mail servers (handling and filtering the worst traffic
the Internet can offer), dictates that doze is not the safest choice for
high risk daemons like SMTP, POP or IMAP.

Warmest Regards,

Phillip B. Holmes (not employed by IPSwitch)

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Verity searching a database table

[Ryan Sabir]

Hey all,

On a site I manage there is the facility to search through forum posts
for particular keywords. This is currently being done through a simple
'LIKE' query in SQL, and its starting to become very inefficient.

I was looking at how I can optimise this and investigated Verity. From
what I can tell, to get Verity to index a database table, you first
need to query the entire table, then index that query result. I don't
think this is going to work for me, as the table I want to index is
over 800 MB in size.

Is there another way to build a Verity collection based on the database
table, that perhaps can be done incrementally?

I've been looking for info online about this, but it seems pretty
sparse...

thanks, bye!

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OT: New Fusion Authority Out (143)!

[Judith Dinowitz]

We've got some nice juicy tidbits in this issue, including:

*** House of Fusion Now on Blackstone!

House of Fusion and Fusion Authority are on Blackstone NOW!

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article1.cfm/ArticleID=4348

*** Refining the Search Experience: Macromedia's New Knowledge Base

What is Macromedia's new Knowledge Base? What's it like and how well does it 
work? Ryan Hartwich, MMUG Manager and Fusion Authority reporter, brings you 
this special in-depth look at Macromedia's new developer search engine.

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article1.cfm/ArticleID=4337

*** Behold, the Power of Threads!

Damon Cooper tells us how you can make your CFM pages much faster using 
Blackstone's multi-threading feature! (As mentioned on CF-Talk)

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article1.cfm/ArticleID=4349

*** Designing with CSS Series

Macromedia is doing a new "Designing with CSS" Series that takes you through 
some of the basics of CSS.

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article1.cfm/ArticleID=4339

*** Considerations in Developing ColdFusion Applications in Enterprise and 
Government Organizations

 These are the things that every developer must consider when developing 
ColdFusion applications for an enterprise or government organization. 

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4341

*** Delivering Flash Video: Dynamic Bandwidth Detection with Macromedia Flash 
Communication Server

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4338

*** Developing and Adapting Flash Games for Flash Lite 1.1

Chris Petty discusses making a web-developed Flash game compatible with Flash 
Lite 1.1, as well as some things to consider when developing for the mobile 
phone market. 

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4340

*** Integrating Contribute Publishing Services with ColdFusion

Learn how to create a dynamic ColdFusion search interface that updates every 
time a user changes a page in Contribute! 

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4342

*** Microsoft Rolls out Second Interim Beta of SQL Server 2005

Microsoft Corp. released its second Community Technology Preview of SQL Server 
2005 and rolled out a new, free tool to manage SQL Server 2000 and MSDE 
(Microsoft Desktop Engine) 2000.

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4343

*** Mozilla's Thunderbird Shows Promise

eWeek does a very positive (and thorough) review of Thunderbird, Mozilla's new 
open-source email client.

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4345

*** Enemies in Disguise

The Gartner Group has warned that iPods could be used to download sensitive 
information from a company's network. Find out why and how to contain this 
risk. 

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4344

*** Built-In 10 Gigabit Beckons to Enterprise Sites

With the news that some major companies (such as Hewlett Packard and Sun) would 
be building in 10 gigabit capacity into their products, megabandwidth becomes 
more of a reality. Read about it here in this eweek opinion piece. 

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4346

*** Flash Makes a Splash in Gadgets

You can expect to see Flash in new places: POS (point-of-sales/service) 
terminals, personal organizers, PC replacements, small-screen airline 
entertainment devices, real-time securities trading terminals, digital signs, 
and more. 

http://www.fusionauthority.com/Article.cfm/ArticleID=4347

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Re: BUT what does it &@#$%^ DO?????

[Sean Corfield]

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:20:28 -0500, Adam Churvis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Plum Framework is intended to become a standard framework for ColdFusion
> development.  It's a rich framework that contains many useful services and
> reusable code libraries.

So in addition to being a Windows-only IDE, it's also a competing
framework to Fusebox, Mach II, onTap and so on?

Is the Plum framework usable separately? Is it documented separately?
-- 
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Re: Mail Server Software

[Jamie Price]

- Sorry about the delay on SmarterMail; I missed this topic when it first came 
around.  Or were you talking about alpacas being cheaper for the future?  ;-)

If I were you I'd looking to selling your Imail license ASAP and pick up 
SmarterMail.  Trust me it will save you soo much heartache in the 
long run.

- Dave, you should really think about getting back on your meds.

"I take the Zoloft to keep from killin' ya'll." - Mike Tyson

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CF/Acobat multiple page forms

[Al Musella, DPM]

Hi.
I want to create a .pdf that contains multiple pages with forms filled 
in with data from cf.
I found how to create a pdf with a  single form with filled in data 
using  an .fdf  file, but I can't find the syntax of the fdf file format 
(you have to pay to get the adobe documentation on it)
Does someone have a sample fdf file that they could post?

to clarify... the form that gets filled in is a 1 page form, but I print 
them in batches... so instead of creating 50 pdfs and printing each 
separately, I want to create 1 pdf that has all 50 forms, so I can  print 
it once.
by the way - it is cfmx on windows

thanks
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Re: Mail Server Software

[dave]

ok that does it!! im switching to frontpage and baraging your bboards with 
questions such as "whats css & why do i need it when im using this great 
wussywig"
& "compliance? why the hell would i want that?" & "damn did this cool asp stuff 
just come out?" 

and last but not least "dude,  friggin rocks!"

-- Original Message --
From: Jamie Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:50:14 -0400

>That does it.  All of your email will now be sent via a printout attached to 
>an alpaca.
>
>

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RE: Mail Server Software

[Burns, John D]

GreaaNOW you send this out.  This looks awesome, and we just bought 
iMail a month ago.  That really sucks because I agree that this looks a lot 
better and a lot cheaper.  Oh well, I guess it's something to consider for the 
future.
 
John Burns



From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 12/14/2004 9:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Mail Server Software



HostMySite.com is converting over from IpSwitch Imail Server to SmarterTools 
SmarterMail as of TOMORROW.  I'm the email administrator for HMS, and let me 
tell you I will breath a sigh of relief when we get this up and running and all 
of our 30 or so Imail servers migrated over.  We've done some prelim testing 
and found SmarterMail to be far better than Imail in the performance 
department.  Two big considerations:

1. Imail's webmail client vs SmarterMail webmail
It's like comparing the fake rock you gave your first wife to the Hope Diamond.

2. Imail stores the email for each folder in a single text-format .mbx file.  
This can result in some HUGE files that degrade server performance considerably 
(thing fragmentation).  Smartermail on the other hand stores emails as they are 
meant to be - a separate file for each.

3. Did I mention the web interface?

Here's a sample for you:

http://www.hostmysite.com/smartermaildemo
E-mail Address: demo@ hostmysite.com
Password: demo 

  If you have any other questions about SmarterMail, let me know I'll be happy 
to clarify.



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Re: Mail Server Software

[Jamie Price]

That does it.  All of your email will now be sent via a printout attached to an 
alpaca.

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Re: Mail Server Software

[dave]

u best be doing MINE 1st!

then we can change your www.jamie.theman to www.jamie.themailman ;)
haha


-- Original Message --
From: Jamie Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:35:47 -0400

>HostMySite.com is converting over from IpSwitch Imail Server to SmarterTools 
>SmarterMail as of TOMORROW.  I'm the email administrator for HMS, and let me 
>tell you I will breath a sigh of relief when we get this up and running and 
>all of our 30 or so Imail servers migrated over.  We've done some prelim 
>testing and found SmarterMail to be far better than Imail in the performance 
>department.  Two big considerations:
>
>1. Imail's webmail client vs SmarterMail webmail
>It's like comparing the fake rock you gave your first wife to the Hope Diamond.
>
>2. Imail stores the email for each folder in a single text-format .mbx file.  
>This can result in some HUGE files that degrade server performance 
>considerably (thing fragmentation).  Smartermail on the other hand stores 
>emails as they are meant to be - a separate file for each.
>
>3. Did I mention the web interface?
>
>Here's a sample for you:
>
>http://www.hostmysite.com/smartermaildemo
>E-mail Address: demo@ hostmysite.com 
>Password: demo  
>
>  If you have any other questions about SmarterMail, let me know I'll be happy 
> to clarify.
>
>

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Re: Mail Server Software

[Jamie Price]

HostMySite.com is converting over from IpSwitch Imail Server to SmarterTools 
SmarterMail as of TOMORROW.  I'm the email administrator for HMS, and let me 
tell you I will breath a sigh of relief when we get this up and running and all 
of our 30 or so Imail servers migrated over.  We've done some prelim testing 
and found SmarterMail to be far better than Imail in the performance 
department.  Two big considerations:

1. Imail's webmail client vs SmarterMail webmail
It's like comparing the fake rock you gave your first wife to the Hope Diamond.

2. Imail stores the email for each folder in a single text-format .mbx file.  
This can result in some HUGE files that degrade server performance considerably 
(thing fragmentation).  Smartermail on the other hand stores emails as they are 
meant to be - a separate file for each.

3. Did I mention the web interface?

Here's a sample for you:

http://www.hostmysite.com/smartermaildemo
E-mail Address: demo@ hostmysite.com 
Password: demo  

  If you have any other questions about SmarterMail, let me know I'll be happy 
to clarify.

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Re: CFMX + MySQL Query Problem

[Jamie Price]

>Jamie Price wrote:
>
>
>SELECT   o.UserID, GROUP_CONCAT(o.CardID)
>FROM mycards t INNER JOIN mycards o ON t.cardid = o.cardid
>WHEREt.trade = 1
>  AND
>  o.own = 1
>  AND
>  t.UserID = cfsqltype="cf_sql_integer">
>GROUP BY o.UserID
>
>Jochem

I tried replacing my 2nd query with that code (the qGetMatches query) and got 
the following error:

Error Executing Database Query.  
Syntax error or access violation: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check 
the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax 
to use near '(o.CardID) FROM mycards t INNER JOIN mycards o ON t.  
  
The error occurred in C:\Websites\mtgotradingpos\traders\match3.cfm: line 43
 
41 :  o.own = 1 
42 :  AND 
43 :  t.UserID =  
44 :  GROUP BY o.UserID 
45 :  

 Keep in mind I'm using MySQL v4.0.18 as my database solution - would your code 
be compatible with that?

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CFEXECUTE Weirdness

[Burns, John D]

I'm trying to use CFEXECUTE to automate some stuff with iMail.  iMail comes 
with some .exe files for scripting various tasks such as domain creation, user 
creation, etc.  One of the files is called adddomain.exe and I am using it to 
add a new domain to the imail server.  I tested on a quick sample page and it 
worked fine, so I started building a CFC with it.  Right now, the CFC can add a 
domain and remove a domain.  I've added 4 or 5 test domains and removed them.  
The problem that I've found is that when I add a new domain, it actually adds 
all of the domains that I added up to this point (the ones I already deleted).  
I can't figure out what's going on, but it seems like the commands are somehow 
being cached and everytime the adddomain.exe file is run, it just appends the 
new command to the end of the past commands and runs all of them.  Does anyone 
have any idea where I should start on this?  I'm assuming there's some kind of 
caching going on, but I'm not sure if it's within CF or within the iMail .exe 
or what.  I tried restarting the CF service but that doesn't seem to fix the 
problem.  I've also restarted all of the iMail services to no avail.  Please 
help if you have ANY idea on how to track down and fix this issue.  Thanks a 
ton in advance!
 
John Burns


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Re: Server Time/Date

[Mike Kear]

Dont worry you'll get the 5 minutes back when summer comes and they
take it off us here in Australia.


Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
.com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year





On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:27:56 -0400, Andrew Grosset <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll have to tell my hosting provider (one of the largest around) to get 
> their act togetherthey've just restarted the server, again, and lost 5 
> mins from yesterday..!!
> 
> 

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Re: Mail Server Software

[Jim McAtee]

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Mail Server Software


>>Does anyone have any performance comparisons between SM and Imail?
>
> There was a lot of anecdotal reporting going on among server admins
> firing up SM and saying it seemed to handle load as well or better
> than IMail.  No one who switched or fired up new servers on SM came
> back and said anything bad about it.

Given the extremely fragmented nature of the Windows mail server market 
(there are dozens, at least) what was the cause of this mass exodus from 
iMail to SmarterMail?  SmarterMail sounds like a fairly immature product 
and I would think there are more attractive servers available for large 
installations. 


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RE: Axis error on OS X

[dave]

axis used an older driver till 6.1 so it wouldnt work right if u havent updated 
yet

 

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RE: Consuming Web Services

[Dave Watts]

> Yeah I wish I could use Flash Remoting but no chance because 
> the web service is actually running on a machine within the 
> client's LAN, accessible only via secure shell tunnel from 
> the webserver (and hence the coldfusion app server). Bit of a 
> nightmare, looks like the best option might be to try and 
> reverse engineer the WSDL interface from the SOAP templates 
> as Barney suggested.

If they wrote the web service with a standard toolkit like Axis or .NET's
web services stuff, they'll also have WSDL URLs. Have you asked them for
WSDL URLs? You should do this before you try reverse-engineering WSDL from
sample SOAP envelopes - you don't have nearly enough information from your
sample SOAP to make this easy.

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RE: Axis error on OS X

[James Holmes]

Let me guess - you have installed the 6.1 Updater?

-Original Message-
From: Anthony Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 14 December 2004 11:12 
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Axis error on OS X

Hi,

I'm running CFMX 6.1 on Tomcat on OS X everything works fine apart from web
services, if I try to call:

   http://localhost:8080/cfusion/services/sample.cfc

I just get:

   AXIS error
   No service is available at this URL

And if I try:

   http://localhost:8080/cfusion/services/sample.cfc?wsdl

It reports:

   AXIS error
   Could not generate WSDL!
   There is no SOAP service at this location

I've googled extensively on this and hunted around on MM but nothing useful
has turned up. Any suggestions?

TIA,
Ant




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Re: BUT what does it &@#$%^ DO?????

[Adam Churvis]

> To be honest, I've visited the Plum site and I still don't really
> understand what it actually does. It doesn't sound like it supports
> any of the standard frameworks and it doesn't work on Mac or Linux it
> seems.

The Plum Framework is intended to become a standard framework for ColdFusion
development.  It's a rich framework that contains many useful services and
reusable code libraries.

The Plum IDE is built on the .NET Framework, so it runs on Windows OSes only
right now, but the generated code will run on any platform.  We'll soon see
how the Plum IDE runs on Mono, but I'm not counting on anything.

> The closest thing that comes to mind is Synthis Adalon - but when I
> asked on one of the lists whether it is meant to be a competitor to
> Adalon, no one responded.

As best as I can tell, Adalon generates only the shells into which you have
to handcraft all your own code, but it's still one hell of a cool product.
It also generates documentation and other useful stuff.  Everyone should
check out Adalon to see if it fits your bill.  I hear the guys who run the
company are very helpful, too.  I've met them a couple of times and they
were very knowledgeable.

Respectfully,

Adam Phillip Churvis
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RE: Mail Server Software

[Michael Dinowitz]

The basics for a mail server UI are there in Fusionmail and the next version
has a spamnfilter built in using spam assassin. I'm working on my anti-spam
code for a work project and may just release it for use as well. Between iMS
and my own code I'll be relatively spam free without losing 'real' posts.

> That said, I don't know if I'd run it as our primary. The thought of
> having
> to write a mail server from scratch with all the functionality in an
> application like modusMail is pretty daunting. Building a spam filtering
> engine alone is not insignificant, much less keeping up with it.
> 
> Ben Rogers
> http://www.c4.net
> v.508.240.0051
> f.508.240.0057
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 5:38 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Mail Server Software
> >
> > I'll just chime in and say that iMS has been perfect for our needs. That
> > and
> > some custom list code makes the HoF system sing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: OMG A CFM JOB! the gods have answered!

[dave]

dang it, ripped out the message, grrr

Date:  Wednesday, December 8, 2004 
Subject:  Job Opening: Sr. Cold Fusion Developer

Breckenridge Communications, a growing software/internet application
development shop in Denver, has an immediate opening for a senior Cold
Fusion developer for a 1 year contract with the possibility of a permanent
position following a 2 month review.

This opportunity will require that the candidate have extensive experience
and expert level knowledge with ColdFusion application development, and the
ability to understand complex databases and write PL-SQL.

This position will entail working onsite within the client's team
environment with project engineers, senior database developers, and fellow
developers.  As a result, the candidate must communicate effectively, be
team oriented and well organized.
 
Finally, the candidate must also possess the integrity, commitment
and problem solving skills to contribute effectively to our team.

The candidate will work out of the client's offices in Lakewood.

Breckenridge Communications (www.breckcomm.com) is a software and
Internet strategy, design and development firm in Denver, CO. We are
adept at understanding business processes that account for, or
inhibit, a company's financial performance. As a solution provider, 
we help clients leverage or create technologies, expertise and
processes to improve profitability and deliver a competitive
advantage.

To apply, please email your resume and professional references to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Also, please state
your desired contracting rates (preferably on a 1099 or corp to corp basis).
No agencies or recruiters please.

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RE: Consuming Web Services

[dave]

ok i thought u were gunna be running it inhouse, i dont know why but i did

i have no idea how to do what barney suggested
u can email rob at the denvercfug and im sure he will send u the presentaion 
and your answer could be in there

probably was the part were i was stuffing my face with pizza ;)

-- Original Message --
From: "Clark Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:21:12 -0800

>Yeah I wish I could use Flash Remoting but no chance because the web service
>is actually running on a machine within the client's LAN, accessible only
>via secure shell tunnel from the webserver (and hence the coldfusion app
>server). Bit of a nightmare, looks like the best option might be to try and
>reverse engineer the WSDL interface from the SOAP templates as Barney
>suggested.
>
>Clark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:23 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Consuming Web Services
>
>
>if i was u i would change this over to flash remoting 
>be awhole lot faster with a lot less overhead, since it looks fairly simple
>in reguards to the returned info
>
>u could even do it with flash vars from the cfc
>
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:20:44 -0500
>
>>> My client has actually supplied all the SOAP templates so I
>>> do know what the service is expecting, just uncertain of how 
>>> to invoke the service in the absence of WSDL. Wish I was at 
>>> the DenverCFUG meeting, it sounds like it would have been 
>>> enlightening. Sincerely hope there is a way to consume a SOAP 
>>> service, any links/tutorials greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Didn't they provide WSDL URLs? It's pretty uncommon to have SOAP 
>>services without having WSDL interface descriptions.
>>
>>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>>http://www.figleaf.com/
>>phone: 202-797-5496
>>fax: 202-797-5444
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Server Time/Date

[Andrew Grosset]

I'll have to tell my hosting provider (one of the largest around) to get their 
act togetherthey've just restarted the server, again, and lost 5 mins from 
yesterday..!!

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RE: Consuming Web Services

[Clark Slater]

Yeah I wish I could use Flash Remoting but no chance because the web service
is actually running on a machine within the client's LAN, accessible only
via secure shell tunnel from the webserver (and hence the coldfusion app
server). Bit of a nightmare, looks like the best option might be to try and
reverse engineer the WSDL interface from the SOAP templates as Barney
suggested.

Clark

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Consuming Web Services


if i was u i would change this over to flash remoting 
be awhole lot faster with a lot less overhead, since it looks fairly simple
in reguards to the returned info

u could even do it with flash vars from the cfc


-- Original Message --
From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:20:44 -0500

>> My client has actually supplied all the SOAP templates so I
>> do know what the service is expecting, just uncertain of how 
>> to invoke the service in the absence of WSDL. Wish I was at 
>> the DenverCFUG meeting, it sounds like it would have been 
>> enlightening. Sincerely hope there is a way to consume a SOAP 
>> service, any links/tutorials greatly appreciated.
>
>Didn't they provide WSDL URLs? It's pretty uncommon to have SOAP 
>services without having WSDL interface descriptions.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/
>phone: 202-797-5496
>fax: 202-797-5444
>
>
>



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RE: OMG A CFM JOB! the gods have answered!

[dave]

thats what i figured but it still had the cf-talk addy on it

thanks


-- Original Message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Dinowitz)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:58:54 -0500

>Because the thread has been moved to CF-Community and your not subscribed to
>that list. I'll alter the message so you know which list your not subscribed
>to.
> 
>> michael
>> i been replying to the best 3 areas for jobs but it comes back saying im
>> not subscribed??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>

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RE: Error handling on db queries

[Pascal Peters]

Use try/catch. There is a variable in the cfcatch struct that tells you
the error code. If the error code is the one for "Lost connection to
MySQL server during query", do a cflocation.

Pascal

> -Original Message-
> From: Evan Schott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 15 December 2004 00:00
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Error handling on db queries
> 
> I get frequent database errors with the message "Lost connection to
MySQL
> server during query". A simple page refresh will resubmit the query
and
> the page loads properly. Does anyone have any tips on how to handle
this
> type of error so it retries the query before sending the user to an
error
> page? Thanks!
> 
> 

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Error handling on db queries

[Evan Schott]

I get frequent database errors with the message "Lost connection to MySQL 
server during query". A simple page refresh will resubmit the query and the 
page loads properly. Does anyone have any tips on how to handle this type of 
error so it retries the query before sending the user to an error page? Thanks!

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RE: Passing variable in cffile-solved

[Eric Creese]

I think I got it now

-Original Message-
From: Joe Rinehart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Passing variable in cffile


Hi Eric,

Using "#updir#\small" is fine, unless you're on a Unix box, in which
case you'd want "#updir#/small".

The most likely reason for the error is that the
"C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\images\2" directory doesn't existI
imagine you made "..\images" by hand, but if the "2" is a variable
specific to this image, or a page, or something like that, you'll need
to use CFDIRECTORY to create it before storing the file in it.

Cheers,

Joe


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:11:09 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> is the problem on your local server or the live server?
> 
> remember the path will be different between the 2 and i usually have both in 
> the application page but comment 1 out depending on if its live or local
> 
> also
> destination="#updir#\small\"
> 
> should be
> destination="#updir#/small/"
> 
> on the live server
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Eric Creese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:55:46 -0600
> 
> >trying to pass a vaiable intot the destination field of CFFILE tag and it 
> >pukes. I always thought this could be done? I keep getting an error.
> >
> >Attribute validation error for tag CFFILE.
> >The value of the attribute destination, which is currently 
> >"C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\images\2\small\", is invalid. The error 
> >occurred in C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\x_admin_edit2.cfm: line 49
> >47 :>48 : destination="#updir#\small\"
> >49 : nameconflict="makeunique"
> >50 : filefield="himage"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 



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RE: UDF required=no complaining

[Damien McKenna]

> -Original Message-
> From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> 
> If you use positional parameters (myFunc(x, y, z)) then they 
> are passed in order.  If you use named parameters 
> (myFunc(arg1 = x, arg2 = y, arg3 = z)) then they are passed 
> according to the names.

Thanks.

> If you want to pass a specific argument with positional 
> notation, you must pass EVERY argument that is listed before, 
> regardless of whether they are optional or not.  No such 
> limitation exists with named parameters, just name the ones 
> you want to pass and send them in.

If I'd turned the page from where I was in the book I would have found
that.  Doh!  Thanks for explaining it.

-- 
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Re: Passing variable in cffile

[Joe Rinehart]

Hi Eric,

Using "#updir#\small" is fine, unless you're on a Unix box, in which
case you'd want "#updir#/small".

The most likely reason for the error is that the
"C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\images\2" directory doesn't existI
imagine you made "..\images" by hand, but if the "2" is a variable
specific to this image, or a page, or something like that, you'll need
to use CFDIRECTORY to create it before storing the file in it.

Cheers,

Joe


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:11:09 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> is the problem on your local server or the live server?
> 
> remember the path will be different between the 2 and i usually have both in 
> the application page but comment 1 out depending on if its live or local
> 
> also
> destination="#updir#\small\"
> 
> should be
> destination="#updir#/small/"
> 
> on the live server
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Eric Creese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:55:46 -0600
> 
> >trying to pass a vaiable intot the destination field of CFFILE tag and it 
> >pukes. I always thought this could be done? I keep getting an error.
> >
> >Attribute validation error for tag CFFILE.
> >The value of the attribute destination, which is currently 
> >"C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\images\2\small\", is invalid. The error 
> >occurred in C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\x_admin_edit2.cfm: line 49
> >47 :>48 : destination="#updir#\small\"
> >49 : nameconflict="makeunique"
> >50 : filefield="himage"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!

[Dave Watts]

> Silence the dissenters. Hitler practiced that concept well!

Yes, well I can certainly see your point with that analogy. Presumably,
after the putsch, those who disagree with Team Macromedia will be rounded up
for extermination, whether they use .NET or simply want CF to be better. I'm
sure this was covered at MAX.

> Silencing unhappy CF'ers who are having to diversify due to 
> the lack of CF jobs, and are willing to subject themselves to 
> ridicule by their peers, is NOT a good thing.

Obviously, you haven't been silenced. However, you open yourself to ridicule
by the quality of your arguments. It's one thing to say that you're unhappy
because there are more .NET jobs than CF jobs. It's another thing to say
that this is because of specific features or lack thereof. Statements like
that need proof to be useful.
 
> I'm sorry if I offended people by saying we've been lulled to 
> sleep. Maybe I should've said we're being complacent instead. 
> And Macromedia *might* be too complacent about this whole 
> situation. SOME of Team MM seems to be at least. I think we 
> all need to see the big picture, and shoot higher than we 
> are. Maybe it's .NET sexiness right now, maybe it's not. But 
> even if it is, will it hurt to try and push CF? And figure 
> out EXACTLY why so many are moving to .NET right now?

Personally, I wasn't offended until you Godwinized the thread with your
absurd Nazi reference. But if you want to change people's minds about a
subject, you need to present rational arguments beyond "seeing the big
picture" and "shooting higher". So far, your arguments can be condensed to
"I'm having trouble finding work" and "Tim so-and-so said .NET is serious
programming and CF isn't." Honestly, what kind of response did you expect?

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Re: Mail Server Software

[Matt Robertson]

> Matt, does SmarterMail do a pretty good job filtering out spam without
> constant babysitting?

No, its tools are immature in my opinion.  Worse than IMail if thats
possible.  To get Imail to do a halfway decent job you needed a
third-party add-on like Declude, MXGaurd or ASSP.  I bought Declude
myself, and found it to be best suited to someone who wants to be
hands on every day in the war on spam.  I got tired of that after
about 2 yrs and switched to ASSP (assp.sourceforge.net) a year ago and
never looked back.  Totally hands-off after the initial training
period.

When IMail was pulled from the market the 3rd party companies that
depended on it started scrambling.  MXGaurd told me they would have a
version working with SmarterMail by mid-December.  Expect Declude to
be there in the same ballpark.

>Does anyone have any performance comparisons between SM and Imail?

There was a lot of anecdotal reporting going on among server admins
firing up SM and saying it seemed to handle load as well or better
than IMail.  No one who switched or fired up new servers on SM came
back and said anything bad about it.

Frankly the biggest impact I experienced was with SM's stellar web
mail client, which includes a cross-browser wysiwyg editor.  Clients
love it -- especially considering IMail's relatively primitive web
interface.

>Especially the migration tools they offer for imail admins

On one server I rolled over 40 domains and several hundred users'
email with no complaints.  All passwords xferred fine along with mail
on the server.  It was a nice, simple process.

>aside from looking like some program by some company i really dont like
>icewarp looks decent

Thats the Merak mail server, Icewarp is the actual developer.  In
Czech Republic I think.  Their US reseller is in VA and the VisNetic
mail server is also Merak rebranded.  Its big, bad, powerful as you'll
ever want and priced accordingly, although still cheap compared to
when IMail was for sale.

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Re: Mail Server Software

[Matt Robertson]

In reading that last post I gave the wrong impression:  I really like
SmarterMail.  I use it for my own personal domain services.  I use
ASSP as a gateway in front of it so I don't care about its bad spam
performance (they mean well, and it has the potential to be a great
system, but it isn't yet).

You can also hook in SpamAssassin into it directly via a free 3rd
party plugin, as well as ClamAV (both are free).  I do the latter and
it works *great*, with automated virus def updates.

SM has some really nifty features.  The crowd-pleasing web mail is not
to be underestimated when it comes to your clients' perception of the
value of your service.  I also like its ability to listen on a 2nd
port so I can bypass ISPs that block port 25.

Config'ing it with ASSP was a real pain, though.  Turned me into an
open relay until we could figure out what was wrong.  That was a week
of pure Hell.  Anyone who wants advice on that score, I can save you a
lot of grief.  Contact me off-list.

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RE: UDF required=no complaining

[Damien McKenna]

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.  I completely
misunderstood an example code snippet in a book.

I guess the question would be better phrased as:

- With tag-based UDFs, are the arguments listed in the order that they
are passed?

- How do you cope with multiple optional arguments?

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> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 5:11 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: UDF required=no complaining
> 
> x is a structure and not  a string ;-)
> 
> try changing the argument type to struct
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Fusebox 3 - circuit not loading fbx_settings.cfm?

[Damien McKenna]

I've got several sites done in FB3 that work well. One particular site
has this strange problem with two specific circuits. The circuits are
three levels down (sub-circuits of About/Conferences) and neither load
the fbx_settings.cfm file. The odd thing is that this doesn't affect
other sites I have, only this site, only these circuits. Is there
anything I could be doing wrong? Any pointers would be appreciated.

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Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!

[Will Tomlinson]

Silence the dissenters. Hitler practiced that concept well! 

***There are only a handful of irrelevant posts in this thread out of 98 (as of 
now). 

Silencing unhappy CF'ers who are having to diversify due to the lack of CF 
jobs, and are willing to subject themselves to ridicule by their peers, is NOT 
a good thing. Some of you guys seemed to have intentionally posted irrelevant 
responses just to make the whole thread look that way. 

I appreciate Ben Forta's candidness and honest opinions on this topic.

I'm sorry if I offended people by saying we've been lulled to sleep. Maybe I 
should've said we're being complacent instead. And Macromedia *might* be too 
complacent about this whole situation. SOME of Team MM seems to be at least. I 
think we all need to see the big picture, and shoot higher than we are. Maybe 
it's .NET sexiness right now, maybe it's not. But even if it is, will it hurt 
to try and push CF? And figure out EXACTLY why so many are moving to .NET right 
now?  

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Re: query2csv question

[Tony Weeg]

:) no, i hadnt, im still floored that payfro is getting 50+mil. from
the mets to look there... thanks

tw


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:00:14 -0500, Qasim Rasheed
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you tried this UDF
> 
> http://cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=556
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:35:31 -0500, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > hola peoples
> >
> > has anyone used ryan emerle's query2csv custom tag? (or ryan if your 
> > listening)
> >
> > if so, can i disclude some columns?  would i do that by specifying
> > which ones i want in the Headers attribute?
> >
> > thanks!
> >
> > --
> > tony
> >
> > Tony Weeg
> >
> > macromedia certified coldfusion mx developer
> > email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com
> > blog: http://www.revolutionwebdesign.com/blog/
> > cool tool: http://www.antiwrap.com
> >
> >
> 
> 

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Re: BUT what does it &@#$%^ DO?????

[Sean Corfield]

On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:44:12 +1100, Mike Kear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I didnt see the statement about what Plum does.  After that, there was
> a lot of noise about Plum but very little about what its for.  I've
> seen lots of emails about Plum on this list, but because it wasnt
> about anything that concerned me, I never read them.

To be honest, I've visited the Plum site and I still don't really
understand what it actually does. It doesn't sound like it supports
any of the standard frameworks and it doesn't work on Mac or Linux it
seems.

The closest thing that comes to mind is Synthis Adalon - but when I
asked on one of the lists whether it is meant to be a competitor to
Adalon, no one responded.

> I'm just saying that the people who want a product to be accepted and
> used, need to recognise that they will get a lot more acceptance if
> they remember that many of their potential customers/users wont know
> what its for.  And therefore either wont bother or wont even notice
> it.

Well, the original email I saw about it was posted by Peter Tilbrook
on cfaussie and it absolutely did *not* say what the product was. When
I saw a post from Adam directly, it gave some vague idea about the
product.

> It's not MY responsibility to learn about everything that gets
> written. Its the AUTHORS job (or who ever is looking after marketing
> and promotion) to tell me why I should bother with it.  It's in their
> interest I'd have thought, to make it as easy as possible for their
> potential users to see the benefits.

I agree and whilst I teased someone on cfaussie for being "too lazy"
to click the link to go find out about it (I was joking and the humor
was really aimed at Peter T for his information-free post about Plum),
I would like to encourage authors to provide more information when
they are promoting something especially including information about
which platforms products run on and what databases they support. I get
*very* frustrated if I have to go to a site and navigate through to
the download - and sometimes as far as actually installing a trial
version! - only to find that the product is platform-specific!
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Re: Mail Server Software

[Rick Root]

dave wrote:
> 
> squirrelmail is pretty nice though


Yeah but it's not a mail server =)

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Re: OMG A CFM JOB! the gods have answered!

[dave]

u can check with your local UPS shop as well, i know when i was in louisville 
they had quite a few cfers 

im not sure if thats just were they dev at or what but our cfugs there where 
me, ben (get a haircut) doom (jk)  & a bunch of UPS employees

maybe stephanie hamilton can chime in if she is still on the list


btw~ isnt "Cold Fusion" a homemade nuke? 

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RE: OMG A CFM JOB! the gods have answered!

[Michael Dinowitz]

Because the thread has been moved to CF-Community and your not subscribed to
that list. I'll alter the message so you know which list your not subscribed
to.
 
> michael
> i been replying to the best 3 areas for jobs but it comes back saying im
> not subscribed??
> 
> 
> 

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Re: OMG A CFM JOB! the gods have answered!

[Aaron Rouse]

Probably because it was moved to cf-community and you are not on that list(?)


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:53:32 -0500, dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> michael
> i been replying to the best 3 areas for jobs but it comes back saying im not 
> subscribed??
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OMG A CFM JOB! the gods have answered!

[dave]

michael
i been replying to the best 3 areas for jobs but it comes back saying im not 
subscribed??


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RE: Mail Server Software

[Ben Rogers]

We are running the relay edition for our backup server. The performance is
great. It's about as configurable as you can get. The price is great. The
interface could use some work, but two out of three ain't bad.

That said, I don't know if I'd run it as our primary. The thought of having
to write a mail server from scratch with all the functionality in an
application like modusMail is pretty daunting. Building a spam filtering
engine alone is not insignificant, much less keeping up with it.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 5:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Mail Server Software
> 
> I'll just chime in and say that iMS has been perfect for our needs. That
> and
> some custom list code makes the HoF system sing.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Mail Server Software

[Burns, John D]

I use iMail and functionally it's not bad.  We haven't had any major
problems or anything with it.  It supports everything you mentioned and
wasn't a bad price.  I wish that they had a more open API that I could
use to create accounts and such using CF.  They have a few things, but
they're pretty limited.  The webmail that comes with it is decent but
nothing to write home about.  I've worked on writing a new client in CF
that would use CFPOP or CFX_IMAP (from Paul Vernon) but ran into some
problems and then got side tracked with some other "must-do" work.  All
in all, it's worked for me and I haven't had any issues or complaints
from clients.

John Burns
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AI-ES Aeronautics, Web Developer

-Original Message-
From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Mail Server Software

Hi all,
 
Just looking for opinions here.
 
What do you recommend (and your customer like) for pre-packaged server
based email messaging software (like iMail, Smartermail, sendMail etc).
Could be either Win or Unix/Linux based. Would need to have webmail
access and the ability for end users to connect via pop or imap using
standard email clients (Outlook, OE, Eudora, etc).
 
Also, are there third party server based products that you like and are
effective for filtering spam? 
 
Thanks,
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Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!

[Adrocknaphobia]

Oh yeah, and for the people in house who converted from classic and
.NET to CF. Lol, they wouldnt go back, even for a bump in salary.

-Adam

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:40:46 -0500, Adrocknaphobia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know this thread is supposed to be dead, but I wanted to follow up
> what Ben had mentioned about CF in Gov.
> 
> Our branch was formed within the State Dept to consolidate all IT
> under one roof. We inheritied nasty asp applications that rely heavily
> in AD and msSQL. (ever try to change a domain on AD?) I don't really
> think I understood the defenition of 'stovepipe app' until  I started
> here. They made a major shift away from outsourcing projects to
> contracting companies towards contracting positions internally.
> 
> We standardized on J2EE and Oracle. The java guys out numbered us for
> about 6 months... until we knocked out a dozen enterprise CF apps,
> while thier entire team is still working on just two. Needless to say,
> all new applications are developed in CF and all of our older apps are
> ported to CF (asp, delphi, etc.) Any application deemed mission
> critical, or need to be integrated with other technologies are done in
> CF.
> 
> I been constantly interviewing for CF positions for the past 8-9
> months. Of course, we dont post our jobs on dice or monster.
> Contracting companines usually do thier own recruiting, plus the
> employee always gets shafted in salary and benefits. As a result the
> majority of the people we found through those sites didn't last past 2
> months & had bad attitudes (tech-arrogance).
> 
> -Adam
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RE: Mail Server Software

[Michael Dinowitz]

I'll just chime in and say that iMS has been perfect for our needs. That and
some custom list code makes the HoF system sing. 



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OT: IIS references?

[Emmet McGovern]

I'm a regular contributor on a hosting control panel forum and I noticed 9
out of 10 times people would rather blame the cp before they look at their
own understanding of IIS and user management on windows.  It amazes me how
many of these people are behind medium 1000-1 client hosting companies.

I'd like to compile a list of books related to IIS and Windows hosting
management.  What are some favorites?  Topics would include everything from
bastion setup to security.  Personally, I use the MCSE certification books
by MS but they tend to be a little boorish.

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RE: Mail Server Software

[Ben Rogers]

We've been using modusMail by Vircom for a long time. We're pretty happy
with it. The support is generally excellent. The spam filtering is extremely
good. They also offer anti-virus via an embedded Norman engine.

You can configure modusMail to store mailbox configuration in a database,
which means you can create accounts and such with ColdFusion. However,
database and server config can only be stored in the registry.

The interface itself is pretty bad, but then most mail server GUIs are. The
Web mail system just got a major upgrade. The interface is vastly improved,
but it's a little buggy. We're waiting for a service pack before we upgrade
Web mail.

Our biggest problem is the pricing. Every time I turn around, the price
doubles. We purchased the product (then called VOPMail) for under $600. I
think that our current configuration would cost about $10,000. We tried to
upgrade to a distributed/clustered configuration, but the price was out of
our range.

They also have a bad habit of putting new features in spin off products and
letting the product under the old name languish. Of course, the new product
costs quite a bit more than the old.
 
At this point, we're pretty much locked in. We can't switch to another mail
server unless it offers spam filtering at least equal to modusMail's.
Otherwise, our customers would revolt. I have yet to find such a product.

So, I'd recommend modusMail if you can afford it. The support is great. The
spam filtering is nothing short of amazing. But their sales and pricing
tactics are terrible.

Ben Rogers
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> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Leder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:07 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Mail Server Software
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just looking for opinions here.
> 
> What do you recommend (and your customer like) for pre-packaged server
> based
> email messaging software (like iMail, Smartermail, sendMail etc). Could be
> either Win or Unix/Linux based. Would need to have webmail access and the
> ability for end users to connect via pop or imap using standard email
> clients (Outlook, OE, Eudora, etc).
> 
> Also, are there third party server based products that you like and are
> effective for filtering spam?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: UDF required=no complaining

[Bryan Stevenson]

>
> - With tag-based UDFs, are the arguments listed in the order that they
> are passed?

Yes...if they are passed without naming them as you hae done (i.e. not using 
cfargument)

>
> - How do you cope with multiple optional arguments?

pass them in comma seperated in the proper order or use cfargument to name 
and give a value to each argument

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Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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RE: UDF required=no complaining

[Damien McKenna]

Thanks, I guess I was thinking it worked something like that.  Thanks
for the tip.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 5:20 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: UDF required=no complaining
> 
> Others have told you what you did wrong. You were probably 
> trying to use argumentCollection. You should have done:
> 
> 
> 
> This passes a struct as if it were "real" arguments.
> 
> You can also do:
> 
> 
> 

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Re: UDF required=no complaining

[Barney Boisvert]

If you use positional parameters (myFunc(x, y, z)) then they are
passed in order.  If you use named parameters (myFunc(arg1 = x, arg2 =
y, arg3 = z)) then they are passed according to the names.

If you want to pass a specific argument with positional notation, you
must pass EVERY argument that is listed before, regardless of whether
they are optional or not.  No such limitation exists with named
parameters, just name the ones you want to pass and send them in.

cheers,
barneyb

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:20:16 -0500, Damien McKenna
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.  I completely
> misunderstood an example code snippet in a book.
> 
> I guess the question would be better phrased as:
> 
> - With tag-based UDFs, are the arguments listed in the order that they
> are passed?
> 
> - How do you cope with multiple optional arguments?
> 
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RE: Consuming Web Services

[dave]

if i was u i would change this over to flash remoting 
be awhole lot faster with a lot less overhead, since it looks fairly simple in 
reguards to the returned info

u could even do it with flash vars from the cfc


-- Original Message --
From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:20:44 -0500

>> My client has actually supplied all the SOAP templates so I 
>> do know what the service is expecting, just uncertain of how 
>> to invoke the service in the absence of WSDL. Wish I was at 
>> the DenverCFUG meeting, it sounds like it would have been 
>> enlightening. Sincerely hope there is a way to consume a SOAP 
>> service, any links/tutorials greatly appreciated.
>
>Didn't they provide WSDL URLs? It's pretty uncommon to have SOAP services
>without having WSDL interface descriptions.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/
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>fax: 202-797-5444
>
>
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RE: cffile error confusion.

[Phillip Perry]

Thanks Mark but I can't use it. The problem is that I need the file
uncompiled. Using cfhttp compiles it first.

Thanks anyway

Phil

-Original Message-
From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cffile error confusion.


Phil,


You need an absolute file path (as in C:\blah\blah.txt) to use CF File. What
you may be looking for is "CFHTTP". Try

http://www.applewoodcommunity.com/index.cfm"/>



-Mark

Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MSCE
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-Original Message-
From: Phillip Perry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:07 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cffile error confusion.


Hi,

Does anyone know why i'm getting this error? It's coming from my local
machine...

Error Occurred While Processing Request
An error occurred when performing a file operation READ on file
C:\CFusionMX\runtime\servers\default\SERVER-INF\temp\wwwroot-tmp\http://www.
applewoodcommunity.com/index.cfm.
The cause of this exception was: java.io.FileNotFoundException:
C:\CFusionMX\runtime\servers\default\SERVER-INF\temp\wwwroot-tmp\http:\www.a
pplewoodcommunity.com\index.cfm (The filename, directory name, or volume
label syntax is incorrect).

This is my cffile example..

http://www.applewoodcommunity.com/index.cfm";
VARIABLE="content">

Thanks

Phil








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Re: UDF required=no complaining

[Raymond Camden]

Others have told you what you did wrong. You were probably trying to
use argumentCollection. You should have done:



This passes a struct as if it were "real" arguments.

You can also do:




On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:04:49 -0500, Damien McKenna
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's the top of a UDF I wrote:
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> Here's how I call it:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I get this message:
> 
> Message:
> The argument USER passed to function LogMessage() is not of type string.
> 
> Detail:
> If the component name is specified as a type of this argument, the
> reason for this error might be that a definition file for such component
> cannot be found or is not accessible.
> 
> Would someone mind helping me with this?  What am I doing wrong?
> Thanks.
> 
> --
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> The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014
> #include 
> 
> 

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CFFILE upload error help needed please.

[Eric Creese]

can someone tell me why I would get this error while trying to upload a file?




String index out of range: -4 
The error occurred in C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\x_admin_edit2.cfm: line 50
48 :
52 : step8


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Re: UDF required=no complaining

[Barney Boisvert]

first, 'x' is a structure, not a string, so it's erroring.  Second,
after you fix that, you're going to immediately get an error saying
that you haven't supplied a value for the 'field' argument, and it's
required.

cheers,
barneyb

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:04:49 -0500, Damien McKenna
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's the top of a UDF I wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here's how I call it:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I get this message:
> 
> Message:
> The argument USER passed to function LogMessage() is not of type string.
> 
> Detail:
> If the component name is specified as a type of this argument, the
> reason for this error might be that a definition file for such component
> cannot be found or is not accessible.
> 
> Would someone mind helping me with this?  What am I doing wrong?
> Thanks.
> 
> --
> Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014
> #include 
> 
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Re: UDF required=no complaining

[Bryan Stevenson]

x is a structure and not  a string ;-)

try changing the argument type to struct

HTH

Cheers

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Re: Passing variable in cffile

[dave]

is the problem on your local server or the live server?

remember the path will be different between the 2 and i usually have both in 
the application page but comment 1 out depending on if its live or local

also
destination="#updir#\small\"

should be
destination="#updir#/small/"

on the live server

-- Original Message --
From: "Eric Creese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:55:46 -0600

>trying to pass a vaiable intot the destination field of CFFILE tag and it 
>pukes. I always thought this could be done? I keep getting an error.
>
>Attribute validation error for tag CFFILE. 
>The value of the attribute destination, which is currently 
>"C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\images\2\small\", is invalid. The error 
>occurred in C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\x_admin_edit2.cfm: line 49
>47 :   48 : destination="#updir#\small\" 
>49 : nameconflict="makeunique"
>50 : filefield="himage"
>
>
>
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RE: Consuming Web Services

[Dave Watts]

> My client has actually supplied all the SOAP templates so I 
> do know what the service is expecting, just uncertain of how 
> to invoke the service in the absence of WSDL. Wish I was at 
> the DenverCFUG meeting, it sounds like it would have been 
> enlightening. Sincerely hope there is a way to consume a SOAP 
> service, any links/tutorials greatly appreciated.

Didn't they provide WSDL URLs? It's pretty uncommon to have SOAP services
without having WSDL interface descriptions.

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RE: Mail Server Software

[Katz, Dov B (IT)]

Does anyone have any performance comparisons between SM and Imail? How
much differently does it perform?  Other than that concern its very
compelling... Especially the migration tools they offer for imail admins

-Original Message-
From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:35 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Mail Server Software

Imail is no longer for sale.  Ipswitch folded it into another product
and no longer sells it as a standalone.
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2004/10/26.html

They backpedaled a bit on continuing to sell their service agreements,
but most on the ipswitch lists regarded it as a dead product as a
result; killed by an untrustworthy company, and their list traffic has
since slowed to a crawl.  The whole scene was quite epic when it went
town a couple of months ago.

Floods of Imail users moved to SmarterMail.  I have a couple of servers
running it now.  Got it horrendously cheap at http://helmtastic.com.  A
loophole in the SM reseller agreements that lets it go out this cheap
will be closed by 1/1/05, I hear.  The folks at SM told me I was crazy
to buy it anywhere else.  And they have been quite responsive on tech
support.

If you must have an 800 lb. gorilla, look at merak mail server.  While
SM has worked great for me, Merak was my first choice until I decided to
try SM and see if it worked.  The savings in $$$ was considerable.


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Re: Mail Server Software

[dave]

lol
well, well, its still kinda nice. 4 a php app ;)

-- Original Message --
From: Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 17:00:39 -0500

>dave wrote:
>> 
>> squirrelmail is pretty nice though
>
>
>Yeah but it's not a mail server =)
>
>

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UDF required=no complaining

[Damien McKenna]

Here's the top of a UDF I wrote:
 

 
 

Here's how I call it:
 



 
I get this message:
 
Message: 
The argument USER passed to function LogMessage() is not of type string.

Detail: 
If the component name is specified as a type of this argument, the
reason for this error might be that a definition file for such component
cannot be found or is not accessible.
 
Would someone mind helping me with this?  What am I doing wrong?
Thanks.
 
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Passing variable in cffile

[Eric Creese]

trying to pass a vaiable intot the destination field of CFFILE tag and it 
pukes. I always thought this could be done? I keep getting an error.

Attribute validation error for tag CFFILE. 
The value of the attribute destination, which is currently 
"C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\images\2\small\", is invalid. The error occurred 
in C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\portplus\x_admin_edit2.cfm: line 49
47 :http://www.newatlanta.com

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RE: BUT what does it &@#$%^ DO?????

[dave]

in the case of plum, i think mike just missed it a few times but its also still 
in beta and knowing how good of a job adam & david do, im sure they will be 
making u fully aware upon public release (which is very very soon)

plum makes that .net junk program will brought up look like 




-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Ketsdever" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:56:19 -0800

>Another thought is hey I might not know what it is or does. If that is the 
>case I probably am not the  person responsible for those funcitons.  However, 
>if the marketing guys did a little better job telling me what it is or does I 
>would be more likely to forward it to the proper personal.  Right now I jsut 
>delete what I don't understand.  But if I know it is a recruitment tool, 
>content management system, or hardware dumagungy, etc.. then I forward it to 
>the people who work in those areas.  Often times a simple explanation such as 
>"Our CMS (content management system) will 
>
>Last time I ERPed was after a party in college.
>
>
>"It's not MY responsibility to learn about everything that gets 
>written. Its the AUTHORS job (or who ever is looking after marketing
>and promotion) to tell me why I should bother with it.  It's in their
>interest I'd have thought, to make it as easy as possible for their
>potential users to see the benefits. "
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Re: Server Time/Date

[Andrew Grosset]

many thanks, Andrew.

>Yes. Sync the time with NTP.. public time server list
>
>http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Servers/WebHome
>
>Andrew Grosset wrote:
>>

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RE: BUT what does it &@#$%^ DO?????

[Ken Ketsdever]

Another thought is hey I might not know what it is or does. If that is the case 
I probably am not the  person responsible for those funcitons.  However, if the 
marketing guys did a little better job telling me what it is or does I would be 
more likely to forward it to the proper personal.  Right now I jsut delete what 
I don't understand.  But if I know it is a recruitment tool, content management 
system, or hardware dumagungy, etc.. then I forward it to the people who work 
in those areas.  Often times a simple explanation such as "Our CMS (content 
management system) will 

Last time I ERPed was after a party in college.


"It's not MY responsibility to learn about everything that gets 
written. Its the AUTHORS job (or who ever is looking after marketing
and promotion) to tell me why I should bother with it.  It's in their
interest I'd have thought, to make it as easy as possible for their
potential users to see the benefits. "

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RE: Mail Server Software

[Paul]

Matt, does SmarterMail do a pretty good job filtering out spam without
constant babysitting?

>>Floods of Imail users moved to SmarterMail.  


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Re: Best three CF Job locales?

[Ray Champagne]

I assume that getting gently 'nudged' out of the military for some stupid 
things I did as a young man would probably would disqualify me for a 
security clearance?  I had a 'secret' clearance at one point

Ray

At 04:46 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
> > Best I have seen is the D.C. area. I may be way off base here, but most of
> > the recent requests for referrals that I have received are from Government
> > agencies (many of whom are bringing contract works back in house).
> > --- Ben
>
>DC rocks, as well as MD and VA! Although if you are looking to move to
>govt, you'll most likely need a security clearance for the higher
>paying enterprise level gigs. We have a CC MMUG here at Dept of State
>(I'm pushing to get two more CF slots, but its all red tape and budget
>at this point). I know Lisa runs a CC for DHS, which may be a good
>resource for CF jobs there.
>
>-Adam
>
>

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RE: Consuming Web Services

[Clark Slater]

Cool, appreciate any help Dave! I'm using a Flash client which will use
CFC's as a proxy to invoke a remote webservice. Following is one of the SOAP
templates I've got:

http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/";>



http://remoteserver/webservices";>
  
  ..
  
  

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  ...
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-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Consuming Web Services


tell me a lil bit more about what u got and what ur doing and i will try to
help

you use cfivoke like a cfc

-- Original Message --
From: "Clark Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:26:49 -0800

>Thanks Dave and Thanks Dave,
>
>My client has actually supplied all the SOAP templates so I do know 
>what the service is expecting, just uncertain of how to invoke the 
>service in the absence of WSDL. Wish I was at the DenverCFUG meeting, 
>it sounds like it would have been enlightening. Sincerely hope there is 
>a way to consume a SOAP service, any links/tutorials greatly 
>appreciated.
>
>Clark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:50 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Consuming Web Services
>
>
>we had a good meeting about this last night at our coldfusion users 
>group, im sure rob will post the code and the presentation in a day or 
>so at http://www.denvercfug.org/index.cfm?function=meetings
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:56:15 -0500
>
>>> Every tutorial I have found online regarding web service consumption 
>>> with CFMX refers to WSDL. Is it possible to consume a SOAP web 
>>> service without WSDL? Apologies for the newbie question.
>>
>>Actually, there's nothing wrong with that question.
>>
>>Typically, when you use a web services toolkit like Axis (which is 
>>what
>>CFMX uses), the toolkit uses WSDL to learn about the interface of the 
>>SOAP service. It is possible to send data directly to a SOAP service if 
>>you know what that data will look like, but I don't think Axis lets you 
>>do this - it reads WSDL to generate Java classes locally which are used 
>>to interact with the SOAP service. Likewise, web services toolkits 
>>typically generate both SOAP and WSDL when publishing web services.
>>
>>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>>http://www.figleaf.com/
>>phone: 202-797-5496
>>fax: 202-797-5444
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



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RE: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!

[Michael Dinowitz]

OK, this is where I take offense. I've asked for this thread to be moved to
another forum. I've provided many other forums that it can be moved to. At
no time was dissenters silenced. As per the net rule, the first to invoke
Hitler loses. That my friend is you.

> -Original Message-
> From: Will Tomlinson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:14 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCON!!
> 
> Silence the dissenters. Hitler practiced that concept well!
> 
> ***There are only a handful of irrelevant posts in this thread out of 98
> (as of now).
> 
> Silencing unhappy CF'ers who are having to diversify due to the lack of CF
> jobs, and are willing to subject themselves to ridicule by their peers, is
> NOT a good thing. Some of you guys seemed to have intentionally posted
> irrelevant responses just to make the whole thread look that way.
> 
> I appreciate Ben Forta's candidness and honest opinions on this topic.
> 
> I'm sorry if I offended people by saying we've been lulled to sleep. Maybe
> I should've said we're being complacent instead. And Macromedia *might* be
> too complacent about this whole situation. SOME of Team MM seems to be at
> least. I think we all need to see the big picture, and shoot higher than
> we are. Maybe it's .NET sexiness right now, maybe it's not. But even if it
> is, will it hurt to try and push CF? And figure out EXACTLY why so many
> are moving to .NET right now?
> 
> Will
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Deleting Multiple files with CFFILE??????-SOLVED

[Eric Creese]

I DID SIMPLY JUST THAT

-Original Message-
From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Deleting Multiple files with CFFILE??


You can do a Directory listing and then run CFFILE against
Each file that needs to be deleted. Then use CFDirectory
Again to delete the directory.

You can not delete multiple files with one CFFILE statement 

-Original Message-
From: Eric Creese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:19 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Deleting Multiple files with CFFILE??

I want to use CFFILE to remove all the pictures in a directory then use
CFDIRECTORY to remove the directory. How can I do this with CFFILE using
a wildcard to get all the files deleted at once.?








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Re: Best three CF Job locales?

[Adrocknaphobia]

> Best I have seen is the D.C. area. I may be way off base here, but most of
> the recent requests for referrals that I have received are from Government
> agencies (many of whom are bringing contract works back in house).
> --- Ben

DC rocks, as well as MD and VA! Although if you are looking to move to
govt, you'll most likely need a security clearance for the higher
paying enterprise level gigs. We have a CC MMUG here at Dept of State
(I'm pushing to get two more CF slots, but its all red tape and budget
at this point). I know Lisa runs a CC for DHS, which may be a good
resource for CF jobs there.

-Adam

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Re: BUT what does it &@#$%^ DO?????

[Mike Kear]

Dan, I get abour 800 emails a day.   Probably 2/3 of them have links
in them. I just dont click on links in emails unless there is a
reason.  Forgetting the spam, if I went and looked at all those sites,
I would never get any work done.   I'm not unique here.  Most of us
have more email in a day than we can deal with and still get our work
done.

I didnt see the statement about what Plum does.  After that, there was
a lot of noise about Plum but very little about what its for.  I've
seen lots of emails about Plum on this list, but because it wasnt
about anything that concerned me, I never read them.

I'm not criticising anyone in particular, and I'm not criticising  the
Plum team.

I'm just saying that the people who want a product to be accepted and
used, need to recognise that they will get a lot more acceptance if
they remember that many of their potential customers/users wont know
what its for.  And therefore either wont bother or wont even notice
it.


It's not MY responsibility to learn about everything that gets 
written. Its the AUTHORS job (or who ever is looking after marketing
and promotion) to tell me why I should bother with it.  It's in their
interest I'd have thought, to make it as easy as possible for their
potential users to see the benefits.


Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
.com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:07:41 -0500, Dan O'Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Another example:  I've been hearing about PLUM for ages, but I never
> >saw anyone saying what it DOES.   I had to go to the PLUM site before
> >I found a statement saying what it is.   And that was against my
> >better judgement. If it's too much trouble for the PLUM team to say
> >what it's for, why should I go to the effort? i have plenty to occupy
> >my time.
> 
> Come on Mike, really, you have to be kidding me? Someone creates a
> tool (and an incredible one it is), opens the beta up and it is going
> to be free when released, and you cannot click on a link to see what
> it does?
> 
> To me, one of the biggest assets to these lists are the links to
> products and knowledge which help me do my job.
> 
> I submit to you it probably took you twice as long to type this email
> than it would to have gone to the site to check out what PLUM does.
> 
> Dan
> 
>

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Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!

[Adrocknaphobia]

I know this thread is supposed to be dead, but I wanted to follow up
what Ben had mentioned about CF in Gov.

Our branch was formed within the State Dept to consolidate all IT
under one roof. We inheritied nasty asp applications that rely heavily
in AD and msSQL. (ever try to change a domain on AD?) I don't really
think I understood the defenition of 'stovepipe app' until  I started
here. They made a major shift away from outsourcing projects to 
contracting companies towards contracting positions internally.

We standardized on J2EE and Oracle. The java guys out numbered us for
about 6 months... until we knocked out a dozen enterprise CF apps,
while thier entire team is still working on just two. Needless to say,
all new applications are developed in CF and all of our older apps are
ported to CF (asp, delphi, etc.) Any application deemed mission
critical, or need to be integrated with other technologies are done in
CF.

I been constantly interviewing for CF positions for the past 8-9
months. Of course, we dont post our jobs on dice or monster.
Contracting companines usually do thier own recruiting, plus the
employee always gets shafted in salary and benefits. As a result the
majority of the people we found through those sites didn't last past 2
months & had bad attitudes (tech-arrogance).

-Adam

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RE: Best three CF Job locales?

[Ben Forta]

Best I have seen is the D.C. area. I may be way off base here, but most of
the recent requests for referrals that I have received are from Government
agencies (many of whom are bringing contract works back in house).

FWIW, D.C. area is also home to several of the most active user groups (oh,
and CFUN of course), as well as respected CF development shops. I don't know
which is the chicken and which is the egg - but it does all fit together
nicely.

--- Ben
 

-Original Message-
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 4:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Best three CF Job locales? [WAS: Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH
POPCON!!]

Where the heck do you live?

I wish I had the balls to up and move from my homeland.  I consider myself a
PGP (pretty good programmer), and I am stuck here at an embarassing salary.

My job, co-workers and job environment is awesome, I get to take my dog to
work, I make my own hours, and have all the freedom in the world.  But
still, some bennies and a better salary would be nice.

Let's start another topic: Where are the top 3 places to live if you want
the best CF job?  Maybe I'll consider a move

(I am cross-posting this so that everybody gets it, but reply only to the
cf-community, as this is gotten even further off-topic)

Ray



At 04:26 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
>will,
>
>if u spent as much time going to your local cfug as u do whining u'd 
>have a damn cfm job have u ever gone to a cfug? do u know what a cfug 
>is?
>
>funny, last night at ours, the shops that were going .net & cfm have 
>now scaled back to just cfm, hu
>
>and plenty of jobs were passed around, lowest paid $45 an + hour full 
>benefit package
>
>if u were there u coulda had your pick, well maybe
>
>like i said before, dont let the door hit ya were the good lord split 
>ya
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: Will Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:13:53 -0400
>
> >Silence the dissenters. Hitler practiced that concept well!
> >
> >***There are only a handful of irrelevant posts in this thread out of 
> >98
> (as of now).
> >
> >Silencing unhappy CF'ers who are having to diversify due to the lack 
> >of
> CF jobs, and are willing to subject themselves to ridicule by their 
> peers, is NOT a good thing. Some of you guys seemed to have 
> intentionally posted irrelevant responses just to make the whole thread
look that way.
> >
> >I appreciate Ben Forta's candidness and honest opinions on this topic.
> >
> >I'm sorry if I offended people by saying we've been lulled to sleep. 
> Maybe I should've said we're being complacent instead. And Macromedia
> *might* be too complacent about this whole situation. SOME of Team MM 
> seems to be at least. I think we all need to see the big picture, and 
> shoot higher than we are. Maybe it's .NET sexiness right now, maybe 
> it's not. But even if it is, will it hurt to try and push CF? And 
> figure out EXACTLY why so many are moving to .NET right now?
> >
> >Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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Re: Mail Server Software

[Matt Robertson]

Imail is no longer for sale.  Ipswitch folded it into another product
and no longer sells it as a standalone.
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2004/10/26.html

They backpedaled a bit on continuing to sell their service agreements,
but most on the ipswitch lists regarded it as a dead product as a
result; killed by an untrustworthy company, and their list traffic has
since slowed to a crawl.  The whole scene was quite epic when it went
town a couple of months ago.

Floods of Imail users moved to SmarterMail.  I have a couple of
servers running it now.  Got it horrendously cheap at
http://helmtastic.com.  A loophole in the SM reseller agreements that
lets it go out this cheap will be closed by 1/1/05, I hear.  The folks
at SM told me I was crazy to buy it anywhere else.  And they have been
quite responsive on tech support.

If you must have an 800 lb. gorilla, look at merak mail server.  While
SM has worked great for me, Merak was my first choice until I decided
to try SM and see if it worked.  The savings in $$$ was considerable.


-- 
--Matt Robertson--
President, Janitor
MSB Designs, Inc.
mysecretbase.com

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Best three CF Job locales? [WAS: Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!]

[Ray Champagne]

Where the heck do you live?

I wish I had the balls to up and move from my homeland.  I consider myself 
a PGP (pretty good programmer), and I am stuck here at an embarassing salary.

My job, co-workers and job environment is awesome, I get to take my dog to 
work, I make my own hours, and have all the freedom in the world.  But 
still, some bennies and a better salary would be nice.

Let's start another topic: Where are the top 3 places to live if you want 
the best CF job?  Maybe I'll consider a move

(I am cross-posting this so that everybody gets it, but reply only to the 
cf-community, as this is gotten even further off-topic)

Ray



At 04:26 PM 12/14/2004, you wrote:
>will,
>
>if u spent as much time going to your local cfug as u do whining u'd have 
>a damn cfm job
>have u ever gone to a cfug? do u know what a cfug is?
>
>funny, last night at ours, the shops that were going .net & cfm have now 
>scaled back to just cfm, hu
>
>and plenty of jobs were passed around, lowest paid $45 an + hour full 
>benefit package
>
>if u were there u coulda had your pick, well maybe
>
>like i said before, dont let the door hit ya were the good lord split ya
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: Will Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:13:53 -0400
>
> >Silence the dissenters. Hitler practiced that concept well!
> >
> >***There are only a handful of irrelevant posts in this thread out of 98 
> (as of now).
> >
> >Silencing unhappy CF'ers who are having to diversify due to the lack of 
> CF jobs, and are willing to subject themselves to ridicule by their 
> peers, is NOT a good thing. Some of you guys seemed to have intentionally 
> posted irrelevant responses just to make the whole thread look that way.
> >
> >I appreciate Ben Forta's candidness and honest opinions on this topic.
> >
> >I'm sorry if I offended people by saying we've been lulled to sleep. 
> Maybe I should've said we're being complacent instead. And Macromedia 
> *might* be too complacent about this whole situation. SOME of Team MM 
> seems to be at least. I think we all need to see the big picture, and 
> shoot higher than we are. Maybe it's .NET sexiness right now, maybe it's 
> not. But even if it is, will it hurt to try and push CF? And figure out 
> EXACTLY why so many are moving to .NET right now?
> >
> >Will
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: Consuming Web Services

[Barney Boisvert]

If nothing else, you should be able to take the SOAP templates and
synthesize your own WSDL document, and then you can use it with CF. 
Kind of a hackish, reverse-engineer way to go about it, but it should
work.

cheers,
barneyb

On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:26:49 -0800, Clark Slater
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks Dave and Thanks Dave,
> 
> My client has actually supplied all the SOAP templates so I do know what the
> service is expecting, just uncertain of how to invoke the service in the
> absence of WSDL. Wish I was at the DenverCFUG meeting, it sounds like it
> would have been enlightening. Sincerely hope there is a way to consume a
> SOAP service, any links/tutorials greatly appreciated.
> 
> Clark
> 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: Consuming Web Services

[dave]

tell me a lil bit more about what u got and what ur doing and i will try to help

you use cfivoke like a cfc

-- Original Message --
From: "Clark Slater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:26:49 -0800

>Thanks Dave and Thanks Dave,
>
>My client has actually supplied all the SOAP templates so I do know what the
>service is expecting, just uncertain of how to invoke the service in the
>absence of WSDL. Wish I was at the DenverCFUG meeting, it sounds like it
>would have been enlightening. Sincerely hope there is a way to consume a
>SOAP service, any links/tutorials greatly appreciated.
>
>Clark
>
>-Original Message-
>From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:50 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Consuming Web Services
>
>
>we had a good meeting about this last night at our coldfusion users group,
>im sure rob will post the code and the presentation in a day or so at
>http://www.denvercfug.org/index.cfm?function=meetings
>
>-- Original Message --
>From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:56:15 -0500
>
>>> Every tutorial I have found online regarding web service
>>> consumption with CFMX refers to WSDL. Is it possible to 
>>> consume a SOAP web service without WSDL? Apologies for the 
>>> newbie question.
>>
>>Actually, there's nothing wrong with that question.
>>
>>Typically, when you use a web services toolkit like Axis (which is what 
>>CFMX uses), the toolkit uses WSDL to learn about the interface of the 
>>SOAP service. It is possible to send data directly to a SOAP service if 
>>you know what that data will look like, but I don't think Axis lets you 
>>do this - it reads WSDL to generate Java classes locally which are used 
>>to interact with the SOAP service. Likewise, web services toolkits 
>>typically generate both SOAP and WSDL when publishing web services.
>>
>>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>>http://www.figleaf.com/
>>phone: 202-797-5496
>>fax: 202-797-5444
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Consuming Web Services

[Clark Slater]

Thanks Dave and Thanks Dave,

My client has actually supplied all the SOAP templates so I do know what the
service is expecting, just uncertain of how to invoke the service in the
absence of WSDL. Wish I was at the DenverCFUG meeting, it sounds like it
would have been enlightening. Sincerely hope there is a way to consume a
SOAP service, any links/tutorials greatly appreciated.

Clark

-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Consuming Web Services


we had a good meeting about this last night at our coldfusion users group,
im sure rob will post the code and the presentation in a day or so at
http://www.denvercfug.org/index.cfm?function=meetings

-- Original Message --
From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 12:56:15 -0500

>> Every tutorial I have found online regarding web service
>> consumption with CFMX refers to WSDL. Is it possible to 
>> consume a SOAP web service without WSDL? Apologies for the 
>> newbie question.
>
>Actually, there's nothing wrong with that question.
>
>Typically, when you use a web services toolkit like Axis (which is what 
>CFMX uses), the toolkit uses WSDL to learn about the interface of the 
>SOAP service. It is possible to send data directly to a SOAP service if 
>you know what that data will look like, but I don't think Axis lets you 
>do this - it reads WSDL to generate Java classes locally which are used 
>to interact with the SOAP service. Likewise, web services toolkits 
>typically generate both SOAP and WSDL when publishing web services.
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/
>phone: 202-797-5496
>fax: 202-797-5444
>
>
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Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!

[dave]

will, 

if u spent as much time going to your local cfug as u do whining u'd have a 
damn cfm job
have u ever gone to a cfug? do u know what a cfug is?

funny, last night at ours, the shops that were going .net & cfm have now scaled 
back to just cfm, hu

and plenty of jobs were passed around, lowest paid $45 an + hour full benefit 
package

if u were there u coulda had your pick, well maybe

like i said before, dont let the door hit ya were the good lord split ya

-- Original Message --
From: Will Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:  Tue, 14 Dec 2004 16:13:53 -0400

>Silence the dissenters. Hitler practiced that concept well! 
>
>***There are only a handful of irrelevant posts in this thread out of 98 (as 
>of now). 
>
>Silencing unhappy CF'ers who are having to diversify due to the lack of CF 
>jobs, and are willing to subject themselves to ridicule by their peers, is NOT 
>a good thing. Some of you guys seemed to have intentionally posted irrelevant 
>responses just to make the whole thread look that way. 
>
>I appreciate Ben Forta's candidness and honest opinions on this topic.
>
>I'm sorry if I offended people by saying we've been lulled to sleep. Maybe I 
>should've said we're being complacent instead. And Macromedia *might* be too 
>complacent about this whole situation. SOME of Team MM seems to be at least. I 
>think we all need to see the big picture, and shoot higher than we are. Maybe 
>it's .NET sexiness right now, maybe it's not. But even if it is, will it hurt 
>to try and push CF? And figure out EXACTLY why so many are moving to .NET 
>right now?  
>
>Will
>
>
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Re: CF vs ASP.NET! GET YOUR FRESH POPCORRRRN!!

[Bryan Stevenson]

Will...just remember...this is a "technical" forumso non-tech threads 
have a limited lifespan here

As Mike D saidit can go to CF-Macromedia or CF-OT or heck...even the 
insane CF-Community

Cheers

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
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Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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RE: Mail Server Software

[dave]

aside from looking like some program by some company i really dont like
icewarp looks decent 

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Re: BUT what does it &@#$%^ DO?????

[Dan O'Keefe]

>Another example:  I've been hearing about PLUM for ages, but I never
>saw anyone saying what it DOES.   I had to go to the PLUM site before
>I found a statement saying what it is.   And that was against my
>better judgement. If it's too much trouble for the PLUM team to say
>what it's for, why should I go to the effort? i have plenty to occupy
>my time.

Come on Mike, really, you have to be kidding me? Someone creates a
tool (and an incredible one it is), opens the beta up and it is going
to be free when released, and you cannot click on a link to see what
it does?

To me, one of the biggest assets to these lists are the links to
products and knowledge which help me do my job.

I submit to you it probably took you twice as long to type this email
than it would to have gone to the site to check out what PLUM does.

Dan

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RE:

[Pascal Peters]

If you are still interested, I tested and debugged it:

























Pascal

> -Original Message-
> From: Asim Manzur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 14 December 2004 18:29
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: 
> 
> Hi
> that was the problem
> the table field was named bill_date
> and your function works fine only had the problem with cleanForm
> 
> but I have changed the field name in the table
> 

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Re: extract values from arrays dynamically

[Charlie Griefer]

No worries.  I'm still waiting for Joe R. to elaborate on the array of
CFCs idea :)


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:59:34 -0400, Joy Holman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >well, the 2nd dimension of the first array contains the # of answers
> >to test 1 (again, minus 1 since the first element of the 2nd dimesion
> >is specifying the test #).
> >
> >so loop over the first dimension and do an arrayLen() - 1 on the
> >second dimension.
> >
> >
> >   
> >   Test #i#: #arrayLen(QstnKey[i]) - 1# Questions
> >   
> >
> >
> >This works, since multi-dimensional arrays in CF are just 1d arrays of
> >1d arrays.
> >
> >(disclaimer: the #arrayLen(QstnKey[i]) - 1# notation will not work pre-CFMX)
> >
> >
> This totally works. Thanks. Sorry I didn't get back sooner. I was working on 
> other things.
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Re: query2csv question

[Qasim Rasheed]

Have you tried this UDF

http://cflib.org/udf.cfm?ID=556


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:35:31 -0500, Tony Weeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> hola peoples
> 
> has anyone used ryan emerle's query2csv custom tag? (or ryan if your 
> listening)
> 
> if so, can i disclude some columns?  would i do that by specifying
> which ones i want in the Headers attribute?
> 
> thanks!
> 
> --
> tony
> 
> Tony Weeg
> 
> macromedia certified coldfusion mx developer
> email: tonyweeg [at] gmail [dot] com
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Re: reReplace()

[Tony Weeg]

thank you pascal...

although, im not sure if im even going to travel down the path i was
originally thinking on this one...

either way, THANKS!

-- 
tony

Tony Weeg

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RE: number of logins

[Robert Orlini]

I converted the field to numeric, all fixed--still thanks for the advice Randy 
and Pascal

-Original Message-
From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:36 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: number of logins


Does the database field "login" a string or numeric type?
If it is String, then by using the > symbol indicates
That you are doing a numeric comparative..

What does LOGIN field contain?
What is the user entering as form.login? 

-Original Message-
From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: number of logins

I get an "Data type mismatch in criteria expression." error when I do
that though...

-Original Message-
From: Adkins, Randy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: number of logins


Is form.login a NUMERIC? If so, should it be:

And LOGIN > #FORM.LOGIN#

Drop the single quotes


-Original Message-
From: Robert Orlini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:06 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: number of logins

The query below does not search the form.login value correctly. I tried
either isdefined or just checking with a NEQ to "", but it does not
display logins greater than a value I submit. I checked the logic on the
bottom of the page (see below) and it seems correct. I even added a
trim, but still it does not give me the desired results on the number of
logins. Its in an Access table

What am I coding wrong here?

Thanks.

Robert O.
HWW


 Select * from test
Where 0 = 0 
 
And customer LIKE '#FORM.customer#%'


And login > '#FORM.login#'













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Re: Mail Server Software

[dave]

IMO
imail is terrible, its slow, ugly and confusing for users
im writing this on imail right now and i just hate it!

smartermail is coming but not soon enough!

squirrelmail is pretty nice though
 

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Re: Anyone use CFX_Excel2Query?

[stas]

Irvin, thanks. I realized that I was using the attributes incorrectly,
because that's how another tag, CFX_Text2Query from the same author
works. I need to get rid of the user supplied header row and provide
my own and there doesn't seem to be an elegant way of doing that with
this tag.

Irvin Gomez wrote:

>Try:
>
>   file="#excelfile#"
>   firstRowIsHeader = 1
>   nodates
>   columnList="columns"
>   r_qResults="orderlist">
>
>That will return a query object called "orderlist" and a variable named 
>"columns" that is a list of the column names in your excel file.
>
>
>
>  
>
>>I am using it with this syntax:
>>
>>>   file="#excelfile#"
>>   r_qResults="orderlist"
>>   firstRowIsHeader="false"
>>   columnlist = "name,address,city,state,zip"
>>
>>
>>The excel file has its own header, which I am trying to overwrite by
>>the one provided with the 'columnlist' attribute. However, when I
>>supply that attributed the return recordset isn't created - I can't
>>cfdump it because the object doesn't exist.
>>
>>Any tips would very appreciated!
>>
>>Stas
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: Mail Server Software

[Umer Farooq]

My personal choice for Win.. is the IPSwitch IMail.. very easy to use.. 
setup.. etc.. and has pretty much all the features..

For *NIX.. my personal choice is PostFix with Courier IMAP (you can go 
UW IMAP also)

Infact we switched from iMail to postfix.. in 99..

For spam Spamassassin or Barracuda Spam Firewall..


Mark Leder wrote:
> Hi all,
>  
> Just looking for opinions here.
>  
> What do you recommend (and your customer like) for pre-packaged server based
> email messaging software (like iMail, Smartermail, sendMail etc). Could be
> either Win or Unix/Linux based. Would need to have webmail access and the
> ability for end users to connect via pop or imap using standard email
> clients (Outlook, OE, Eudora, etc).
>  
> Also, are there third party server based products that you like and are
> effective for filtering spam? 
>  
> Thanks,
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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query2csv question

[Tony Weeg]

hola peoples

has anyone used ryan emerle's query2csv custom tag? (or ryan if your listening)

if so, can i disclude some columns?  would i do that by specifying
which ones i want in the Headers attribute?

thanks!

-- 
tony

Tony Weeg

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Re: Bit of a predicament.. MySQL and sorting by dates..

[Mike]

That worked perfect.  I would of never come up with that on my own..  :)

Thanks!
Mike



   SELECT id, date
   FROMabandon



   
   
   UPDATE abandon
   SET date = 
   WHERE id = 
   

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RE: cffile error confusion.

[Ian Skinner]

http://www.applewoodcommunity.com/index.cfm";
VARIABLE="content">

You want to look at the getPathFrom family of functions, to get the system 
file path from your url that the cffile tag needs.

This should get you close.

http://www.applewoodcommunity.com/')#/index.cfm" 
variable="content">

This of course assumes that www.applewoodcommunity.com root directory is on the 
server that ColdFusion is running on.  It's not going to help you get a file 
from some other server that the ColdFusion server does not have file 
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RE: Deleting Multiple files with CFFILE??????

[Adkins, Randy]

You can do a Directory listing and then run CFFILE against
Each file that needs to be deleted. Then use CFDirectory
Again to delete the directory.

You can not delete multiple files with one CFFILE statement 

-Original Message-
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I want to use CFFILE to remove all the pictures in a directory then use
CFDIRECTORY to remove the directory. How can I do this with CFFILE using
a wildcard to get all the files deleted at once.?






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Re: Anyone use CFX_Excel2Query?

[Irvin Gomez]

Try:



That will return a query object called "orderlist" and a variable named 
"columns" that is a list of the column names in your excel file.



>I am using it with this syntax:
>
>file="#excelfile#"
>r_qResults="orderlist"
>firstRowIsHeader="false"
>columnlist = "name,address,city,state,zip"
>>
>
>The excel file has its own header, which I am trying to overwrite by
>the one provided with the 'columnlist' attribute. However, when I
>supply that attributed the return recordset isn't created - I can't
>cfdump it because the object doesn't exist.
>
>Any tips would very appreciated!
>
>Stas

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