Re: why we love coldfusion..........

[Jochem van Dieten]

Aaron DC wrote:
> It'd be great if people included some of the post to which they are 
> replying in their reply. Or is that difficult with today's technology?

It is not difficult at all. In fact, that is just what Bryan did. 
In the headers of his message it says:
 References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As per RFC 2822 3.6.4 that is the Message-ID of the message he 
was replyig too and your MUA can use it to thread / sort properly.

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Re: CFFORM: ActionScript to Control TabNavigator in Flash Form?

[Greg Hamer]

fyi ... following is a definitive answer that I received off-list from Mike 
Nimer @ Macromedia (after a friend forwarded my question to him):

Greg,

No it’s not possible. The closest you can get is to disable the fields in the 
tab (or the VBox, Panel, etc) cfformgroup that wraps the fields. But the tab 
has to stay. 

Hth,

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Re: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[Aaron Rouse]

Interesting, did not know they were doing that. Surprised they did not just 
team up with Quest since Toad already exists.

I use Toad for all my Oracle needs, I probably do not know a 1/4 of all of 
its features. It is unbelievably handy to use though.

On 8/8/05, Dave Carabetta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Well, unfortunately you're not going to find anything free on the
> level of EM for Oracle -- this is Oracle's real weak spot with their
> product line, and, hence, their partnering with Microsoft to develop
> tools for Oracle.
> 
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Re: File Progress Bar - Flash Remoting

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CFFORM: ActionScript to Control TabNavigator in Flash Form?

[Greg Hamer]

Can properties be set via ActionScript for ? Specifically, 
enabled= or visible= ?

Apparently  does not have a name= attribute. Therefore, is 
there any way to reference a  element using ActionsScript? 

What I am trying to do is related to using tabnavigator. On one page I have 
checkboxes. Using ActionScript in the checkbox's onClick= handler, I would 
like reset another tab's visible or enabled property to false.

 does have the attribute onclick= so I even tried both of the 
following but with no success:

onclick="this.visible=false;"

onclick="this.enabled=false;"
 
Any assistance would be appreciated. 

If anyone has previously confirmed that  properties can not be 
set via ActionScript, I would appreciate your letting me know.

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Re: why we love coldfusion..........

[Michael Dinowitz]

You can always read the whole thread in the archives:
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/messages.cfm/forumid:4/threadid:41595

As an aside, this is really an off topic thread so please move it to 
CF-Community where people will very much enjoy it or CF-OT.
Thank you

> It'd be great if people included some of the post to which they are
> replying in their reply. Or is that difficult with today's technology?
>
> This post by itself seems rather orphaned / random.
>
> Aaron
>
> Bryan Stevenson wrote:
>
>>Gee Dave...Sam doesn't look too happy in some of the water shots...I hope
>>she was well paid for the day ;-)
>>
>>Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
>>VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
>>Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
>>phone: 250.480.0642
>>fax: 250.480.1264
>>cell: 250.920.8830
>>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Architecture thoughts

[Barney Boisvert]

Implement your application as a set of CFCs that your UI's connect to.
 For HTML, they'll hit them directly.  For Flash and JS Remoting,
you'll use some facade CFCs.  The application CFCs would be
instantiated via Application.cf(m|c), so they're always present, no
matter what type of connection is coming in.

You don't want to actually put the application into the web services,
there should be an entirely separate facade layer (which is really the
UI, the clients of the web services are irrelevant to you, the app
developer).  Each web service invocation instantiates the listening
CFC, so it's important those CFCs are as lightweight as possible, and
then delegates to the real application CFCs to do the actual
processing.

And it's worth mentioning that you can use Model-Glue without
initializing the backend with a config bean.  Though if you're going
to go that route, I'd probably use a config bean that's simply a
delegate to the real backend, so you're still using the config bean
mechanism, just the bean you're loading is just a passthrough to the
real app.  That way both sides remain agnostic of the other.

cheers,
barneyb

On 8/8/05, Marlon Moyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm tossing around ideas for the architecture for a new project.  I'd
> like to keep the interface flexible, meaning I'd like to have the
> ability to use flash, html, "ajax",etc.  I was thinking about creating
> all of the business logic as a set of web services.  Any thoughts,
> pitfalls that I should avoid.
> 
> I really like the idea of separating out the interface from the
> business logic completely.  I like the model-glue framework from a
> high level but I get an icky feeling when I have to start initializing
> the model with a config-bean from what should be the UI.
> 
> Just thinking out loud I guess.
> 
> 
> --
> Marlon
> 
> "A mulatto, an albino, a mosquito, my libido"
> 
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Re: why we love coldfusion..........

[Aaron DC]

It'd be great if people included some of the post to which they are 
replying in their reply. Or is that difficult with today's technology?

This post by itself seems rather orphaned / random.

Aaron

Bryan Stevenson wrote:

>Gee Dave...Sam doesn't look too happy in some of the water shots...I hope 
>she was well paid for the day ;-)
>
>Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
>VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
>Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
>phone: 250.480.0642
>fax: 250.480.1264
>cell: 250.920.8830
>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  
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Re: why we love coldfusion..........

[Bryan Stevenson]

Gee Dave...Sam doesn't look too happy in some of the water shots...I hope 
she was well paid for the day ;-)

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 


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Architecture thoughts

[Marlon Moyer]

I'm tossing around ideas for the architecture for a new project.  I'd
like to keep the interface flexible, meaning I'd like to have the
ability to use flash, html, "ajax",etc.  I was thinking about creating
all of the business logic as a set of web services.  Any thoughts,
pitfalls that I should avoid.

I really like the idea of separating out the interface from the
business logic completely.  I like the model-glue framework from a
high level but I get an icky feeling when I have to start initializing
the model with a config-bean from what should be the UI.

Just thinking out loud I guess.


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RE: Development process document

[Russ Michaels]

LOL, yea :-) 

-Original Message-
From: Damien McKenna [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 August 2005 23:23
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Development process document

Send them a copy of Jeff Peter's Fusebox 4 & FLiP book, should be wordy
enough ;-)

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Bulletproof processing - Ensuring Safe CC transactions

[B G]

I am developing a nightly batch process which will process CC's through 
Verisign, then update records as approved in order to release back orders 
which have had inventory replenished.  The process is simple enough, though 
I need to ensure reliable recovery should something go wrong.

I'm looking for additional suggestions, or insight into the process which I 
may be missing.  Here's my outline:

1)  Query orders to be released
2)  Write a text log of invoices which are expected to be processed (record 
count, row number, invoice ID, customer number, amount)
3)  Send CC to Verisign, get approval for each transaction, write to log 
with row number, invoice ID, customer ID, verisign reference number
4)  Update Database with approval info, write to log indicating db has been 
updated.
5)  When ALL transactions have completed, mark log as completed, indicate 
approvals and denials,
6)  Generate email sent to me and others indicating entire process was 
complete along with transaction statistics.

The log is written AFTER each step in this process so that it can be 
reviewed to determine which invoice failed, and at what point it failed.

Also, I will be wrapping this in TRY/CATCH with error reporting to provide 
further details.  This should catch most errors that pop up (crabby DBA 
can't sleep and decides to do server maintenance in the middle of the night 
and shuts down server?)

But there are those extreme occasions when CF simply restarts itself.  
Anyone else have these?  TRY/CATCH won't catch this behavior.  This is the 
thing that worries me most.  I will have the log to show where a 
transactions fails, but in the event of a shut down, no other info.

Am I worrying too much?  Am I missing something?  Thanks.



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RE: Development process document

[Damien McKenna]

Send them a copy of Jeff Peter's Fusebox 4 & FLiP book, should be wordy
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Development process document

[Russ Michaels]

Has anyone ever documented their development process from specification
right through to final production.
I have to do this for a client who wants absolutely everything documented in
the contract, and while I can describe the process just fine, it's just not
long winded and bloated enough for a contract.
Just wondering if anyone else has an example I could look at for reference
in order to pad mine out a bit.

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RE: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[Russ]

Is there perhaps a CFEclipse plugin that's cross platform and lets you
add/edit/drop fields, etc?  I don't really like where MS is heading for SQL
Server 2005 (but maybe I just haven't discovered the proper tools to use
with it yet)... 

-Original Message-
From: Todd Mathews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 5:54 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

Yes. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:44 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle
> 
> On 8/8/05, Todd Mathews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Aqua Data Studio is quite nice and works with both.
> > 
> 
> Does Aqua Data Studio allow you to edit db properties... 
> stuff like add/edit/drop fields and tables?
> 
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RE: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[Todd Mathews]

Yes. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:44 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle
> 
> On 8/8/05, Todd Mathews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Aqua Data Studio is quite nice and works with both.
> > 
> 
> Does Aqua Data Studio allow you to edit db properties... 
> stuff like add/edit/drop fields and tables?
> 
> --
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> 
> 
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Re: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[Matt Robertson]

On 8/8/05, Todd Mathews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Aqua Data Studio is quite nice and works with both.
> 

Does Aqua Data Studio allow you to edit db properties... stuff like 
add/edit/drop fields and tables?

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RE: Enterprise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[Patrick McGeehan]

Aquadata studio (http://aquafold.com/) is a pretty nice little tool that
allows you to have connection to several different types of DBs.  Doesn't
have quite as much as TOAD, but is handy if you have several projects spread
over several DBS and are like me and need to swap between them at a moments
notice.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle


Does anyone know if Oracle or some 3rd party has tools like Enterprise
Manager or SQL Query Analyzer? We are trying to port some of our tools to
Oracle from MS SQL and are currently using SQL*Plus (command line thingy)
and some built in web interface, both of which are horrible.

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why we love coldfusion..........

[dave]

..net has gay assed bill (gay as in lame)
 php has hackers and crackers
 asp well it just was left in the cold by gay assed bill of course
 perl now comes with a free bottle of advil for the headache you get looking at 
it
 cfml has http://www.jamwerx.com/sam/cfmxrocks.jpg mossimo was righ cfm is just 
sexier ;)

 btw~ buy some of Will's shirts instead of crying over ide's.. it's 
2005 get with the program people!!!

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Re: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[Dave Carabetta]

On 8/8/05, jonese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know if Oracle or some 3rd party has tools like Enterprise
> Manager or SQL Query Analyzer? We are trying to port some of our tools to
> Oracle from MS SQL and are currently using SQL*Plus (command line thingy)
> and some built in web interface, both of which are horrible.
> 

Well, unfortunately you're not going to find anything free on the
level of EM for Oracle -- this is Oracle's real weak spot with their
product line, and, hence, their partnering with Microsoft to develop
tools for Oracle.

That being said, Quest Software offers several tools for working with
and monitoring Oracle. Oracle is really their sweet spot. However,
their products are certainly not free. Then again, if you paid all the
money you did for Oracle, the cost of their tools will pale in
comparison!

www.quest.com

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RE: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[Todd Mathews]

Aqua Data Studio is quite nice and works with both. 

http://www.aquafold.com 

> -Original Message-
> From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:59 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle
> 
> Does anyone know if Oracle or some 3rd party has tools like 
> Enterprise Manager or SQL Query Analyzer? We are trying to 
> port some of our tools to Oracle from MS SQL and are 
> currently using SQL*Plus (command line thingy) and some built 
> in web interface, both of which are horrible.
> 
> jonese
> 
> 
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Re: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[Adrocknaphobia]

TOAD is the defacto. Oracle does have an enterprise manager product
that installs when you install the client although it isnt very nice.
(but free)

-Adam

On 8/8/05, Jim Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> TOAD is my favorite:
> 
> http://www.quest.com/toad/index.asp
> 
> - Jim
> 
> jonese wrote:
> 
> >Does anyone know if Oracle or some 3rd party has tools like Enterprise
> >Manager or SQL Query Analyzer? We are trying to port some of our tools to
> >Oracle from MS SQL and are currently using SQL*Plus (command line thingy)
> >and some built in web interface, both of which are horrible.
> >
> >jonese
> >
> >
> >
> 
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RE: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[Brian Polackoff]

You may also wish to try DBArtisan 8.0

http://www.embarcadero.com/products/products.html

-Brian R. Polackoff


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TOAD is my favorite:

http://www.quest.com/toad/index.asp

- Jim

jonese wrote:

>Does anyone know if Oracle or some 3rd party has tools like Enterprise 
>Manager or SQL Query Analyzer? We are trying to port some of our tools to 
>Oracle from MS SQL and are currently using SQL*Plus (command line thingy) 
>and some built in web interface, both of which are horrible.
>
>jonese
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Re: Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[Jim Campbell]

TOAD is my favorite:

http://www.quest.com/toad/index.asp

- Jim

jonese wrote:

>Does anyone know if Oracle or some 3rd party has tools like Enterprise 
>Manager or SQL Query Analyzer? We are trying to port some of our tools to 
>Oracle from MS SQL and are currently using SQL*Plus (command line thingy) 
>and some built in web interface, both of which are horrible.
>
>jonese
>
>
>

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Enterpise Manager or Query Analyzer like tool for Oracle

[jonese]

Does anyone know if Oracle or some 3rd party has tools like Enterprise 
Manager or SQL Query Analyzer? We are trying to port some of our tools to 
Oracle from MS SQL and are currently using SQL*Plus (command line thingy) 
and some built in web interface, both of which are horrible.

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Verity k2 number search?

[Johnny Le]

Hi,

Is the Verity k2 criteria different for searching numeric than for string?  If 
my criteria is "test" or "test or new" or "new or Lisa", then I get the correct 
results, but if my criteria contains number like "5" or "test or 5". I get 
result like "white house", "london", "2" and other things that doesn't seem to 
have anything to do with the 5 I am searching for.  I know that if I search for 
"not, and, or", I have to put double quotes around it.  Is there some special 
thing I am supposed to do to the number to get it to search correctly?

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Jason Radosevich]

That would be pretty cool..  

  sometimes i wish my G/F came that way  :-)

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:33:46 -0700, Connie DeCinko wrote
> I wonder if it would be possible to make a DreamWeaver Lite?  Or at 
> least a method that would allow you to run DW in a simple, code 
> editor only mode. Then if you want the designer features, you turn 
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> Be able to enable and disable as much as you want/need or that your 
> system can handle.
> 
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> www.LoneJet.com
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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Jason Radosevich]

:-D   Sounds like a good config..  :-D

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:28:43 -0500, Dawson, Michael wrote
> 1. Disable shopping.
> 2. Enable libido.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:38 PM
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> Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
> 
> That would be pretty cool..
> 
>   sometimes i wish my G/F came that way  :-)
> 
> 

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CFForm Flash format Windows XP and Windows 2000

[David Brown]

In Windows XP the below does not happen.  All grids works as they should...

In windows 2000 pro the following happens:

Both machines are on flash 7 player.

We have a flash form that has 4 grids on it.  They are all set to edit mode 
with one  each.  If you hover over the first grid in 
windows xp you see the highlight color over the 1st row and you are able to 
click each column to add text.  If you type text you see the text add as you 
type (as you should).  But if you hover over any other three grids it will not 
highlight the 1st row and if you click on a column it does not look like you 
are able to type. But if you go ahead type and then scroll down so that the 
grid scrolls off the screen and then scroll back up you do see the text you 
just entered in the "locked" grids.


Any suggestions? 
Here is the code:




QCC Add Request Form



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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Dawson, Michael]

Ick. 

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Ah... I see - you want your girfriend to be less bloated... got it.

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Dawson, Michael]

1. Disable shopping.
2. Enable libido. 

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That would be pretty cool..  

  sometimes i wish my G/F came that way  :-)

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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Ken Ketsdever]

Well at least my IDE is logical

> "Things you can say about your IDE, but not your girlfriend."

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Re: Advanced Text Searching.

[Peter Farrell]

I've heard of people pulling recordsets from a DB and sending them to Verity.  
Have Verity return an PK ID number and them pull the whole record from the DB.

I'm wondering if you could leavage Verity here.  Have it temporarily index your 
file and run a search term against it?

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Mark A Kruger]

ha!

-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced


Ah... I see - you want your girlfriend to be less bloated... got it.


Sounds like a feature of the old "Whose line is it?"


"Things you can say about your IDE, but not your girlfriend."

PS.  Probably more of an Community, then a Talk answer.  Something that it
would be cool for us users to do.  Easily fork a thread to a different
group, with out loosing it's history.  Which just posting the answer to the
new group would do.


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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Jason Radosevich]

That too...   :-)

  i also like the idea of being able to turn on and turn off "features" to 
what you system can handle..:-)

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:58:53 -0500, Mark A Kruger wrote
> Ah... I see - you want your girfriend to be less bloated... got it.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Radosevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:43 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
> 
> Girl Friend..
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:40:01 -0500, Mark A Kruger wrote
> > Jason,
> >
> > G/F?  good feeling?  grey flannel?  help me out here...
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jason Radosevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:38 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
> >
> > That would be pretty cool..
> >
> >   sometimes i wish my G/F came that way  :-)
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:33:46 -0700, Connie DeCinko wrote
> > > I wonder if it would be possible to make a DreamWeaver Lite?  Or at
> > > least a method that would allow you to run DW in a simple, code
> > > editor only mode. Then if you want the designer features, you turn
> > > on/enable those options in the program.  Now that would be sweet.
> > > Be able to enable and disable as much as you want/need or that your
> > > system can handle.
> > >
> > > Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
> > > Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
> > > Lone Jet Enterprises
> > > Glendale, Arizona
> > > www.LoneJet.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Ian Skinner]

Ah... I see - you want your girlfriend to be less bloated... got it.


Sounds like a feature of the old "Whose line is it?"


"Things you can say about your IDE, but not your girlfriend."

PS.  Probably more of an Community, then a Talk answer.  Something that it 
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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Mark A Kruger]

Micha,

This is an EXCELLENT list of the things that bother me with DW. It is so
hard to work with files in DW.  The path thing is a real issue.

-mark

- you wrote --
- fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
- crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they
occured on specific xml files)
- showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I
might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which
project.
- step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
- enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
- fixing the lookup of selections on search
- split code view, like cfstudio had
- breakdown of cfc's in a project




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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Mark A Kruger]

Ah... I see - you want your girfriend to be less bloated... got it.

-Original Message-
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Girl Friend..
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:40:01 -0500, Mark A Kruger wrote
> Jason,
>
> G/F?  good feeling?  grey flannel?  help me out here...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Radosevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>
> That would be pretty cool..
>
>   sometimes i wish my G/F came that way  :-)
>
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:33:46 -0700, Connie DeCinko wrote
> > I wonder if it would be possible to make a DreamWeaver Lite?  Or at
> > least a method that would allow you to run DW in a simple, code
> > editor only mode. Then if you want the designer features, you turn
> > on/enable those options in the program.  Now that would be sweet.
> > Be able to enable and disable as much as you want/need or that your
> > system can handle.
> >
> > Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
> > Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
> > Lone Jet Enterprises
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RE: Unhandled System exception !

[David Manriquez Farias]

Sorry , i have and error (was when i translate the class for you guys)

The method called in main is test() not prueba()...



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De: David Manriquez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviado el: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:45 PM
Para: CF-Talk
Asunto: Unhandled System exception !

People :

 i was tried to run a simple Java Class into CF5 (yeah that dinosaur), but i
get this error..


Unhandled System exception ! 

java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: ClassFormatError for class testClass. Java
exception occurred in call to method.


My java Class is too Simple..

***
public class testClass {

public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
prueba();
}
static void test() throws Exception
{
System.out.print("wazzap Bitch!");  
}
}


dont understand wtf is going on , i have more stuff in Java inherits
CustomTags (CFX) and that works fine...


What im doiung wrong?...


Compiling and Editing with eclipse and JRE 1.5 (yeah Coldfusion 5 is fully
complatible with JRE 1.2 i know , but for the others CFX_*  works fine with
1.5)

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Micha Schopman]

The lack of a descent one in all installer is currently holding back Eclipse. 
People don't have the time to go through the entire process, of downloading 
Eclipse, downloading the Web toolkit, downloading the prequisites of that 
toolkit, downloading CFEclipse, etc. 
 
If they managed to put this all into one package, so that you get easily 
started with an Eclipse installation where you can edit 
xml,xsl,javascript,(x)html,css,cfml,php without going to that proces. And maybe 
it is there already, and I just did not searched good enough ;)
 
As far as DW 8 concerned. For me personally the real good feature is code 
collapse, but I hope they didn't took the CFStudio/Homesite codebase for this 
functionality, because everybody who used it in those old products, knows that 
when you collapsed a large amount of code, scrolling the document was a pain in 
the ass.  So at least I hope that they did look at this "feature".
 
I like the enhanced compliance tests showed in the demo on the MM site, but for 
some reason I hope for more. Like that they
- fixed the numerous issues involved with the treeview in DWMX
- crashes when searching through folders with find & replace (and they occured 
on specific xml files)
- showing the directory path of a occurence within search results so that I 
might now which one of the 1001 index.cfm's in the results belongs to which 
project.
- step into, just like Eclipse has on folders
- enabling selection and printing of the reference inside DW
- fixing the lookup of selections on search
- split code view, like cfstudio had
- breakdown of cfc's in a project
 
If they at least payed attention to the treeview they have a buyer, but I hope 
they improve the support of the product. I don't understand why there haven't 
been released more updaters for DWMX 2004. I hope they pay more attention to 
existing customers :)
 
Micha 
 


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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Ken Ferguson]

You DON'T LIKE BROCCOLI??? What in the world is the matter with you???

And to everyone who ever replies with "this is old" or "move to 
community"...

Really, I was just trying to point out that people on this list tend to 
express their opinions on the topics that come up. Most keyboards come 
complete with a delete key and most email apps even have a clickable 
delete feature in case the key is inoperable. Probably the best way to 
get a thread to end if you're sick of it is to sit in front of your 
monitor and say, "that dude's an idiot" and then exercise one of those 
two functions instead of firing off a reply which is likely to elicit 
another in its turn.

--Ferg



Connie DeCinko wrote:

>So are you going to rail on me if I tell you I don't like broccoli?
> 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:22 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
>
>It doesn't ruin my day to know that someone drives Toyota, but I don't
>happen to like them and therefore like to rail on people who do. It doesn't
>ruin my day to know that some people don't like green beans either, but when
>someone tells me that they don't, I'm likely to go into the same kind of
>argument. I'm sure you can think of some subject on which you do the same
>thing.
>
>--Ferg
>
>  
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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Tangorre, Michael]

> From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> G/F? 

Grandfather. :-)

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Unhandled System exception !

[David Manriquez]

People :

 i was tried to run a simple Java Class into CF5 (yeah that dinosaur), but i 
get this error..


Unhandled System exception ! 

java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: ClassFormatError for class testClass. Java 
exception occurred in call to method.


My java Class is too Simple..

***
public class testClass {

public static void main(String[] args) throws Exception {
prueba();
}
static void test() throws Exception
{
System.out.print("wazzap Bitch!");  
}
}


dont understand wtf is going on , i have more stuff in Java inherits CustomTags 
(CFX) and that works fine...


What im doiung wrong?...


Compiling and Editing with eclipse and JRE 1.5 (yeah Coldfusion 5 is fully 
complatible with JRE 1.2 i know , but for the others CFX_*  works fine with 1.5)

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Jason Radosevich]

Girl Friend..  
On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:40:01 -0500, Mark A Kruger wrote
> Jason,
> 
> G/F?  good feeling?  grey flannel?  help me out here...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason Radosevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
> 
> That would be pretty cool..
> 
>   sometimes i wish my G/F came that way  :-)
> 
> On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:33:46 -0700, Connie DeCinko wrote
> > I wonder if it would be possible to make a DreamWeaver Lite?  Or at
> > least a method that would allow you to run DW in a simple, code
> > editor only mode. Then if you want the designer features, you turn
> > on/enable those options in the program.  Now that would be sweet.
> > Be able to enable and disable as much as you want/need or that your
> > system can handle.
> >
> > Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
> > Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
> > Lone Jet Enterprises
> > Glendale, Arizona
> > www.LoneJet.com
> >
> >
> 
> 

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Mark A Kruger]

Jason,

G/F?  good feeling?  grey flannel?  help me out here...

-Original Message-
From: Jason Radosevich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:38 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced


That would be pretty cool..

  sometimes i wish my G/F came that way  :-)

On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 12:33:46 -0700, Connie DeCinko wrote
> I wonder if it would be possible to make a DreamWeaver Lite?  Or at
> least a method that would allow you to run DW in a simple, code
> editor only mode. Then if you want the designer features, you turn
> on/enable those options in the program.  Now that would be sweet.
> Be able to enable and disable as much as you want/need or that your
> system can handle.
>
> Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
> Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
> Lone Jet Enterprises
> Glendale, Arizona
> www.LoneJet.com
>
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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Mark A Kruger]

They have that... it's called "homesite" and there's a button for "launch
dreamweaver"  :)

-Original Message-
From: Connie DeCinko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced


I wonder if it would be possible to make a DreamWeaver Lite?  Or at least a
method that would allow you to run DW in a simple, code editor only mode.
Then if you want the designer features, you turn on/enable those options in
the program.  Now that would be sweet.  Be able to enable and disable as
much as you want/need or that your system can handle.


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Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com







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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Connie DeCinko]

I have not read the information yet, but wonder if anything has changed in
regards to licensing?  I find it silly that I must pay for two licenses for
each developer that happens to work part-time on a notebook and part-time on
a desktop computer.  I thought the world was moving to a check-out system?
So you could have say 5 licenses and 5 users working at any given time, even
if you have dozens of authorized users.
 
 
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Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
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RE: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info

[Micha Schopman]

Butch,
 
We have developed an inhouse product which does such but it is sold on an asp 
basis (and I am working on an opensource variant for the future), so I can give 
you globally the idea how we did this and look. 
 
Each site is an application based on a cm system. They all use the same 
codebase, whereas each object is available as a shared object. If there is a 
bug in the object, a single file change would accommodate all clients. So if 
you have 20 sites they all are fixed at once. For the sites who require custom 
objects they can be overridden. 
 
By per site configuration you can specify the database to use, and you are able 
to share content stores, workflow, etc. whatever you need. 
 
Maybe you should take a look at FarCry (or if you have the money, CommonSpot), 
I bet they deliver similair functionality without the need for you to reinvent 
the wheel.
 
cms
  -- nonwww
 -- www.domain1.com
 -- www.domain2.com
-- objects
   -- article
   -- page
   -- etc.
-- assets
  -- www
   -- shared   
  -- objects
  -- page
  -- article
  edit.cfm
   -- sitedata
   -- www.domain1.com
   -- www.domain2.com
 
  
   
 



From: Butch Zaccheo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 8/8/2005 6:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info



Hi Everyone,

My company has asked me to deploy multiple websites for multiple countries
each with it¹s own domain. Each country will have info slightly modified to
reflect their own information (events, news, special promos), but the bulk
of the information will be the same.

Here¹s my question:

1. What are other web developers doing in this circumstance?
2. Is there cf content management software that would allow me to use
multiple domains and maintain only one whole site, sharing pages that would
be the same for every site?
3. Or should I deploy a site for each domain and update each manually even
though most of the info is the same?

Hopefully this isn¹t to broad a question for this list. I¹m very interested
to find out if others in the CF community already have working solutions.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Butch Zaccheo
Web Development
Edirol Corporation




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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Connie DeCinko]

I wonder if it would be possible to make a DreamWeaver Lite?  Or at least a
method that would allow you to run DW in a simple, code editor only mode.
Then if you want the designer features, you turn on/enable those options in
the program.  Now that would be sweet.  Be able to enable and disable as
much as you want/need or that your system can handle.
 
 
Constanty "Connie" DeCinko III
Web Architect, Webmaster, Web Developer
Lone Jet Enterprises
Glendale, Arizona
www.LoneJet.com
 




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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Connie DeCinko]

So are you going to rail on me if I tell you I don't like broccoli?
 

-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:22 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced

It doesn't ruin my day to know that someone drives Toyota, but I don't
happen to like them and therefore like to rail on people who do. It doesn't
ruin my day to know that some people don't like green beans either, but when
someone tells me that they don't, I'm likely to go into the same kind of
argument. I'm sure you can think of some subject on which you do the same
thing.

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Merrill, Jason]

I drive a Toyota and ironically eat green beans  - feel free to contact
me off-list about the various angles on that.

(in other words, I agree this thread is getting pointless and needs to
end)

Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com










>>-Original Message-
>>From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 3:22 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>It doesn't ruin my day to know that someone drives Toyota, but I don't
>>happen to like them and therefore like to rail on people who do. It
>>doesn't ruin my day to know that some people don't like green beans
>>either, but when someone tells me that they don't, I'm likely to go
into
>>the same kind of argument. I'm sure you can think of some subject on
>>which you do the same thing.
>>
>>--Ferg
>>
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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Ken Ferguson]

"If you don't like / use DW, than why even take part in this thread? It
obviously doesn't concern you, so what do you care?"

Sure it concerns me. I want everyone to use CFE so it has a huge user base and 
gets max attention, so every time this conversation comes up I'm going to take 
the opportunity to make a couple comments on why I think it's better or at 
least point out why I think DW is worse.

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Re: Need help with XML to JavaScript

[Jerry Johnson]

Also, there is some great code in Konfabulator widgets (javascript
based) that do this.

On 8/8/05, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Been a while since I've asked for help so hopefully this plea works!
> >
> > Basically, I want to provide data from my database to other websites
> > in the form of simple cut and paste JavaScript code which other
> > webmasters can include in their plain HTML websites.  It's a simple
> > data structure - your basic address book stuff:  company name, address,
> > phone, etc.
> >
> > Can anyone provide a simple example of how another website, using
> > JavaScript alone, can query my system to return an XML package back to
> > them which is then interpreted on their end with the simple JavaScript
> > I give them?  I'm sure this is pretty common since I see it done with
> > newsfeeds and such all the time.
> >
> > ---mark
> 
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Apple's Developers site has a pretty good demo of this - 
> http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
> 
> It uses the XMLHttpRequest object to return an xml package.
> 
> hth,
> 
> larry
> 
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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Ken Ferguson]

It doesn't ruin my day to know that someone drives Toyota, but I don't 
happen to like them and therefore like to rail on people who do. It 
doesn't ruin my day to know that some people don't like green beans 
either, but when someone tells me that they don't, I'm likely to go into 
the same kind of argument. I'm sure you can think of some subject on 
which you do the same thing.

--Ferg



Tangorre, Michael wrote:

>>From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>If you mean that opening it is something very different than 
>>what you usually do with it, then yeah maybe so. I don't 
>>understand how any of you guys can use DW. I've got another 
>>CF developer in the office who uses it and we have this 
>>conversation about once a week as he struggles with it 
>>hanging up, slowing to a crawl... I'm glad to hear that MM 
>>has added even more stuff to DW. I'm sure it's likely now to 
>>fight for the title, "biggest software pig" with even more 
>>success than previously.
>>
>>
>
>I don't understand why anyone cares what IDE "other" developers use?
>Does it ruin your day knowing some people like DW over HS+ and some like
>Eclipse over Studio 4.5, etc? Who cares. Use what you like.
>
>
>  
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Re: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info

[Matt Robertson]

Butch,
 Sorry but I have no idea with respect to other systems. I would *think* 
that if its a mature system it would indeed be able to mirror a page. Its a 
fairly simple thing to map one page to another. It gets tricky when you 
start getting things like user permissions into the mix but certainly its 
not brain surgery.
 I keep a live demo locked away. Contact me off-list if you want to play 
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Re: Need help with XML to JavaScript

[Larry Lyons]

> Hello,
> 
> Been a while since I've asked for help so hopefully this plea works!
> 
> Basically, I want to provide data from my database to other websites 
> in the form of simple cut and paste JavaScript code which other 
> webmasters can include in their plain HTML websites.  It's a simple 
> data structure - your basic address book stuff:  company name, address, 
> phone, etc.
> 
> Can anyone provide a simple example of how another website, using 
> JavaScript alone, can query my system to return an XML package back to 
> them which is then interpreted on their end with the simple JavaScript 
> I give them?  I'm sure this is pretty common since I see it done with 
> newsfeeds and such all the time.
> 
> ---mark


Mark,

Apple's Developers site has a pretty good demo of this - 
http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html

It uses the XMLHttpRequest object to return an xml package.

hth,

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Kevin Aebig]

Enough is enough. This flame contest is completely pointless, unconstructive
and neither side is willing going budge, so give up this up already.

If you don't like / use DW, than why even take part in this thread? It
obviously doesn't concern you, so what do you care? 

Kevin

-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: August 8, 2005 12:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced

If you mean that opening it is something very different than what you 
usually do with it, then yeah maybe so. I don't understand how any of 
you guys can use DW. I've got another CF developer in the office who 
uses it and we have this conversation about once a week as he struggles 
with it hanging up, slowing to a crawl... I'm glad to hear that MM has 
added even more stuff to DW. I'm sure it's likely now to fight for the 
title, "biggest software pig" with even more success than previously.

-Ferg

Merrill, Jason wrote:

>I've never thought the performance of the actual authoring tool was ever
>much of a problem, I usually am thinking more about the performance of
>the end product.  Dreamweaver itself has never given me much of a
>"performance" problem, though maybe what you do with it is very
>different than what I do with it.  Interesting.
>
>Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
>>>  
>>>
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>
>>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:32 AM
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>>>
>>>Yes the tool- DW is a bloatware tool.  Like some others on this lists,
>>>  
>>>
>I
>  
>
>>>had/have used it since version 0.9 but I can honestly say that I could
>>>  
>>>
>count
>  
>
>>>on one hand the amount of times I have opened it in the last month -
>>>  
>>>
>there
>  
>
>>>really is no need for it  - Eclipse with VSS and CFEclipse plugins
>>>  
>>>
>serves me
>  
>
>>>better than DW could.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Sent: 08 August 2005 16:32
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>>>
>>>Performance of what?  The development tool I don't see what you're
>>>getting at.
>>>
>>>Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>-Original Message-
>From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
>  
>
>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>  
>>>
>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:13 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>
>I think one of the off putting things is that you get better
>  
>
>>>performance and
>>>  
>>>
>stability from Eclipse (which is slowly eating up the DW market)
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 08 August 2005 16:19
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>
>Sure, maybe if all you do is Coldfusion, but I'm surprised you don't
>like some of the new features of Dreamweaver at least.  Maybe its
>  
>
>not
>  
>
>for you then.  Me, I use all the products in the studio almost daily
>  
>
>>>and
>>>  
>>>
>the new features are really fantastic from my point of view.
>
>Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:16 AM
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
>>>
>>>On Monday 08 August 2005 15:58, Merrill, Jason wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
>>
>>
Are you insane?  $399 for Dreamweaver 8,


>>>Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
>>>None by the looks of it...
>>>--
>>>
>>>Tom Chiverton
>>>Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
>
>  
>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
>



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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Tangorre, Michael]

> From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> If you mean that opening it is something very different than 
> what you usually do with it, then yeah maybe so. I don't 
> understand how any of you guys can use DW. I've got another 
> CF developer in the office who uses it and we have this 
> conversation about once a week as he struggles with it 
> hanging up, slowing to a crawl... I'm glad to hear that MM 
> has added even more stuff to DW. I'm sure it's likely now to 
> fight for the title, "biggest software pig" with even more 
> success than previously.

I don't understand why anyone cares what IDE "other" developers use?
Does it ruin your day knowing some people like DW over HS+ and some like
Eclipse over Studio 4.5, etc? Who cares. Use what you like.

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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Ken Ferguson]

If you mean that opening it is something very different than what you 
usually do with it, then yeah maybe so. I don't understand how any of 
you guys can use DW. I've got another CF developer in the office who 
uses it and we have this conversation about once a week as he struggles 
with it hanging up, slowing to a crawl... I'm glad to hear that MM has 
added even more stuff to DW. I'm sure it's likely now to fight for the 
title, "biggest software pig" with even more success than previously.

-Ferg

Merrill, Jason wrote:

>I've never thought the performance of the actual authoring tool was ever
>much of a problem, I usually am thinking more about the performance of
>the end product.  Dreamweaver itself has never given me much of a
>"performance" problem, though maybe what you do with it is very
>different than what I do with it.  Interesting.
>
>Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
>>>  
>>>
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  
>
>>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:32 AM
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>>>
>>>Yes the tool- DW is a bloatware tool.  Like some others on this lists,
>>>  
>>>
>I
>  
>
>>>had/have used it since version 0.9 but I can honestly say that I could
>>>  
>>>
>count
>  
>
>>>on one hand the amount of times I have opened it in the last month -
>>>  
>>>
>there
>  
>
>>>really is no need for it  - Eclipse with VSS and CFEclipse plugins
>>>  
>>>
>serves me
>  
>
>>>better than DW could.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Sent: 08 August 2005 16:32
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>>>
>>>Performance of what?  The development tool I don't see what you're
>>>getting at.
>>>
>>>Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>-Original Message-
>From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
>  
>
>>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>  
>>>
>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:13 AM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>
>I think one of the off putting things is that you get better
>  
>
>>>performance and
>>>  
>>>
>stability from Eclipse (which is slowly eating up the DW market)
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 08 August 2005 16:19
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>
>Sure, maybe if all you do is Coldfusion, but I'm surprised you don't
>like some of the new features of Dreamweaver at least.  Maybe its
>  
>
>not
>  
>
>for you then.  Me, I use all the products in the studio almost daily
>  
>
>>>and
>>>  
>>>
>the new features are really fantastic from my point of view.
>
>Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>>-Original Message-
>>>From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:16 AM
>>>To: CF-Talk
>>>Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
>>>
>>>On Monday 08 August 2005 15:58, Merrill, Jason wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
>>
>>
Are you insane?  $399 for Dreamweaver 8,


>>>Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
>>>None by the looks of it...
>>>--
>>>
>>>Tom Chiverton
>>>Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
>
>  
>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>
>

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RE: Advanced Text Searching.

[Ian Skinner]

Well, that is basically what I do, just on a much smaller scale.  So, maybe I 
can increase the scale and see if that improves performance.

The code is as follows.

These two functions, initializes the CFC, creating a pointer array as well as 
the java objects.





variables.file = arguments.file;

variables.filePointers = arrayNew(1);
variables.filePointers[1] = 0;
variables.page = 1;

initJava();







variables.randomAccessFile = createObject("java", "java.io.RandomAccessFile");
variables.randomAccessFile.init(variables.file,"r");

variables.EOF = false;




Here is my search function, which searches the text one "page" at a time.





var foobar = "";
var breakit = 0;
var maxSearch = 100;
var timmer = getTickCount();
arguments.searchValue = "(" & arguments.searchValue & ")";

do
{
foobar = readForward();
breakit = breakit + 1;
} while (NOT reFind(arguments.searchValue,foobar) AND breakit LT maxSearch);
timmer = (getTickCount() - timmer) / 1000;

if (breakit EQ maxSearch AND NOT reFind(arguments.searchValue,foobar))
foobar = "Search Failed: " & maxSearch & " 
pages Searched in " & timmer & " seconds." & foobar;

foobar = reReplace(foobar,arguments.searchValue,"\1","ALL");





This function reads the next page in the file.  If a pointer already exists, it 
uses that otherwise it searches for the next pointer.



 | " 
& numberformat(variables.filePointers[page + 1]) & " of " & 
numberformat(variables.randomAccessFile.length()) & " bytes" & 
outputStr>

 




The code that actually reads the data from the file.





var outputStr = "";
var line = "";
var linePointer = 0;

variables.randomAccessFile.seek(arguments.filePointer);

try 
{
line = variables.randomAccessFile.readLine();
outputStr = outputStr & format(line);

do
{
linePointer = variables.randomAccessFile.getFilePointer();
line = variables.randomAccessFile.readLine();

if (NOT ReFind(">>Web Hit>>",line))
outputStr = outputStr & format(line);

} while (NOT ReFind(">>Web Hit>>",line));

if (variables.page EQ arrayLen(variables.filePointers))
arrayAppend(variables.filePointers,linePointer);

} 
catch (coldfusion.runtime.UndefinedVariableException e) 
{
// this indicates end of file, ok to ignore error
outputStr = outputStr & chr(13) & chr(10) & "-EOF-";
variables.startLine = "";
variables.EOF = true;
}





Just copying this into the e-mail gave me another idea.  I am using the 
existing pointers when I know the for the start of a page block, but I could 
also be using these page pointers for the end of the block as well.  Stop 
searching every time to define a page.  I'm sure that would help some, after 
the initial read of a section of the file.

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Re: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info

[Butch Zaccheo]

Thanx everyone for your input.

That's what I was looking for Matt. Would something like Farcry have similar
features to Content Manager Pro? Or a better question would be, is this
something most CMS software does or is it specific to Content Manager Pro?

On 8/8/05 10:33 AM, "Matt Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Like this? 
> http://lelandwest.com
> http://corvetteinsurance.com
> http://porscheinsurance.com
> http://ferrariinsurance.com
> http://classiccarinsurance.biz
> All are running under the same cms (ContentMonger Pro) and all have the
> same back end for admin. The headers and footers and menu colorations are
> different. An individual page -- if it has no changes from the 'root' found
> in the first domain -- uses a 'mirror this page to another' menu choice in
> the editor that does exactly what it sounds like. Once its set up, if you
> change the mirror all of its reflections change as well.
> If there are ANY changes in content you keep the page local and edit it
> manually. At present this would be something like an email address within
> the page itself, where [EMAIL PROTECTED] needs to be [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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RE: Advanced Text Searching.

[Matthew Small]

I'm not familiar with the java classes that do this, but you could load it
in large chunks - say, anywhere from 1 meg to 10 megs, size is up to you -
and parse each as a string using string functions. Do you have any code to
share that you're using already?  How long is it taking now?


Matthew Small


-Original Message-
From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Advanced Text Searching.

The file I originally built this applet to parse though is ~166,173 KB.
This tool was just to display the file in formatted HTML to make it easier
to scan through, and figure out which of thousands of entries where causing
problems in the application the log file relates through.  

This worked well, and once I finished the tool it only took me about 15
minutes to find the problem entries and see a likely candidate for the
problem.

But after using the underlining Java classes to do this, I kind of went; "Ah
ha."  I think this could be useful in other places, if the performance was a
bit better.


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RE: Advanced Text Searching.

[Ian Skinner]

The file I originally built this applet to parse though is ~166,173 KB.  This 
tool was just to display the file in formatted HTML to make it easier to scan 
through, and figure out which of thousands of entries where causing problems in 
the application the log file relates through.  

This worked well, and once I finished the tool it only took me about 15 minutes 
to find the problem entries and see a likely candidate for the problem.

But after using the underlining Java classes to do this, I kind of went; "Ah 
ha."  I think this could be useful in other places, if the performance was a 
bit better.


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Re: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info

[Matt Robertson]

Like this? 
 http://lelandwest.com
http://corvetteinsurance.com
http://porscheinsurance.com
http://ferrariinsurance.com
http://classiccarinsurance.biz
 All are running under the same cms (ContentMonger Pro) and all have the 
same back end for admin. The headers and footers and menu colorations are 
different. An individual page -- if it has no changes from the 'root' found 
in the first domain -- uses a 'mirror this page to another' menu choice in 
the editor that does exactly what it sounds like. Once its set up, if you 
change the mirror all of its reflections change as well.
 If there are ANY changes in content you keep the page local and edit it 
manually. At present this would be something like an email address within 
the page itself, where [EMAIL PROTECTED] needs to be [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info

[Adrocknaphobia]

I wouldn't advise creating seperate tables per country you wish to
support. One, it would be a nightmare to maintain and Two there are
much better ways to do this.

Try something more along the lines of:

TBL_Content - Hold the content
TBL_Country - Holds country identifiers and data
TBL_Country - Relates content to a specific country

In Ewok's example if you had anews story that was worldwide you would
end up with duplicate records in the multiple tables.

-Adam

On 8/8/05, Ewok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about just sharing a datasource?
> 
> You could have the main tables that are shared across the sites then you
> could have individual news tables or whatever else needs to be specific to
> certain sites. One update to the main shared tables would reflect across all
> the sites and individual table updates would only show on the sites that
> query those tables.
> 
> Tbl_main_bulk_info
> 
> Tbl_US_News
> Tbl_UK_News
> 
> Tbl_US_Events
> Tbl_UK_Events
> 
> Etc...
> 
> Depending on your table naming conventions, you could even make it that much
> easier by setting a variable on the individual sites like...
> 
> 
> 
> Then when you query say the news for the site you query
> "tbl_#countrycode#_news"
> 
> The code would be the same on all sites
> 
> Just some thoughts
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Butch Zaccheo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> My company has asked me to deploy multiple websites for multiple countries
> each with it¹s own domain. Each country will have info slightly modified to
> reflect their own information (events, news, special promos), but the bulk
> of the information will be the same.
> 
> Here¹s my question:
> 
> 1. What are other web developers doing in this circumstance?
> 2. Is there cf content management software that would allow me to use
> multiple domains and maintain only one whole site, sharing pages that would
> be the same for every site?
> 3. Or should I deploy a site for each domain and update each manually even
> though most of the info is the same?
> 
> Hopefully this isn¹t to broad a question for this list. I¹m very interested
> to find out if others in the CF community already have working solutions.
> 
> Any help would be much appreciated.
> 
> Butch Zaccheo
> Web Development
> Edirol Corporation
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Advanced Text Searching.

[Matthew Small]

What would be a typical file size?
 
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From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Advanced Text Searching.

I'm using a java class (RandomAccessFile) to read through a large text log
file.  My applet has a search capability, but it is not very efficient.  

This is my lack of a Computer Science degree shows up.  My search is a
vanilla linear text search starting at the beginning and going to the end of
the text file.  It takes about 9 seconds to search approximately 1% of the
file.

I made this work by stopping it at a certain point (100 arbitrary "pages").
Not too bad.  But are they more sophisticated, efficient and/or quicker
methods to search an unordered text file for matching parameter strings?
Can these methods be utilized in a simple ColdFusion and/or Java way without
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Re: Advanced Text Searching.

[Barney Boisvert]

If you've got to search the raw file, not really.  Every search
optimization "thing" builds an index of some sort that is very fast to
search, and then matches are related back to the real data so you can
pull out the right stuff.  Building such an index is expensive, but if
you're going do a lot of searching, then it's well worth it.

Assuming you don't want to index the file before searching it, you can
probably get a little better speed by increasing the buffer size of
your BufferedReader and pull larger blocks of the file into memory for
searching.  I.e. don't read a line, see if it matches, and then move
onto the next, read in a hundred lines, and see if there are any
matches.  If there aren't, move to the next block, but if there are,
then break it down into individual lines and figure out which one
actually matches so you can display.  As long as you've got a
miss-heavy search, that should be faster, because the actual search
machinery will have to be started up far fewer times.

Threading would also be a way to give the appearance of speed without
actually having to run any faster (because you could start showing
results as they're found, rather than waiting until the search is
complete), but that's a rich topic to get into if you're trying to
avoid a crash course in CS.  ;)

cheers,
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On 8/8/05, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm using a java class (RandomAccessFile) to read through a large text log 
> file.  My applet has a search capability, but it is not very efficient.
> 
> This is my lack of a Computer Science degree shows up.  My search is a 
> vanilla linear text search starting at the beginning and going to the end of 
> the text file.  It takes about 9 seconds to search approximately 1% of the 
> file.
> 
> I made this work by stopping it at a certain point (100 arbitrary "pages").  
> Not too bad.  But are they more sophisticated, efficient and/or quicker 
> methods to search an unordered text file for matching parameter strings?  Can 
> these methods be utilized in a simple ColdFusion and/or Java way without 3 
> months of study?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> Web Programmer
> BloodSource
> www.BloodSource.org
> Sacramento, CA
> 

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Advanced Text Searching.

[Ian Skinner]

I'm using a java class (RandomAccessFile) to read through a large text log 
file.  My applet has a search capability, but it is not very efficient.  

This is my lack of a Computer Science degree shows up.  My search is a vanilla 
linear text search starting at the beginning and going to the end of the text 
file.  It takes about 9 seconds to search approximately 1% of the file.

I made this work by stopping it at a certain point (100 arbitrary "pages").  
Not too bad.  But are they more sophisticated, efficient and/or quicker methods 
to search an unordered text file for matching parameter strings?  Can these 
methods be utilized in a simple ColdFusion and/or Java way without 3 months of 
study?




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Re: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info

[Jerry Johnson]

I have set this up occasionally where I have a default content file
for each page, and the ability to override that content with a
local/specific version of a file.

The behavior then becomes show the local version if it exists, or
default to the generic if not.

On 8/8/05, Ewok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about just sharing a datasource?
> 
> You could have the main tables that are shared across the sites then you
> could have individual news tables or whatever else needs to be specific to
> certain sites. One update to the main shared tables would reflect across all
> the sites and individual table updates would only show on the sites that
> query those tables.
> 
> Tbl_main_bulk_info
> 
> Tbl_US_News
> Tbl_UK_News
> 
> Tbl_US_Events
> Tbl_UK_Events
> 
> Etc...
> 
> Depending on your table naming conventions, you could even make it that much
> easier by setting a variable on the individual sites like...
> 
> 
> 
> Then when you query say the news for the site you query
> "tbl_#countrycode#_news"
> 
> The code would be the same on all sites
> 
> Just some thoughts
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Butch Zaccheo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:47 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> My company has asked me to deploy multiple websites for multiple countries
> each with it¹s own domain. Each country will have info slightly modified to
> reflect their own information (events, news, special promos), but the bulk
> of the information will be the same.
> 
> Here¹s my question:
> 
> 1. What are other web developers doing in this circumstance?
> 2. Is there cf content management software that would allow me to use
> multiple domains and maintain only one whole site, sharing pages that would
> be the same for every site?
> 3. Or should I deploy a site for each domain and update each manually even
> though most of the info is the same?
> 
> Hopefully this isn¹t to broad a question for this list. I¹m very interested
> to find out if others in the CF community already have working solutions.
> 
> Any help would be much appreciated.
> 
> Butch Zaccheo
> Web Development
> Edirol Corporation
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info

[Ewok]

How about just sharing a datasource?

You could have the main tables that are shared across the sites then you
could have individual news tables or whatever else needs to be specific to
certain sites. One update to the main shared tables would reflect across all
the sites and individual table updates would only show on the sites that
query those tables.

Tbl_main_bulk_info

Tbl_US_News
Tbl_UK_News

Tbl_US_Events
Tbl_UK_Events

Etc...

Depending on your table naming conventions, you could even make it that much
easier by setting a variable on the individual sites like... 



Then when you query say the news for the site you query
"tbl_#countrycode#_news"

The code would be the same on all sites

Just some thoughts


-Original Message-
From: Butch Zaccheo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info

Hi Everyone,

My company has asked me to deploy multiple websites for multiple countries
each with it¹s own domain. Each country will have info slightly modified to
reflect their own information (events, news, special promos), but the bulk
of the information will be the same.

Here¹s my question:

1. What are other web developers doing in this circumstance?
2. Is there cf content management software that would allow me to use
multiple domains and maintain only one whole site, sharing pages that would
be the same for every site?
3. Or should I deploy a site for each domain and update each manually even
though most of the info is the same?

Hopefully this isn¹t to broad a question for this list. I¹m very interested
to find out if others in the CF community already have working solutions.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Butch Zaccheo
Web Development
Edirol Corporation




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Re: OT: (svn) merging between multiple branches

[Barney Boisvert]

Well, you're actually only making the change in one file, just in two
different places in the history coordinate system. ;)  If you had two
files that needed the same edit, then you could do it with one commit,
but because it's the same file existing in multiple "places", you have
to use two commits.  Note that in any case, the tags (you could use
revision numbers as well, if you wanted), will isolate the merge from
any other changes that have occurred in either the trunk or the
branch, so you needn't worry about that.

In reality, Subversion would let you cheat slightly, if you want.  If
you create a mixed-version working directory that contains the file on
both the trunk and the branch, you could make the change manually in
both files, and then commit them as one transaction.  You can do this
because branches are copies, nothing more, and should therefore be
considered an exploit of an implementation detail, not necessarily a
intentionally exposed feature.  I wouldn't recommend doing that, since
it's a lot less clear what happened compared to explicit "made a
change" and then "merged changes" operations.

cheers,
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 6:38 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: Re: OT: (svn) merging between multiple branches
> >
> > Nope, you're doing two things, so you have to commit twice.
> 
> Interesting idea.  The complexity is that the code in trunk has changed
> but the branch has stayed as it was since the branching.  I guess I was
> really wondering if there was a way to have one file diff (e.g. line 43
> on both has changed the same way) be marked on two separate files
> without having to commit two changes, but I now that in the scheme of
> things I really shouldn't fuss over it :)
> 
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> #include 
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Deployment of Multiple Websites with almost identical Info

[Butch Zaccheo]

Hi Everyone,

My company has asked me to deploy multiple websites for multiple countries
each with it¹s own domain. Each country will have info slightly modified to
reflect their own information (events, news, special promos), but the bulk
of the information will be the same.

Here¹s my question:

1. What are other web developers doing in this circumstance?
2. Is there cf content management software that would allow me to use
multiple domains and maintain only one whole site, sharing pages that would
be the same for every site?
3. Or should I deploy a site for each domain and update each manually even
though most of the info is the same?

Hopefully this isn¹t to broad a question for this list. I¹m very interested
to find out if others in the CF community already have working solutions.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Butch Zaccheo
Web Development
Edirol Corporation


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Re: Studio 8 announced (flash player 8 in firefox)

[Phill B]

On 8/8/05, Thomas Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 08 August 2005 16:16, Rodney Enke wrote:
> > There are some extensions in Firefox that cause problems with the new flash
> > player. Try disabling them if you have any installed.
> 
> I've just posted over on the AdBlock forums - hopefully they can resolve this
> in a new build in time for Flash 8 release.
> 
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Thanks for posting it Tom. I can't live with out adblock or flash.

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RE: OT: (svn) merging between multiple branches

[Damien McKenna]

> -Original Message-
> From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 6:38 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: OT: (svn) merging between multiple branches
> 
> Nope, you're doing two things, so you have to commit twice.

Interesting idea.  The complexity is that the code in trunk has changed
but the branch has stayed as it was since the branching.  I guess I was
really wondering if there was a way to have one file diff (e.g. line 43
on both has changed the same way) be marked on two separate files
without having to commit two changes, but I now that in the scheme of
things I really shouldn't fuss over it :)

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Re: Studio 8 announced (flash player 8 in firefox)

[Thomas Chiverton]

On Monday 08 August 2005 16:16, Rodney Enke wrote:
> There are some extensions in Firefox that cause problems with the new flash
> player. Try disabling them if you have any installed.

I've just posted over on the AdBlock forums - hopefully they can resolve this 
in a new build in time for Flash 8 release.

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RE: Access to Calling Template Information in a CFC?

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:40 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Access to Calling Template Information in a CFC?

Yeah - I misrepresented that.

Currently, in a CFC method, "getBaseTemplatePath()" works just fine, but
"getCurrentTemplatePath()" returned the path to the CFC, not the template
running the method.

This makes sense but has one pretty big limitation.

So, say, you're running your CFC method in a custom tag: you can't get the
path to that custom tag unless you pass it into the method (probably using
getCurrentTemplatePath()).

I was hoping to simplify this by allowing the method to take either a path
or a keyword ("current" or "base") and determining those paths on its own.
Right now it either takes a path or uses the Base Template Path by default.

Ah well... Paths.getRelFromWebRoot("Current") might have been nice, but
Paths.getRelFromWebRoot(getCurrentTemplatePath()) works.

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Re: cfgrid/flash remoting

[Paul Hastings]

Kevin Aebig wrote:
> Flashes idea of a recordset is an array of objects. A simple function should
> be able to turn it into a query for you...

thanks. i think it's an "associative" array though the java hashmap 
seems closer to cf (and thats what i get when i fiddled with it) but 
that includes cfgrid goop (rowindex, etc.). i also just dug up looping 
over Flash.Param which i guess is simplest.

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Merrill, Jason]

I've never thought the performance of the actual authoring tool was ever
much of a problem, I usually am thinking more about the performance of
the end product.  Dreamweaver itself has never given me much of a
"performance" problem, though maybe what you do with it is very
different than what I do with it.  Interesting.

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>>-Original Message-
>>From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:32 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>Yes the tool- DW is a bloatware tool.  Like some others on this lists,
I
>>had/have used it since version 0.9 but I can honestly say that I could
count
>>on one hand the amount of times I have opened it in the last month -
there
>>really is no need for it  - Eclipse with VSS and CFEclipse plugins
serves me
>>better than DW could.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 08 August 2005 16:32
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>Performance of what?  The development tool I don't see what you're
>>getting at.
>>
>>Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced

I think one of the off putting things is that you get better
>>performance and
stability from Eclipse (which is slowly eating up the DW market)



-Original Message-
From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 08 August 2005 16:19
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced

Sure, maybe if all you do is Coldfusion, but I'm surprised you don't
like some of the new features of Dreamweaver at least.  Maybe its
not
for you then.  Me, I use all the products in the studio almost daily
>>and
the new features are really fantastic from my point of view.

Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com










>>-Original Message-
>>From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:16 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>On Monday 08 August 2005 15:58, Merrill, Jason wrote:
>>> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
>>> Are you insane?  $399 for Dreamweaver 8,
>>
>>Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
>>None by the looks of it...
>>--
>>
>>Tom Chiverton
>>Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
>>
>>




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RE: cfgrid/flash remoting

[Kevin Aebig]

Flashes idea of a recordset is an array of objects. A simple function should
be able to turn it into a query for you...

Cheers,

Kevin

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Subject: cfgrid/flash remoting

i don't suppose there's an easier way of handling what a cfgrid passes 
back thru flash remoting? it looks to be some kind of hashMap 
(flashgateway.io.ASObject) and while i can tease it apart like a hashMap 
(using entrySet/keySet) i was hoping that there was an easier way? any 
docs, etc.? the cf docs on flash remoting are kind of sparse.

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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Dave Carabetta]

On 8/8/05, Phill B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wish bad script detection was the problem for me but its not. Things
> work great in IE but not flash. Oh well.
> 

Have you made sure to install the latest beta that was released on
Friday (not sure if you had a beta installed previous to that)?

Also, this blog entry (well, the comments) might suggest something:

http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd/archives/2005/08/new_player_beta.cfm

It looks like one of the popular Firefox extensions doesn't play well
with Flash Player 8 content.

Other than that, I have nothing else to suggest, sorry! Just trying to
brainstorm with you.

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Connie DeCinko]

Another excuse to give CFEclipse a try.
 
 
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Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced

On Monday 08 August 2005 15:58, Merrill, Jason wrote:
> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
> Are you insane?  $399 for Dreamweaver 8,

Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
None by the looks of it...
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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

Yes the tool- DW is a bloatware tool.  Like some others on this lists, I
had/have used it since version 0.9 but I can honestly say that I could count
on one hand the amount of times I have opened it in the last month - there
really is no need for it  - Eclipse with VSS and CFEclipse plugins serves me
better than DW could.




-Original Message-
From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 August 2005 16:32
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced

Performance of what?  The development tool I don't see what you're
getting at.  

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>>-Original Message-
>>From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:13 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>I think one of the off putting things is that you get better
performance and
>>stability from Eclipse (which is slowly eating up the DW market)
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 08 August 2005 16:19
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>Sure, maybe if all you do is Coldfusion, but I'm surprised you don't
>>like some of the new features of Dreamweaver at least.  Maybe its not
>>for you then.  Me, I use all the products in the studio almost daily
and
>>the new features are really fantastic from my point of view.
>>
>>Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced

On Monday 08 August 2005 15:58, Merrill, Jason wrote:
> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
> Are you insane?  $399 for Dreamweaver 8,

Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
None by the looks of it...
--

Tom Chiverton
Advanced ColdFusion Programmer


>>
>>
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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Adrocknaphobia]

I'd like to see the data that supports this statement.

You know 99.9% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

-Adam

On 8/8/05, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: Dynamic Tree view in ColdFusion

[Deanna Schneider]

I'd like to see that. :)

On 8/8/05, Thomas Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And I've got one that uses Ajax to fetch the sub nodes for a node :-)
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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Kevin Graeme]

Here's a brief overview of the new features:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/productinfo/features/

Some developer related things are:
- Background file transfer
- Coding toolbar including comment/uncomment
- Code collapse
- Compare files.
- Support of PHP5
- Updated reference material for XML, XSLT and XPATH.

Presumeably they'll have trial versions and you can see if the new features
work for you or not.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

> Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
> None by the looks of it...
> -- 
> 
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> Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
> 
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Re: Access to Calling Template Information in a CFC?

[S . Isaac Dealey]

> I've a "Paths" library which is used throughout my
> applications to construct
> the various paths needed for a page.

> Currently when I use many of the functions I must pass in
> the results of
> "CurrentTemplatePath()" to extract the proper path.  It
> would be so much
> simpler if the method call had some knowledge of the
> template which called
> it (I know this breaks encapsulation... but dammit, I
> don't care).

> Any way to get that?  The system path of the calling
> template?

> Is the CF_TEMPLATE_PATH CGI variable reliable enough
> across different HTTP
> servers for example?

Well if you have a CFC which is designed to do something related to
paths, and you pass in a path as an argument, then that's not breaking
encapsulation at all... Using an available variable from the
environment may be seen as breaking encapsulation, although if you
don't plan to use it elsewhere (testing harness, simulations,
providing information to external objects) then the lack of
encapsulation won't be a problem. However, cgi.cf_template_path won't
give you the same information getCurrentTemplatePath() gives you...
there really isn't anything that will give you what
getCurrentTemplatePath() gives you within a CFC. Outside of a CFC you
can use getBaseTagList() to get the calling template for a custom tag,
but the context of the CFC creates a barrier that getBaseTagList()
won't go beyond. As far as I know, cgi.cf_template_path and
cgi.script_name both return some portion of the value of
getBaseTemplatePath() so neither are helpful for what you're asking,
unless of course what you actually want is not what you've been using
(except perhaps incidentally because you're not calling the CFC within
includes or custom tags).

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Merrill, Jason]

Performance of what?  The development tool I don't see what you're
getting at.  

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>>-Original Message-
>>From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:13 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>I think one of the off putting things is that you get better
performance and
>>stability from Eclipse (which is slowly eating up the DW market)
>>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: 08 August 2005 16:19
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>Sure, maybe if all you do is Coldfusion, but I'm surprised you don't
>>like some of the new features of Dreamweaver at least.  Maybe its not
>>for you then.  Me, I use all the products in the studio almost daily
and
>>the new features are really fantastic from my point of view.
>>
>>Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:16 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced

On Monday 08 August 2005 15:58, Merrill, Jason wrote:
> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
> Are you insane?  $399 for Dreamweaver 8,

Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
None by the looks of it...
--

Tom Chiverton
Advanced ColdFusion Programmer


>>
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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Massimo Foti]

A few random, very personal, opinions:

- CF developers that aren't already using DW 2004 will hardly change their
minds after trying DW 8.

- To current DW 2004 users the upgrade to DW 8 has more than a few
interesting things to offer.

- DW remains unsuited for non-trivial CFML development. The upcoming DW 8
isn't going to change this.


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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)]

I think one of the off putting things is that you get better performance and
stability from Eclipse (which is slowly eating up the DW market)



-Original Message-
From: Merrill, Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 08 August 2005 16:19
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Studio 8 announced

Sure, maybe if all you do is Coldfusion, but I'm surprised you don't
like some of the new features of Dreamweaver at least.  Maybe its not
for you then.  Me, I use all the products in the studio almost daily and
the new features are really fantastic from my point of view.

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>>-Original Message-
>>From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:16 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>On Monday 08 August 2005 15:58, Merrill, Jason wrote:
>>> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
>>> Are you insane?  $399 for Dreamweaver 8,
>>
>>Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
>>None by the looks of it...
>>--
>>
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>>Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
>>
>>



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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Merrill, Jason]

>>And that's the
>>upgrade cost, not the cost of the suite new.

Right - but you said, "not really worth the UPGRADE cost..."

If you think $399 is a lot to pay for a software suite upgrade, you might be in 
the wrong business.  

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>>-Original Message-
>>From: mac jordan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:16 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>On 8/8/05, Merrill, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
>>>
>>> Are you insane? $399 for Dreamweaver 8, Fireworks 8, Flash Professional
>>> 8, Contribute 3, Flashpaper 2? $399 is a STEAL.
>>>
>>
>>I can't see it offering me $399 worth - and I bet it'll be a lot more in the
>>UK (where I am). Macromedia's $/£ exchange rate is appalling. And that's the
>>upgrade cost, not the cost of the suite new.
>>
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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Merrill, Jason]

Sure, maybe if all you do is Coldfusion, but I'm surprised you don't
like some of the new features of Dreamweaver at least.  Maybe its not
for you then.  Me, I use all the products in the studio almost daily and
the new features are really fantastic from my point of view.

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>>-Original Message-
>>From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:16 AM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
>>
>>On Monday 08 August 2005 15:58, Merrill, Jason wrote:
>>> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
>>> Are you insane?  $399 for Dreamweaver 8,
>>
>>Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
>>None by the looks of it...
>>--
>>
>>Tom Chiverton
>>Advanced ColdFusion Programmer
>>
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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Thomas Chiverton]

On Monday 08 August 2005 15:58, Dave Carabetta wrote:
> detection scripts don't account for versions greater than 7 (even
> though 8 should work). For example, comedycentral.com tells me to go

Ahh.
Sounds like a plan is to hold of client-side Flash Player 8 updates for a 
while then... probably for a while after official release too - esp. as Linux 
versions of the player always lag a bit anyway.

-- 

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Re: Studio 8 announced (flash player 8 in firefox)

[Rodney Enke]

There are some extensions in Firefox that cause problems with the new flash 
player. Try disabling them if you have any installed.

-
Rod


On 8/8/05, Phill B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Winxp pro. and firefox 1.0.6
> 
> Flash absolutely doesn't load. Just a blank spot where it should be.
> 
> On 8/8/05, Thomas Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Monday 08 August 2005 15:47, Phill B wrote:
> > > I clicked on this link
> > > http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/
> > > and upgraded firefox to the flash player 8.
> > > Now Flash doesn't work at all in firefox. F'ing great. Anyone else
> > > have this problem?
> >
> > What O/S ?
> > In what way doesn't it work ?
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Re: Studio 8 announced

[mac jordan]

On 8/8/05, Merrill, Jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
> 
> Are you insane? $399 for Dreamweaver 8, Fireworks 8, Flash Professional
> 8, Contribute 3, Flashpaper 2? $399 is a STEAL.
> 

I can't see it offering me $399 worth - and I bet it'll be a lot more in the 
UK (where I am). Macromedia's $/£ exchange rate is appalling. And that's the 
upgrade cost, not the cost of the suite new.


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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Thomas Chiverton]

On Monday 08 August 2005 15:58, Merrill, Jason wrote:
> >>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...
> Are you insane?  $399 for Dreamweaver 8,

Yeah, but what new features are their that you need ?
None by the looks of it...
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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Kevin Aebig]

O yeah... wicked fast. They worked on a ton of performance upgrades.

Kevin

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Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced

Massimo Foti wrote:
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/productinfo/faq/#item-1-5

any idea when the player will be ready to download? will it help cfforms 
"go fast" too?



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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Phill B]

I wish bad script detection was the problem for me but its not. Things
work great in IE but not flash. Oh well.

On 8/8/05, Dave Carabetta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 8/8/05, Phill B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I clicked on this link
> > http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/
> > and upgraded firefox to the flash player 8.
> > Now Flash doesn't work at all in firefox. F'ing great. Anyone else
> > have this problem?
> >
> 
> Nah, works for me. However, one thing I've noted is that it looks like
> FP 8 has caught many sites with their pants down in that their Flash
> detection scripts don't account for versions greater than 7 (even
> though 8 should work). For example, comedycentral.com tells me to go
> install Flash even though I have it installed, and their site is
> virtually useless from a navigation standpoint without Flash. I think
> it will be some time before you see a smooth transition across the web
> to support Flash Player 8. That being said, we need to keep in mind
> that the Player is still in a beta, so these sites are probably
> (hopefully?) doing internal testing before updating their respective
> sites.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave.

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Re: Studio 8 announced (flash player 8 in firefox)

[Phill B]

Winxp pro. and firefox 1.0.6 

Flash absolutely doesn't load. Just a blank spot where it should be. 

On 8/8/05, Thomas Chiverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 08 August 2005 15:47, Phill B wrote:
> > I clicked on this link
> > http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/
> > and upgraded firefox to the flash player 8.
> > Now Flash doesn't work at all in firefox. F'ing great. Anyone else
> > have this problem?
> 
> What O/S ?
> In what way doesn't it work ?
> 
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Re: Studio 8 announced

[Phill B]

Crap. I really can't afford the downtime either. 

On 8/8/05, Matt Osbun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had that problem with FF and Flash.  When I upgraded from Beta to FF
> 1.0, Flash suddenly stopped working, despite my attempts to reinstall.
> Ended up totally removing FF and it's profile folders and reinstalling
> the browser.
> 
> Probably not what you wanted to hear, though.
> 
> Matt Osbun
> Web Developer
> Health Systems, International
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Phill B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 9:47 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Studio 8 announced
> 
> 
> I clicked on this link
> http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/
> and upgraded firefox to the flash player 8.
> Now Flash doesn't work at all in firefox. F'ing great. Anyone else
> have this problem?

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RE: Studio 8 announced

[Merrill, Jason]

>>doesn't really look worth the upgrade cost ...

Are you insane?  $399 for Dreamweaver 8, Fireworks 8, Flash Professional
8, Contribute 3, Flashpaper 2?  $399 is a STEAL.  

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