Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Rey Bango]

To further your post Mark, I've included some links regarding PCI 
compliance:

http://usa.visa.com/download/business/accepting_visa/support_center/cisp_overview.pdf?it=c|/business/accepting_visa/ops_risk_management/cisp%2Ehtml|CISP%20Overview
https://sdp.mastercardintl.com/merchants/merchant_requirements.shtml

As Mark said, there is a strong push for ecommerce vendors to become PCI 
compliant and if you're not, it could affect your ability to handle 
transactions online. I recently had to go through the process for my client.

Virus protection on web servers, though, is a grey area because the 
subject is mentioned in broad terms and doesn't specifically say web 
servers.

The PCI standard can be read here:

https://sdp.mastercardintl.com/pdf/pcd_manual.pdf

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Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Rey Bango]

Dave,

What are your best practices for setting up CF? What perms do you 
assign? What groups do you assign the user which CF runs under to?

Rey...

Dave Watts wrote:
>>Are you talking about permissions here? Disk permissions or 
>>some type of IIS permissions? In any case, if you are running 
>>windows, most services run under a system account (although 
>>this has changed in windows 2003), and the system account 
>>usually has access to execute in any directory. So if you
>>buffer overrun the service, then you can execute the files 
>>wherever they are. Even if it's linux, you can probably run 
>>a chmod on the files beforehand, and then execute, so 
>>permissions are not going to help you much... 
> 
> 
> This is why it's so important not to run CF or similar services as SYSTEM.
> If I can run unauthorized code on your machine as SYSTEM, it's not your
> machine any more - it's mine. Filesystem access is irrelevant at that point.
>  
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Re: XSLT question

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Okay, that makes more sense... I don't really see it as an issue,
since it's not the sort of thing that's liable to cause a problem for
me... but I can see why you'd make that comment now, which is what had
me perplexed. :)

> I was just responding...but what Barney said :)

> On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Barney Boisvert wrote:

>> I think he was talking about jspx vs. CF, because someone
>> mentioned
>> using XSLT to generate cfm templates, and the problems
>> with CF not
>> being XML.  And with jspx, your HTML and JSP together
>> make an XML
>> document, so it's not just looking at the JSP portion.
>> That's nice,
>> because you have actual XML, but it's occasionally
>> troublesome because
>> you can't break your HTML up with JSP tags in a
>> non-XML-compliane way.
>>
>> cheers,
>> barneyb
>>
>> On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Umm... an XSLT parser forces me to write valid XML...
>>>
>>>  and there wasn't anything invalid in the example...
>>> just
>>> seemingly
>>> sloppy...
>>>
>>>
 With jspx it forces you to write valid XML and
 you get in that mindset and dont run into these
 type of issues


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OT ANN: CFDUMP for JavaScript

[Jim Davis]

I've completed my JavaScript "dump" extension and posted it here (long URL):

http://www.depressedpress.com/depressedpress/Content/Development/JavaScript/
Extensions/DP_DeBug/Index.cfm

The library adds two methods to the Object prototype (making them available
to all objects): dpDump() which present an HTML display of any object and
dpGetType() which provides a better type mechanism than the typeof operator.

dpDump is more useful of the two by far. It provides:

+) HTML representation of any complex object including nesting and
data type.
+) It supports circular/recursive references in objects (which I
think is damn spiffy).
+) It provides a dedicated debug window which can log multiple
dpDump() calls over time.
+) It returns a reference to the object enabling chaining of dpDump
calls.  For example this is legal: MyArray.dpDump().reverse().dpDump() and
will result in a "before and after" view of the array.

The page has full documentation, a zip download of the library and lots of
examples.

I've tested the component in IE 6.x and FireFox 1.x.  I'd love to hear about
your experiences in other environments.

I'd also, of course, love to hear any comment or suggestions you may have
about the Library itself, the documentation or the examples.

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RE: Need to share encryption between CF and ASP environments

[Russ Michaels]

If you use the same encryption algorythum on both then yes.
There are plenty of MD5, SHA, whatever encyption components out there, just
download and use one of them. COM can be called form CF too..

Russ

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Need to share encryption between CF and ASP environments

We are trying to marry a CF application and an ASP application that will
need to process credit cards.  What we wish to do is to encrypt and store
the CC number in only one of the environments, but both will need to be able
to decrypt the information and process payments.

we have a payment system all ready to go, but the question we are struggling
with is there a way to share the an encrypted credit card that can be
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Re: Control USB Camera through COLDFUSION

[ekcien]

thanks for the answer... my company is willing to buy external activex to do 
the job call "CapturePro3.0"
But i will try to use flash and flash communication server as comparison.

Rgrd
Ekcien



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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:55 PM
Subject: RE: Control USB Camera through COLDFUSION


> Depending on your requirements flash and flash communication server
> could be your best bet.
>
>
> John Burns
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ekcien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 12:02 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Control USB Camera through COLDFUSION
>
> We want to capture a 30 seconds video from a PC  client and upload the
> video file to our database:
>
> Can we control the video/camera port to be able to start capture, end
> capture, save file in COLDFUSION.
>
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Need to share encryption between CF and ASP environments

[Matthew Friedman]

We are trying to marry a CF application and an ASP application that will
need to process credit cards.  What we wish to do is to encrypt and store
the CC number in only one of the environments, but both will need to be able
to decrypt the information and process payments.

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decrypted on both the ASP server and the CF server and processed.

Any help would be great.
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Re: XSLT question

[Michael Greenberg]

I was just responding...but what Barney said :)

On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Barney Boisvert wrote:

> I think he was talking about jspx vs. CF, because someone mentioned
> using XSLT to generate cfm templates, and the problems with CF not
> being XML.  And with jspx, your HTML and JSP together make an XML
> document, so it's not just looking at the JSP portion.  That's nice,
> because you have actual XML, but it's occasionally troublesome because
> you can't break your HTML up with JSP tags in a non-XML-compliane way.
>
> cheers,
> barneyb
>
> On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Umm... an XSLT parser forces me to write valid XML...
>>
>>  and there wasn't anything invalid in the example... just  
>> seemingly
>> sloppy...
>>
>>
>>> With jspx it forces you to write valid XML and
>>> you get in that mindset and dont run into these
>>> type of issues
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: XSLT question

[Barney Boisvert]

I think he was talking about jspx vs. CF, because someone mentioned
using XSLT to generate cfm templates, and the problems with CF not
being XML.  And with jspx, your HTML and JSP together make an XML
document, so it's not just looking at the JSP portion.  That's nice,
because you have actual XML, but it's occasionally troublesome because
you can't break your HTML up with JSP tags in a non-XML-compliane way.

cheers,
barneyb

On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Umm... an XSLT parser forces me to write valid XML...
> 
>  and there wasn't anything invalid in the example... just seemingly
> sloppy...
> 
> > With jspx it forces you to write valid XML and
> > you get in that mindset and dont run into these
> > type of issues
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Re: XSLT question

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Umm... an XSLT parser forces me to write valid XML...

 and there wasn't anything invalid in the example... just seemingly
sloppy...

> With jspx it forces you to write valid XML and
> you get in that mindset and dont run into these
> type of issues

> On Aug 22, 2005, at 8:47 PM, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

>> How so?
>>
>>
>>> This is one thing I love about working in jspx.
>>> It makes things like this so much easier.
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Marlon Moyer wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
 You're right, this was how I was using xslt to create
 cfm
 templates
 which aren't valid xml.  See now, I've learned
 something
 new today

 On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


>>  
>>  >  href="/jukebox/audio/player.cfm?filename=>  sl:value-of
>> select="listen"/>"
>> target="_blank">listen
>>  
>>
>>
>
> Seems odd... seems like that would be problematic if
> you
> needed to
> add
> additional attributes, etc. since at that point, I
> don't
> believe the
> XSL parser would be seeing a tag, but rather a
> string...
> Whatever
> works I guess... this just seems really scary to me...


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Re: XSLT question

[Michael Greenberg]

With jspx it forces you to write valid XML and you get in that  
mindset and dont run into these type of issues

On Aug 22, 2005, at 8:47 PM, S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

> How so?
>
>
>> This is one thing I love about working in jspx.
>> It makes things like this so much easier.
>>
>
>
>> Michael
>>
>
>
>> On Aug 22, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Marlon Moyer wrote:
>>
>
>
>>> You're right, this was how I was using xslt to create cfm
>>> templates
>>> which aren't valid xml.  See now, I've learned something
>>> new today
>>>
>>> On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>  
>    href="/jukebox/audio/player.cfm?filename=  sl:value-of
> select="listen"/>" target="_blank">listen
>  
>
>

 Seems odd... seems like that would be problematic if you
 needed to
 add
 additional attributes, etc. since at that point, I don't
 believe the
 XSL parser would be seeing a tag, but rather a string...
 Whatever
 works I guess... this just seems really scary to me...


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>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>> ~~
>>
>>
>
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Re: XSLT question

[Rick Root]

S. Isaac Dealey wrote:

> Aha! so there is an easier way... I guess that means you have to
> escape { and } if you want them in your output then?

It wouldn't appear so, since I have numerous { and } in my output (part 
of my xsl file outputs CSS.

Maybe it knows to look for {xxx} where "xxx" is a valid xml identifier 
and if it isn't it just ignores it.

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Re: XSLT question

[S . Isaac Dealey]

How so?

> This is one thing I love about working in jspx.
> It makes things like this so much easier.

> Michael

> On Aug 22, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Marlon Moyer wrote:

>> You're right, this was how I was using xslt to create cfm
>> templates
>> which aren't valid xml.  See now, I've learned something
>> new today
>>
>> On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
  
  " target="_blank">listen
  

>>>
>>> Seems odd... seems like that would be problematic if you
>>> needed to
>>> add
>>> additional attributes, etc. since at that point, I don't
>>> believe the
>>> XSL parser would be seeing a tag, but rather a string...
>>> Whatever
>>> works I guess... this just seems really scary to me...
>>>
>>>
>>> s. isaac dealey   954.522.6080
>>> new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
>>>
>>> add features without fixtures with
>>> the onTap open source framework
>>>
>>> http://www.fusiontap.com
>>> http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

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Re: Integrating paypal... any tip or tricks?

[Will Tomlinson]

Che,

Here's one you might be interested in. It's paid but works like a champ!

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RE: GoogleBot and URLSessionFormat...

[Russ Michaels]

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=robots.txt&meta=

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Troy Simpson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 August 2005 00:50
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: GoogleBot and URLSessionFormat...

How do you feed the crawlers with cfid/cftoken/jsessionid.  

I am using J2EE SessionID which does not use cfid/cftoken to identify a
session. J2EE SessionID is set to a long value in a variable called
jsessionid.

How do I force the bots to submit the jsessionid?  What do I need to do to
make the application bot-aware?

Any examples?

Thanks,
Troy

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Re: XSLT question

[Michael Greenberg]

This is one thing I love about working in jspx. It makes things like  
this so much easier.

Michael

On Aug 22, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Marlon Moyer wrote:

> You're right, this was how I was using xslt to create cfm templates
> which aren't valid xml.  See now, I've learned something new today
>
> On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>  
>>>  " target="_blank">listen
>>>  
>>>
>>
>> Seems odd... seems like that would be problematic if you needed to  
>> add
>> additional attributes, etc. since at that point, I don't believe the
>> XSL parser would be seeing a tag, but rather a string... Whatever
>> works I guess... this just seems really scary to me...
>>
>>
>> s. isaac dealey   954.522.6080
>> new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
>>
>> add features without fixtures with
>> the onTap open source framework
>>
>> http://www.fusiontap.com
>> http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm
>>
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Re: GoogleBot and URLSessionFormat...

[Troy Simpson]

How do you feed the crawlers with cfid/cftoken/jsessionid.  

I am using J2EE SessionID which does not use cfid/cftoken to identify
a session. J2EE SessionID is set to a long value in a variable called
jsessionid.

How do I force the bots to submit the jsessionid?  What do I need to
do to make the application bot-aware?

Any examples?

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RE: SOLVED: Re: webservices and XML

[Russ Michaels]

Kinda crap tho that it doesn't do it if you call it via CF, what if you want
it as XML? 

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Subject: SOLVED: Re: webservices and XML

FYI folksthis tool is COOL!!

http://www.mindreef.net

Very useful indeed...and yes I have now confirmed that CF does convert
webservice output to XML automatically (because I actually saw it Jim) ;-)

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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Dave Watts]

> Are you talking about permissions here? Disk permissions or 
> some type of IIS permissions? In any case, if you are running 
> windows, most services run under a system account (although 
> this has changed in windows 2003), and the system account 
> usually has access to execute in any directory. So if you
> buffer overrun the service, then you can execute the files 
> wherever they are. Even if it's linux, you can probably run 
> a chmod on the files beforehand, and then execute, so 
> permissions are not going to help you much... 

This is why it's so important not to run CF or similar services as SYSTEM.
If I can run unauthorized code on your machine as SYSTEM, it's not your
machine any more - it's mine. Filesystem access is irrelevant at that point.
 
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Re: GoogleBot and URLSessionFormat...

[Matt Robertson]

Make your application bot-aware with a simple browser check. If you sense 
the browser is Googlebot, MSNBot etc., feed it a specific cfid and cftoken. 
A real human visiting the site will not be affected since their browser is 
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> 
> GoogleBot is crawling our website and creating a new session with each
> page request. I realize that this is because GoogleBot does not use
> cookies to track the session variables.
> 
> I have J2EE Session Enabled and use jsession as the sessionID.
> 
> Can I use URLSessionFormat to keep GoogleBot in the same session?
> 
> Can I redirect GoogleBot to a dedicate GoogleBot Session. For
> example, if GoogleBot makes a page request and I have a Session
> already created by the GoogleBot, can I redirect the current request
> to the other session?
> 
> When are session created during the process. Before Application.cfm,
> after application.cfm. Before the cfapplication tag? Or after the
> cfapplication tag?
> 
> How does URLSessionFormat know if a client has cookies enabled or not?
> Is there something in the header that lets URLSessionFormat know?
> 
> Thanks,
> Troy
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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Dave Watts]

> > You "hope" that they can't be executed on the web server. 
> > That's an awfully arrogant statement to make.
> 
> It is computer configuration 101: write or execute. Directories 
> that can be written, and the files in them, can never have 
> execute privileges.

At the risk of sounding like a parrot ("Jochem's right! Jochem's right!
Awk!"), this can't be stated strongly enough. Depending on antivirus
software to protect a web server is like depending on seatbelts while
driving blindfolded along a cliffside road. It doesn't protect your web
server, and may harm your web server, and may distract you from real
security measures. At best, antivirus software will protect people who
download non-HTML files from your web server. Your web server will not be
able to open Word files or run random executables - if it can, you have
bigger problems than viruses. There's nothing arrogant about saying that
antivirus doesn't protect your web server from attack.

> > At worst, you spend a littel bit of case
> 
> At worst, your database will crash due to errors caused by the 
> virusscanner locking files, files will be wiped out due to a 
> virus scanner incorrectly identifying files as virusses or you 
> might even loose complete mailboxes. I am not going to prove that 
> now, I think I have proven that sufficiently in the past: 
> http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=m:5:9487:86997

Or, even worse, your antivirus software may introduce new vulnerabilities in
your web server environment! I recently ran into this exact problem with a
client. They ended up installing IIS on their "antivirus server" without
configuring it properly, because the software recommended it. Never mind the
fact that their environment had no mechanism to upload or download files -
everything's got to have antivirus!

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Re: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?

[Matt Robertson]

Yes you have the idea. The only problem to using Java sleep (or ANY sleep 
method) is one of your available request threads (as set in the CF Admin) is 
still taken up whether its sleeping or not. So use the snooze alarm with due 
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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Dave Watts]

> Exactly.  The first step after someone finds an exploit on 
> your site/server is usually to upload some kind of backdoor 
> utility, which are usually caught by virus scanners.

That sentence is correct, right up until you get to "which which are usually
caught by virus scanners."

If someone finds an exploit on your server, that exploit likely involves
getting a server to run code in a higher privilege level than is
appropriate. Once that happens, it is trivial to bypass or disable the virus
scanner.

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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Mark A Kruger]

Jochem,

The card provider industry is promoting a standard that, while not "legal"
will essentially force users into compliance as it includes auditing by a
certified security vendor - especially for companies more than a certain
number of transactions. It will be the de facto legal standard because you
won't be able to utilize the ECN's without a certified audit. For small
companies it still means just a questionaire.

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Russ wrote:
> Wasn't there also a thread somewhere (maybe I read it elsewhere) that said
> that all servers which handle credit card data are required to have
> antivirus protection?

Maybe some companies require that, but there is no legal
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SOLVED: Re: webservices and XML

[Bryan Stevenson]

FYI folksthis tool is COOL!!

http://www.mindreef.net

Very useful indeed...and yes I have now confirmed that CF does convert 
webservice output to XML automatically (because I actually saw it Jim) ;-)

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Re: XSLT question

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Cool, thanks Barney...

Oddly enough, I'd actually used that before, but for some reason I got
it into my head that it was only for the attributes of xsl: tags...
which, in retrospect is a strange assumption. :)

I was using it for this:



where $element is a parameter to a named xsl:template.

> Honestly, I have no idea.  I don't claim to be anything
> but a complete
> noob, I just remember that from when I was hacking
> together some
> stylesheets last year for a project.  {} is the same as
> xsl:value-of,
> just it can be used inside tags.

> cheers,
> barneyb

> On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Aha! so there is an easier way... I guess that means you
>> have to
>> escape { and } if you want them in your output then?
>>
>> > {listen} should do it, if I'm not mistaken.
>>
>> > cheers,
>> > barneyb


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Re: XSLT question

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Or that.:)

> why not use it within a CDATA tag?

> -Original Message-
> From: "S. Isaac Dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Aug 22, 2005 4:54 PM
> To: CF-Talk 
> Subject: Re: XSLT question

> Aha! Well... yeah, if I needed to output a  tag
> using XSLT,
> that's the way I'd do it. :)

>> You're right, this was how I was using xslt to create cfm
>> templates
>> which aren't valid xml.  See now, I've learned something
>> new today

>> On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >  
>>> >  >> >  href="/jukebox/audio/player.cfm?filename=>> >  sl:value-of
>>> > select="listen"/>" target="_blank">listen
>>> >  
>>>
>>> Seems odd... seems like that would be problematic if you
>>> needed to add
>>> additional attributes, etc. since at that point, I don't
>>> believe the
>>> XSL parser would be seeing a tag, but rather a string...
>>> Whatever
>>> works I guess... this just seems really scary to me...



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Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Jochem van Dieten]

Russ wrote:
> Wasn't there also a thread somewhere (maybe I read it elsewhere) that said
> that all servers which handle credit card data are required to have
> antivirus protection?

Maybe some companies require that, but there is no legal 
requirement for that here.

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Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Jochem van Dieten]

Russ wrote:
>> 
>> It is computer configuration 101: write or execute. Directories 
>> that can be written, and the files in them, can never have 
>> execute privileges.
> 
> Are you talking about permissions here?  Disk permissions or some type of
> IIS permissions?

Both disk and webserver permissions.


> In any case, if you are running windows, most services run
> under a system account (although this has changed in windows 2003), and the
> system account usually has access to execute in any directory.

Correcting that is why properly configuring a Windows system 
takes so long.


> So if you
> buffer overrun the service, then you can execute the files wherever they
> are.

Who cares about executing files when you can buffer overrun a 
service and execute arbitrary commands? Just add a local 
administrator directly.

Jochem

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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Russ]

Wasn't there also a thread somewhere (maybe I read it elsewhere) that said
that all servers which handle credit card data are required to have
antivirus protection?  I mean this could cause compliance headaches if there
is really something like that out there.  So even if you're not storing
credit card numbers, but simply passing them to your payment gateway, you
would still be required to have antivirus software installed.  

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 5:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
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Russ Michaels wrote:
> But they can be put online or email to people.

Yes, but that is not my problem.


> Best to stop them being on the server in the first place. 

But then I have to make the decision whether something is a virus 
or not. I think the thread I linked proves sufficiently how 
subjective that decision really is.

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RE: cfmail optional attributes

[Russ]

Just a shot in the dark here, but can you use the iif function?  Something
like 


body


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Subject: cfmail optional attributes

About a month ago I posted the following and have still not found the best
way to handle this. I have tested this on CF5, CFMX 6.1, & BD 6.2 and if the
optional attribute "server" is specified in a CFMAIL tag and is blank it
will throw an error.

Original Post 7/29/05

What is the best way to handle optional attributes for the cfmail tag? I
have noticed you cannot specify the attribute and then leave it blank,
because the email will be sent to the undeliverable directory. 

Here is how we are thinking about doing it:


  Dear #FirstName#,
Blah blah blah... 
  



  #MailMessage#

  #MailMessage#


How do others handle this situation? Is there a cleaner way to handle this,
because cfmail has many attributes and some are required and some are not
depending on the server configuration.

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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Mark A Kruger]

While I tend to agree with the camp that advocates NOT installing virus
protection on a web server due to performance and compatibility issues, my
reading of the CISP standard indicates that IF you are handlinge CC
transactions you are going to need virus software on the server. In our case
we DO run Virus software on the server but we do NOT do resident scanning -
only scheduled scanning on a weekly basis (late in the middle of the night
on a weekend). See this page from some resources on that subject.

http://usa.visa.com/business/accepting_visa/ops_risk_management/cisp.html

-Mark



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Ken Ferguson wrote:
> You "hope" that they can't be executed on the web server. That's an
> awfully arrogant statement to make.

It is computer configuration 101: write or execute. Directories
that can be written, and the files in them, can never have
execute privileges.


> If your machine, be it a server or a
> workstation or whatever, is addressable on the internet, then you need
> to have AV protection installed on it. If you don't, you are just being
> irresponsible.

Apparently I am irresponsible :)


> At worst, you spend a littel bit of case

At worst, your database will crash due to errors caused by the
virusscanner locking files, files will be wiped out due to a
virus scanner incorrectly identifying files as virusses or you
might even loose complete mailboxes. I am not going to prove that
now, I think I have proven that sufficiently in the past:
http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=m:5:9487:86997

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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Russ]

>Ken Ferguson wrote:
>> You "hope" that they can't be executed on the web server. That's an 
>> awfully arrogant statement to make.

>It is computer configuration 101: write or execute. Directories 
>that can be written, and the files in them, can never have 
>execute privileges.

Are you talking about permissions here?  Disk permissions or some type of
IIS permissions?  In any case, if you are running windows, most services run
under a system account (although this has changed in windows 2003), and the
system account usually has access to execute in any directory.  So if you
buffer overrun the service, then you can execute the files wherever they
are.  Even if it's linux, you can probably run a chmod on the files
beforehand, and then execute, so permissions are not going to help you
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Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Jochem van Dieten]

Russ Michaels wrote:
> But they can be put online or email to people.

Yes, but that is not my problem.


> Best to stop them being on the server in the first place. 

But then I have to make the decision whether something is a virus 
or not. I think the thread I linked proves sufficiently how 
subjective that decision really is.

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cfmail optional attributes

[Stan Winchester]

About a month ago I posted the following and have still not found the best
way to handle this. I have tested this on CF5, CFMX 6.1, & BD 6.2 and if the
optional attribute "server" is specified in a CFMAIL tag and is blank it
will throw an error.

Original Post 7/29/05

What is the best way to handle optional attributes for the cfmail tag? I
have noticed you cannot specify the attribute and then leave it blank,
because the email will be sent to the undeliverable directory. 

Here is how we are thinking about doing it:


  Dear #FirstName#,
Blah blah blah... 
  



  #MailMessage#

  #MailMessage#


How do others handle this situation? Is there a cleaner way to handle this,
because cfmail has many attributes and some are required and some are not
depending on the server configuration.

Thank you,
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Re: XSLT question

[Michael Greenberg]

why not use it within a CDATA tag?

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From: "S. Isaac Dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Aug 22, 2005 4:54 PM
To: CF-Talk 
Subject: Re: XSLT question

Aha! Well... yeah, if I needed to output a  tag using XSLT,
that's the way I'd do it. :)

> You're right, this was how I was using xslt to create cfm
> templates
> which aren't valid xml.  See now, I've learned something
> new today

> On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >  
>> >  > >  href="/jukebox/audio/player.cfm?filename=> >  sl:value-of
>> > select="listen"/>" target="_blank">listen
>> >  
>>
>> Seems odd... seems like that would be problematic if you
>> needed to add
>> additional attributes, etc. since at that point, I don't
>> believe the
>> XSL parser would be seeing a tag, but rather a string...
>> Whatever
>> works I guess... this just seems really scary to me...


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Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Jochem van Dieten]

Ken Ferguson wrote:
> You "hope" that they can't be executed on the web server. That's an 
> awfully arrogant statement to make.

It is computer configuration 101: write or execute. Directories 
that can be written, and the files in them, can never have 
execute privileges.


> If your machine, be it a server or a 
> workstation or whatever, is addressable on the internet, then you need 
> to have AV protection installed on it. If you don't, you are just being 
> irresponsible.

Apparently I am irresponsible :)


> At worst, you spend a littel bit of case

At worst, your database will crash due to errors caused by the 
virusscanner locking files, files will be wiped out due to a 
virus scanner incorrectly identifying files as virusses or you 
might even loose complete mailboxes. I am not going to prove that 
now, I think I have proven that sufficiently in the past: 
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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Russ]

Exactly.  The first step after someone finds an exploit on your site/server
is usually to upload some kind of backdoor utility, which are usually caught
by virus scanners.  

-Original Message-
From: Ken Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:07 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

You "hope" that they can't be executed on the web server. That's an 
awfully arrogant statement to make. If your machine, be it a server or a 
workstation or whatever, is addressable on the internet, then you need 
to have AV protection installed on it. If you don't, you are just being 
irresponsible. At worst, you spend a littel bit of case to find all of 
those viruses that people were unable to execute before someone smarter 
than you  (unless of course, you're Jochem, right???) finds a way to get 
them to execute before you find a way to prevent it.

Before you read it and take offense Jochem, chill out; I'm just messin' 
with you!

--Ferg


Jochem van Dieten wrote:

>Russ Michaels wrote:
>  
>
>>Cozz no-one could eve rupload a virus to a web server could they. 
>>
>>
>
>Sure they can. In fact, I have a nice collection. But they can't 
>be executed on the webserver.
>
>Jochem
>
>



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RE: Integrating paypal... any tip or tricks?

[Che Vilnonis]

Thanks Russ.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Integrating paypal... any tip or tricks?


You can find full details at www.easycfm.com and I believe a paypal api as
well

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Subject: Integrating paypal... any tip or tricks?

Has anybody integrated Paypal with and app built with CF?
Any good links on how to integrate or any sample code would be appreciated.

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Re: XSLT question

[Barney Boisvert]

Honestly, I have no idea.  I don't claim to be anything but a complete
noob, I just remember that from when I was hacking together some
stylesheets last year for a project.  {} is the same as xsl:value-of,
just it can be used inside tags.

cheers,
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> Aha! so there is an easier way... I guess that means you have to
> escape { and } if you want them in your output then?
> 
> > {listen} should do it, if I'm not mistaken.
> 
> > cheers,
> > barneyb

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RE: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?

[S . Isaac Dealey]

>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:56 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: RE: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?
>>
>> So, in a sense, the java method actually makes the thread
>> go to sleep for
>> x milliseconds and stop processing, and then when the
>> time is up, it
>> starts processing again?  And doing it the CF way it's
>> processing
>> constantly...

> Pretty much... it's the difference, when somebody asks you
> to "wait here for
> an hour" between setting an alarm on your watch for an
> hour from now or
> checking your watch every millisecond to see if an hour
> has passed.

> Which would you rather do.  ;^)

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Re: XSLT question

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Aha! Well... yeah, if I needed to output a  tag using XSLT,
that's the way I'd do it. :)

> You're right, this was how I was using xslt to create cfm
> templates
> which aren't valid xml.  See now, I've learned something
> new today

> On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >  
>> >  > >  href="/jukebox/audio/player.cfm?filename=> >  sl:value-of
>> > select="listen"/>" target="_blank">listen
>> >  
>>
>> Seems odd... seems like that would be problematic if you
>> needed to add
>> additional attributes, etc. since at that point, I don't
>> believe the
>> XSL parser would be seeing a tag, but rather a string...
>> Whatever
>> works I guess... this just seems really scary to me...


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RE: Integrating paypal... any tip or tricks?

[Russ Michaels]

You can find full details at www.easycfm.com and I believe a paypal api as
well 

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Re: XSLT question

[Alexander Sherwood]

{listen} is an "attribute template" in XSLT. I represents an attribute
of the current context node.

--
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Rick Root wrote:

>How do I do this with XSLT?
>
>
>   " target="_blank">listen
>
>
>It doesn't seem to like the < in the HREF attribute.
>
>I'm trying to output the value of the  node within that HREF so 
>obviously I don't want to use <
>
>Rick
>
>
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Re: XSLT question

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You're right, this was how I was using xslt to create cfm templates
which aren't valid xml.  See now, I've learned something new today

On 8/22/05, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  
> >  " target="_blank">listen
> >  
> 
> Seems odd... seems like that would be problematic if you needed to add
> additional attributes, etc. since at that point, I don't believe the
> XSL parser would be seeing a tag, but rather a string... Whatever
> works I guess... this just seems really scary to me...
> 
> 
> s. isaac dealey   954.522.6080
> new epoch : isn't it time for a change?
> 
> add features without fixtures with
> the onTap open source framework
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> http://www.fusiontap.com
> http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm
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> 
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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Russ Michaels]

But they can be put online or email to people.
Best to stop them being on the server in the first place. 

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> Cozz no-one could eve rupload a virus to a web server could they. 

Sure they can. In fact, I have a nice collection. But they can't be executed
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Re: XSLT question

[Rick Root]

Barney Boisvert wrote:
> {listen} should do it, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah that seems to be the best option.

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Re: XSLT question

[S . Isaac Dealey]

Aha! so there is an easier way... I guess that means you have to
escape { and } if you want them in your output then?

> {listen} should do it, if I'm not mistaken.

> cheers,
> barneyb

> On 8/22/05, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> How do I do this with XSLT?
>>
>> 
>> " target="_blank">listen
>> 
>>
>> It doesn't seem to like the < in the HREF attribute.
>>
>> I'm trying to output the value of the  node
>> within that HREF so
>> obviously I don't want to use <


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Re: XSLT question

[S . Isaac Dealey]

>  
>  " target="_blank">listen
>  

Seems odd... seems like that would be problematic if you needed to add
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[Che Vilnonis]

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Re: XSLT question

[S . Isaac Dealey]

> How do I do this with XSLT?

> 
>   " target="_blank">listen
> 

> It doesn't seem to like the < in the HREF attribute.

Well, yeah, that's invalid xml markup...






listen



You can also place the beginning portion of the href string outside
the xsl:value-of tag and omit the concat() string -- though I'm not
sure if there are any caveats that might go along with that... seems
safer in this case just to use the concat().


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Re: XSLT question

[Marlon Moyer]

 
 listen
 


On 8/22/05, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do I do this with XSLT?
> 
> 
> " target="_blank">listen
> 
> 
> It doesn't seem to like the < in the HREF attribute.
> 
> I'm trying to output the value of the  node within that HREF so
> obviously I don't want to use <
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
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Re: XSLT question

[Barney Boisvert]

{listen} should do it, if I'm not mistaken.

cheers,
barneyb

On 8/22/05, Rick Root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How do I do this with XSLT?
> 
> 
> " target="_blank">listen
> 
> 
> It doesn't seem to like the < in the HREF attribute.
> 
> I'm trying to output the value of the  node within that HREF so
> obviously I don't want to use <
> 
> Rick
> 

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XSLT question

[Rick Root]

How do I do this with XSLT?


" target="_blank">listen


It doesn't seem to like the < in the HREF attribute.

I'm trying to output the value of the  node within that HREF so 
obviously I don't want to use <

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RE: What does Wait() do?

[S . Isaac Dealey]

> Hi,

> I had already tried executing it to find out, I get this
> error when I execute wait() with a numeric value as the
> argument:

> current thread not owner

> Thanks,

> Dave

Ahh... well that would explain why it's not documented. :) I stand by
my original hypothesis that it performs a thread.sleep() but probably
can only be executed by certain cf internal processes, such as some of
the cf tags which exist as compiled java (instead of cfml tags in the
special directory).

Although... given that error message, it probably actually accepts a
thread as its argument and waits for that thread to complete whatever
task its been given. Which would be redundant in cfml anyway, since
your cfml code already must wait for the task to complete before
continuing if you were to spawn a java thread and task it with
something. Or such is my limited understanding...


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RE: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:56 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?
> 
> So, in a sense, the java method actually makes the thread go to sleep for
> x milliseconds and stop processing, and then when the time is up, it
> starts processing again?  And doing it the CF way it's processing
> constantly...

Pretty much... it's the difference, when somebody asks you to "wait here for
an hour" between setting an alarm on your watch for an hour from now or
checking your watch every millisecond to see if an hour has passed.

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RE: webservices and XML

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> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:06 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: webservices and XML
> 
> > I don't get the point: why do you need to test the transfer mechanism?
> > Isn't the data what you need to test?
> >
> > The whole point of SOAP is "send object, get object" - as long as you're
> > getting the object you can be safe in the assumption that the underlying
> > translation went as planned can't you?
> >
> > Jim Davis
> 
> c'mon Jim...haven't you seen the X-Files..."Trust No One" ;-)
> 
> I would be remiss in my duties if I did not confirm that XML is actually
> getting returned by my web services...
> 
> and hey...assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me" (ugh...bad pun)
> 
> I hear ya...just want to be sure so when somebody calls me on it I can
> defend my stance

True - I just didn't know if you had other reasons behind it.  But you're
assuming that things like HTTP, Database drivers and so forth work without
looking at the packets of data they're using, why not this?  ;^)

To see the XML you really need either an HTTP sniffer or a consumer that
will dump the XML before actually consuming it.  The whole point of most
consumers is that you DON'T see the XML - you see the structured data.

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Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Ken Ferguson]

A "littel bit of case", what the hell was I typing "A LITTLE BIT OF 
CASH" Easy for me to say, right?

Ken Ferguson wrote:

>You "hope" that they can't be executed on the web server. That's an 
>awfully arrogant statement to make. If your machine, be it a server or a 
>workstation or whatever, is addressable on the internet, then you need 
>to have AV protection installed on it. If you don't, you are just being 
>irresponsible. At worst, you spend a littel bit of case to find all of 
>those viruses that people were unable to execute before someone smarter 
>than you  (unless of course, you're Jochem, right???) finds a way to get 
>them to execute before you find a way to prevent it.
>
>Before you read it and take offense Jochem, chill out; I'm just messin' 
>with you!
>
>--Ferg
>
>
>Jochem van Dieten wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Russ Michaels wrote:
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>>Cozz no-one could eve rupload a virus to a web server could they. 
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Sure they can. In fact, I have a nice collection. But they can't 
>>be executed on the webserver.
>>
>>Jochem
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Ken Ferguson]

You "hope" that they can't be executed on the web server. That's an 
awfully arrogant statement to make. If your machine, be it a server or a 
workstation or whatever, is addressable on the internet, then you need 
to have AV protection installed on it. If you don't, you are just being 
irresponsible. At worst, you spend a littel bit of case to find all of 
those viruses that people were unable to execute before someone smarter 
than you  (unless of course, you're Jochem, right???) finds a way to get 
them to execute before you find a way to prevent it.

Before you read it and take offense Jochem, chill out; I'm just messin' 
with you!

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Jochem van Dieten wrote:

>Russ Michaels wrote:
>  
>
>>Cozz no-one could eve rupload a virus to a web server could they. 
>>
>>
>
>Sure they can. In fact, I have a nice collection. But they can't 
>be executed on the webserver.
>
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RE: HTTPWatch: Was webservices and XML

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 3:16 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: HTTPWatch: Was webservices and XML
> 
> >But I believe there's a free tool/extension that does something very
> similar
> >(if not exactly similar) for FireFox. I don't know of any low cost/free
> >solutions for IE.
> 
> Unless the server has browser specific code the firefox
> tool should usually give you the same information right? I
> did a quick Google search and came up with nothing yet.

Yes - exactly.

HTTPWatch only displays the HTTP traffic of the request - it doesn't alter
it anyway.

What's really nice is that it displays ALL the traffic (with timings) so you
can see how many requests a page is making, figure out it if that external
style sheet is being cached or if that "little" image is actually taking a
long, long time.

For each request it will show you a summary, headers, cookies, cache
information, query string information, POST data, the actual content and the
entire HTTP stream.

Very neat stuff.

I couldn't find a tool that does exactly the same thing but this one comes
close in FireFox:

http://livehttpheaders.mozdev.org/

I don't it'll help in this case since it doesn't actually show the content
of the page!

This one seems closer and is a "machine" level tool rather than a browser
tool (which means it would work in all browsers - or indeed any HTTP
application).  It's not free, but it's only $29 for a non-commerical license
and $50 for a commercial one.

http://effetech.com/sniffer/

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Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Ken Ferguson]

I just talked to some people at CA the other day. E-Trust 7.1 AV is 
close to $40-$65 and can be installed on a web server. They told me that 
their AV products are licensed per machine, not per connection.

Damien McKenna wrote:

>>-Original Message-
>>From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>
>>AV is something for mail servers and possibly fileservers,
>>not for webservers.
>>
>>
>
>If you provide mechanisms for uploading files you might want to have
>something installed.
>
>One option would be for a command-line virus checker, e.g. the McAfee
>SuperDAT files.
>
>  
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Re: HTTPWatch: Was webservices and XML

[Lee]

>But I believe there's a free tool/extension that does something very similar
>(if not exactly similar) for FireFox. I don't know of any low cost/free
>solutions for IE.

Unless the server has browser specific code the firefox 
tool should usually give you the same information right? I 
did a quick Google search and came up with nothing yet.

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Re: (open source) web testing/scalability tools

[Larry Lyons]

>Folks,
>
>I'm working on a project that involves some stress/load testing work and am 
>curious about people's experience with different tools. For the record, I've 
>been "certified" in Empirix eTest Suite (which is what they call it when you 
>get the training from them) and familiar with using it to test web sites, 
>but the $30k+ licenses aren't really something I'm interested in. I've also 
>looked at less expensive choices like Paessler's WebStress and Microsoft's 
>free stress tool but am still looking for an open source solution.
>
>So some obvious choices are:
>
>PushToTest TestMaker
>Apache JMeter
>DieselTest
>OpenSTA
>
>Any specific experience (positive or negative) that anyone could share would 
>be great. I'm leaning towards TestMaker right now, but right now I'm at the 
>"downloaded a bunch of options after reading through docs" stage.
>
>For the record, we'll be looking at loads in the 1500-3000 concurrent user 
>range with peaks towards 5,000. And I'm amenable to running the software on 
>Linux or Windows. And the bulk of the testing will be the web application 
>server (i.e. not the mail or database servers directly).
>
>
>-- 
>John Paul Ashenfelter
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Hi John,

I've been using the Apache-Jakarta Project's JMeter for the past while. Its 
very easy to set up and run. One big advantage is that it can be run in server 
configuration, with machine runnign Jmeter is serving the test scripts to 
multiple other machines, also running Jmeter. It allows you to "spread the 
load" so to speak. Along with some fairly sophisticated conditional 
programming, you can run some very robust tests that mimic user behavior very 
well.

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Re: webservices and XML

[Bryan Stevenson]

My eyes glazed over at the mention of Ajax...don't want to learn another 
do-hickey just to test this ;-)

Thanks

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Re: webservices and XML

[Bryan Stevenson]

> I don't get the point: why do you need to test the transfer mechanism?
> Isn't the data what you need to test?
>
> The whole point of SOAP is "send object, get object" - as long as you're
> getting the object you can be safe in the assumption that the underlying
> translation went as planned can't you?
>
> Jim Davis

c'mon Jim...haven't you seen the X-Files..."Trust No One" ;-)

I would be remiss in my duties if I did not confirm that XML is actually 
getting returned by my web services...

and hey...assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me" (ugh...bad pun)

I hear ya...just want to be sure so when somebody calls me on it I can 
defend my stance

Cheers

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RE: HTTPWatch: Was webservices and XML

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:39 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: HTTPWatch: Was webservices and XML
> 
> That HTTPWatch program looks really handy. I was ready to
> pull out my wallet and dump the standard $20 to $80 for
> that kind of app. They want $250! Is there anything else
> out there like that?

Well speaking as somebody that got it free from the office I can say that
its REALLY worth it.  ;^)

Seriously tho' I would NOT have paid for it before.  Now after using it for
a while I would gladly pay for it again.

It's just that useful.

But I believe there's a free tool/extension that does something very similar
(if not exactly similar) for FireFox.  I don't know of any low cost/free
solutions for IE.

But having something like this is become almost a requisite of web
application development.  With all of the shenanigans going on under the
covers by .NET and CFMX and all the HTTP servers out there getting a "raw"
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RE: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?

[Dave.Phillips]

So, in a sense, the java method actually makes the thread go to sleep for x 
milliseconds and stop processing, and then when the time is up, it starts 
processing again?  And doing it the CF way it's processing constantly...

Am I getting it right now?  If so, wow, that's a big difference, and I 
appreciate the explanation!

Dave

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Because when you do it in cf, you are forcing it to execute (do math)
however long you do the function for.  When you are calling the java
function, it calls some method that wakes it up after a certain time, but
does not use any cpu.. 
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Re: webservices and XML

[Robert Munn]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. 

Bryan, I'm talking about using an Ajax-style operation, using Javascript to 
invoke the browser's XMLHTTPRequest object, invoking the Web service call and 
getting the response back. You could use something like CFAjax to do the guts 
work of calling the Web service. I don't know if CFAjax in particular has a 
facility that lets you dump the raw response, but I would think that would be a 
standard debugging feature.

>> -Original Message-
>
>Well - the get the SOAP response you'd have to send a SOAP request... you
>couldn't just hit the thing with xmlHTTPRequest I think.
>
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RE: webservices and XML

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> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: webservices and XML
> 
> So given what I said above I will NEVER see this elusive XML unless I call
> the web service from something other than CF???  WTF good does that do me
> if
> I'm testing?? gr ;-)

I don't get the point: why do you need to test the transfer mechanism?
Isn't the data what you need to test?

The whole point of SOAP is "send object, get object" - as long as you're
getting the object you can be safe in the assumption that the underlying
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RE: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?

[Russ]

Because when you do it in cf, you are forcing it to execute (do math)
however long you do the function for.  When you are calling the java
function, it calls some method that wakes it up after a certain time, but
does not use any cpu.. 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?

Out of curiousity, why does this affect the CPU any different than the JAVA
thread?  The process still has to wait the same amount of time, doesn't it?
Why call another external process?  Wouldn't that be more overhead?

I don't know much about Java, so my questions may sound stupid, but I think
an explanation would be helpful to those on the list who also don't
understand why this is bad.  It's not an endless loop and it's controlled by
the input.  You could add a max amount in there if you wanted to avoid wait
time's longer than a specified time.

Dave

-Original Message-
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?


Ouch, don't do that.  This will spike your CPU, looping frantically 
until the given time comes up.

The java thread sleep method is much better.

Here's an already packaged function i pasted together a couple years ago.

www.cflib.org/udf.cfm/sleep

-nathan strutz


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> Here's a way as a UDF:
> 
> 
>   function WaitMS(ms) {
>   var startms = getTickCount();
>   var endms = startms + ms;
>   while (endms GT getTickCount());
> } 
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 22/08/05, Troy Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>I know this is not normally needed for a ColdFusion Application
>>because most people want their apps to run fast.
>>
>>But I have a need to put a wait period in my code.  If there a
>>function in ColdFusion MX 6.1 to cause the process to wait.  For
>>example:
>>
>>doSomething();
>>wait(500);  / wait 500 milliseconds.
>>doSomethingElse();
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Troy
>>
>>--
>>Troy Simpson
>>  Applications Analyst/Programmer, OCPDBA, MCSE, SCSA
>>North Carolina State University Libraries
>>Campus Box 7111 | Raleigh | North Carolina
>>ph.919.515.3855 | fax.919.513.3330
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RE: webservices and XML

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:33 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: webservices and XML
> 
> >>
> >> Note also that if you invoke the service from CF it will automatically
> do
> >> the XML conversion for you - you'll never see it.  So CFDUMPing from
> the
> >> invocation will ALSO return CF native objects.
> >
> >So given what I said above I will NEVER see this elusive XML unless I
> call
> >the web service from something other than CF???  WTF good does that do me
> if
> >I'm testing?? gr ;-)
> 
> Why not invoke it from your browser on the client side? Then you could
> dump the response from the XMLHTTP request.

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RE: webservices and XML

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> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 2:20 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: webservices and XML
> 
> oh yeah...and Jim...this article seems to say that CF will properly dump
> the
> XML ??
> 
> http://www.webreference.com/programming/coldfusion/1/5.html

I scanned it but I didn't see any dumped XML... just dumped arrays of
objects.

Of course they picked really complicated objects for the example (I hate
articles than don't take the time to simplify their examples!)

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RE: What does Wait() do?

[Dave.Phillips]

Hi,

I had already tried executing it to find out, I get this error when I execute 
wait() with a numeric value as the argument:

current thread not owner

Thanks,

Dave

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:37 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: What does Wait() do?


> Anyone know of an undocumented function in CFMX 6.1 (or
> higher) called Wait()?  It's there, but I can't figure out
> what it's for or what it does, nor can I find any
> documentation on it.

> Any ideas?

I would expect CreateObject("java","java.lang.Thread").sleep(x);

Try this:


#getTickCount()#

#getTickCount()#


Granted, if it accepts an argument in seconds (instead of ms), then
you'd be looking at a wait of a little over 16 minutes.


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RE: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?

[Dave.Phillips]

Out of curiousity, why does this affect the CPU any different than the JAVA 
thread?  The process still has to wait the same amount of time, doesn't it?  
Why call another external process?  Wouldn't that be more overhead?

I don't know much about Java, so my questions may sound stupid, but I think an 
explanation would be helpful to those on the list who also don't understand why 
this is bad.  It's not an endless loop and it's controlled by the input.  You 
could add a max amount in there if you wanted to avoid wait time's longer than 
a specified time.

Dave

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From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?


Ouch, don't do that.  This will spike your CPU, looping frantically 
until the given time comes up.

The java thread sleep method is much better.

Here's an already packaged function i pasted together a couple years ago.

www.cflib.org/udf.cfm/sleep

-nathan strutz


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Here's a way as a UDF:
> 
> 
>   function WaitMS(ms) {
>   var startms = getTickCount();
>   var endms = startms + ms;
>   while (endms GT getTickCount());
> } 
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 22/08/05, Troy Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>I know this is not normally needed for a ColdFusion Application
>>because most people want their apps to run fast.
>>
>>But I have a need to put a wait period in my code.  If there a
>>function in ColdFusion MX 6.1 to cause the process to wait.  For
>>example:
>>
>>doSomething();
>>wait(500);  / wait 500 milliseconds.
>>doSomethingElse();
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Troy
>>
>>--
>>Troy Simpson
>>  Applications Analyst/Programmer, OCPDBA, MCSE, SCSA
>>North Carolina State University Libraries
>>Campus Box 7111 | Raleigh | North Carolina
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RE: GoogleBot and URLSessionFormat...

[Dave.Phillips]

I don't know about your GoogleBot question, but as for when the session starts, 
I believe there's a default onSessionStart method you can put in an 
application.cfc and use that to do whatever you want when the session gets 
started.  That method gets executed automatically as soon as a session is 
created if it exists.

HTH,

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GoogleBot is crawling our website and creating a new session with each
page request.  I realize that this is because GoogleBot does not use
cookies to track the session variables.

I have J2EE Session Enabled and use jsession as the sessionID.

Can I use URLSessionFormat to keep GoogleBot in the same session?

Can I redirect GoogleBot to a dedicate GoogleBot Session.  For
example, if GoogleBot makes a page request and I have a Session
already created by the GoogleBot, can I redirect the current request
to the other session?

When are session created during the process.  Before Application.cfm,
after application.cfm.  Before the cfapplication tag?  Or after the
cfapplication tag?

How does URLSessionFormat know if a client has cookies enabled or not?
 Is there something in the header that lets URLSessionFormat know?

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Re: HTTPWatch: Was webservices and XML

[Bryan Stevenson]

funnyI had the same reactionI mean at least let me test it on what I 
want to and not a list of pre-canned sites ;-)

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HTTPWatch: Was webservices and XML

[Lee]

That HTTPWatch program looks really handy. I was ready to 
pull out my wallet and dump the standard $20 to $80 for 
that kind of app. They want $250! Is there anything else 
out there like that?

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Re: webservices and XML

[Bryan Stevenson]

> Why not invoke it from your browser on the client side? Then you could 
> dump the response from the XMLHTTP request.

Huh? ;-)

Got an example cause my tech interpreter ain't gettin you ;-)

I assume (not having heard this) that I can use the web service URL in my 
browser address bar and somehow add the arg names/values (I'm guessing via 
URL params or something like that).but the dumping of the XMLHTTP 
request ain't ringing any bells...

Thanks Robert

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Re: webservices and XML

[Robert Munn]

>>
>> Note also that if you invoke the service from CF it will automatically do
>> the XML conversion for you - you'll never see it.  So CFDUMPing from the
>> invocation will ALSO return CF native objects.
>
>So given what I said above I will NEVER see this elusive XML unless I call 
>the web service from something other than CF???  WTF good does that do me if 
>I'm testing?? gr ;-)

Why not invoke it from your browser on the client side? Then you could dump the 
response from the XMLHTTP request.




>>
>> You can see the XML if you watch the HTTP transfer however - I use 
>> HTTPWatch
>> for Internet Explorer and I believe theirs a tool that does the same for
>> FireFox.  This will show you everything that's being trading across HTTP.
>
>Guess I better get my hands on that then...
>
>>
>> Jim Davis
>
>So does this sound correct:
>
>1) access="remote" output="false" returntype="query"
>2) the function produces a CF query and uses it as it's cfreturn value 
>()
>3) if invoking from CF I will just see a query when dumped because CF first 
>sent it as XML because it was invoked as  a web service, but then 
>re-converts it to a CF query
>4) The actual XML sent by the web service can only be seen if called via 
>another language OR by watching the HTTP traffic
>
>Thanks JimI'm getting closer ;-)
>
>Cheers
>
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Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Jochem van Dieten]

Russ Michaels wrote:
> Cozz no-one could eve rupload a virus to a web server could they. 

Sure they can. In fact, I have a nice collection. But they can't 
be executed on the webserver.

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Re: webservices and XML

[Bryan Stevenson]

> Have you tried accessing this web service with a non-CF technology? 

have a buddy trying it in ASP shortly

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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Russ Michaels]

Cozz no-one could eve rupload a virus to a web server could they. 

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Joshua Cyr wrote:
> 
> So, though it's a bit off topic, what do people prefer to run on their 
> web servers these days?

Nothing. AV is something for mail servers and possibly fileservers, not for
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RE: webservices and XML

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If you are creating and consuming these web services from CF, then it
probably "magically" turns the query xml back into a CF query. 

Have you tried accessing this web service with a non-CF technology? 

/t

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>
>OKnobody is getting my point :-(
>
>Can anybody confirm this statement about CF generated 
>webservice output in 
>Livedocs and explain it (ignore the output attribute portion):
>
>The output attribute of the cffunction tag must be set to No because 
>ColdFusion converts all output to XML to return it to the consumer.
>
>So far in my testing I DO NOT GET XML returned from web 
>servicesI do get 
>whatever the returntype says I'll get IF I return that type of 
>data...I AM 
>NOT SEEING ANY CONVERSION TO XML
>
>TIA
>
>Cheers
>
>Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
>VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
>Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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>fax: 250.480.1264
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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Damien McKenna]

> -Original Message-
> From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>
> AV is something for mail servers and possibly fileservers,
> not for webservers.

If you provide mechanisms for uploading files you might want to have
something installed.

One option would be for a command-line virus checker, e.g. the McAfee
SuperDAT files.

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Re: webservices and XML

[Bryan Stevenson]

oh yeah...and Jim...this article seems to say that CF will properly dump the 
XML ??

http://www.webreference.com/programming/coldfusion/1/5.html

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Re: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Jochem van Dieten]

Joshua Cyr wrote:
> 
> So, though it's a bit off topic, what do people prefer to run on their web
> servers these days?

Nothing. AV is something for mail servers and possibly 
fileservers, not for webservers.

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Re: webservices and XML

[Bryan Stevenson]

some replies inlineand questions below

>
> Until you do that your content is NOT XML - CFDUMPing from within the
> WebService will always return CF native objects.

I'm cfinvoking from a  remote machine and cfdumping the resulting 
variable...NOT dumping from inside the web service

>
> Note also that if you invoke the service from CF it will automatically do
> the XML conversion for you - you'll never see it.  So CFDUMPing from the
> invocation will ALSO return CF native objects.

So given what I said above I will NEVER see this elusive XML unless I call 
the web service from something other than CF???  WTF good does that do me if 
I'm testing?? gr ;-)

>
> You can see the XML if you watch the HTTP transfer however - I use 
> HTTPWatch
> for Internet Explorer and I believe theirs a tool that does the same for
> FireFox.  This will show you everything that's being trading across HTTP.

Guess I better get my hands on that then...

>
> Jim Davis

So does this sound correct:

1) access="remote" output="false" returntype="query"
2) the function produces a CF query and uses it as it's cfreturn value 
()
3) if invoking from CF I will just see a query when dumped because CF first 
sent it as XML because it was invoked as  a web service, but then 
re-converts it to a CF query
4) The actual XML sent by the web service can only be seen if called via 
another language OR by watching the HTTP traffic

Thanks JimI'm getting closer ;-)

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RE: webservices and XML

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:54 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: webservices and XML
> 
> OKnobody is getting my point :-(
> 
> Can anybody confirm this statement about CF generated webservice output in
> Livedocs and explain it (ignore the output attribute portion):
> 
> The output attribute of the cffunction tag must be set to No because
> ColdFusion converts all output to XML to return it to the consumer.
> 
> So far in my testing I DO NOT GET XML returned from web servicesI do
> get
> whatever the returntype says I'll get IF I return that type of data...I AM
> NOT SEEING ANY CONVERSION TO XML

It only converts the content IF you've called it as a web service - however
then it will blindly dump anything OUTPUT from method into the packet
(probably ruining the packet).

It's not the clearest statement in the world.  ;^)

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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Russ Michaels]

We use the corporate license.
 
  
CFMX Hosting ColdFusion Hosting Specialists 

Russ Michaels

-Original Message-
From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 August 2005 18:17
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

Anyone know which is the correct license to buy for loading Symantec
AntiVirus on a dedicated web server? They only sell licenses in packs of 5
or 10 (depending on the product.) The license, to me, is vague. It says you
need a license for each computer connecting to the computer via the
network--but I'm also reading that to be each computer that's connected via
the domain. I can't find anything about a specific "web-based" license.

Any ideas? I need to get this AntiVirus software installed ASAP, but need to
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RE: webservices and XML

[Jim Davis]

> >UPDATE:
> >
> >DOH!  I changed the webserice and forgot to refresh it in CF AdminI
> no
> >longer get that errorbut the dump of the query returned by the
> >webservice sure looks like  a CF query object and NOT XML??
> >
> >arrgghwhat am I not seeing here??
> >
> >so...output="no" returntype="query"
> >
> >called as webserviceMM says all webservices create XML...I "seem" to
> be
> >getting a query back and NOT XML

CFCs (well... "remote" methods on CFCs) only send XML if CALLED as web
services.  There are two ways:

+) Via SOAP request (using myService.cfc?wsdl and, for example, cfinvoke) -
this will return your result as SOAP XML.

+) Via the command line (using something like
mySerice.cfc?method=myMethod&MyParam=value) - this will return your result
as WDDX XML.

Until you do that your content is NOT XML - CFDUMPing from within the
WebService will always return CF native objects.

Note also that if you invoke the service from CF it will automatically do
the XML conversion for you - you'll never see it.  So CFDUMPing from the
invocation will ALSO return CF native objects.

You can see the XML if you watch the HTTP transfer however - I use HTTPWatch
for Internet Explorer and I believe theirs a tool that does the same for
FireFox.  This will show you everything that's being trading across HTTP.

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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Joshua Cyr]

I just went through that on Thursday, and ended up deciding to take a bit
more time for research.  I called 3 companies, all said that the multi-pack
is the only option, one told me to talk to their resellers and really didn't
give me much more info than that.

Even if you wanted to run that $50 virus protection program on the server
they check to make sure its not win2k server edition (or equiv).  The 5 or
10 pack supports 2k server, but of course it seems overkill for one or two
computers/servers only.

One vendor told me the right thing to buy was their appliance.  I am pretty
sure they (the sales person, redirecting me to the resellers) didn't know
what a web server really was however.

So, though it's a bit off topic, what do people prefer to run on their web
servers these days?  I don't want to protect everything on the network (my
little rack) from one centeral server.  I just want two dev machines to be
protected.

Vendors I looked at:

www.symantec.com

http://www.trendmicro.com

http://www.mcafee.com/us/default.asp

http://www.kaspersky.com/corporatesolutions

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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 1:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

Anyone know which is the correct license to buy for loading Symantec
AntiVirus on a dedicated web server? They only sell licenses in packs of 5
or 10 (depending on the product.) The license, to me, is vague. It says you
need a license for each computer connecting to the computer via the
network--but I'm also reading that to be each computer that's connected via
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RE: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

[Russ]

I believe antivirus licenses are per computer that you use it on... The
antivirus software protects that computer, and however many computers
connect to it through the web or otherwise, is irrelevant, as long as that
software is not installed on those computers as well.  

-Original Message-
From: Dan G. Switzer, II [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Symantec AntiVirus for Dedicated Web Server...

Anyone know which is the correct license to buy for loading Symantec
AntiVirus on a dedicated web server? They only sell licenses in packs of 5
or 10 (depending on the product.) The license, to me, is vague. It says you
need a license for each computer connecting to the computer via the
network--but I'm also reading that to be each computer that's connected via
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Re: webservices and XML

[Bryan Stevenson]

OKnobody is getting my point :-(

Can anybody confirm this statement about CF generated webservice output in 
Livedocs and explain it (ignore the output attribute portion):

The output attribute of the cffunction tag must be set to No because 
ColdFusion converts all output to XML to return it to the consumer.

So far in my testing I DO NOT GET XML returned from web servicesI do get 
whatever the returntype says I'll get IF I return that type of data...I AM 
NOT SEEING ANY CONVERSION TO XML

TIA

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Re: webservices and XML

[Chris Peters]

Did you try looking at ?  If you take that route (which is pretty 
heavyweight), your returntype would be string.

- Chris Peters
www.chrispetersweb.com

>UPDATE:
>
>DOH!  I changed the webserice and forgot to refresh it in CF AdminI no 
>longer get that errorbut the dump of the query returned by the 
>webservice sure looks like  a CF query object and NOT XML??
>
>arrgghwhat am I not seeing here??
>
>so...output="no" returntype="query"
>
>called as webserviceMM says all webservices create XML...I "seem" to be 
>getting a query back and NOT XML
>
>Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
>VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
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RE: WDDX Replacement Attempt (was RE: Ajax and CFCs)

[Jim Davis]

> -Original Message-
> From: Roger B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:50 AM
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> Subject: Re: WDDX Replacement Attempt (was RE: Ajax and CFCs)
> 
> > I'm making the assumption (probably a good one) that the problem
> > is on my end...
> 
> Jim: It's not a problem... just confusion brought on by a lack of
> explanation. That outer array is the array of s... you can
> safely ignore it.
> 
> To make things clearer, I added a second CFDUMP that displays the
> deserialized package by itself.

Cool... I like problems that end up not being problems.  ;^)

I need a lot more testing but so far, so good.

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Re: What does Wait() do?

[S . Isaac Dealey]

> Anyone know of an undocumented function in CFMX 6.1 (or
> higher) called Wait()?  It's there, but I can't figure out
> what it's for or what it does, nor can I find any
> documentation on it.

> Any ideas?

I would expect CreateObject("java","java.lang.Thread").sleep(x);

Try this:


#getTickCount()#

#getTickCount()#


Granted, if it accepts an argument in seconds (instead of ms), then
you'd be looking at a wait of a little over 16 minutes.


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Re: GoogleBot and URLSessionFormat...

[Troy Simpson]

Oh, one other question:

If GoogleBot crawls a URL with the jsessionid included as shown below,
will this URL be cataloged by GoogleBot with the jsessionid included?

http://insidewood.lib.ncsu.edu/search/index.cfm;jsessionid=d2302060171124731486940?e=home

If so, that would mean that all users that go to Google.com would use
the same session, correct?

Anyway around this problem?  

How are other people handling this?

Thanks,
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Re: Is the a wait function in ColdFusion MX 6.1?

[Nathan Strutz]

Ouch, don't do that.  This will spike your CPU, looping frantically 
until the given time comes up.

The java thread sleep method is much better.

Here's an already packaged function i pasted together a couple years ago.

www.cflib.org/udf.cfm/sleep

-nathan strutz


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Here's a way as a UDF:
> 
> 
>   function WaitMS(ms) {
>   var startms = getTickCount();
>   var endms = startms + ms;
>   while (endms GT getTickCount());
> } 
> 
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 22/08/05, Troy Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>I know this is not normally needed for a ColdFusion Application
>>because most people want their apps to run fast.
>>
>>But I have a need to put a wait period in my code.  If there a
>>function in ColdFusion MX 6.1 to cause the process to wait.  For
>>example:
>>
>>doSomething();
>>wait(500);  / wait 500 milliseconds.
>>doSomethingElse();
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Troy
>>
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RE: What does Wait() do?

[Ken Ketsdever]

Wait(it's on the tip of my tongue)

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Subject: What does Wait() do?

Anyone know of an undocumented function in CFMX 6.1 (or higher) called
Wait()?  It's there, but I can't figure out what it's for or what it
does, nor can I find any documentation on it. 

Any ideas?

Dave

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GoogleBot and URLSessionFormat...

[Troy Simpson]

GoogleBot is crawling our website and creating a new session with each
page request.  I realize that this is because GoogleBot does not use
cookies to track the session variables.

I have J2EE Session Enabled and use jsession as the sessionID.

Can I use URLSessionFormat to keep GoogleBot in the same session?

Can I redirect GoogleBot to a dedicate GoogleBot Session.  For
example, if GoogleBot makes a page request and I have a Session
already created by the GoogleBot, can I redirect the current request
to the other session?

When are session created during the process.  Before Application.cfm,
after application.cfm.  Before the cfapplication tag?  Or after the
cfapplication tag?

How does URLSessionFormat know if a client has cookies enabled or not?
 Is there something in the header that lets URLSessionFormat know?

Thanks,
Troy

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