RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Adrian Lynch
I've been using Visual Web Dev(2005 Express, is there another version?)
lately. One thing to keep in mind is that it's for .Net 2.0 and from the
info I've found on the web, you can't make it only play with 1.0 or 1.1.

Not a big deal but worth noting if you're building something for a 1.0/1.1
environment.

As for your CF problem, give MM/Adobe a call or drop them an email, I'm sure
they'll work out a deal to get you up to 7. Heck, what have they got to
lose?! There's also BlueDragon, I'm suprised no one has mentioned that so
far in the thread.

Adrian

-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 May 2006 23:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer


>Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything else
>at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?

That's pretty much what I've done...4.5 is the first and only version of
CF I've ever owned and it's done everything I've needed, and more than
most clients could even fathom it could be used for.

However, I do know that "things, they are a changin' " and I don't want to
get too far behind technologically.

Besides, I do get bored and like to get into new stuff.  :o)

Visual Web Developer seems to be a nice tool (I say that only after
using a trial version) if someone is using ASP.NET...it integrates
nicely.  I may change that tune after using it more, however.

I tried (the 4th time) to use Dreamweaver, but it was lacking as
a visual design tool.  I didn't like the price...too high for what I got out
of it,
and didn't like working with CF components, anyway.

But if I migrate to coding ASP.NET, I'll need to start with components,
then move on into more hand coding as I did when starting with CF.
I let the components do the work at first, then study what they've done,
then write it myself so I can get finer control and more functionality
from the code.

CF has been good to me and I'll keep using it, at least for awhile.  But in
the meantime, I'll be giving ASP.NET, Visual Web Developer, and
probably SQL Server Express and thorough shakedown.

Rick


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Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Aaron Rouse
You probably could use it with CF 4.5.2 but that is just a guess, what I
would figure is it would mean creating XML responses and probably not be
worth the trouble since could more than likely use some other "free"
language more with ease.  I said Flex 2 because of the comments like "visual
design tool"  Also said it because it is free unless you want to spend the
coin on the IDE which would make life a lot easier to make things.

On 5/2/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From your perspective, and since I don't know a lot about
> Flex, what would you say are the reasons Flex 2 would
> be the future I should pursue?
>
> What will Flex 2 provide?  Rich Internet Application development?
> Or something beyond that?
>
> I know I could read it on the Adobe/MM website, but I'd like
> to hear your perspective...
>
> And, too, since I gather that Flex 2 can be used in conjunction
> with other languages like ASP, etc., if I use CF with it, I still
> have to keep paying the *full* price now and upgrade prices
> in the future...
>
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:31 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
>
>
> If I was in your shoes I would be learning something like Flex 2 and then
> figuring out what language you want to use to serve data to/from it could
> be
> CFM or whatever you pick.
>
> On 5/2/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything
> > else
> > >at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?
> >
> > That's pretty much what I've done...4.5 is the first and only version of
> > CF I've ever owned and it's done everything I've needed, and more than
> > most clients could even fathom it could be used for.
> >
> > However, I do know that "things, they are a changin' " and I don't want
> to
> > get too far behind technologically.
> >
> > Besides, I do get bored and like to get into new stuff.  :o)
> >
> > Visual Web Developer seems to be a nice tool (I say that only after
> > using a trial version) if someone is using ASP.NET...it integrates
> > nicely.  I may change that tune after using it more, however.
> >
> > I tried (the 4th time) to use Dreamweaver, but it was lacking as
> > a visual design tool.  I didn't like the price...too high for what I got
> > out
> > of it,
> > and didn't like working with CF components, anyway.
> >
> > But if I migrate to coding ASP.NET, I'll need to start with components,
> > then move on into more hand coding as I did when starting with CF.
> > I let the components do the work at first, then study what they've done,
> > then write it myself so I can get finer control and more functionality
> > from the code.
> >
> > CF has been good to me and I'll keep using it, at least for awhile.  But
> > in
> > the meantime, I'll be giving ASP.NET, Visual Web Developer, and
> > probably SQL Server Express and thorough shakedown.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:35 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
> >
> >
> > > I hear what you're saying about the programming
> > > part...however, most of the sites I build are fairly
> > > simple...add, update, delete, report.
> > >
> > > Once I've grasped how to code that in ASP.NET, I can do 90%
> > > of the work I do.  And according to the ASP.NET Programming
> > > for Cold Fusion Programmers, I can do all of that with Visual
> > > Web Designer or Visual Studio without *any* programming.
> > > Although, I prefer to not use components, but rather write my
> > > own code, I got started in CF by using components, then when
> > > the demands of the code went beyond what I could do in
> > > components, I learned to write everything myself.
> >
> > Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything
> > else
> > at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?
> >
> > > And...it seems, based on the description of ASP.Net 2.0, that
> > > it achieves interaction with data that's more like FLEX...but
> > > now I'm speaking way out of my comfort zone.  I just saw a
> > > model of database interaction based on objects and methods
> > > and not form submission and page refreshing or "action
> > > pages"...seemed interesting.
> >
> > Not quite. The interaction is still page-based, although the Visual
> Studio
> > IDE provides the illusion that it isn't. Flex applications on the other
> > hand, truly are event-driven and work like desktop applications.
> >
> > > I haven't abandoned CF by any means, but with no upgrade
> > > price break, and all the free software, etc, from MS, Adobe's
> > > making it tough to stick with them...
> >
> > There's no such thing as a free lunch. Using ASP.NET locks you into the
> > Windows world. This severely limits your deployment options. If that's
> not
> > a
> > problem for you, ASP.NET may be quite

RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Rick Faircloth
>From your perspective, and since I don't know a lot about
Flex, what would you say are the reasons Flex 2 would
be the future I should pursue?

What will Flex 2 provide?  Rich Internet Application development?
Or something beyond that?

I know I could read it on the Adobe/MM website, but I'd like
to hear your perspective...

And, too, since I gather that Flex 2 can be used in conjunction
with other languages like ASP, etc., if I use CF with it, I still
have to keep paying the *full* price now and upgrade prices
in the future...

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer


If I was in your shoes I would be learning something like Flex 2 and then
figuring out what language you want to use to serve data to/from it could be
CFM or whatever you pick.

On 5/2/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything
> else
> >at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?
>
> That's pretty much what I've done...4.5 is the first and only version of
> CF I've ever owned and it's done everything I've needed, and more than
> most clients could even fathom it could be used for.
>
> However, I do know that "things, they are a changin' " and I don't want to
> get too far behind technologically.
>
> Besides, I do get bored and like to get into new stuff.  :o)
>
> Visual Web Developer seems to be a nice tool (I say that only after
> using a trial version) if someone is using ASP.NET...it integrates
> nicely.  I may change that tune after using it more, however.
>
> I tried (the 4th time) to use Dreamweaver, but it was lacking as
> a visual design tool.  I didn't like the price...too high for what I got
> out
> of it,
> and didn't like working with CF components, anyway.
>
> But if I migrate to coding ASP.NET, I'll need to start with components,
> then move on into more hand coding as I did when starting with CF.
> I let the components do the work at first, then study what they've done,
> then write it myself so I can get finer control and more functionality
> from the code.
>
> CF has been good to me and I'll keep using it, at least for awhile.  But
> in
> the meantime, I'll be giving ASP.NET, Visual Web Developer, and
> probably SQL Server Express and thorough shakedown.
>
> Rick
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:35 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
>
>
> > I hear what you're saying about the programming
> > part...however, most of the sites I build are fairly
> > simple...add, update, delete, report.
> >
> > Once I've grasped how to code that in ASP.NET, I can do 90%
> > of the work I do.  And according to the ASP.NET Programming
> > for Cold Fusion Programmers, I can do all of that with Visual
> > Web Designer or Visual Studio without *any* programming.
> > Although, I prefer to not use components, but rather write my
> > own code, I got started in CF by using components, then when
> > the demands of the code went beyond what I could do in
> > components, I learned to write everything myself.
>
> Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything
> else
> at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?
>
> > And...it seems, based on the description of ASP.Net 2.0, that
> > it achieves interaction with data that's more like FLEX...but
> > now I'm speaking way out of my comfort zone.  I just saw a
> > model of database interaction based on objects and methods
> > and not form submission and page refreshing or "action
> > pages"...seemed interesting.
>
> Not quite. The interaction is still page-based, although the Visual Studio
> IDE provides the illusion that it isn't. Flex applications on the other
> hand, truly are event-driven and work like desktop applications.
>
> > I haven't abandoned CF by any means, but with no upgrade
> > price break, and all the free software, etc, from MS, Adobe's
> > making it tough to stick with them...
>
> There's no such thing as a free lunch. Using ASP.NET locks you into the
> Windows world. This severely limits your deployment options. If that's not
> a
> problem for you, ASP.NET may be quite appealing, but you may end up paying
> a
> price down the road as a result.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>
>
>
>
>



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AES Encryption vs. Hash

2006-05-02 Thread Doug Arthur
I want to get people's input on AES Encryption vs. Hashing a value. I know
that AES is the only government approved encryption method as it's the
strongest. But what are some feelings about using Hash instead? My new job I
started uses nothing but Hash, and I've always been a custom to AES
Encryption with a routine I developed a while back. I'm wondering if it's
worth while trying to make a change, or just leave things as is.

- Doug


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Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Aaron Rouse
If I was in your shoes I would be learning something like Flex 2 and then
figuring out what language you want to use to serve data to/from it could be
CFM or whatever you pick.

On 5/2/06, Rick Faircloth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything
> else
> >at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?
>
> That's pretty much what I've done...4.5 is the first and only version of
> CF I've ever owned and it's done everything I've needed, and more than
> most clients could even fathom it could be used for.
>
> However, I do know that "things, they are a changin' " and I don't want to
> get too far behind technologically.
>
> Besides, I do get bored and like to get into new stuff.  :o)
>
> Visual Web Developer seems to be a nice tool (I say that only after
> using a trial version) if someone is using ASP.NET...it integrates
> nicely.  I may change that tune after using it more, however.
>
> I tried (the 4th time) to use Dreamweaver, but it was lacking as
> a visual design tool.  I didn't like the price...too high for what I got
> out
> of it,
> and didn't like working with CF components, anyway.
>
> But if I migrate to coding ASP.NET, I'll need to start with components,
> then move on into more hand coding as I did when starting with CF.
> I let the components do the work at first, then study what they've done,
> then write it myself so I can get finer control and more functionality
> from the code.
>
> CF has been good to me and I'll keep using it, at least for awhile.  But
> in
> the meantime, I'll be giving ASP.NET, Visual Web Developer, and
> probably SQL Server Express and thorough shakedown.
>
> Rick
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:35 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
>
>
> > I hear what you're saying about the programming
> > part...however, most of the sites I build are fairly
> > simple...add, update, delete, report.
> >
> > Once I've grasped how to code that in ASP.NET, I can do 90%
> > of the work I do.  And according to the ASP.NET Programming
> > for Cold Fusion Programmers, I can do all of that with Visual
> > Web Designer or Visual Studio without *any* programming.
> > Although, I prefer to not use components, but rather write my
> > own code, I got started in CF by using components, then when
> > the demands of the code went beyond what I could do in
> > components, I learned to write everything myself.
>
> Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything
> else
> at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?
>
> > And...it seems, based on the description of ASP.Net 2.0, that
> > it achieves interaction with data that's more like FLEX...but
> > now I'm speaking way out of my comfort zone.  I just saw a
> > model of database interaction based on objects and methods
> > and not form submission and page refreshing or "action
> > pages"...seemed interesting.
>
> Not quite. The interaction is still page-based, although the Visual Studio
> IDE provides the illusion that it isn't. Flex applications on the other
> hand, truly are event-driven and work like desktop applications.
>
> > I haven't abandoned CF by any means, but with no upgrade
> > price break, and all the free software, etc, from MS, Adobe's
> > making it tough to stick with them...
>
> There's no such thing as a free lunch. Using ASP.NET locks you into the
> Windows world. This severely limits your deployment options. If that's not
> a
> problem for you, ASP.NET may be quite appealing, but you may end up paying
> a
> price down the road as a result.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: OT: Tracking clicks

2006-05-02 Thread James Holmes
Use as the link a CF page that sends the user to the external site e.g.:

http://www.somesite.com/";>

In linktracker.cfm, record the click and then cflocation to URL.Link
(http://www.somesite.com/ in this case).

You might need to URLEncodedFormat() the link to make sure it doesn't
mess things up.

On 5/3/06, Will Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's the best way to track a click when the user is on my site, then clicks 
> an ad that sends him to another site.
>
> Thanks,
> Will
>
> 

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OT: Tracking clicks

2006-05-02 Thread Will Tomlinson
What's the best way to track a click when the user is on my site, then clicks 
an ad that sends him to another site.

Thanks,
Will 

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Maclipse and CFEclips tags

2006-05-02 Thread Stas Newdel
I downloaded the Maclipse build but it seems incompatible with the  
BER release of CF Eclipse tags. I tried installing the regular  
Eclipse build but that's giving me an error on launch prompting me to  
look in the log file  the contents of which are Greek to me. I am  
running on Macbook Pro, latest Tiger. Is anyone here using a similar  
set up with success? Also, is there a universal binary of CFMX 7  
server for the Mac?

Thanks!

Stas

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Re: CFMX 7.01 and Windows XP sp 2 issue

2006-05-02 Thread Victor Moore
It's IIS and it's hapenning only on this new machine.

Thx

On 5/2/06, Mike Kear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What web server are you using?   I recently moved to Apache and found
> all my sessions were being lost too.  I was getting a new session ID
> with every page view and therefore any logins were lost as were all
> sessoin variables.
>
> That prompted me to start tidying up my Application.cfc files and
> there were a lot of errors and needless things in there that had crept
> in over the years. (Like a lot of developers, when I start a new site
> i tend to copy the last Application.cfc file and modify it, rather
> than write a new one from scratch)   For some reason IIs tolerated
> that code but Apache didnt.
>
> Fixing my Application.cfm and Application.cfc files solved the issue
> though and gave me more solid apps into the bargain.
>
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>
>
>
> On 5/3/06, Victor Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It's working fine in Firefox.
> > Thx
> >
> > On 5/2/06, Josh Nathanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Could it be that Firefox cached your application page and so is giving
> you
> > > a
> > > "false positive", giving the impression that session variables are
> still
> > > set?  Try clearing your cache in Firefox and see if it still appears
> to
> > > hold
> > > the session variables.  If not then you know something is up with the
> CF
> > > configuration that is causing the session variables to be lost.  If
> > > there's
> > > still the difference between FF and IE then something really screwy is
> > > going
> > > on.
> > >
> > > -- Josh
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Victor Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "CF-Talk" 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:06 PM
> > > Subject: CFMX 7.01 and Windows XP sp 2 issue
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > It's been one of those days.
> > > > Anyway, here is the scoop:
> > > > New development machine with XP Professional sp 2. Installed CFMX 7,
> > > > updater
> > > > and hot fix 1 (cannot put 2 because it's not recommended for Flex 2
> > > > development)
> > > > Everything works fine, then trying to access an application (with
> IE)
> > > that
> > > > is using session variables and for some reason the session is lost
> > > between
> > > > pages.
> > > > Tried the same thing using Firefox and works fine. SO I thought it's
> a
> > > IE
> > > > setup, but then I used IE to connect to the same application on
> another
> > > > server and works fine.
> > > >
> > > > Now I'm lost. Windows XP firewall is disabled.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > > Victor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CFMX 7.01 and Windows XP sp 2 issue

2006-05-02 Thread Mike Kear
What web server are you using?   I recently moved to Apache and found
all my sessions were being lost too.  I was getting a new session ID
with every page view and therefore any logins were lost as were all
sessoin variables.

That prompted me to start tidying up my Application.cfc files and
there were a lot of errors and needless things in there that had crept
in over the years. (Like a lot of developers, when I start a new site
i tend to copy the last Application.cfc file and modify it, rather
than write a new one from scratch)   For some reason IIs tolerated
that code but Apache didnt.

Fixing my Application.cfm and Application.cfc files solved the issue
though and gave me more solid apps into the bargain.


Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month



On 5/3/06, Victor Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's working fine in Firefox.
> Thx
>
> On 5/2/06, Josh Nathanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Could it be that Firefox cached your application page and so is giving you
> > a
> > "false positive", giving the impression that session variables are still
> > set?  Try clearing your cache in Firefox and see if it still appears to
> > hold
> > the session variables.  If not then you know something is up with the CF
> > configuration that is causing the session variables to be lost.  If
> > there's
> > still the difference between FF and IE then something really screwy is
> > going
> > on.
> >
> > -- Josh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Victor Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:06 PM
> > Subject: CFMX 7.01 and Windows XP sp 2 issue
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > It's been one of those days.
> > > Anyway, here is the scoop:
> > > New development machine with XP Professional sp 2. Installed CFMX 7,
> > > updater
> > > and hot fix 1 (cannot put 2 because it's not recommended for Flex 2
> > > development)
> > > Everything works fine, then trying to access an application (with IE)
> > that
> > > is using session variables and for some reason the session is lost
> > between
> > > pages.
> > > Tried the same thing using Firefox and works fine. SO I thought it's a
> > IE
> > > setup, but then I used IE to connect to the same application on another
> > > server and works fine.
> > >
> > > Now I'm lost. Windows XP firewall is disabled.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > Victor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: CFMX 7.01 and Windows XP sp 2 issue

2006-05-02 Thread Victor Moore
It's working fine in Firefox.
Thx

On 5/2/06, Josh Nathanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Could it be that Firefox cached your application page and so is giving you
> a
> "false positive", giving the impression that session variables are still
> set?  Try clearing your cache in Firefox and see if it still appears to
> hold
> the session variables.  If not then you know something is up with the CF
> configuration that is causing the session variables to be lost.  If
> there's
> still the difference between FF and IE then something really screwy is
> going
> on.
>
> -- Josh
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Victor Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:06 PM
> Subject: CFMX 7.01 and Windows XP sp 2 issue
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > It's been one of those days.
> > Anyway, here is the scoop:
> > New development machine with XP Professional sp 2. Installed CFMX 7,
> > updater
> > and hot fix 1 (cannot put 2 because it's not recommended for Flex 2
> > development)
> > Everything works fine, then trying to access an application (with IE)
> that
> > is using session variables and for some reason the session is lost
> between
> > pages.
> > Tried the same thing using Firefox and works fine. SO I thought it's a
> IE
> > setup, but then I used IE to connect to the same application on another
> > server and works fine.
> >
> > Now I'm lost. Windows XP firewall is disabled.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> > Thank you
> > Victor
> >
> >
> >
>
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Re: CFMX 7.01 and Windows XP sp 2 issue

2006-05-02 Thread Josh Nathanson
Could it be that Firefox cached your application page and so is giving you a 
"false positive", giving the impression that session variables are still 
set?  Try clearing your cache in Firefox and see if it still appears to hold 
the session variables.  If not then you know something is up with the CF 
configuration that is causing the session variables to be lost.  If there's 
still the difference between FF and IE then something really screwy is going 
on.

-- Josh




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Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 5:06 PM
Subject: CFMX 7.01 and Windows XP sp 2 issue


> Hi,
>
> It's been one of those days.
> Anyway, here is the scoop:
> New development machine with XP Professional sp 2. Installed CFMX 7, 
> updater
> and hot fix 1 (cannot put 2 because it's not recommended for Flex 2
> development)
> Everything works fine, then trying to access an application (with IE) that
> is using session variables and for some reason the session is lost between
> pages.
> Tried the same thing using Firefox and works fine. SO I thought it's a IE
> setup, but then I used IE to connect to the same application on another
> server and works fine.
>
> Now I'm lost. Windows XP firewall is disabled.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Thank you
> Victor
>
>
> 

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CFMX 7.01 and Windows XP sp 2 issue

2006-05-02 Thread Victor Moore
Hi,

It's been one of those days.
Anyway, here is the scoop:
New development machine with XP Professional sp 2. Installed CFMX 7, updater
and hot fix 1 (cannot put 2 because it's not recommended for Flex 2
development)
Everything works fine, then trying to access an application (with IE) that
is using session variables and for some reason the session is lost between
pages.
Tried the same thing using Firefox and works fine. SO I thought it's a IE
setup, but then I used IE to connect to the same application on another
server and works fine.

Now I'm lost. Windows XP firewall is disabled.

Any ideas?


Thank you
Victor


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Re: faster alternative to cfcontent for large file downloads?

2006-05-02 Thread Jeff Horne
Thanks again, Dave.

Turns out the directory had permissions set to run executables.  I turned it 
off and the option to save comes up fine.

Much thanks.

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RE: Regex in CFInput/javascript syntax

2006-05-02 Thread Ian Skinner
Probably the same thing as was vexing Ken earlier, you gotta have the 
CFIDE/scripts directory available -

Well, no... It is the same server that was vexing Ken earlier.  We created the 
correct mapping and got the existing validation to work.  Then we added a new 
regex validation on a field and nothing happened.

I then came to my workstation and tried it and it worked.  When I get a chance, 
will of the question the server closer and see why it is not behaving.


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Re: Regex in CFInput/javascript syntax

2006-05-02 Thread Josh Nathanson
Probably the same thing as was vexing Ken earlier, you gotta have the 
CFIDE/scripts directory available -

If you're on a shared host, and you can't set up a mapping, you can just 
copy the "scripts" directory from your local box at 
yourserverroot/CFIDE/scripts into your web server root directory at the 
remote host and that should work.

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Rick Faircloth
>Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything else
>at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?

That's pretty much what I've done...4.5 is the first and only version of
CF I've ever owned and it's done everything I've needed, and more than
most clients could even fathom it could be used for.

However, I do know that "things, they are a changin' " and I don't want to
get too far behind technologically.

Besides, I do get bored and like to get into new stuff.  :o)

Visual Web Developer seems to be a nice tool (I say that only after
using a trial version) if someone is using ASP.NET...it integrates
nicely.  I may change that tune after using it more, however.

I tried (the 4th time) to use Dreamweaver, but it was lacking as
a visual design tool.  I didn't like the price...too high for what I got out
of it,
and didn't like working with CF components, anyway.

But if I migrate to coding ASP.NET, I'll need to start with components,
then move on into more hand coding as I did when starting with CF.
I let the components do the work at first, then study what they've done,
then write it myself so I can get finer control and more functionality
from the code.

CF has been good to me and I'll keep using it, at least for awhile.  But in
the meantime, I'll be giving ASP.NET, Visual Web Developer, and
probably SQL Server Express and thorough shakedown.

Rick


-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:35 PM
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Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer


> I hear what you're saying about the programming
> part...however, most of the sites I build are fairly
> simple...add, update, delete, report.
>
> Once I've grasped how to code that in ASP.NET, I can do 90%
> of the work I do.  And according to the ASP.NET Programming
> for Cold Fusion Programmers, I can do all of that with Visual
> Web Designer or Visual Studio without *any* programming.
> Although, I prefer to not use components, but rather write my
> own code, I got started in CF by using components, then when
> the demands of the code went beyond what I could do in
> components, I learned to write everything myself.

Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything else
at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?

> And...it seems, based on the description of ASP.Net 2.0, that
> it achieves interaction with data that's more like FLEX...but
> now I'm speaking way out of my comfort zone.  I just saw a
> model of database interaction based on objects and methods
> and not form submission and page refreshing or "action
> pages"...seemed interesting.

Not quite. The interaction is still page-based, although the Visual Studio
IDE provides the illusion that it isn't. Flex applications on the other
hand, truly are event-driven and work like desktop applications.

> I haven't abandoned CF by any means, but with no upgrade
> price break, and all the free software, etc, from MS, Adobe's
> making it tough to stick with them...

There's no such thing as a free lunch. Using ASP.NET locks you into the
Windows world. This severely limits your deployment options. If that's not a
problem for you, ASP.NET may be quite appealing, but you may end up paying a
price down the road as a result.

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Re: "Premium" Hosting suggestions

2006-05-02 Thread Stas Newdel
Thank you, Ken.

On May 2, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Ken Ferguson wrote:

> Here's yet another one with CF included in the price should you  
> need that:
> http://www.cfdynamics.com/dedicated/dedicatedbasic.cfm
>
> --Ferg
>
> Ken Ferguson wrote:
>> If that's your budget then why not get a dedicated server?
>>
>> http://www.crystaltech.com/dedicated-windows.aspx
>> http://www.servermatrix.com/products/super/ss36Details.html
>> http://www.enterhost.com/hosting/dedicated/cfserver1.cfm
>>
>> --Ferg
>>
>> Stas Newdel wrote:
>>
>>> I need something more than a $50/month package will provide, but  
>>> less
>>> than a complete dedicated/collocated solution. I've tried VPS from
>>> Hosting.com and it's a dog. YMMV.
>>>
>>> I need freedom to add Access and SQL databases on my own without
>>> having to send an email to support.
>>>
>>>   My budget is up to $200 a month.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>>
>>> Stas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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RE: Regex in CFInput/javascript syntax

2006-05-02 Thread Ian Skinner
Thanks, I got it to work on my workstation.  So now I got to see why the web 
server doesn't seam to want to play nicely with it.


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RE: Regex in CFInput/javascript syntax

2006-05-02 Thread Munson, Jacob
No, it should work as is.  But you have to use these two parameters:
validate = "regex"
pattern = "^[A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11}$" 

> -Original Message-
> From: Ian Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:02 PM
> 
> Is there something I need to do to this regex string 
> ^[A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11}$ to use it in a cfinput/javascript 
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Regex in CFInput/javascript syntax

2006-05-02 Thread Ian Skinner
Is there something I need to do to this regex string ^[A-Z]{1,2}[0-9]{5,11}$ to 
use it in a cfinput/javascript regular expression regex validation?


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RE: faster alternative to cfcontent for large file downloads?

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> I've changed my code to the text below.
> 
>  arguments="d:\inetpub\wwwroot\file_downloads 
> d:\inetpub\wwwroot\programs\download\" timeOut="600" 
> outputFile = "d:\temp\output.txt">
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RE: Connecting to CF locally w/o internet connection

2006-05-02 Thread Munson, Jacob
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/839013
> 
> Or, buy XP Professional.

Cool, thanks Dave.


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Re: faster alternative to cfcontent for large file downloads?

2006-05-02 Thread Jeff Horne
Thanks Dave.  I'm getting there.  We are on CF5.

I've changed my code to the text below.



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Re: (announcement) Beta release of next JRun

2006-05-02 Thread Denny Valliant
> Yes. But the real question is, what market do you mean? JRun is quite
> competitive in the low end of the J2EE application server market. It
> doesn't
> compete directly with WebSphere or WebLogic, and it isn't really meant to.
>
> It is also bundled with many, many products, and not just Adobe products
> either.


I was wondering... didn't seem like CF was enough of a motivation for
a whole J2EE appserver.

>From the JRun home, this quote:
  Optimized for performance, JRun is recognized as the fastest web
  container in the application server market.

Heh. Straight from the source. It's the fastest web container.

What are some apps that use JRun, off hand? I have kind of wondered...
mostly 3rd party apps that bundle it, or other Macrodobe products?

Not that google wouldn't be able to find out, but I digress. =-)
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Re: cfschedule delete work around??

2006-05-02 Thread Denny Valliant
I've had pretty good luck with scheduled tasks.  I'm not adding or removing
them very often, but they've generally run when I wanted them to, etc..
:den

On 5/2/06, Ken Ferguson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> After several attempts to rely upon scheduled tasks in CF blew up in my
> face, I realized that it just wasn't ever really going to work for me. I
> abandoned it completely and run all of my scheduled tasks from the OS.
> It seems to be infinitely more dependable.
>
> --Ferg
>
> Jim Priest wrote:
> > I don't think I've ever said anything bad about CF before but this
> > cfschedule bug is just a huge PITA.
> >
> > http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_18361
> >
> > I have several automated tasks and everything was working great until
> > recently we moved to Win2003 and now I'm stuck with apparently
> > restarting CF when I need to delete a scheduled task.
> >
> > If anyone from Adobe is reading this - please stop day dreaming about
> > features to add to the next release of CF and FIX THIS.
> >
> > Since I doubt that'll happen anytime soon  - I'm curious what are
> > people doing to work around this issue??
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
>
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Re: More of a JS Question/Forms

2006-05-02 Thread Denny Valliant
On 5/2/06, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Denny Valliant said:
> > The only trouble with JavaScript is: what if it's turned off?
>
> Then you fall back to server-side validation.


Indeed, if you remembered to do it.  I've found lots of places
where their only validation is through JS.  Thank god for the
web developer extension for firefox! Click click!

I'm guilty too, I've got some dates that aren't validated 'cept
JS, which I've been meaning to isValid or whatnot.

> The isValid() and maybe hidden form fields would be "safest".
> >
> > I think.
> >
> > Not the most UI friendly. In conjunction with some AJAX it
> > could be, tho.
>
> And how is AJAX going to work if Javascript doesn't work?


It's just a method to have both.  If JS is enabled, you can have
the AJAX check the inputs while they're still on the form, but
have it degrade nicely if they don't have JS enabled, using the
same submission page with a plain old "post" instead.

Theoretically.

In one app, I've got all the form fields in a DB, which I use to
determine if it's required, max length, etc..  Then I dynamically
generate the select queries, JS validation, DB insert validation...

In a setup like that it is easier to add the "check it from all
angles" - JS and Server Side- because I control the angles
through standard variables (required, length, datatype).

Doing it by hand is a pain in the ass but best practice is to
have both... so some wayform or another...
:de

-ps Although I've shied away from cfform, I like how now
you can do the same stuff I rolled my own to do (cf 7).


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RE: cfinput validation

2006-05-02 Thread Ken Ketsdever
I didn't have a mapping to the CFIDE. 

I also tested the validate attribute with Range, and then with Integer
both worked once I had the mapping set properly. 

Thank you
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Re: OT: Confirm email

2006-05-02 Thread Denny Valliant
On 5/2/06, Ken Ketsdever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Doesn't everyone just
> copy and paste into the second email field? That's what I do.
>
> Doesn't everyone just
> copy and paste into the second email field? That's what I do.
>
> Ditto


He he he.

So I guess y'all just copy and paste passwords when they
have the old "are you SURE you typed this right" double
entry thing? ;-)

If I'm getting passwords and stuff sent to my email, I'd
want to be sure I'd entered what I thought I'd entered.

But I make a lot of mistakes, so...
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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> I hear what you're saying about the programming 
> part...however, most of the sites I build are fairly 
> simple...add, update, delete, report.
> 
> Once I've grasped how to code that in ASP.NET, I can do 90% 
> of the work I do.  And according to the ASP.NET Programming 
> for Cold Fusion Programmers, I can do all of that with Visual 
> Web Designer or Visual Studio without *any* programming.  
> Although, I prefer to not use components, but rather write my 
> own code, I got started in CF by using components, then when 
> the demands of the code went beyond what I could do in 
> components, I learned to write everything myself.

Well then, if you're not using new functionality, why move to anything else
at all? Why not stick with CF 4.5.1 SP2?

> And...it seems, based on the description of ASP.Net 2.0, that 
> it achieves interaction with data that's more like FLEX...but 
> now I'm speaking way out of my comfort zone.  I just saw a 
> model of database interaction based on objects and methods 
> and not form submission and page refreshing or "action 
> pages"...seemed interesting.

Not quite. The interaction is still page-based, although the Visual Studio
IDE provides the illusion that it isn't. Flex applications on the other
hand, truly are event-driven and work like desktop applications.
 
> I haven't abandoned CF by any means, but with no upgrade 
> price break, and all the free software, etc, from MS, Adobe's 
> making it tough to stick with them...

There's no such thing as a free lunch. Using ASP.NET locks you into the
Windows world. This severely limits your deployment options. If that's not a
problem for you, ASP.NET may be quite appealing, but you may end up paying a
price down the road as a result.

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Re: cfinput validation

2006-05-02 Thread Josh Nathanson
Hm, that works as predicted on my box.  Make sure you have  
tags around the fields and also make sure your cfform.js file is in the 
/CFIDE/scripts directory in your site root.  Also you need to be on at least 
CFMX 6.1 I think.

-- Josh




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>I would like to ensure the input value is an integer between 0 - 800.
>
> What I have tried has either failed or I am expecting a different result
> that what is being produced. I can enter 900, move on to the next field,
> fill it out and submit the form with no apparent failure, or action of
> anykind.  What am I missing?
>
>  validateat="onblur">
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RE: cfinput validation

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> I would like to ensure the input value is an integer between 
> 0 - 800.  
> 
> What I have tried has either failed or I am expecting a 
> different result that what is being produced. I can enter 
> 900, move on to the next field, fill it out and submit the 
> form with no apparent failure, or action of anykind.  What am 
> I missing?
> 
>  validateat="onblur">

I think you have to use VALIDATE="RANGE" instead of "VALIDATE="INTEGER".

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RE: faster alternative to cfcontent for large file downloads?

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> I have downloaded the program and created this cfexecute.
> 
>  arguments="d:\file_downloads 
> d:\inetpub\wwwroot\programs\download\" timeOut="600">
> 
> I have done this but my link looks like 
> 
> file:///d:/file_downloads/42100/42100373.exe in the status bar
> 
> and the text below appears before the link
> 
> Junction v1.04 - Windows junction creator and reparse point 
> viewer Copyright (C) 2000-2005 Mark Russinovich Systems 
> Internals - http://www.sysinternals.com Created: 
> d:\file_downloads Targetted at: 
> d:\inetpub\wwwroot\gateway_payer\download\ 
> 
> Lastly, I get a "Page cannot be displayed" error when I 
> select the link.

First, you should move junction.exe outside of your web root. There's no
need to make it accessible through your web server.

Second, when you use CFEXECUTE, you won't want to display the output of
that. If you're using CFMX 6.1+, use the VARIABLE attribute to capture the
output.

Third, you will want to build a junction somewhere in your web-accessible
directories that points to the directory where the files actually are.
Presumably, in your above code, those files are in d:\file_downloads. So,
your junction command might look something like this:

junction d:\inetpub\wwwroot\programs\download d:\file_downloads

Finally, it will be up to you to build the correct link in your program. The
link will need to use HTTP. Presumably, that would be something like
#cgi.server_name#/programs/download/#filenameinquestion#

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cfinput validation

2006-05-02 Thread Ken Ketsdever
I would like to ensure the input value is an integer between 0 - 800.  

What I have tried has either failed or I am expecting a different result
that what is being produced. I can enter 900, move on to the next field,
fill it out and submit the form with no apparent failure, or action of
anykind.  What am I missing?



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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> Now that is not what I said is it.

That is certainly the implication of your statement.

> I am simply saying, some people will do and do do it anyway.
> You can say it's wrong till the cows come come, but that wont 
> stop people doing it.

So why did you mention it in the first place?

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Snake
Now that is not what I said is it.
I am simply saying, some people will do and do do it anyway.
You can say it's wrong till the cows come come, but that wont stop people
doing it.


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> Yes well at the end of the day, unless someone from MS visits every 
> subscriber, they dunno what your using it for do they.
> And how many end users can't afford the software off the shelf anyway 
> and use pirate copies.
> So paying for action pack is certainly better than doing that, at 
> least you have legit software, and if you're a developer (which we are 
> on this list) then your within the terms of licensing agremeent.
> Almost every MSDE/Action Pack subscriber I know uses their 
> subscription  to kit out their entire office with XP, office, etc etc.

I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to this, but are you really
advocating that everyone just go ahead and violate their software licenses?
Because at the end of the day, if you're violating the license, you don't
have "legit software".

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Rick Faircloth
I hear what you're saying about the programming part...however,
most of the sites I build are fairly simple...add, update, delete, report.

Once I've grasped how to code that in ASP.NET, I can do 90% of the
work I do.  And according to the ASP.NET Programming for Cold Fusion
Programmers, I can do all of that with Visual Web Designer or
Visual Studio without *any* programming.  Although, I prefer to not use
components, but rather write my own code, I got started in CF by
using components, then when the demands of the code went beyond
what I could do in components, I learned to write everything myself.

And...it seems, based on the description of ASP.Net 2.0, that
it achieves interaction with data that's more like FLEX...but now I'm
speaking way out of my comfort zone.  I just saw a model of database
interaction based on objects and methods and not
form submission and page refreshing or "action pages"...seemed interesting.

I haven't abandoned CF by any means, but with no upgrade price break,
and all the free software, etc, from MS, Adobe's making it tough to stick
with them...

Rick


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Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:55 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer


> Not quite sure I understand your response...it seems like
> we're saying the same thing...
>
> Scenario 1:
>
> Server Hardware
> Windows Server OS
> Cold Fusion Server
>
> Build app...wildly successful...setup more servers as above,
> paying for server hardware, server OS, and CF Server.
> i.e., server hardware, server OS, + $1300
>
> Scenario 2:
>
> Server Hardware
> Windows Server OS
> ASP.NET 2.0 (Free)
>
> Build app...wildly successful...setup more servers as above,
> paying for server hardware, server OS, ASP.Net 2.0 is still
> free, so I've saved $1300 per server...

All I'm saying is, while ASP.NET itself is free, Windows is not. One way or
the other, Bill gets paid.

> One reason the cost of CF is of concern is that I'm building
> more web software applications.  And if each client has to
> add $1300 to the cost of my app to run it in-house, then that
> hurts my ability to sell the app.  With ASP.NET, I don't have
> that cost...right?

Sure, if your time is free. For most programming projects, labor costs are
far more expensive than everything else.

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Re: faster alternative to cfcontent for large file downloads?

2006-05-02 Thread Jeff Horne
<< Use CFEXECUTE to run the junction.exe utility available from 
http://www.sysinternals.com/. >>

I have downloaded the program and created this cfexecute.



I have done this but my link looks like 

file:///d:/file_downloads/42100/42100373.exe in the status bar

and the text below appears before the link

Junction v1.04 - Windows junction creator and reparse point viewer Copyright 
(C) 2000-2005 Mark Russinovich Systems Internals - http://www.sysinternals.com 
Created: d:\file_downloads Targetted at: 
d:\inetpub\wwwroot\gateway_payer\download\ 

Lastly, I get a "Page cannot be displayed" error when I select the link.

I hate to be needy but I'm lost here.

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Rick Faircloth
I agree with Matthew, it's nice to see the ASP.NET coding
compared to CF...although it's still hard to grasp the ASP.NET
coding because it takes a different approach to data interaction
and, therefore, requires much more coding and understanding
than a simple CF query.

I'd probably understand it a lot better if I had used a CF framework
and moved beyond CF 4.5.2... :oP

Rick


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From: Plunkett, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:59 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer


Adam, I've been watching the recorded webcasts you did at:

http://www.learn2asp.net/CF/Campaign.aspx

They are amazing.  Thanks very much for doing this for the community.  I'm
sure your training courses are also great, but they're not in the cards for
me at the moment.

-Original Message-
From: Adam Churvis
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer



Yes, there is (C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers):

http://www.productivityenhancement.com/training/Itinerary.cfm?coursecode=CSH
ARP

It's an intensive training course, but it would give you *exactly* what you
need.
Respectfully,

Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding
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RE: Metasploit Framework

2006-05-02 Thread Kevin Aebig
I use an old P3 as a testing machine for new tools and utilities. You might
want to consider throwing together an extra machine that you can use to
practice or test on.

Cheers,

!k

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Metasploit Framework

hahhahaahaha good point

On 5/2/06, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Phill B said:
> > Has any one used this or know anything about it?
> > (www.metasploit.com) I would like to play around with it but I want
> > to have some opinions on it first.
>
> Only use it when you have written permission to break whatever you are
> using it against :)
>
> Jochem
>
>
>
>
> 



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RE: Connecting to CF locally w/o internet connection

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> Well, I'm not sure what happened, but it didn't work for me.  
> I had the CF server up and running, and my app was running 
> fine.  As soon as I got to a location where no Internet 
> access was available (and thus no network connection), I 
> couldn't access the CF site.  The CF service ran fine, but 
> going to http://localhost:8500/ didn't work.  Using 127.0.0.1 
> didn't work either, and doing an ipconfig showed that I had 
> no IP address.  This was on Win XP Home.  I've heard of this 
> happening to others too, someone told me about a high profile 
> Microsoft presentation where they couldn't run their preso 
> because they didn't have a network connection (and no IP 
> address).  If you know how to get around this, please share.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/839013

Or, buy XP Professional.

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RE: Connecting to CF locally w/o internet connection

2006-05-02 Thread Munson, Jacob
> If your network adapter is on, you should be able to run CF 
> locally without
> a network connection. This used to be a problem, with earlier 
> versions of
> Windows; you'd install the IP Loopback Adapter to allow localhost
> connectivity in that case.

Well, I'm not sure what happened, but it didn't work for me.  I had the
CF server up and running, and my app was running fine.  As soon as I got
to a location where no Internet access was available (and thus no
network connection), I couldn't access the CF site.  The CF service ran
fine, but going to 
http://localhost:8500/ didn't work.  Using 127.0.0.1 didn't work either,
and doing an ipconfig showed that I had no IP address.  This was on Win
XP Home.  I've heard of this happening to others too, someone told me
about a high profile Microsoft presentation where they couldn't run
their preso because they didn't have a network connection (and no IP
address).  If you know how to get around this, please share.


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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Adrian Lynch
Was just about to sign up when I spotted:

"Offer good in the United States and Canada only through June 30, 2006,
while supplies last."

:O(

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To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer


Well, there's an express version of the IDE that's free, and there are ways
to score the standard edition for free (*cough* www.learn2asp.net, sign up,
click 3 download buttons *cough* don't have to actually download them
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Re: MS-SQL connection string

2006-05-02 Thread Victor Moore
Hi Dave,

It's all fine now. Using the DNS-less connection I was able to create the db
and using the Admin API to create the datasource programmaticaly.

Two things that I have found: after the db is created the script throws an
error saying that no result set was return. I had to put in in a try/catch
block. Some info in the CFMX docs are wrong:
setStringParameterAsUnicode should be sendStringParametersAsUnicode.

I still have an issue that I can't figure out, regarding how  I set the
timeout and interval it creates it with timeout = 1 and interval = 0.

I'm not sure if this is a bug or just some obvious mistake on my end.

Thanks to all that helped. Very good list...

Victor

On 5/2/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > yes, I know about the Admin API, but I need to physically
> > create the database and then create the datasource using the
> > Admin API.
>
> If you have a database login with the appropriate permissions, you could
> create a datasource pointing to the SQL Server master database, run your
> creation script, then modify the datasource to point to the new database.
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
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Re: Metasploit Framework

2006-05-02 Thread Phill B
hahhahaahaha good point

On 5/2/06, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Phill B said:
> > Has any one used this or know anything about it?
> > (www.metasploit.com) I would like to play around with it but I want
> > to have some opinions on it first.
>
> Only use it when you have written permission to break whatever you are
> using it against :)
>
> Jochem
>
>
>
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RE: faster alternative to cfcontent for large file downloads?

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> Would you be able to site an example of how to do this in Windows?

Use CFEXECUTE to run the junction.exe utility available from
http://www.sysinternals.com/.

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Re: faster alternative to cfcontent for large file downloads?

2006-05-02 Thread Jeff Horne
<< One approach I've used successfully, is to create symbolic links to the 
files (in Unix) or their directories (in Windows), then delete those after a 
set period. >>

Dave,

Would you be able to site an example of how to do this in Windows?

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Re: "Premium" Hosting suggestions

2006-05-02 Thread Ken Ferguson
Here's yet another one with CF included in the price should you need that:
http://www.cfdynamics.com/dedicated/dedicatedbasic.cfm

--Ferg

Ken Ferguson wrote:
> If that's your budget then why not get a dedicated server?
>
> http://www.crystaltech.com/dedicated-windows.aspx
> http://www.servermatrix.com/products/super/ss36Details.html
> http://www.enterhost.com/hosting/dedicated/cfserver1.cfm
>
> --Ferg
>
> Stas Newdel wrote:
>   
>> I need something more than a $50/month package will provide, but less  
>> than a complete dedicated/collocated solution. I've tried VPS from  
>> Hosting.com and it's a dog. YMMV.
>>
>> I need freedom to add Access and SQL databases on my own without  
>> having to send an email to support.
>>
>>   My budget is up to $200 a month.
>>
>>
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>>
>> Stas
>>
>>
>> 
>
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RE: Including the contents of a webpage in an email with cfmail

2006-05-02 Thread Andy Matthews
I'll take a look at that too. Thanks.



-Original Message-
From: mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Including the contents of a webpage in an email with cfmail


Hey there,

I use PLUM which is a proceedural framework for coldfusion, as opposed to
the many OOP frameworks out there.  Anyway, one of the pages PLUM auto
generates with each app (which of course you can leave out if you wish) is
emailThisPage.cfm.  I didn't include the form page or the top of the action
page as they are all custom tags which will not mean anything to you since
you are not using PLUM.  However, here is the "meat" of the action page
which can help you figure it out.

If you have the time, check out plum www.productivityenhancement.com it is
free and it's the bomb.









#Form.Message##CFHTTP.FileContent#




-Original Message-
From: Smith, Daron [PA] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Including the contents of a webpage in an email with cfmail


Is it possible to include the actual HTML from a CF web page in a
cfmail?  We have a web content management system and it would be great
if our messages used the exact same stylesheets as our web pages and it
would make the process for end users much easier as they only need to
learn one process for editing web pages and creating email messages.

Thanks for the help,
Daron Smith
PSEA






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RE: Including the contents of a webpage in an email with cfmail

2006-05-02 Thread mark
If you want to see how it works, go to
www.mdprofinish.com/general/aboutus.cfm and click on the Email This Page on
the left nav bar.  When you click the link, the form is kind of vague in
that it says it will email a link to the page, which it does, but it also
emails the page itself in HTML format.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Including the contents of a webpage in an email with cfmail


Hey there,

I use PLUM which is a proceedural framework for coldfusion, as opposed to
the many OOP frameworks out there.  Anyway, one of the pages PLUM auto
generates with each app (which of course you can leave out if you wish) is
emailThisPage.cfm.  I didn't include the form page or the top of the action
page as they are all custom tags which will not mean anything to you since
you are not using PLUM.  However, here is the "meat" of the action page
which can help you figure it out.

If you have the time, check out plum www.productivityenhancement.com it is
free and it's the bomb.









#Form.Message##CFHTTP.FileContent#







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Re: "Premium" Hosting suggestions

2006-05-02 Thread Ken Ferguson
If that's your budget then why not get a dedicated server?

http://www.crystaltech.com/dedicated-windows.aspx
http://www.servermatrix.com/products/super/ss36Details.html
http://www.enterhost.com/hosting/dedicated/cfserver1.cfm

--Ferg

Stas Newdel wrote:
> I need something more than a $50/month package will provide, but less  
> than a complete dedicated/collocated solution. I've tried VPS from  
> Hosting.com and it's a dog. YMMV.
>
> I need freedom to add Access and SQL databases on my own without  
> having to send an email to support.
>
>   My budget is up to $200 a month.
>
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
>
> Stas
>
> 

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Re: How do I hate thee, cfdocument? Let me count the ways...or, using 1 piece of code to either stream or write.

2006-05-02 Thread Pete Ruckelshaus
Thanks Barney, that's a great idea.  I'll try that and cffile.

On 5/2/06, Barney Boisvert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Always write it to a file (using a temp file if you want to stream
> it), and then optionally use a CFCONTENT to stream it?  Hardly elegant
> or performant, but it will get the job done.
>
> cheers,
> barneyb
>
> On 5/2/06, Pete Ruckelshaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have such a love/hate relationship with cfdocument, it's pathetic.
> >
> > I'm writing an app.  In my app I generate a PDF using the cfdocument
> > tag.  Most of the time, I just want the PDF streamed to the browser,
> > so I don't include the filename attribute and all is well.  However,
> > using the same code to generate the same document, some of the time I
> > want to actually create a file to send as an email attachment.
> > "Fine." says I.  "I'll just either pass in a filename attribgute or
> > not"
> >
> > Alas, no.  Using the following code:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > if (file_only EQ "true") {
> > tmp.filename = GetDirectoryFromPath(GetTemplatePath()) & 
> > "test.pdf";
> > } else {
> > tmp.filename = "";
> > }
> > 
> >  > marginbottom="1" marginright="0" marginleft="0" orientation="portrait"
> > unit="cm" fontembed="Yes" backgroundvisible="No"
> > filename="#tmp.filename#" overwrite="yes">
> >
> > I am given a "fileNotFoundException" error message.  OK, perhaps it
> > doesn't like my passing in a dynamic filename.  Why don't I try two
> > different opening cfdocument tags in an if statement?  Nope, that
> > doesn't work either.
> >
> > Is there any way to use a single cfdocument tag to either stream a PDF
> > to the browser OR save the PDF as a file?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Pete
>
> --
> Barney Boisvert
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 360.319.6145
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RE: Including the contents of a webpage in an email with cfmail

2006-05-02 Thread mark
Hey there,

I use PLUM which is a proceedural framework for coldfusion, as opposed to
the many OOP frameworks out there.  Anyway, one of the pages PLUM auto
generates with each app (which of course you can leave out if you wish) is
emailThisPage.cfm.  I didn't include the form page or the top of the action
page as they are all custom tags which will not mean anything to you since
you are not using PLUM.  However, here is the "meat" of the action page
which can help you figure it out.

If you have the time, check out plum www.productivityenhancement.com it is
free and it's the bomb.









#Form.Message##CFHTTP.FileContent#




-Original Message-
From: Smith, Daron [PA] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Including the contents of a webpage in an email with cfmail


Is it possible to include the actual HTML from a CF web page in a
cfmail?  We have a web content management system and it would be great
if our messages used the exact same stylesheets as our web pages and it
would make the process for end users much easier as they only need to
learn one process for editing web pages and creating email messages.

Thanks for the help,
Daron Smith
PSEA




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"Premium" Hosting suggestions

2006-05-02 Thread Stas Newdel
I need something more than a $50/month package will provide, but less  
than a complete dedicated/collocated solution. I've tried VPS from  
Hosting.com and it's a dog. YMMV.

I need freedom to add Access and SQL databases on my own without  
having to send an email to support.

  My budget is up to $200 a month.


Thanks a lot!


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RE: How do I hate thee, cfdocument? Let me count the ways...or, using 1 piece of code to either stream or write.

2006-05-02 Thread Peterson, Chris
I don't think so, when your page gets compiled I always get errors
trying to use  with . When I have had to do this I
just encapsulate my document writing into a .cfc, and call 2 different
methods.  Ie writePdfToBrowser, or writePdfToFile.  Then just
 your actual document output inside the different structured
 tags and you should be all set ;)

Chris 

-Original Message-
From: Pete Ruckelshaus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:11 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: How do I hate thee, cfdocument? Let me count the ways...or,
using 1 piece of code to either stream or write.

I have such a love/hate relationship with cfdocument, it's pathetic.

I'm writing an app.  In my app I generate a PDF using the cfdocument
tag.  Most of the time, I just want the PDF streamed to the browser, so
I don't include the filename attribute and all is well.  However, using
the same code to generate the same document, some of the time I want to
actually create a file to send as an email attachment. 
"Fine." says I.  "I'll just either pass in a filename attribgute or not"

Alas, no.  Using the following code:

 
if (file_only EQ "true") {
tmp.filename = GetDirectoryFromPath(GetTemplatePath()) &
"test.pdf";
} else {
tmp.filename = "";
}



I am given a "fileNotFoundException" error message.  OK, perhaps it
doesn't like my passing in a dynamic filename.  Why don't I try two
different opening cfdocument tags in an if statement?  Nope, that
doesn't work either.

Is there any way to use a single cfdocument tag to either stream a PDF
to the browser OR save the PDF as a file?

Thanks

Pete



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Re: How do I hate thee, cfdocument? Let me count the ways...or, using 1 piece of code to either stream or write.

2006-05-02 Thread Barney Boisvert
Always write it to a file (using a temp file if you want to stream
it), and then optionally use a CFCONTENT to stream it?  Hardly elegant
or performant, but it will get the job done.

cheers,
barneyb

On 5/2/06, Pete Ruckelshaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have such a love/hate relationship with cfdocument, it's pathetic.
>
> I'm writing an app.  In my app I generate a PDF using the cfdocument
> tag.  Most of the time, I just want the PDF streamed to the browser,
> so I don't include the filename attribute and all is well.  However,
> using the same code to generate the same document, some of the time I
> want to actually create a file to send as an email attachment.
> "Fine." says I.  "I'll just either pass in a filename attribgute or
> not"
>
> Alas, no.  Using the following code:
>
> 
> 
> if (file_only EQ "true") {
> tmp.filename = GetDirectoryFromPath(GetTemplatePath()) & 
> "test.pdf";
> } else {
> tmp.filename = "";
> }
> 
>  marginbottom="1" marginright="0" marginleft="0" orientation="portrait"
> unit="cm" fontembed="Yes" backgroundvisible="No"
> filename="#tmp.filename#" overwrite="yes">
>
> I am given a "fileNotFoundException" error message.  OK, perhaps it
> doesn't like my passing in a dynamic filename.  Why don't I try two
> different opening cfdocument tags in an if statement?  Nope, that
> doesn't work either.
>
> Is there any way to use a single cfdocument tag to either stream a PDF
> to the browser OR save the PDF as a file?
>
> Thanks
>
> Pete

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Re: Low CC processing recommendations

2006-05-02 Thread Larry Lyons
This was discussed a few days ago,
http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/messages.cfm/forumid:4/threadid:45716

The upshot was that merchant.com was pretty good 
(http://www.merchant.com/smallbusiness). On their site they have a direct 
comparison to paypal. Merchant.com looked cheaper. 
http://www.merchant.com/comparetopaypal

hth,

larry

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>around 2.9%?
>
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> 
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How do I hate thee, cfdocument? Let me count the ways...or, using 1 piece of code to either stream or write.

2006-05-02 Thread Pete Ruckelshaus
I have such a love/hate relationship with cfdocument, it's pathetic.

I'm writing an app.  In my app I generate a PDF using the cfdocument
tag.  Most of the time, I just want the PDF streamed to the browser,
so I don't include the filename attribute and all is well.  However,
using the same code to generate the same document, some of the time I
want to actually create a file to send as an email attachment. 
"Fine." says I.  "I'll just either pass in a filename attribgute or
not"

Alas, no.  Using the following code:



if (file_only EQ "true") {
tmp.filename = GetDirectoryFromPath(GetTemplatePath()) & 
"test.pdf";
} else {
tmp.filename = "";
}



I am given a "fileNotFoundException" error message.  OK, perhaps it
doesn't like my passing in a dynamic filename.  Why don't I try two
different opening cfdocument tags in an if statement?  Nope, that
doesn't work either.

Is there any way to use a single cfdocument tag to either stream a PDF
to the browser OR save the PDF as a file?

Thanks

Pete

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RE: faster alternative to cfcontent for large file downloads?

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> I am using cfcontent to securely download files so the user 
> can not see the path the file is stored in.  With small files 
> this is fine, but with large 100mb+ files, it is much, much 
> slower than a straight html anchor tag.  Does anyone have a 
> fast alternative to using cfheader/cfcontent for large files?

One approach I've used successfully, is to create symbolic links to the
files (in Unix) or their directories (in Windows), then delete those after a
set period. This is much faster than using CFCONTENT, and faster than
copying files in and out of web directories.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

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RE: Including the contents of a webpage in an email with cfmail

2006-05-02 Thread Andy Matthews
Sure thing. Just use cfhttp on the page in question. Save it to a variable
then output that variable inside cfmail.

Just remember that most email clients don't fully support CSS. It's probably
going to be better all around to use a seperate page with inline CSS.



-Original Message-
From: Smith, Daron [PA] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:49 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Including the contents of a webpage in an email with cfmail


Is it possible to include the actual HTML from a CF web page in a
cfmail?  We have a web content management system and it would be great
if our messages used the exact same stylesheets as our web pages and it
would make the process for end users much easier as they only need to
learn one process for editing web pages and creating email messages.

Thanks for the help,
Daron Smith
PSEA

"PSEA E-mail Firewall" annotation on Tue May 02 2006 13:49:08
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NOTICE: Only the individual sender is responsible for the content of the
message, and the message does not necessarily reflect the position or policy
of the Pennsylvania State Education Association.
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RE: Connecting to CF locally w/o internet connection

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> Do you have a network connection?  I've tried to run the CF 
> server on a laptop when I had no network connection and it 
> wouldn't work.  I assumed this is because I didn't have an IP 
> address assigned to my network card, so the CF server didn't 
> know what to run on.  I think the same problem would exist 
> for any TCP/IP based software.

If your network adapter is on, you should be able to run CF locally without
a network connection. This used to be a problem, with earlier versions of
Windows; you'd install the IP Loopback Adapter to allow localhost
connectivity in that case.

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> Yes well at the end of the day, unless someone from MS visits 
> every subscriber, they dunno what your using it for do they. 
> And how many end users can't afford the software off the 
> shelf anyway and use pirate copies.
> So paying for action pack is certainly better than doing 
> that, at least you have legit software, and if you're a 
> developer (which we are on this list) then your within the 
> terms of licensing agremeent.
> Almost every MSDE/Action Pack subscriber I know uses their 
> subscription  to kit out their entire office with XP, office, 
> etc etc.

I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to this, but are you really
advocating that everyone just go ahead and violate their software licenses?
Because at the end of the day, if you're violating the license, you don't
have "legit software".

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RE: Connecting to CF locally w/o internet connection

2006-05-02 Thread Munson, Jacob
Do you have a network connection?  I've tried to run the CF server on a
laptop when I had no network connection and it wouldn't work.  I assumed
this is because I didn't have an IP address assigned to my network card,
so the CF server didn't know what to run on.  I think the same problem
would exist for any TCP/IP based software.

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Roth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 5:23 PM
> 
> We just had a software designer develop a CF application. For 
> sales calls I would like to run this without an internet 
> connection at all. Right now when I connect to the 
> localhost:8500 it insists on connecting to the internet. I do 
> not see a reason why and would like to run completely 
> remotely. Is this possible and if so, how?


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Including the contents of a webpage in an email with cfmail

2006-05-02 Thread Smith, Daron [PA]
Is it possible to include the actual HTML from a CF web page in a
cfmail?  We have a web content management system and it would be great
if our messages used the exact same stylesheets as our web pages and it
would make the process for end users much easier as they only need to
learn one process for editing web pages and creating email messages.
 
Thanks for the help,
Daron Smith
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Re: faster alternative to cfcontent for large file downloads?

2006-05-02 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
you could always write a copy of the file to a temp directory and then have
the anchor point to it.  If need be, for security, you could always name the
file with UUID then clean up the directory at night or after some set time
period

On 5/2/06, Jeff Horne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I am using cfcontent to securely download files so the user can not see
> the path the file is stored in.  With small files this is fine, but with
> large 100mb+ files, it is much, much slower than a straight html anchor
> tag.  Does anyone have a fast alternative to using cfheader/cfcontent for
> large files?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Horne
>
> 

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Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Aaron Rouse
Yeah but that helps someone like Rick none who keeps mentioning the added
cost of things for his clients.

On 5/2/06, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> u can install it all on your dev/testing servers and office workstations,
> presuming they are something to do with development.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 02 May 2006 17:46
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
>
> I thought the licensing for the action pack did not allow people to run
> the
> software beyond evaluation/demo use.
>
> On 5/2/06, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > An SPLA make sMicrosoft products more affordable.
> > And for local office/dev environment, the microsoft action pack is
> > unbeatable. All the software u need for only £299 yearly
> >
> > Russ
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 02 May 2006 17:16
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
> >
> > > But you've still got to have those servers (hardware and
> > > software) if you're Cold Fusion application becomes wildly
> > > successful, on top of the money you have to spend on an MS solution.
> >
> > Yes, but hardware and free software is cheaper than hardware and
> > non-free software. In addition, you can scale up in the Unix world
> > (especially with Solaris), while in Windows you can't as much
> > (although this is changing somewhat).
> >
> > Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> > http://www.figleaf.com/
> >
> > Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> > instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta,
> > Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> > Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 

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faster alternative to cfcontent for large file downloads?

2006-05-02 Thread Jeff Horne
I am using cfcontent to securely download files so the user can not see the 
path the file is stored in.  With small files this is fine, but with large 
100mb+ files, it is much, much slower than a straight html anchor tag.  Does 
anyone have a fast alternative to using cfheader/cfcontent for large files?

Thanks,

Jeff Horne

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Snake
Yes well at the end of the day, unless someone from MS visits every
subscriber, they dunno what your using it for do they. And how many end
users can't afford the software off the shelf anyway and use pirate copies.
So paying for action pack is certainly better than doing that, at least you
have legit software, and if you’re a developer (which we are on this list)
then your within the terms of licensing agremeent.
Almost every MSDE/Action Pack subscriber I know uses their subscription  to
kit out their entire office with XP, office, etc etc.


russ

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 May 2006 17:50
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

> An SPLA make sMicrosoft products more affordable.

"Free" is cheaper than "cheap".

> And for local office/dev environment, the microsoft action pack is 
> unbeatable. All the software u need for only £299 yearly

Yes, but most end users are not eligible for MS Action Pack. Sure, anyone
can sign up for it, but the Action Pack licensing requirements are pretty
clear.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Snake
u can install it all on your dev/testing servers and office workstations,
presuming they are something to do with development.


-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 May 2006 17:46
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

I thought the licensing for the action pack did not allow people to run the
software beyond evaluation/demo use.

On 5/2/06, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> An SPLA make sMicrosoft products more affordable.
> And for local office/dev environment, the microsoft action pack is 
> unbeatable. All the software u need for only £299 yearly
>
> Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 02 May 2006 17:16
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
>
> > But you've still got to have those servers (hardware and
> > software) if you're Cold Fusion application becomes wildly 
> > successful, on top of the money you have to spend on an MS solution.
>
> Yes, but hardware and free software is cheaper than hardware and 
> non-free software. In addition, you can scale up in the Unix world 
> (especially with Solaris), while in Windows you can't as much 
> (although this is changing somewhat).
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized 
> instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, 
> Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>
>
>
>
> 



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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Plunkett, Matthew
Adam, I've been watching the recorded webcasts you did at:

http://www.learn2asp.net/CF/Campaign.aspx

They are amazing.  Thanks very much for doing this for the community.  I'm
sure your training courses are also great, but they're not in the cards for
me at the moment. 

-Original Message-
From: Adam Churvis
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 1:03 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer



Yes, there is (C# & ASP.NET 2.0 for ColdFusion Developers):

http://www.productivityenhancement.com/training/Itinerary.cfm?coursecode=CSH
ARP

It's an intensive training course, but it would give you *exactly* what you
need.
Respectfully,

Adam Phillip Churvis
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer BlueDragon Alliance Founding
Committee

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Re: application slowed after migration from CF 5 to CF 7

2006-05-02 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Might be code logic, might be outside tags (if you have CFX tags), might be a 
bad admin setup. Have you moded the settings? Change the JVM or concurrent 
processes? There were a few great threads about optimizing CF on the list. I'll 
try to dig them up.

>Hello.
>
> 
>
>I have just migrated an application from CF5 to CF 7 and now I have
>complaints from the users that it has slowed down!!!  Is there anything
>specific that I can do to the server or alter in the code that may speed
>things up.  The code makes extensive use of Custom Tags that are stored
>in the CF custom tags folder, would this be anything to do with the slow
>down?
>
> 
>
>Thanks for reading.
>
>Cheers
>
>Martin

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> Not quite sure I understand your response...it seems like 
> we're saying the same thing...
> 
> Scenario 1:
> 
> Server Hardware
> Windows Server OS
> Cold Fusion Server
> 
> Build app...wildly successful...setup more servers as above, 
> paying for server hardware, server OS, and CF Server.
> i.e., server hardware, server OS, + $1300
> 
> Scenario 2:
> 
> Server Hardware
> Windows Server OS
> ASP.NET 2.0 (Free)
> 
> Build app...wildly successful...setup more servers as above, 
> paying for server hardware, server OS, ASP.Net 2.0 is still 
> free, so I've saved $1300 per server...

All I'm saying is, while ASP.NET itself is free, Windows is not. One way or
the other, Bill gets paid.

> One reason the cost of CF is of concern is that I'm building 
> more web software applications.  And if each client has to 
> add $1300 to the cost of my app to run it in-house, then that 
> hurts my ability to sell the app.  With ASP.NET, I don't have 
> that cost...right?

Sure, if your time is free. For most programming projects, labor costs are
far more expensive than everything else.

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> I thought the licensing for the action pack did not allow 
> people to run the software beyond evaluation/demo use.

No, actually, it does allow production use for the licensed company (but not
for their clients, etc).

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> An SPLA make sMicrosoft products more affordable.

"Free" is cheaper than "cheap".

> And for local office/dev environment, the microsoft action 
> pack is unbeatable. All the software u need for only £299 yearly

Yes, but most end users are not eligible for MS Action Pack. Sure, anyone
can sign up for it, but the Action Pack licensing requirements are pretty
clear.

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Re: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Aaron Rouse
I thought the licensing for the action pack did not allow people to run the
software beyond evaluation/demo use.

On 5/2/06, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> An SPLA make sMicrosoft products more affordable.
> And for local office/dev environment, the microsoft action pack is
> unbeatable. All the software u need for only £299 yearly
>
> Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 02 May 2006 17:16
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer
>
> > But you've still got to have those servers (hardware and
> > software) if you're Cold Fusion application becomes wildly successful,
> > on top of the money you have to spend on an MS solution.
>
> Yes, but hardware and free software is cheaper than hardware and non-free
> software. In addition, you can scale up in the Unix world (especially with
> Solaris), while in Windows you can't as much (although this is changing
> somewhat).
>
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
>
> Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized
> instruction
> at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore,
> Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location.
> Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information!
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: application slowed after migration from CF 5 to CF 7

2006-05-02 Thread Ali Awan
Martin,

Sorry I don't have any suggestions, but I just wanted to ask you that if you 
find out what was causing the problem.  I would be very interested in reading 
about what the cause was and how you were able to resolve the issues.

Thanks,
Ali

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Re: CFFile Sharing Violation

2006-05-02 Thread Ali Awan
Dave,

The joys of working on Legacy CF 5 code.
I figured that was the solution, but I just needed some suppporting arguments.

cheers,

>Why not do all your file writing after the fact, instead of within your
>loop, etc?
>
>Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>http://www.figleaf.com/

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Snake
An SPLA make sMicrosoft products more affordable.
And for local office/dev environment, the microsoft action pack is
unbeatable. All the software u need for only £299 yearly

Russ 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 May 2006 17:16
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

> But you've still got to have those servers (hardware and
> software) if you're Cold Fusion application becomes wildly successful, 
> on top of the money you have to spend on an MS solution.

Yes, but hardware and free software is cheaper than hardware and non-free
software. In addition, you can scale up in the Unix world (especially with
Solaris), while in Windows you can't as much (although this is changing
somewhat).

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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Rick Faircloth
Hi, Dave...

Not quite sure I understand your response...it seems
like we're saying the same thing...

Scenario 1:

Server Hardware
Windows Server OS
Cold Fusion Server

Build app...wildly successful...setup more servers
as above, paying for server hardware, server OS, and CF Server.
i.e., server hardware, server OS, + $1300

Scenario 2:

Server Hardware
Windows Server OS
ASP.NET 2.0 (Free)

Build app...wildly successful...setup more servers
as above, paying for server hardware, server OS,
ASP.Net 2.0 is still free, so I've saved $1300 per server...

Is that whay you're saying?

And...does my perspective seem accurate?

One reason the cost of CF is of concern is that I'm building
more web software applications.  And if each client has to
add $1300 to the cost of my app to run it in-house, then that
hurts my ability to sell the app.  With ASP.NET, I don't have
that cost...right?

Rick

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer


> But you've still got to have those servers (hardware and 
> software) if you're Cold Fusion application becomes wildly 
> successful, on top of the money you have to spend on an MS 
> solution.

Yes, but hardware and free software is cheaper than hardware and non-free
software. In addition, you can scale up in the Unix world (especially with
Solaris), while in Windows you can't as much (although this is changing
somewhat).




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Re: Metasploit Framework

2006-05-02 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Phill B said:
> Has any one used this or know anything about it?
> (www.metasploit.com) I would like to play around with it but I want
> to have some opinions on it first.

Only use it when you have written permission to break whatever you are
using it against :)

Jochem




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RE: ASP.Net book for CF programmer

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> But you've still got to have those servers (hardware and 
> software) if you're Cold Fusion application becomes wildly 
> successful, on top of the money you have to spend on an MS 
> solution.

Yes, but hardware and free software is cheaper than hardware and non-free
software. In addition, you can scale up in the Unix world (especially with
Solaris), while in Windows you can't as much (although this is changing
somewhat).

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RE: MS-SQL connection string

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> yes, I know about the Admin API, but I need to physically 
> create the database and then create the datasource using the 
> Admin API.

If you have a database login with the appropriate permissions, you could
create a datasource pointing to the SQL Server master database, run your
creation script, then modify the datasource to point to the new database.

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RE: Lost my CFEclipse snippets

2006-05-02 Thread Barthle, Robert \(Contractor\)
Thank you! That worked great!


thanks 
-r 
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-Original Message-
From: Sandra Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Lost my CFEclipse snippets


I've had this happen.

Right click on your project, and in the CFEclipse tab, make sure the
location for snippets does in fact refer to the directory the snippets are
in.

Close the snippets view by clickin on the x.  Reopen it via windows/Show
View.  Your snippets should reappear.
 


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RE: (announcement) Beta release of next JRun

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> Does anyone really see JRun as a viable contender in the market?

Yes. But the real question is, what market do you mean? JRun is quite
competitive in the low end of the J2EE application server market. It doesn't
compete directly with WebSphere or WebLogic, and it isn't really meant to.

It is also bundled with many, many products, and not just Adobe products
either.

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RE: Metasploit Framework

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Watts
> Has any one used this or know anything about it? 
> (www.metasploit.com) I would like to play around with it but 
> I want to have some opinions on it first.

Yes. It's pretty interesting, but a little raw. It can be a bit more
intrusive than your typical Nessus usage.

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RE: Lost my CFEclipse snippets

2006-05-02 Thread Sandra Clark
I've had this happen.

Right click on your project, and in the CFEclipse tab, make sure the
location for snippets does in fact refer to the directory the snippets are
in.

Close the snippets view by clickin on the x.  Reopen it via windows/Show
View.  Your snippets should reappear.
 


Sandra Clark
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Training in Cascading Style Sheets and Accessibility 
-Original Message-
From: Barthle, Robert (Contractor) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:40 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Lost my CFEclipse snippets

Sometime in the last couple of weeks, I lost the ability to use my snippets
in CFEclipse. I'm using Eclipse 3.1.2 and CFEclipse 1.2.0.
 
Here's the weird parts of this:

1.  It's happened on both my home and work PC's seemingly at around the
same time. 

2.  The snippet files are in the default locations on both, and the
files are not corrupted. 

3.  I have confirmed that the settings for CFEclipse point to the
correct snippets location. 

4.  I cannot create new snippets or packages.

I am lost as to why this has happened. Any thoughts?



thanks
-r
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: js browser detection library

2006-05-02 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
| This looked like the best, but it is abandonded:
| http://www.bgsu.edu/scripts/browser.js.html

Sorry pasted a wrong link, the above wasn't anything too interesting,
this was what I had in mind (extensive script, but not updated
recently):
http://www.dithered.com/javascript/browser_detect/index.html

/Hugo

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RE: js browser detection library

2006-05-02 Thread Steve Brownlee
Give BrowserHawk a try.  We use it in our application to detect
Javascript, Flash, and OS/Browser versions.

http://www.cyscape.com/Default.aspx?bhjs=0

-Original Message-
From: Hugo Ahlenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 11:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: OT: js browser detection library

Hi,

I was just looking for a javscript browser detection library. Yes, I
know, one should do object detection foremost, but for special needs
this is good.

I found a lot of libraries out there, but they seem to all have been
abandonded a couple of years ago (when the browser-wars got stale, when
Moz was in early stages of development I think).

Any tips/favorites to any hidden gems that some googling can't easily
uncover? 

This looked like the best, but it is abandonded:
http://www.bgsu.edu/scripts/browser.js.html

This is not fully up-to-date, but not too old:
http://techpatterns.com/downloads/javascript_browser_detection.php#full

Cheers,
Hugo

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OT: js browser detection library

2006-05-02 Thread Hugo Ahlenius
Hi,

I was just looking for a javscript browser detection library. Yes, I
know, one should do object detection foremost, but for special needs
this is good.

I found a lot of libraries out there, but they seem to all have been
abandonded a couple of years ago (when the browser-wars got stale, when
Moz was in early stages of development I think).

Any tips/favorites to any hidden gems that some googling can't easily
uncover? 

This looked like the best, but it is abandonded:
http://www.bgsu.edu/scripts/browser.js.html

This is not fully up-to-date, but not too old:
http://techpatterns.com/downloads/javascript_browser_detection.php#full

Cheers,
Hugo


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RE: Metasploit Framework

2006-05-02 Thread Kevin Aebig
I use it with security auditing. Please be advised that there are many
dangerous packages included and you can do a lot of damage with it,
depending what types of extras you use with it.

Cheers,

!k

-Original Message-
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Sent: May 2, 2006 8:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Metasploit Framework

Has any one used this or know anything about it? (www.metasploit.com)
I would like to play around with it but I want to have some opinions
on it first.

Thanks!

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Re: Typical JRUN Memory Usage CF 7 Integrated JRUN

2006-05-02 Thread jonese
thanks snake that's exactly what i was looking for :)

jonese

On 5/2/06, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> JRUN will use at least 100mb off the bat, how much each site will ad dto
> that depends how much it uses.
> If the site gets low tarffic and does not store any memory resident
> variables then it will add little, but if it is a busy site and/or stores
> everything in session/application scope and does a lot of query caching,
> then it will use more.
>
> Russ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 02 May 2006 15:59
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Typical JRUN Memory Usage CF 7 Integrated JRUN
>
> We're running CF7 Enterprise as in integrated JRUN system. Does anyone
> know
> what a typical memory usage should be when i view the process via the task
> manager?
>
> We run about 30 - 60 sites per server with an "average" load :)
>
> thanks in advance for answering this vague question.
> jonese
>
>
>
>
> 

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Lost my CFEclipse snippets

2006-05-02 Thread Barthle, Robert \(Contractor\)
Sometime in the last couple of weeks, I lost the ability to use my snippets in 
CFEclipse. I'm using Eclipse 3.1.2 and CFEclipse 1.2.0.
 
Here's the weird parts of this:

1.  It's happened on both my home and work PC's seemingly at around the 
same time. 

2.  The snippet files are in the default locations on both, and the files 
are not corrupted. 

3.  I have confirmed that the settings for CFEclipse point to the correct 
snippets location. 

4.  I cannot create new snippets or packages.

I am lost as to why this has happened. Any thoughts?



thanks 
-r 
_ 
Rob Barthle 
Contractor - Sr. Software Developer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
202-245-6484 

 


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RE: Typical JRUN Memory Usage CF 7 Integrated JRUN

2006-05-02 Thread Snake
JRUN will use at least 100mb off the bat, how much each site will ad dto
that depends how much it uses.
If the site gets low tarffic and does not store any memory resident
variables then it will add little, but if it is a busy site and/or stores
everything in session/application scope and does a lot of query caching,
then it will use more.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 May 2006 15:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Typical JRUN Memory Usage CF 7 Integrated JRUN

We're running CF7 Enterprise as in integrated JRUN system. Does anyone know
what a typical memory usage should be when i view the process via the task
manager?

We run about 30 - 60 sites per server with an "average" load :)

thanks in advance for answering this vague question.
jonese




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RE: cfschedule delete work around??

2006-05-02 Thread Snake
Presuming it's his own server and he has access to do that. 

-Original Message-
From: Peterson, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 May 2006 15:52
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: cfschedule delete work around??

Or you could just use the AdminAPI, I thought you could plug into that
directly?  From the site notes, it only needs to be restarted if you use the
 tag.  If you do it from the Admin, no need to re-start.

Chris 

-Original Message-
From: Jim Priest [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 10:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: cfschedule delete work around??

I don't think I've ever said anything bad about CF before but this
cfschedule bug is just a huge PITA.

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_18361

I have several automated tasks and everything was working great until
recently we moved to Win2003 and now I'm stuck with apparently restarting CF
when I need to delete a scheduled task.

If anyone from Adobe is reading this - please stop day dreaming about
features to add to the next release of CF and FIX THIS.

Since I doubt that'll happen anytime soon  - I'm curious what are people
doing to work around this issue??

Jim





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RE: Typical JRUN Memory Usage CF 7 Integrated JRUN

2006-05-02 Thread Mark A Kruger
This memory limit of 2 gig is related to the 1.4 JVM. We've found about
1.4gigs is the practical limit. What's everyone elses experience? I
understand that 1.5 removes this heap limitation.

-mark
 

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 9:52 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Typical JRUN Memory Usage CF 7 Integrated JRUN

There is no 'typical'.. your app will use as much as it needs to ;-) up
to a limit of 2GB




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From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 May 2006 15:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Typical JRUN Memory Usage CF 7 Integrated JRUN

We're running CF7 Enterprise as in integrated JRUN system. Does anyone know
what a typical memory usage should be when i view the process via the task
manager?

We run about 30 - 60 sites per server with an "average" load :)

thanks in advance for answering this vague question.
jonese






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Low CC processing recommendations

2006-05-02 Thread Steve Kahn
Anyone have a low rate way of receiving credit card payments, Paypal's
around 2.9%?

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Re: Taking the CF exam tomorrow...

2006-05-02 Thread Crow T. Robot
Good luck Andy.  Let us know how it goes.

Andy Matthews wrote:
> So I'll be taking the CF exam tomorrow. I've read through the CF study guide
> book several times and taken tons of tests using the Exam-Buster software.
> 
> I think I'm about as ready as I'll ever be. I think I'll have no problem at
> least passing the test. I'd love to shoot for expert though so wish me luck.
> 
>  andy matthews
> web developer
> ICGLink, Inc.
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RE: Typical JRUN Memory Usage CF 7 Integrated JRUN

2006-05-02 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
There is no 'typical'.. your app will use as much as it needs to ;-) up
to a limit of 2GB




-Original Message-
From: jonese [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 May 2006 15:59
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Typical JRUN Memory Usage CF 7 Integrated JRUN

We're running CF7 Enterprise as in integrated JRUN system. Does anyone know
what a typical memory usage should be when i view the process via the task
manager?

We run about 30 - 60 sites per server with an "average" load :)

thanks in advance for answering this vague question.
jonese




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RE: (announcement) Beta release of next JRun

2006-05-02 Thread Snake
If anyone would like to open up and substantiate the claim then that is up
to them, they are on this list.
But I'm not going to start pointing fingers because people trouble makers
like Jenny will just use it as another ropportunity to start flaming again.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 May 2006 15:38
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: (announcement) Beta release of next JRun

Snake said:
> As I HEARD IT and didn't  state it myself, no I cannot substantiate 
> it, you need need to ask the people that are making this claim 
> directly for proof.

That is kind of hard if you don't tell who they are...

Jochem






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Re: Typical JRUN Memory Usage CF 7 Integrated JRUN

2006-05-02 Thread Ryan Guill
I would definately say "it depends" ;)

It would depend on your settings in your jrun and cf, and the types of
things the applications are doing.  I would say close to a gig of
memory usage (if you have it) would not be uncalled for if even one of
your sites was doing any heavy lifting.

On 5/2/06, jonese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We're running CF7 Enterprise as in integrated JRUN system. Does anyone know
> what a typical memory usage should be when i view the process via the task
> manager?
>
> We run about 30 - 60 sites per server with an "average" load :)
>
> thanks in advance for answering this vague question.
> jonese
>
>
> 

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