web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Richard White
hi, i am about to deploy my first coldfusion application within my clients site 
but have been asked the question in regard to the best web server. 

I havent really done alot of research on web servers, am doing some now but 
would be extremely grateful of some expert advice.

I know my client would prefer to use an IIS web server, in order for it to sit 
on a windows server platform. Do most people use IIS with Coldfusion? can 
anybody tell me if this is adequate or whether i should really be pushing for a 
different environment?

I asked a question on here a long time ago in regard to web servers and was 
told that apache may be the best one to use. This question is more in regard to 
whether IIS is good enough or whether i need to consider other factors. Pardon 
my ignorance but I dont really know the difference between any of the web 
servers.

thanks very much for any advice

merry xmas to all and a very prosperous new year :)

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Re: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
IIS is for sure good enough, it is literally down to preference now.

IIS is certainly the easier to config I think.






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From: Richard White
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Sat Dec 23 09:09:44 2006
Subject: web servers - apache or IIS

hi, i am about to deploy my first coldfusion application within my clients
site but have been asked the question in regard to the best web server. 

I havent really done alot of research on web servers, am doing some now but
would be extremely grateful of some expert advice.

I know my client would prefer to use an IIS web server, in order for it to
sit on a windows server platform. Do most people use IIS with Coldfusion?
can anybody tell me if this is adequate or whether i should really be
pushing for a different environment?

I asked a question on here a long time ago in regard to web servers and was
told that apache may be the best one to use. This question is more in regard
to whether IIS is good enough or whether i need to consider other factors.
Pardon my ignorance but I dont really know the difference between any of the
web servers.

thanks very much for any advice

merry xmas to all and a very prosperous new year :)



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RE: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Snake
Unless you have any very specific reason to use Apache, as in a feature that
IIS does not support, then there is no reason not to use IIS if your running
on windows, it will do everything you need.
The most common reason people always had to use Apache was mod_rewrite, but
this now exists for IIS in the form of IISREWRITE among others.


Russ
 

-Original Message-
From: Richard White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 December 2006 09:10
To: CF-Talk
Subject: web servers - apache or IIS

hi, i am about to deploy my first coldfusion application within my clients
site but have been asked the question in regard to the best web server. 

I havent really done alot of research on web servers, am doing some now but
would be extremely grateful of some expert advice.

I know my client would prefer to use an IIS web server, in order for it to
sit on a windows server platform. Do most people use IIS with Coldfusion?
can anybody tell me if this is adequate or whether i should really be
pushing for a different environment?

I asked a question on here a long time ago in regard to web servers and was
told that apache may be the best one to use. This question is more in regard
to whether IIS is good enough or whether i need to consider other factors.
Pardon my ignorance but I dont really know the difference between any of the
web servers.

thanks very much for any advice

merry xmas to all and a very prosperous new year :)



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Re: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Doug Brown
Is there not alot more security concern for IIS as compared to Apache? I
have always heard this, so have always ran Apache on my windows server.
Things may have changed in IIS with the release of windows 2003 server.



Doug B.


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Re: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Not any more, maybe 3 of 4 years ago.









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Subject: Re: web servers - apache or IIS

Is there not alot more security concern for IIS as compared to Apache? I
have always heard this, so have always ran Apache on my windows server.
Things may have changed in IIS with the release of windows 2003 server.



Doug B.




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RE: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Snake
Only if you leave your server wide open, don't have a hav a firewall and
never patch it.
 

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: web servers - apache or IIS

Is there not alot more security concern for IIS as compared to Apache? I
have always heard this, so have always ran Apache on my windows server.
Things may have changed in IIS with the release of windows 2003 server.



Doug B.




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Re: newbie: Tools to use with MySQL

2006-12-23 Thread James Holmes
I normally use this for my MySQL work. I recently tried Navicat; I can
say that navicat is faster by far and I find it generally better to
work with.

On 12/23/06, Michael E. Carluen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dwayne,

 The mySQL Administrator http://www.mysql.com/products/tools/administrator/
 allows you to backup and restore your schemas to and from your remote server
 and local machine. And well, backup files generated from mySQL are .sql
 files that are pretty much self-contained... you just need to restore them.

 The administrator is definitely much better that the clunky phpMySQL.
 For everyday maintenance, it works great... and I rarely have a need to use
 the mySQL command line.  Best of all, its free.  Use it with the mySQL
 Browser, and you'll get most of the db maintenance stuff accomplished.

 Michael


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  From: Dwayne Cole [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:47 AM
  To: CF-Talk
  Subject: newbie: Tools to use with MySQL
 
  I feel like i did with eclipse 2 years ago.  When I made the switch i was
  like a baby in a candy store.
 
  I'm now ready to switch from Access to mySQL. Yeah, yeah what took me so
  long? I had my reasons but now I'm ready and I was wondering if anyone
  could provide me with some recommended administration tools.
 
  Current Development
  Coldfusion 6.1
  CFEclipse
  TopStyle
  Windows 2000
 
  New to my Arsonal
  MySQL 5.0
  MySQL Tools.
 
  I co-locate and every time I need to work with a datasource I download the
  MSAccess file to my local machine, make the changes then quickly upload
  the updated version.It's akward.  Particularly considering that I
  manage as many as 25 live data sources (all with the same table
  structure).  From my understanding, this wont work with mySQL because
  mySQL databases are not files.  I wondering what's the process then.
 
 
 

 

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Re: get server uptime and # of requests

2006-12-23 Thread Raymond Camden
getMetricData can return the number of requests:

http://www.cfquickdocs.com/?getDoc=GetMetricData

On 12/22/06, John Blayter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have Fusion Reactor EE installed on my production environment but
 want to develop a mobile website for management so they can see the
 uptime and number of requests. I looked through the FRAPI
 documentation and this information is not accessible. Does anyone know
 of a way to get this information out of Fusion Reactor?

 --
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 602.740.3020
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.blayter.com/john/

 

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Re: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Jacob Munson
 I know my client would prefer to use an IIS web server, in order for it to 
 sit on a windows server platform.

This is a common misconception, Apache does run on Windows, in fact
IIRC, most Apache installs out there are on Windows servers, and
Apache currently holds 70% of the web server market share according to
Netcraft.  So don't let Windows vs. Linux be your deciding factor, as
that has nothing to do with it.

However, I won't dispute what the others have said about IIS.  While
personally I loathe IIS, I can't honestly say that it's worse than
Apache these days as far as usability, features, and security.

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RE: newbie: Tools to use with MySQL

2006-12-23 Thread Eric Roberts
Phpmyadmin is awesome.  Their MySQL Workbench and MySQL Administrator are
also not bad.  They can be dl'd at MySQL.org.  I wish there was a decent CF
version of PHPMyAdmin.  I ran across a CFMyAdmin a while back and it really
sucked unfortunately. It had a lot of potential, but it didn't work.

Eric 

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Sent: Friday, 22 December 2006 15:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: newbie: Tools to use with MySQL

Quoting Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I like PHPMyAdmin...it's nice and easy to use...and it's free.

  I'm now ready to switch from Access to mySQL. Yeah, yeah what took 
  me so long? I had my reasons but now I'm ready and I was wondering 
  if anyone could provide me with some recommended administration tools.
 
 I've always liked Navicat for mySQL admin:  www.navicat.com The free 
 MySQL Administrator works fine too. Just Navicat is lots slicker.
 
 Will
 
 



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RE: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Jim Davis
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 4:10 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: web servers - apache or IIS
 
 hi, i am about to deploy my first coldfusion application within my clients
 site but have been asked the question in regard to the best web server.
 
 I havent really done alot of research on web servers, am doing some now
 but would be extremely grateful of some expert advice.

Don't pick one according to feature sets or hearsay (both are very
competitive with each other).  Pick one according to the skill of the
administrator.

If the admin has more experience with one then go with that.  If the admin
has no experience with either then I must suggest IIS - it's much easier to
administer.  (Although it can be a bad idea to learn web server admining on
the fly.)

In the end your server is only as capable and secure and the person/people
managing it - make sure they're working from their strongest base.

Jim Davis



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RE: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
Well put as usual Jim.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: web servers - apache or IIS

 -Original Message-
 From: Richard White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 4:10 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: web servers - apache or IIS
 
 hi, i am about to deploy my first coldfusion application within my clients
 site but have been asked the question in regard to the best web server.
 
 I havent really done alot of research on web servers, am doing some now
 but would be extremely grateful of some expert advice.

Don't pick one according to feature sets or hearsay (both are very
competitive with each other).  Pick one according to the skill of the
administrator.

If the admin has more experience with one then go with that.  If the admin
has no experience with either then I must suggest IIS - it's much easier to
administer.  (Although it can be a bad idea to learn web server admining on
the fly.)

In the end your server is only as capable and secure and the person/people
managing it - make sure they're working from their strongest base.

Jim Davis





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RE: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Eric Roberts
I would say if you are hosting on Windows, go with IIS as IIS was made to
work with windows.  If you are going with UNIX/LINUX...go with Apache.

Eric 

-Original Message-
From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 16:05
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: web servers - apache or IIS

Well put as usual Jim.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: web servers - apache or IIS

 -Original Message-
 From: Richard White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 4:10 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: web servers - apache or IIS
 
 hi, i am about to deploy my first coldfusion application within my 
 clients site but have been asked the question in regard to the best web
server.
 
 I havent really done alot of research on web servers, am doing some 
 now but would be extremely grateful of some expert advice.

Don't pick one according to feature sets or hearsay (both are very
competitive with each other).  Pick one according to the skill of the
administrator.

If the admin has more experience with one then go with that.  If the admin
has no experience with either then I must suggest IIS - it's much easier to
administer.  (Although it can be a bad idea to learn web server admining on
the fly.)

In the end your server is only as capable and secure and the person/people
managing it - make sure they're working from their strongest base.

Jim Davis







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Re: get server uptime and # of requests

2006-12-23 Thread Douglas Knudsen
IIRC, getMetricsData only works on standalone installs, not the J2EE install
path.

DK

On 12/23/06, Raymond Camden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 getMetricData can return the number of requests:

 http://www.cfquickdocs.com/?getDoc=GetMetricData

 On 12/22/06, John Blayter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have Fusion Reactor EE installed on my production environment but
  want to develop a mobile website for management so they can see the
  uptime and number of requests. I looked through the FRAPI
  documentation and this information is not accessible. Does anyone know
  of a way to get this information out of Fusion Reactor?
 
  --
  John Blayter
  602.740.3020
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  http://www.blayter.com/john/
 
 

 

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RE: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Bobby Hartsfield
I'd say that the fact that there is even a choice rules out Linux. Only
Windows gives an option between the two. But either way, both run just as
well on Windows so you're still left with the only thing that really
matters... which one you know more about.

-Original Message-
From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 6:47 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: web servers - apache or IIS

I would say if you are hosting on Windows, go with IIS as IIS was made to
work with windows.  If you are going with UNIX/LINUX...go with Apache.

Eric 

-Original Message-
From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 16:05
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: web servers - apache or IIS

Well put as usual Jim.

-Original Message-
From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: web servers - apache or IIS

 -Original Message-
 From: Richard White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 4:10 AM
 To: CF-Talk
 Subject: web servers - apache or IIS
 
 hi, i am about to deploy my first coldfusion application within my 
 clients site but have been asked the question in regard to the best web
server.
 
 I havent really done alot of research on web servers, am doing some 
 now but would be extremely grateful of some expert advice.

Don't pick one according to feature sets or hearsay (both are very
competitive with each other).  Pick one according to the skill of the
administrator.

If the admin has more experience with one then go with that.  If the admin
has no experience with either then I must suggest IIS - it's much easier to
administer.  (Although it can be a bad idea to learn web server admining on
the fly.)

In the end your server is only as capable and secure and the person/people
managing it - make sure they're working from their strongest base.

Jim Davis









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RE: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Dave Watts
 Is there not alot more security concern for IIS as compared 
 to Apache? I have always heard this, so have always ran 
 Apache on my windows server.
 Things may have changed in IIS with the release of windows 
 2003 server.

IIS 6 is adequately secure by default. IIS 5 was not, but could easily be
configured to be adequately secure.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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RE: web servers - apache or IIS

2006-12-23 Thread Dave Watts
 I know my client would prefer to use an IIS web server, in 
 order for it to sit on a windows server platform. Do most 
 people use IIS with Coldfusion? can anybody tell me if this 
 is adequate or whether i should really be pushing for a 
 different environment?

As several people have mentioned, Apache runs nicely on Windows. However,
IIS provides some potentially useful Windows-specific functionality, such as
client authentication against Active Directory. Does your client plan to use
that functionality? Has your client expressed a preference for IIS, or just
Windows? Who will manage this server, you or your client?

In general, I prefer IIS if I'm using Windows, but it really doesn't matter
much. As Jim said, use whatever you're more comfortable with, in the absence
of a specific feature requirement.

 I asked a question on here a long time ago in regard to web 
 servers and was told that apache may be the best one to use. 
 This question is more in regard to whether IIS is good enough 
 or whether i need to consider other factors. Pardon my 
 ignorance but I dont really know the difference between any 
 of the web servers.

Any web server that supports ColdFusion is good enough.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/

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RE: Web App Security Testing

2006-12-23 Thread michael acadia
Yes - it's a great tool, but can be difficult to figure out when you're first 
working with it (I'm not using the most recent version; it might be easier 
now). I know I'm not using it to its full potential - there's a lot packed into 
it. If you're planning to use it with Firefox, you should install a 
proxy-switcher extension (such as FoxyProxy).

I'd also recommend Paros (parosproxy.org).
-michael

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 Now that I'm knee deep in web app security, I was referred to this link:
 
 http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_WebScarab_Project
 
 Has anyone on here used WebScarab for their web app testing?


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