=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: how can I strip a UK =A3 sign from a u rl variable??=

2007-04-08 Thread stylo stylo
>>However cf7 on the host gives the same type error 

Just to clarify, I meant the same ?66 is not a number error, not a locale error.

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: how can I strip a UK =A3 sign from a u rl variable??=

2007-04-08 Thread stylo stylo
Nothing worked so ended up regexing them and resetting them. Thanks for the 
help anyway.

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: Re: how can I strip a UK =A3 sign from a u rl variable??=

2007-04-08 Thread Paul Hastings
stylo stylo wrote:
>> using cf7, utf-8, that snippet works fine. 
> 
> I checked GetEncoding("URL") and it said utf-8

and did you set it previously? in any case that's what cf's expecting/using not 
what the other app's producing.

can you post the entire url var or point to a public page that exhibits the 
problem?

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: Re: how can I strip a UK =A3 sign from a u rl variable??=

2007-04-08 Thread Paul Hastings
stylo stylo wrote:
> However cf7 on the host gives the same type error after setting to 
> setLocale("en_GB") - btw, moving to BD shortly if that makes a difference.

no, it cannot give the same error, cf7 accepts java style locales. your host is 
using a cf version prior to 7.

> I have no idea, sorry, I guess the default.

if your host is cf6/7 then it should be utf-8 but that depends on if someone 
changed the server encoding.

could be the reverse case, latin-1 or whatever encoding coming in via your url 
& 
utf-8 on the cf page. try adding

 to the top of that snippet. 
if 
that doesn't fix it, then it might be "whatever" encoding. i guess then try 
"windows-1252" codepage.

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Re: Need help with grouped query and inner

2007-04-08 Thread Will Tomlinson
>use distinct in there to only output one of each name
>
>

I tried distinct, didn't work. Here's what my output looks like:

http://wtomlinson.com/questionCap.jpg

SELECT DISTINCT
tblquestionsets.questionsetid,
tblquestionsets.questionsetname,
tblquestions.questionid,
tblquestions.questionsetid,
tblquestions.question,
tblquestions.questioncatid,
tblquestions.questionsortnum,
tblquestions.questionrequired,
tblquestioncats.questioncatid,
tblquestioncats.questioncatname,
tblquestionsanswers_x.questionanswersetid,
tblquestionsanswers_x.answersetid,
tblquestionsanswers_x.questionid,
tblanswersets.answersetid,
tblanswersets.answersetname,
tblanswersets.answersettypeid,
tblanswersets.answersetrequired,
tblanswersettypes.answersettypeid,
tblanswersettypes.answersettypename,
tblanswersetsanswers_x.answersetsanswersid,
tblanswersetsanswers_x.answersetid,
tblanswersetsanswers_x.answerid,
tblanswers.answerid,
tblanswers.answername,
tblanswers.answervalue,
tblanswers.answersortnum,
tblquestionsets.questionsetdateadded
FROM
tblquestionsets,
tblquestions,
tblanswersets,
tblquestionsanswers_x,
tblanswersettypes,
tblanswers,
tblanswersetsanswers_x,
tblquestioncats
WHERE
tblquestionsets.questionsetID = tblquestions.questionsetID
AND tblquestions.questionid = tblquestionsanswers_x.questionid
AND tblquestionsanswers_x.answersetid = tblanswersets.answersetid
AND tblanswersets.answersetid = tblanswersetsanswers_x.answersetid
AND tblanswersetsanswers_x.answerid = tblanswers.answerid
AND tblanswersets.answersettypeid = tblanswersettypes.answersettypeid
AND tblquestions.questioncatid = tblquestioncats.questioncatid
AND tblquestionsets.questionsetID = 1
AND tblquestions.questioncatid = 3

ORDER BY tblquestions.questionid, tblanswersets.answersetid, tblanswers.answerid


 #answersetname#

   
  #answername#
  
  



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Re: Hostmysite down...

2007-04-08 Thread Dave l
you gotta remember cfm wasnt made to work as a shared server.

and i wouldnt blame hms, blame some bad code from someone on the server (aka 
will).

and Will, what about my code? I got my own vps servers there and my sites are 
never down, which is remarkable considering that they are on winblows 


bottom line is that if you are on a shared server you are at the mercy of other 
peoples code that can bring the server down, HMS has gotten pretty strict about 
bad code on the shared servers but still... If you want better uptime then get 
your own vps at least. PPl complain that they are $$ but if you have enough 
clients (in other worlds this wouldnt benefit will and his 2 clients) then it 
becomes even cheaper.

As far as ct goes, they wouldnt even make my long list of possible hosts.

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: how can I strip a UK =A3 sign from a u rl variable??=

2007-04-08 Thread stylo stylo
> using cf7, utf-8, that snippet works fine. 

I checked GetEncoding("URL") and it said utf-8

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Re: Need help with grouped query and inner

2007-04-08 Thread Dave l
use distinct in there to only output one of each name



> >I beleive your cfoutput group should match the sort order of the 
> query.
> >
> 
> I added the questionid to the front of the sort order. Still no luck. 
> 
> 
> I did setup a valuelist so I could see what's coming straight out of 
> the query. It produces this:
> 
> Clinton,Clinton,Clinton,Clinton,Clinton,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,
> Reagan,Reagan,Reagan,Reagan,Reagan
> Computers,Projectors,Chalkboard,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5
> 
> How am I getting a cartesian join?? I've double checked my join 
> clauses.
> 
> I need Clinton 1,2,3,4,5 Bush 1,2,3,4,5
> 
> Thanks,
Will

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Re: Need help with grouped query and inner

2007-04-08 Thread Will Tomlinson
>I beleive your cfoutput group should match the sort order of the query.
>

I added the questionid to the front of the sort order. Still no luck. 

I did setup a valuelist so I could see what's coming straight out of the query. 
It produces this:

Clinton,Clinton,Clinton,Clinton,Clinton,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Bush,Reagan,Reagan,Reagan,Reagan,Reagan
Computers,Projectors,Chalkboard,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5

How am I getting a cartesian join?? I've double checked my join clauses.

I need Clinton 1,2,3,4,5 Bush 1,2,3,4,5

Thanks,
Will

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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re: how can I strip a UK =A3 sign from a u rl variable??=

2007-04-08 Thread stylo stylo
> then you're pre-cf7. what version of cf?

this is just locally, testing it. 

However cf7 on the host gives the same type error after setting to 
setLocale("en_GB") - btw, moving to BD shortly if that makes a difference.

 "Parameter 1, �66.16, of function LSParseCurrency is  an invalid currency 
value in the current locale."
 
> what encoding is the page that produced the url value, the page 
> accepting it, 

I have no idea, sorry, I guess the default.

> etc.? have you tried urlDecode on those url vars?

-just did, same error.

Hm..



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Re: Need help with grouped query and inner

2007-04-08 Thread Qasim Rasheed
I beleive your cfoutput group should match the sort order of the query.



On 4/8/07, Will Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I usually don't have problems with grouping and outputting data, but this
> one's got my number so far...
>
> With my db schema, a question can be related to more than one answer set.
> An answer set can be related to more than one question.
>
> An answer set can be related to more than one answer. An answer can be
> related to more than one answer set.
>
> All my questions work except the rankings. I'm trying to do this.
>
> Question: Rank your favorite colors.
>
> Answer set: Blue  Answers: 1,2,3,4
> Answer set: Green Answers: 1,2,3,4
> etc.. etc..
>
> Here's my query:
>
> SELECT
> tblquestionsets.questionsetid,
> tblquestionsets.questionsetname,
> tblquestions.questionid,
> tblquestions.questionsetid,
> tblquestions.question,
> tblquestions.questioncatid,
> tblquestions.questionsortnum,
> tblquestions.questionrequired,
> tblquestioncats.questioncatid,
> tblquestioncats.questioncatname,
> tblquestionsanswers_x.questionanswersetid,
> tblquestionsanswers_x.answersetid,
> tblquestionsanswers_x.questionid,
> tblanswersets.answersetid,
> tblanswersets.answersetname,
> tblanswersets.answersettypeid,
> tblanswersets.answersetrequired,
> tblanswersettypes.answersettypeid,
> tblanswersettypes.answersettypename,
> tblanswersetsanswers_x.answersetsanswersid,
> tblanswersetsanswers_x.answersetid,
> tblanswersetsanswers_x.answerid,
> tblanswers.answerid,
> tblanswers.answername,
> tblanswers.answervalue,
> tblanswers.answersortnum,
> tblquestionsets.questionsetdateadded
> FROM
> tblquestionsets,
> tblquestions,
> tblanswersets,
> tblquestionsanswers_x,
> tblanswersettypes,
> tblanswers,
> tblanswersetsanswers_x,
> tblquestioncats
> WHERE
> tblquestionsets.questionsetID = tblquestions.questionsetID
> AND tblquestions.questionid = tblquestionsanswers_x.questionid
> AND tblquestionsanswers_x.answersetid = tblanswersets.answersetid
> AND tblanswersets.answersetid = tblanswersetsanswers_x.answersetid
> AND tblanswersetsanswers_x.answerid = tblanswers.answerid
> AND tblanswersets.answersettypeid = tblanswersettypes.answersettypeid
> AND tblquestions.questioncatid = tblquestioncats.questioncatid
> AND tblquestionsets.questionsetID = 1
> AND tblquestions.questioncatid = 3
> ORDER BY tblanswersets.answersetid, tblanswers.answerid
>
> Here's my output:
>
> 
>   
>   #answersetname#
>
>   
>  #answername#
>   
>
>   
> 
>
> But here's what it outputs:
>
> http://wtomlinson.com/questionCap.jpg
>
> I need it to show just one answer set, but with the multiple answers in
> the dropdown. I've tried playing with all sorts of combinations, with no
> luck.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Will
>
>
>
> 

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Need help with grouped query and inner

2007-04-08 Thread Will Tomlinson
I usually don't have problems with grouping and outputting data, but this one's 
got my number so far...

With my db schema, a question can be related to more than one answer set. An 
answer set can be related to more than one question. 

An answer set can be related to more than one answer. An answer can be related 
to more than one answer set. 

All my questions work except the rankings. I'm trying to do this. 

Question: Rank your favorite colors. 

Answer set: Blue  Answers: 1,2,3,4
Answer set: Green Answers: 1,2,3,4
etc.. etc..

Here's my query:

SELECT
tblquestionsets.questionsetid,
tblquestionsets.questionsetname,
tblquestions.questionid,
tblquestions.questionsetid,
tblquestions.question,
tblquestions.questioncatid,
tblquestions.questionsortnum,
tblquestions.questionrequired,
tblquestioncats.questioncatid,
tblquestioncats.questioncatname,
tblquestionsanswers_x.questionanswersetid,
tblquestionsanswers_x.answersetid,
tblquestionsanswers_x.questionid,
tblanswersets.answersetid,
tblanswersets.answersetname,
tblanswersets.answersettypeid,
tblanswersets.answersetrequired,
tblanswersettypes.answersettypeid,
tblanswersettypes.answersettypename,
tblanswersetsanswers_x.answersetsanswersid,
tblanswersetsanswers_x.answersetid,
tblanswersetsanswers_x.answerid,
tblanswers.answerid,
tblanswers.answername,
tblanswers.answervalue,
tblanswers.answersortnum,
tblquestionsets.questionsetdateadded
FROM
tblquestionsets,
tblquestions,
tblanswersets,
tblquestionsanswers_x,
tblanswersettypes,
tblanswers,
tblanswersetsanswers_x,
tblquestioncats
WHERE
tblquestionsets.questionsetID = tblquestions.questionsetID
AND tblquestions.questionid = tblquestionsanswers_x.questionid
AND tblquestionsanswers_x.answersetid = tblanswersets.answersetid
AND tblanswersets.answersetid = tblanswersetsanswers_x.answersetid
AND tblanswersetsanswers_x.answerid = tblanswers.answerid
AND tblanswersets.answersettypeid = tblanswersettypes.answersettypeid
AND tblquestions.questioncatid = tblquestioncats.questioncatid
AND tblquestionsets.questionsetID = 1
AND tblquestions.questioncatid = 3
ORDER BY tblanswersets.answersetid, tblanswers.answerid

Here's my output:


  
  #answersetname#

  
 #answername#   
   
  
   


But here's what it outputs:

http://wtomlinson.com/questionCap.jpg

I need it to show just one answer set, but with the multiple answers in the 
dropdown. I've tried playing with all sorts of combinations, with no luck. 

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Will

  

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Re: Using CFCs in session scope - need cflock help

2007-04-08 Thread Mike Kear
I think that on all these things,  moderation and compromise is the key.

You can spend thousands of your clients dollars tweaking performance
out of every last action on the site, but it's not always warranted.

For example, on a page that's key to the site, the central, most
visited page in the site,  then milliseconds shaved here or there are
probably worth it.   On another page, that might be used once or twice
a week,  saving whole seconds off the processing time might not be
worth the time and money to speed them up.

Similarly,  you can spend a LOT of time fiddling about with getting
RAM usage down by using other techniques than OO.But there are a
lot of advantages to using OO, and if you arent in danger of starving
other parts of the application of RAM,  it's not a bad compromise to
allow RAM to be used up by users' CFCS in the sesson scope - AS LONG
as you dont have so many concurrent user sessons that you hog RAM
needed by other parts of the Appl.   For example if you expect to have
20 concurrent user sessions,  putting userbean.cfcs into session scope
has less impact on the rest of the app  than if you have 500
concurrent user sessions.But even then, whether that degrades the
performance of the application or not depends on other factors as
well,   for example how much total RAM you have, and what else is
going on with that machine  - does it also run a mail server?
database server?  etc etc.

What I'm saying is,  you can worry and fret about all these issues,
but whether it's worth the time and trouble depends on a lot of
factors.   In a high-traffic site,  nearly all of it is worth it.  On
a small business, very low traffic site,  you can do almost anything
and it wont matter a damn to the overall performance of your server.

What counts in the end,  is getting the job done on time, and making
sure it works. Poor architecture might bring your server to its knees,
(in which case you better spend whatever time it takes to get all the
performance tweaks you can)  or it might not make any difference (in
which case, go ahead, launch the site cfcs in RAM or not and go to the
beach, happy in the knowledge you have produced another working site).

In my experience, there is no such thing as a perfect site.  You are
DEFINITELY going to launch a site with things that could be done
better.   Everyone does.   What you have to do is compromise between
the aims and goals of the site owner, the standards and specs of
perfect architecture,  and the time and money you have available to
spend on getting everything right.   Get it as right as you can,
working as well as you can,  then move on.

Don't worry about it.   That's not to say I advocate taking a shoddy
approach.  But sometimes getting ease of maintenance and speedy
development is worth it, even if it degrades performance of the site
slightly.

Cheers
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On 4/9/07, Jaime Metcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's looking pretty bleak - we can't store CFCs in session because they take
> too much memory, and we can't instantiate per request because it takes too
> much CPU.Thank heavens for procedural programming. ;)
>
> Seriously, though, I have high hopes of CF8 in this respect.  We have the
> language features for OO, but trying to think OO with one eye on the
> performance monitor is just a bit too schizoid for me.  Now it's up to Adobe
> to tune the app server.  Failing that, you can always write your model in
> Java.
>
> Jaime Metcher
>
> > -

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question about a book

2007-04-08 Thread JJ Cool
I'm thinking of purchasing the book "Software Engineering for Internet 
Applications" by Eve Andersson (Author), Philip Greenspun (Author), Andrew 
Grumet (Author). Has anyone here read it and benefited from it?

CoolJJ

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RE: Using CFCs in session scope - need cflock help

2007-04-08 Thread Jaime Metcher
It's looking pretty bleak - we can't store CFCs in session because they take
too much memory, and we can't instantiate per request because it takes too
much CPU.Thank heavens for procedural programming. ;)

Seriously, though, I have high hopes of CF8 in this respect.  We have the
language features for OO, but trying to think OO with one eye on the
performance monitor is just a bit too schizoid for me.  Now it's up to Adobe
to tune the app server.  Failing that, you can always write your model in
Java.

Jaime Metcher

> -Original Message-
> From: Dawson, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2007 6:49 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Using CFCs in session scope - need cflock help
>
>
> Re-instantiating an object, on each request, can be processor-intensive.
>
> I have used session-based CFCs for a couple of years and have had no
> problems.  I have the data and the methods all in a nice, neat package.
>
> M!ke
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 2:15 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Using CFCs in session scope - need cflock help
>
> Well, it's doesn't make any programmatic sense for a start.  They are
> static providing a common layer of functionality, to put them into a
> scope other than application or server (to a degree) just doesn't make
> any sense.
>
> They can be very memory intensive so giving each "user" their own
> session CFC which is identical to ever other users doesn't make any
> sense as it would be needless consumption of memory space.
>
> You also cannot use replication with them in session scope (this may
> have been fixed in CF7/JRun updater, I know it was true before)
>
> 

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RE: cfcontent excel session and url variables

2007-04-08 Thread Jaime Metcher
Also check your exception log.  Even if an error does make it to the browser
it should be logged there.

Jaime Metcher

> -Original Message-
> From: Kris Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2007 6:58 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: cfcontent excel session and url variables
>
>
> Hi William,
>
> We also use this method for handling excel formatting of reports,
> although we use the form scope, not the URL. We have also seen the
> "could not open " error. After much investigation, we found that
> this error was due to a CF error that would naturally not propagate
> through to excel. The way we fixed it was to run the report with the
> cfcontent/cfheader commented out, and see the actual CF error, fix it,
> uncomment the cfcontent/cfheader and run it again. In every case, we
> were able to fix the problem. Usually it was a reference to an
> undefined variable causing the problem.
>
> Also, you should probably wrap your URL variables in a
> urlencodedformat() for good measure (we also encrypt ours, but
> depending on your requirements that may not be necessary).
>
> Cheers,
> Kris
>
> > A question relating to cfcontent and session variables, with a
> hint of URL variables.
> >
> > We are migrating from a relatively open system to one that has
> a login and session management.  We have stumbled across
> something that seems to be behaving oddly, though I don't know
> why.  We have a coldfusion page that will generate a report as
> HTML.  If the user selects a button to save it to excel, it runs
> the same page, but inserts the
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > at the top.  The only other difference, is the variables to
> generate are passed through as URL variables.  Before adding the
> session, they worked fine. Now though, and it is not all
> situations, it almost seems like IE or Excel are trying to open a
> new instance of IE outside of the session in an attempt to
> download the file.  As I said though, it is not all.  This link...
> >
> > reportactionoutput.cfm?DATEPARAMS=Dec 09,
> 2005&DATEPARAMSLENGTH=1&reportlevel=National&reporttype=ABC&report
> param=465&saveToFile=yes
> >
> > does not work, with excel popping up an error message saying
> "Cold not open
"http://mysite/reportactionoutput.cfm?DATEPARAMS=Dec 09,
2005&DATEPARAMSLENGTH=1&reportlevel=National&reporttype=ABC&reportparam=465&
saveToFile=yes"
>
> Now, if I run a slightly different report type, the exact same url with
maybe another parameter like this
> reportactionoutput.cfm?DATEPARAMS=Dec 09,
2005&DATEPARAMSLENGTH=1&reportlevel=National&focusstate=CA&reporttype=ABC&re
portparam=465&saveToFile=yes
>
> It opens fine, no issues.  The only thing I found that may fix the problem
is changing the spaces in the url variable to %20  This falls into different
reports doing different things, not common code so there is a lot of places
to change it, with no full assurance that this will fix the issue.
>
> Anyone run into anything similar?
>
> Thanx!
>
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Re: Hostmysite down...

2007-04-08 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>I suspect that shared hosting may not be a significant source of CF sales
>revenue. In my experience, which doesn't involve shared hosting at all, CF 7
>has been much more reliable than CF 6.

The fact that it may not be a significant source of income is a poor reason to 
ignore that segment. I'm sure a lot of developers would not pick up ColdFusion 
at all were there not some good shared hosting options. If we lose those 
because CF can't play nicely in a shared environment, there may be an even 
greater shortage of developers than there already is. 

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-08 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
HTTP can carry any message that I can imagine, thus it can be the delivery 
mechanism for any language to express an RIA. The only argument that makes 
sense is that the _browser_ is an inefficient mechanism for delivering RIA as 
opposed to Flex.

Regarding Flex, I hate compiling things when building apps. I work 
incrementally and it drives me nuts.

- Original Message 
From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 9:57:18 AM
Subject: RE: A Question for Development:  Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

> I guess we'll disagree on this. The evolution of libraries 
> such as jQuery, Dojo & YUI! have made development using these 
> technologies far too easy and with the adoption rates 
> continuing to climb, I can't call them band-aids. Perhaps 
> thats what they were when people initially did remote 
> scripting before it was called Ajax but there's just too much 
> good technology out there now to call it a band-aid.

The fact that it's easy to do AJAX development is irrelevant. The fact is
that HTML and HTTP weren't designed to deliver applications, and no matter
how good your libraries are, they can't fix the limitations inherent in HTML
and HTTP. Let me know when you can do client push, or database concurrency
management, or anything else that you can take for granted in a traditional
client-server environment. And I'm not talking about hacks to simulate those
things - I already know those intimately - but the things themselves.

> I absolutely agree on this point. Having developed 
> enterprise-level client/server applications using 
> PowerBuilder for almost 8 years, I'm keenly aware of how much 
> more power a true client/server development tool can provide. 
> I also don't believe that the browser should be the platform 
> for a complete RIA solution nor do I believe that Ajax and 
> related technologies are the technologies to build those 
> types of applications. If you need to build a desktop 
> application, then use desktop development tools such as MS' 
> suite of .Net tools.

Why shouldn't we be able to have that sort of power with distributed
multiuser applications? There is no reason, other than inertia, why we
can't.

> Until broadband becomes more pervasive, I don't see how Flex, 
> OpenLazlo and related heavy RIA technologies, can fill the 
> need.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying you shouldn't use
AJAX, or HTML, or anything else. I'm not saying that you should immediately
rewrite everything in Flex. What I am saying, is that HTML is a
fundamentally flawed delivery mechanism for applications, and that
ultimately we should be looking for a replacement (perhaps Flex) rather than
an incremental improvement (AJAX).

That said, Flex applications can perform reasonably well even with
relatively slow connections. I should know, since I often use a slow
connection (my cell phone as a modem) for all sorts of things. 1xRTT is a
little faster than dialup, not much.

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-08 Thread Rey Bango
> Why shouldn't we be able to have that sort of power with distributed
> multiuser applications? There is no reason, other than inertia, why we
> can't.

Who says we don't? The apps that I built back in the early 90's worked 
quite well across the Enterprise even before the Internet became 
pervasive and leased lines were the main method of connecting between 
two points. .Net continues to fill that need quite well. I guess I would 
want a real business case for using something like Flex over .Net for a 
desktop application. I'm really willing to understand and I know you're 
one of the best out there so give me some details.

> I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying you shouldn't use
> AJAX, or HTML, or anything else. I'm not saying that you should immediately
> rewrite everything in Flex. What I am saying, is that HTML is a
> fundamentally flawed delivery mechanism for applications, and that
> ultimately we should be looking for a replacement (perhaps Flex) rather than
> an incremental improvement (AJAX).

Gotcha. I think understand what you're saying now and I think that's 
basically what I said when I stated "nor do I believe that Ajax and
related technologies are the technologies to build those types of
applications". I see the slew of JS libraries as offering a nice suite 
of tools to progressively enhance web applications and I think a lot of 
them do provide for some fairly good desktop-like experiences but I 
don't see them as a replacement for desktop apps. When I develop using 
JS/DOM/Ajax etc, I don't go in trying to build a desktop app. I go in 
trying to enhance the user's web experience which I think these tools 
are really good for.

> That said, Flex applications can perform reasonably well even with
> relatively slow connections. I should know, since I often use a slow
> connection (my cell phone as a modem) for all sorts of things. 1xRTT is a
> little faster than dialup, not much.

Send me a link to one of your Flex apps and I'll try it out via a cell 
phone and a dialup connection. I really would like to see the performance.

Depending on what I see, that may actually help me believe more in a 
technology like Flex than hearing that http & html are flawed delivery 
mechanisms. As you suggested, they weren't designed to build the next 
generation RIAs but they are serving that purpose at the moment and in 
many cases, quite successfully. But if Flex or OpenLazlo can better 
handle those needs while not forcing sites to shun 20% of online users, 
then I can see the value.

Rey...

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Re: Building a Web Proxy with Authentication

2007-04-08 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> I could be forgetting but I believe that using basic authentication isn't a 
> great
> option in general. If you're site is not running SSL I think password and
> usernames are sent as clear text.

Mine is not to question why or how things are working, only to build a
mechanism that unifes their logins.

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Re: Building a Web Proxy with Authentication

2007-04-08 Thread Dana Kowalski
I could be forgetting but I believe that using basic authentication isn't a 
great option in general. If you're site is not running SSL I think password and 
usernames are sent as clear text.

I can tell you on several security checklists I've had to read in my day 
they've all required the disabling of basic authentication for a different 
approach. :)

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Re: Session timeout problems

2007-04-08 Thread Dana Kowalski
not discounting those things but I see the exact same functionality, as do a 
few others, without frames and Ajax =\

We actually do have support with CF 7.x and I should put in a call on this soon 
myself. If I find anything I'll let you guys know.

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Re: Building a Web Proxy with Authentication

2007-04-08 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On 4/8/07, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We're trying to integrate utilities like Sharepoint, which
> > ties in to the domain for authentication but pops up the
> > "Username and Password" prompt. That's what I'm defining
> > as "Windows Like".
>
> IIS can authenticate users against the domain using Basic authentication,
> NTLM, and Digest authentication. Which are you using?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say basic authentication... I've
done a bit more reading and I make that assumption based on the fact
that all I am challenged for is a username and password.  While these
are pulled from the Active Directory server it appears that they are
copies.

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7.01 updater and vista?

2007-04-08 Thread Will Tomlinson
I have CF running on my new vista machine. 

Just dloaded and trying to install updater 7.01 so I can install 7.02, and the 
installer appears to hang up and go no nowhere. 

Anyone else with Vista and these issues? 

BTW, I don't know what all the hoopla was surrounding vista. It seems to 
operate just like XP pro. 

I get the same "program not responding/send error report?" messages as I got 
with XP pro. lol!

Thanks,
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RE: Building a Web Proxy with Authentication

2007-04-08 Thread Dave Watts
> We're trying to integrate utilities like Sharepoint, which 
> ties in to the domain for authentication but pops up the 
> "Username and Password" prompt. That's what I'm defining 
> as "Windows Like".

IIS can authenticate users against the domain using Basic authentication,
NTLM, and Digest authentication. Which are you using?

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Re: Building a Web Proxy with Authentication

2007-04-08 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> There's a big difference between Windows authentication and "Windows-like"
> authentication - I'm not even sure what you mean by that.
>
> Windows authentication typically doesn't use a password - the password
> itself is hashed by the client, and the hash is sent to the server for
> comparison. IIS might be using Windows authentication, or it might be using
> Basic or Digest authentication.

We're trying to integrate utilities like Sharepoint, which ties in to
the domain for authentication but pops up the "Username and Password"
prompt.  That's what I'm defining as "Windows Like".

I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't something already built out
there that I can use to tie in this functionality.

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Re: cfx tags

2007-04-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Russ Michaels wrote:
> I am having a problem on a CFMx7.0.2 server where JAVA CFX tags do not work.

> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/allaire/cfx/CustomTag
>   at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass0(Native Method)

Is WEB-INF\lib\cfx.jar on the classpath?

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RE: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-08 Thread Dave Watts
> I guess we'll disagree on this. The evolution of libraries 
> such as jQuery, Dojo & YUI! have made development using these 
> technologies far too easy and with the adoption rates 
> continuing to climb, I can't call them band-aids. Perhaps 
> thats what they were when people initially did remote 
> scripting before it was called Ajax but there's just too much 
> good technology out there now to call it a band-aid.

The fact that it's easy to do AJAX development is irrelevant. The fact is
that HTML and HTTP weren't designed to deliver applications, and no matter
how good your libraries are, they can't fix the limitations inherent in HTML
and HTTP. Let me know when you can do client push, or database concurrency
management, or anything else that you can take for granted in a traditional
client-server environment. And I'm not talking about hacks to simulate those
things - I already know those intimately - but the things themselves.

> I absolutely agree on this point. Having developed 
> enterprise-level client/server applications using 
> PowerBuilder for almost 8 years, I'm keenly aware of how much 
> more power a true client/server development tool can provide. 
> I also don't believe that the browser should be the platform 
> for a complete RIA solution nor do I believe that Ajax and 
> related technologies are the technologies to build those 
> types of applications. If you need to build a desktop 
> application, then use desktop development tools such as MS' 
> suite of .Net tools.

Why shouldn't we be able to have that sort of power with distributed
multiuser applications? There is no reason, other than inertia, why we
can't.

> Until broadband becomes more pervasive, I don't see how Flex, 
> OpenLazlo and related heavy RIA technologies, can fill the 
> need.

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not saying you shouldn't use
AJAX, or HTML, or anything else. I'm not saying that you should immediately
rewrite everything in Flex. What I am saying, is that HTML is a
fundamentally flawed delivery mechanism for applications, and that
ultimately we should be looking for a replacement (perhaps Flex) rather than
an incremental improvement (AJAX).

That said, Flex applications can perform reasonably well even with
relatively slow connections. I should know, since I often use a slow
connection (my cell phone as a modem) for all sorts of things. 1xRTT is a
little faster than dialup, not much.

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Re: MS Access Primary Key

2007-04-08 Thread Claude Schneegans
 >>I was agreeing with you - you CAN'T directly get schema metadata 
through SQL.

Oops, sorry, I read too fast ;-/

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-08 Thread James Holmes
Or Apollo. That's the whole point of it; freeing internet technologies
from the restrictions of the browser.

On 4/8/07, Rey Bango <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If you need to build a desktop application, then use
> desktop development tools such as MS' suite of .Net tools.
>
> I'm still not convinced that even Flex can compare to a true desktop
> development tool but I'll reserve my opinion until I've had some time to
> develop in it. From what I've seen to date though, I'm not sold.

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Re: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-08 Thread Rey Bango
Hi Dave,

> Flex applications can work pretty well without any more bandwidth than a
> typical web application. The big limitation is the requirement of Flash
> Player 9, and related to that the inability to run Flex applications without
> a standard desktop computer.

I'll try that out with ScrapBlog and see how it performs. I'm really 
interested in seeing how it does as that would help me form a better 
opinion.

> I've worked extensively with those same technologies before anyone came up
> with names like "AJAX" and "Web 2.0", and they are exactly that - band-aids.

I guess we'll disagree on this. The evolution of libraries such as 
jQuery, Dojo & YUI! have made development using these technologies far 
too easy and with the adoption rates continuing to climb, I can't call 
them band-aids. Perhaps thats what they were when people initially did 
remote scripting before it was called Ajax but there's just too much 
good technology out there now to call it a band-aid.

> Of course, HTML still rules supreme for web application development, but
> that's not because it's a great fit for applications, it's because everyone
> has a browser. After about thirteen years, HTML applications are almost -
> but not quite - reaching the level of functionality of client-server
> applications built in Visual Basic 3! But, believe it or not, they still
> have a long way to go before they get there. Maybe in another few years,
> we'll be able to do the same stuff in HTML that we could in a typical
> desktop application in 1993.

I absolutely agree on this point. Having developed enterprise-level 
client/server applications using PowerBuilder for almost 8 years, I'm 
keenly aware of how much more power a true client/server development 
tool can provide. I also don't believe that the browser should be the 
platform for a complete RIA solution nor do I believe that Ajax and 
related technologies are the technologies to build those types of 
applications. If you need to build a desktop application, then use 
desktop development tools such as MS' suite of .Net tools.

I'm still not convinced that even Flex can compare to a true desktop 
development tool but I'll reserve my opinion until I've had some time to 
develop in it. From what I've seen to date though, I'm not sold.

> HTML and HTTP were not designed for applications. Making applications work
> in the HTML/HTTP model means throwing away lots of functionality that is
> taken for granted in other environments. Attempts to redress that, like
> XmlHTTPRequest (and hidden frames, gif pipes, etc) are, for all intents and
> purposes, band-aids. 

Again, we'll disagree. Read my first paragraph.

> I'm not saying you shouldn't use them - HTML and HTTP
> are the current standards for application delivery, and anything you can do
> to improve that medium is a good idea. But it still sucks, comparatively
> speaking, and we should all hope to see something fundamentally better in
> the future. There's no reason why Flex can't be that fundamentally better
> thing.

Until broadband becomes more pervasive, I don't see how Flex, OpenLazlo 
and related heavy RIA technologies, can fill the need. The US lags 
tremendously in overall broadband penetration and thats a serious 
consideration. Here's an article I picked up earlier this year:

http://www.informationweek.com/shared/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=197006038

Its not to say that these tools don't offer a tremendous rich suite of 
functionality. I'm just not convinced that at this stage that these 
tools are the right tools for building sites to cater to a 
consumer-driven Internet. Stats show that 80% of active US users use 
broadband and thats a very good thing. But I have customers that cannot 
afford to bypass that other 20% and as a developer, I'm not inclined to 
prevent my customers from reaching that 20%. Again, this is case-by-case 
and there may be times when a client doesn't care about those 20% but 
I've yet to run into that.

Rey...








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RE: A Question for Development: Ajax Now or Ajax Later?

2007-04-08 Thread Dave Watts
> I think Flex is a better solution for developing desktop-like 
> applications that have a requirement of broadband service or 
> will be focused on internal networks (similar to 
> client/server apps). For a typical consumer-oriented website 
> where you need to accommodate for a variety of connection 
> types and bandwidth requirements, Ajax is better suited and 
> provides excellent features for providing desktop-like 
> functionality.

Flex applications can work pretty well without any more bandwidth than a
typical web application. The big limitation is the requirement of Flash
Player 9, and related to that the inability to run Flex applications without
a standard desktop computer.

> Having worked extensively with the technologies used in 
> building Web 2.0-style applications, I can tell you that 
> they're far from band-aids and that HTML still rules supreme 
> for web application development.

I've worked extensively with those same technologies before anyone came up
with names like "AJAX" and "Web 2.0", and they are exactly that - band-aids.
Of course, HTML still rules supreme for web application development, but
that's not because it's a great fit for applications, it's because everyone
has a browser. After about thirteen years, HTML applications are almost -
but not quite - reaching the level of functionality of client-server
applications built in Visual Basic 3! But, believe it or not, they still
have a long way to go before they get there. Maybe in another few years,
we'll be able to do the same stuff in HTML that we could in a typical
desktop application in 1993.

HTML and HTTP were not designed for applications. Making applications work
in the HTML/HTTP model means throwing away lots of functionality that is
taken for granted in other environments. Attempts to redress that, like
XmlHTTPRequest (and hidden frames, gif pipes, etc) are, for all intents and
purposes, band-aids. I'm not saying you shouldn't use them - HTML and HTTP
are the current standards for application delivery, and anything you can do
to improve that medium is a good idea. But it still sucks, comparatively
speaking, and we should all hope to see something fundamentally better in
the future. There's no reason why Flex can't be that fundamentally better
thing.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
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Re: cfx tags

2007-04-08 Thread Russ Michaels
I am having a problem on a CFMx7.0.2 server where JAVA CFX tags do not work. I 
have registered the tags in the cfadmin as I normally would (yes the tag name 
and the class is correct), and they are in a folder which is mapped in the jvm 
class path {application.home}/../cfx) Whenever any CFX tag is called it results 
in a blank page. 
I have also tried explicitly adding the path to jar file in the class path in 
all the various ways possible, using {application.home]/../cfx/tag.jar syntax, 
using c:\\cfusionmx7\cfx\tag.jar syntax.

I am currently testing with cfx_captcha as I have that working on another 
(CFMX6) server.

this is what appears in my coldfusion-event.log 

java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: com/allaire/cfx/CustomTag
at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass0(Native Method)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:539)
at 
java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:123)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:251)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:55)
at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:194)
at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:187)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:289)
at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:274)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:282)
at jrunx.util.JRunURLClassLoader.loadClass(JRunURLClassLoader.java:77)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:282)
at jrunx.util.JRunURLClassLoader.loadClass(JRunURLClassLoader.java:77)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:282)
at jrunx.util.JRunURLClassLoader.loadClass(JRunURLClassLoader.java:77)
at jrunx.util.JRunURLClassLoader.loadClass(JRunURLClassLoader.java:69)
at 
coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapClassLoader.loadClass(BootstrapClassLoader.java:220)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:235)
at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(ClassLoader.java:302)
at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method)
at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:219)
at coldfusion.tagext.CfxTag.doStartTag(CfxTag.java:88)
at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage._emptyTag(CfJspPage.java:1915)
at 
cfcaptchaThis2ecfm635079215.runPage(D:\wwwroot\gillhams.com\wwwroot\testCaptcha\captchaThis.cfm:23)
at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage.invoke(CfJspPage.java:152)
at coldfusion.tagext.lang.IncludeTag.doStartTag(IncludeTag.java:349)
at coldfusion.filter.CfincludeFilter.invoke(CfincludeFilter.java:65)
at 
coldfusion.filter.ApplicationFilter.invoke(ApplicationFilter.java:225)
at 
coldfusion.filter.RequestMonitorFilter.invoke(RequestMonitorFilter.java:51)
at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(PathFilter.java:86)
at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(ExceptionFilter.java:69)
at 
coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(ClientScopePersistenceFilter.java:28)
at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(BrowserFilter.java:38)
at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:38)
at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22)
at 
coldfusion.filter.RequestThrottleFilter.invoke(RequestThrottleFilter.java:115)
at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:107)
at 
coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet.service(BootstrapServlet.java:78)
at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:86)
at com.intergral.fusionreactor.filter.FusionReactorFilter.B(Unknown 
Source)
at com.intergral.fusionreactor.filter.FusionReactorFilter.A(Unknown 
Source)
at 
com.intergral.fusionreactor.filter.FusionReactorFilter.doFilter(Unknown Source)
at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:94)
at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.service(FilterChain.java:101)
at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:91)
at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42)
at 
jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:257)
at 
jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:541)
at 
jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:204)
at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:318)
at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$ThreadThrottle.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:426)
at 
jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$UpstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:264)
at jrunx.scheduler.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:66)

--
Russ

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