Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Dave Watts

> > Common sense would dictate that you just maybe want to get this info
> > from a system that actually runs in the os and not a client-side
> > solution.
> >
> > Ok so what runs on pretty much every OS and integrates with
> > coldfusion?
> >
> > Well hopefully even you can figure it out but here is the variables
> > you'd used:
> >
> > os.name        The name of OS name
> > os.arch                The OS architecture
> > os.version     The version of OS
>
> You are a disgusting and despicable being and your rigidness is beyond words.
>
> The question was to detect a user's OS and its CPU architecture not the 
> server's.  Do you know how my app is run???  Got it
> now?  f off!  Told you a 100 times! f off! I'll hunt you down one day, you 
> fker!

I think that this exchange is unfortunate, and inappropriate, for a
number of reasons.

First, because it's a technically correct response. Java will let you
get these values. Really, your only two viable solutions are Java and
ActiveX, I think, although you might be able to get this info through
the Silverlight runtime too. I'm pretty sure you can't get it from
Flash/Flex, though.

Second, because when you post a question to a mailing list, you should
have an expectation that some answers will be unhelpful to you, or
even dismissive of your problem. This is just the nature of mailing
lists. This list is much less bad than others in that regard, but not
entirely.

Finally, you may notice that you tend to get this sort of reaction
while other people generally don't. I can't state with certainty why
this is, but it does seem to me that you tend to ask quite a few vague
and fairly off-topic questions that could often be answered by a quick
Google search. Personally, I don't have a problem with that, but you
should expect that others might. You might be able to avoid this
perception by providing more detail in your questions, or by doing a
bit of research before posting them.

By telling you this, I'm not trying to discourage your participation
on the list. But I would ask that you not respond to people in this
way. It's inappropriate and unhelpful (to you, as well as everyone
else). Just ignore responses if they bother you.

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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Dave Watts

> Well, windows only runs on Intel, and it states 32/64 bit in the user
> agent.  Linux usually has an architecture in the user agent.  OSX is a
> wildcard, but universal binaries make it no big deal if it's PPC or
> Intel.

Keep in mind that this might not be entirely reliable anyway. For
example, my 32-bit Firefox install doesn't report that I'm running a
64-bit version of Windows.

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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Dave Watts

> Preferably do it with javascript.
> Did a bit of digging myself, neither navigator.userAgent nor 
> navigator.appVersion command would suffice for the CPU part.  Hmm,
> is javascript simply unable to or I simply don't know better?

JavaScript is unable to access this sort of information. If you need
this sort of information from the client, you'll need Java or ActiveX.
Here's a good example of a site that does this:
http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/referrer/srtest

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? That is, what are you going
to do with CPU information once you have it?

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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Matt Quackenbush

Heh.  Offline.  Online.  Meh.  No worries.  :-)

Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but I would argue that
those very same search engines that index a few posts here and there of this
sort are also indexing hundreds of thousands of the normal, average, every
day post.  Therefore, it is difficult for me to imagine any rational person
coming to any other conclusion. So the question I ask myself is: do I really
give a rat's about irrational people?  ;-)

My main point is simply that there are hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds
of thousands of posts that show quite clearly that the "CF help community"
is one of the most helpful of all the languages out there.  Given that fact,
if we have to worry about a thread and/or post here and there getting
indexed, we are in deep, deep dodo.

To put it another way, I think that such posts reflect very negatively upon
the poster, not the community.  *Every* community - programming or otherwise
- has these sort of people in it.  Sad, but true.  ;-)


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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Francois Levesque

Obviously by offline I meant ONline, it must be the time of day (or night,
whatever)
Francois Levesque
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On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:30 PM, Francois Levesque wrote:

> The problem with that reasoning is that this list is also available offline
> and is indexed by search engines. Most people won't know the rest of the
> story and could interpret it "as the norm".
> Francois Levesque
> http://blog.critical-web.com/
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Matt Quackenbush 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I know I shouldn't, but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with G!
>> on this one.  :D
>>
>> If "this sort of behavior" were the norm, then I could and would fully
>> agree.  But we're talking about one particular poster who just happens to
>> do
>> it on every list he's on.  I see it as a source of entertainment for those
>> who are still in possession of at least half their faculties.  :D
>>
>>
>> 

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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Francois Levesque

The problem with that reasoning is that this list is also available offline
and is indexed by search engines. Most people won't know the rest of the
story and could interpret it "as the norm".
Francois Levesque
http://blog.critical-web.com/


On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Matt Quackenbush wrote:

>
> I know I shouldn't, but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with G!
> on this one.  :D
>
> If "this sort of behavior" were the norm, then I could and would fully
> agree.  But we're talking about one particular poster who just happens to
> do
> it on every list he's on.  I see it as a source of entertainment for those
> who are still in possession of at least half their faculties.  :D
>
>
> 

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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Matt Quackenbush

I know I shouldn't, but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with G!
on this one.  :D

If "this sort of behavior" were the norm, then I could and would fully
agree.  But we're talking about one particular poster who just happens to do
it on every list he's on.  I see it as a source of entertainment for those
who are still in possession of at least half their faculties.  :D


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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Gerald Guido

>>This has gone on for far too long. This kind of behavior / language is
completely inappropriate.

+1

Enough is enough already. This is the public face of the CF support
community. This sort of behavior does nothing to foster the growth of CF,
the CF community, nor does it help with stifling CF's detractors.

If you cannot be professional, or at the bare minimum civil, please take
your fight off list.

Sick up and fed,
G!


On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Francois Levesque wrote:

>
> This has gone on for far too long. This kind of behavior / language is
> completely inappropriate. People come to this list to learn CF and ask
> for help, not to be witnesses to this school-yard level of bickering
> and insulting. If you have nothing good to say in response to
> someone's post, please do everyone a favor and keep it to yourself. If
> you feel like you need to insult someone for whatever reason (valid or
> not) then please do so off-list.
>
> Let's try to at least keep this pg-13, can we?
>
> Francois Lévesque on the road
>
> On 2009-09-26, at 19:29, Don L  wrote:
>
> >
> > You are a disgusting and despicable being and your rigidness is
> > beyond words.
> >
> > The question was to detect a user's OS and its CPU architecture not
> > the server's.  Do you know how my app is run???  Got it now?  f
> > off!  Told you a 100 times! f off! I'll hunt you down one day, you
> > fker!
> >
> >> Common sense would dictate that you just maybe want to get this info
> >> from a system that actually runs in the os and not a client-side
> >> solution.
> >>
> >> Ok so what runs on pretty much every OS and integrates with
> >> coldfusion?
> >>
> >> Well hopefully even you can figure it out but here is the variables
> >> you'd used:
> >>
> >> os.name The name of OS name
> >> os.arch The OS architecture
> >> os.version The version of OS
> >
> >
> >
>
> 

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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Claude Schneegans

 >>The question was to detect a user's OS and its CPU architecture

I don't know about your CPU architecture, but I'm pretty sure about what 
you smoke ;-)

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CFBuilder not stopping at breakpoints.

2009-09-26 Thread Mallory Woods

Hello all,

I have been wrestling with CFBuilder and trying to get debugging setup.

A few facts:

Setup locally using WAMP (Apache) CF8 on a windows laptop.

CF is working fine along with everything else.
I have CFBuilder setup with a project and when I set a break point and try
to debug the code it doesn't stop at the break point.

I do have debugging set on the server and I have restarted it.

Can anyone point me in the right direction please?

Thanks!


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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Francois Levesque

This has gone on for far too long. This kind of behavior / language is
completely inappropriate. People come to this list to learn CF and ask
for help, not to be witnesses to this school-yard level of bickering
and insulting. If you have nothing good to say in response to
someone's post, please do everyone a favor and keep it to yourself. If
you feel like you need to insult someone for whatever reason (valid or
not) then please do so off-list.

Let's try to at least keep this pg-13, can we?

Francois Lévesque on the road

On 2009-09-26, at 19:29, Don L  wrote:

>
> You are a disgusting and despicable being and your rigidness is
> beyond words.
>
> The question was to detect a user's OS and its CPU architecture not
> the server's.  Do you know how my app is run???  Got it now?  f
> off!  Told you a 100 times! f off! I'll hunt you down one day, you
> fker!
>
>> Common sense would dictate that you just maybe want to get this info
>> from a system that actually runs in the os and not a client-side
>> solution.
>>
>> Ok so what runs on pretty much every OS and integrates with
>> coldfusion?
>>
>> Well hopefully even you can figure it out but here is the variables
>> you'd used:
>>
>> os.name The name of OS name
>> os.arch The OS architecture
>> os.version The version of OS
>
>
> 

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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Charlie Griefer

Actually I've heard he's quite flexible.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Don L  wrote:

>
> You are a disgusting and despicable being and your rigidness is beyond
> words.
>
> The question was to detect a user's OS and its CPU architecture not the
> server's.  Do you know how my app is run???  Got it now?  f off!  Told you a
> 100 times! f off! I'll hunt you down one day, you fker!
>
> > Common sense would dictate that you just maybe want to get this info
> > from a system that actually runs in the os and not a client-side
> > solution.
> >
> > Ok so what runs on pretty much every OS and integrates with
> > coldfusion?
> >
> > Well hopefully even you can figure it out but here is the variables
> > you'd used:
> >
> > os.nameThe name of OS name
> > os.archThe OS architecture
> > os.version The version of OS
>
>
> 

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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Don L

You are a disgusting and despicable being and your rigidness is beyond words.

The question was to detect a user's OS and its CPU architecture not the 
server's.  Do you know how my app is run???  Got it now?  f off!  Told you a 
100 times! f off! I'll hunt you down one day, you fker!

> Common sense would dictate that you just maybe want to get this info 
> from a system that actually runs in the os and not a client-side 
> solution.
> 
> Ok so what runs on pretty much every OS and integrates with 
> coldfusion?
> 
> Well hopefully even you can figure it out but here is the variables 
> you'd used:
> 
> os.nameThe name of OS name
> os.archThe OS architecture
> os.version The version of OS


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Re: methods other than GET or POST

2009-09-26 Thread Judah McAuley

On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Dave Watts  wrote:
> All that said, sometimes oversimplification is a good idea. Claude is
> using IIS, so I didn't figure it was worth going into all this in
> detail.

Sure, I just am a fan of Services Oriented Architecture models for
development and like the simplicity of RESTful web services versus,
say, SOAP when I can. So I try and remind CF folks (that don't seem to
use REST-based design as much as some other languages) that people
might be using other HTTP verbs in their applications for good
reasons. I know that I was a professional web developer for years
before I even knew there were "verbs" and that there were things other
than GET and POST.

Cheers,
Judah

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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Dave l

Common sense would dictate that you just maybe want to get this info from a 
system that actually runs in the os and not a client-side solution.

Ok so what runs on pretty much every OS and integrates with coldfusion?

Well hopefully even you can figure it out but here is the variables you'd used:

os.name  The name of OS name
os.arch  The OS architecture
os.version   The version of OS


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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Barney Boisvert

Windows only runs on Intel, and I says windows right in the UA  
string.  What else do you need?

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On Sep 26, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Don L  wrote:

>
> Barney, thank you for your input.
>
> I ran CGI.HTTP_USER_AGENT (cf) for it.
> Here's what I got.
>
> With Firefox 3.5 I get:
> Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/ 
> 20090824 Firefox/3.5.3 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)
>
> With IE7 I get:
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727 
> ; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30618)
>
> hmm, I can't seem to see anything that could be translated into cpu  
> arch.  What else could we try?
>
>
>
>
>> Well, windows only runs on Intel, and it states 32/64 bit in the user
>> agent.  Linux usually has an architecture in the user agent.  OSX  
>> is a
>> wildcard, but universal binaries make it no big deal if it's PPC or
>> Intel.
>>
>> But to answer your question, JS is unable to determine it, and more  
>> to
>> the point, unable to do anything architecture-specific anyway.
>>
>> cheers,
>> barneyb
>>
>> --
>> Barney Boisvert
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>> http://www.barneyb.com/
>>
>> On Sep 25, 2009, at 6:37 PM, D
>>
>>>
>
> 

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Re: (ot) Detect OS and CPU Architecture

2009-09-26 Thread Don L

Barney, thank you for your input.

I ran CGI.HTTP_USER_AGENT (cf) for it.
Here's what I got.

With Firefox 3.5 I get:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090824 
Firefox/3.5.3 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729) 

With IE7 I get:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; 
Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30618) 

hmm, I can't seem to see anything that could be translated into cpu arch.  What 
else could we try?




>Well, windows only runs on Intel, and it states 32/64 bit in the user  
>agent.  Linux usually has an architecture in the user agent.  OSX is a  
>wildcard, but universal binaries make it no big deal if it's PPC or  
>Intel.
>
>But to answer your question, JS is unable to determine it, and more to  
>the point, unable to do anything architecture-specific anyway.
>
>cheers,
>barneyb
>
>--
>Barney Boisvert
>bboisv...@gmail.com
>http://www.barneyb.com/
>
>On Sep 25, 2009, at 6:37 PM, D
>
>> 

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Re: cf 9 & memory

2009-09-26 Thread Dave Watts

> Does ColdFusion 9 use a lot of the Mac's memory?

It can. It's a server, and servers can use a lot of memory on any
platform. CF is limited by default to only using the memory that the
Java runtime can support, but that can be a significant amount.

> I need to design some 3D assets in illustrator (want to play with flash 
> catalyst), and the
> system is running so slow, but I do have JRun & CF 9 running always. I just 
> ask as at
> a friends house(no CF on the machine) the same tasks were done in seconds, 
> but here
> it is taking a very long time!

Unless you're actually using CF all the time, you might want to turn
it off when you're not using it.

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Re: methods other than GET or POST

2009-09-26 Thread Claude Schneegans

 >>Have you tested this?

Actually not really "tested", but at least "experimented".
Sometimes I get errors in my error log table caused by pages requested 
with OPTIONS or HEAD.
Apparently, the CF template is run just like the method was GET.
The error is actually caused by url parameters that would normally come 
with the request.
Ex : I have a template that returns some CSV list like
.../makelist.cfm?id=1
The template is called normally with method GET first, then when the 
client opens the file with Excel,
another request .../makelist.cfm with method OPTIONS is made by MS 
Office with no parameters
and causes the error.

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Re: methods other than GET or POST

2009-09-26 Thread Dave Watts

>> Yes, PUT and DELETE are both WebDAV commands, and they'll both run if
>> you've enabled WebDAV (the write access mentioned above) and the
>> user's permissions are appropriate.
>
> HTTP verbs like PUT and DELETE are used in RESTful applications as
> well. You often set up a URI for a piece of content and then
> differentiate actions based on HTTP verbs. GET to read it, POST to
> create a new item, PUT to update and DELETE to delete the item.

Yeah, it's an oversimplification on my part to define them as WebDAV
commands, that's just how they're treated by default on IIS, which has
WebDAV support built in. In actuality, PUT and DELETE don't specify
any particular action, but rely on the web or application server for
interpretation, so they can be used for all sorts of things.

All that said, sometimes oversimplification is a good idea. Claude is
using IIS, so I didn't figure it was worth going into all this in
detail.

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cf 9 & memory

2009-09-26 Thread John Barrett

Does ColdFusion 9 use a lot of the Mac's memory?
I need to design some 3D assets in illustrator (want to play with flash 
catalyst), and the system is running so slow, but I do have JRun & CF 9 running 
always. I just ask as at a friends house(no CF on the machine) the same tasks 
were done in seconds, but here it is taking a very long time!

Thanks,
John 

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Re: methods other than GET or POST

2009-09-26 Thread Claude Schneegans

 >>All that said, you should be able to do this from CF in
Application.cfc/cfm, which could be shared across multiple websites if
you choose to set it up that way. Just look at CGI.REQUEST_METHOD.

Yeah, this is the way I finally went.
Especially that I can use the same code to return errors to moron robots 
which GET
template normally only requested with POST method.
I return "405 : Method Not Allowed"

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