RE: why is cf_builder so expensive? (Revisited)
I have created a few video's to highlight some of these problems if anyone is interested. Also I did a video on another problem I had with migrating over to ColdFusion 9 as per a blog post I wrote. I did this video because I got a bit of flak on that post, because one person in particular commented and didn't fully understand the problem. So I will let the video's talk for themselves. Problem with projects mapped to a remote server http://vimeo.com/19342548 ColdFusion debugger Problems http://vimeo.com/19344071 http://vimeo.com/19344478 Problems with migrating over to ColdFusion 9 from ColdFusion 8 http://vimeo.com/19345476 Regards, Andrew Scott http://www.andyscott.id.au/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341700 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference? [spamtrap bayes][spamtrap heur]
On 1/29/2011 1:26 PM, denstar wrote: > Not /exactly/ infinitesimal, but it ain't no flood of newbs, neither. that sample size is more or less useless to base the rest of your arguments on. > I don't know how much that has to do with the entrance of the open > source engines as viable alternatives, but I feel it's factor. It was > for me, anecdotal-y. technically i'd think that would actually be a "flight of fancy" seeing it's based on a sample of one & taken as the sole factor in your shop staying w/cf. > I attribute some of that to CFers realizing the *awesome* power of > open source, but again, I think the engine alternatives have gone a > long way towards helping as well. pretty much all my i18n stuff has been OS long before either BD or railo, has nothing whatsoever to do w/either. so in your anecdote based way of thinking, you are proven wrong ;-) > CFML devs are no longer beholden to some commercial entity's > well-being, which adds a *huge* bit of stability to the language that > was just plain *not there* prior. seriously? > I don't know about "top". Unless the "target" is the existing > "static" community, which would seem a rather backwards plan, IMHO. adobe, like any product producer, has to maintain it's base customers. railo's not producing much (if any) new cf customers but is instead cannibalizing the existing market. it doesn't follow that adobe will be blowing sweet sweet kisses at railo. > It doesn't need to be contentious. Friendly competition is where it's at, yo. but you know that "friendly competition" is not true, even if you say don't care what railo's ultimate plan is. it doesn't seem "friendly" to me or will it seem very friendly to their existing customers if they do indeed succeed with their plan. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341699 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: ajax tutorials for form objects
+1 to Rick's +1 to Michael's suggestion. One of the great things about CF is the cfc's can automatically return arrays in JSON format that jQuery can consume. Like so: I can tell you first hand that formatting JSON by hand from a data structure like a query can be a total PITA. So in that respect, returnformat="JSON" is a Godsend for AJAX development. As far as Ajax tutes go, the documentation on the jQuery site for it's AJAX features is a great place to start http://api.jquery.com/category/ajax/ Also, the docs on CFSelect and cfinput that use the bind attribute is also a great place to start. http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/8/htmldocs/help.html?content=Tags_r-s_14.html CF takes a LOT of the grunt work out of working with AJAXish functionality. HTH, G! On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Rick Faircloth wrote: > > +1 > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:39 PM > To: cf-talk > Subject: Re: ajax tutorials for form objects > > > I generally prefer to use JQuery over CF's built in stuff. I find it to be > more steamlined. Plus I think you can probably find more tuts for the > JQuery > approach. > > This tut has a nice approach and actually explains ajax a bit. Might be a > good start: http://articles.sitepoint.com/article/ajax-jquery > Ofcourse the JQuery website has great api docs. > > > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Teed Younger > wrote: > > > > > Hi, once again seeking some advice/help with a project. Can anyone direct > > me to a good ajax tutorial that covers how to take form inputs/values and > > then display results using an click event. > > > > What I have is a form with only two inputs. The user types in numeric > > values in each form field, then several mathmatical calculations are > > performed and the results are shown. > > > > Anyway, still very new to ajax, and not even sure I can do this with just > a > > simple ajax script, but any nudges in the right direction would be > greatly > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341698 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
ColdFusion has been around for over 15 years and has survived two corporate takeovers. That is a remarkable accomplishment considering how many other products and technologies have not survived. ColdFusion must be doing something right. I usually mention this point when asked about the future of the platform. I also like to point to major recognizable high-traffic Web sites that use ColdFusion. Another impressive accomplishment is that HomeSite is still very popular, years after the product was pulled from the market and with three alternative products actively trying to siphon off its user base. Nick Bradbury did an amazing job with HomeSite. -Mike Chabot On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Scott Brady wrote: > > To be fair to Adobe, two of the products you mentioned they killed off were > a result of the Macromedia purchase which led to them having duplicate > products (Dreamweaver vs. GoLive, Freehand vs. Illustrator, Fireworks vs. > ImageReady, etc.), so it made sense from a business standpoint to kill one > off. And, to their benefit, they didn't just kill the Macromedia versions, > but seemed to keep the better (at least more successful) one. Of course, > Spectra just wasn't a successful product (and that was killed by Allaire, I > believe), so that just made good business sense. > > Scott ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341697 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know anything about this new ColdFusion conference?
> I look at is as more of a break dancing crew scenario: We battle each > other to push ourselves, so that we can go out there and form like > Voltron when battling the other "crews" (PHP, .NET, etc.). > > It doesn't need to be contentious. Friendly competition is where it's at, yo. This is not how Adobe sees things, I'm sure. You're either using their product, or you're not. If you stop using ColdFusion, no one at Adobe is going to get warm fuzzies by thinking, "well, at least they're still using CFML". Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsit ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341696 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
> So I'll say again that we must agree to disagree here sir. It's clear I'm > not swaying you in any way. And it seems clear you think I'm a fool. The > beauty of HOF is that's it's made of so many opinionated people. I don't think you're a fool, I just disagree with you on this specific issue. But no, you're not swaying me in any way here. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341695 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: ajax tutorials for form objects
+1 -Original Message- From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:39 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ajax tutorials for form objects I generally prefer to use JQuery over CF's built in stuff. I find it to be more steamlined. Plus I think you can probably find more tuts for the JQuery approach. This tut has a nice approach and actually explains ajax a bit. Might be a good start: http://articles.sitepoint.com/article/ajax-jquery Ofcourse the JQuery website has great api docs. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Teed Younger wrote: > > Hi, once again seeking some advice/help with a project. Can anyone direct > me to a good ajax tutorial that covers how to take form inputs/values and > then display results using an click event. > > What I have is a form with only two inputs. The user types in numeric > values in each form field, then several mathmatical calculations are > performed and the results are shown. > > Anyway, still very new to ajax, and not even sure I can do this with just a > simple ajax script, but any nudges in the right direction would be greatly > appreciated. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341694 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Yeah, it was Macromedia MD On 29 Jan 2011, at 14:59, Raymond Camden wrote: > > Spectra did sell well. I don't have the sales #s but it was a good > seller - especially in Europe I believe. Allaire did not cancel it - > Macromedia did. > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Scott Brady wrote: >> >> To be fair to Adobe, two of the products you mentioned they killed off were >> a result of the Macromedia purchase which led to them having duplicate >> products (Dreamweaver vs. GoLive, Freehand vs. Illustrator, Fireworks vs. >> ImageReady, etc.), so it made sense from a business standpoint to kill one >> off. And, to their benefit, they didn't just kill the Macromedia versions, >> but seemed to keep the better (at least more successful) one. Of course, >> Spectra just wasn't a successful product (and that was killed by Allaire, I >> believe), so that just made good business sense. > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341693 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Spectra did sell well. I don't have the sales #s but it was a good seller - especially in Europe I believe. Allaire did not cancel it - Macromedia did. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Scott Brady wrote: > > To be fair to Adobe, two of the products you mentioned they killed off were > a result of the Macromedia purchase which led to them having duplicate > products (Dreamweaver vs. GoLive, Freehand vs. Illustrator, Fireworks vs. > ImageReady, etc.), so it made sense from a business standpoint to kill one > off. And, to their benefit, they didn't just kill the Macromedia versions, > but seemed to keep the better (at least more successful) one. Of course, > Spectra just wasn't a successful product (and that was killed by Allaire, I > believe), so that just made good business sense. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341692 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
You should see me dance. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Jeffrey Battershall wrote: > > I, for one, would like to acknowledge you for the entertainment value you > bring to this list. Thank you. > > Jeff > > On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > > > > > > > > > "I know so much about marketing from my experience with small/midtier > > > companies in completely different lines of business that I can > > > accurately make a cost-benefit analysis without any background > > > information other than my own wild-ass guesses." > > > > > > > Well yours is certainly more jaded and much less tongue in cheek. > > > > Having an opinion about masking the use of PHP on CF related pages > doesn't > > equate to me feeling like I am a master at marketing. I'm not. (Though I > > wouldn't a client with yearly earnings of over 14.5B a "small/midtier > > business.") And marketing is marketing. Your tactics and strategy change > > from client to client but the principles of marketing do not. So the fact > > I've never done work for Adobe doesn't disqualify me from ideas that > might > > benefit them. One doesn't need to "know so much about marketing" or to do > a > > cost-benefit analysis to see the value of throwing a dev on a url rewrite > > project for a week. It seems you are trying to morph my point into an > > argument for spending millions rewriting apps in cf. And if that was my > > point I think you'd be right. > > > > So I'll say again that we must agree to disagree here sir. It's clear I'm > > not swaying you in any way. And it seems clear you think I'm a fool. The > > beauty of HOF is that's it's made of so many opinionated people. > > > > > > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341691 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
I, for one, would like to acknowledge you for the entertainment value you bring to this list. Thank you. Jeff On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > > > > > "I know so much about marketing from my experience with small/midtier > > companies in completely different lines of business that I can > > accurately make a cost-benefit analysis without any background > > information other than my own wild-ass guesses." > > > > Well yours is certainly more jaded and much less tongue in cheek. > > Having an opinion about masking the use of PHP on CF related pages doesn't > equate to me feeling like I am a master at marketing. I'm not. (Though I > wouldn't a client with yearly earnings of over 14.5B a "small/midtier > business.") And marketing is marketing. Your tactics and strategy change > from client to client but the principles of marketing do not. So the fact > I've never done work for Adobe doesn't disqualify me from ideas that might > benefit them. One doesn't need to "know so much about marketing" or to do a > cost-benefit analysis to see the value of throwing a dev on a url rewrite > project for a week. It seems you are trying to morph my point into an > argument for spending millions rewriting apps in cf. And if that was my > point I think you'd be right. > > So I'll say again that we must agree to disagree here sir. It's clear I'm > not swaying you in any way. And it seems clear you think I'm a fool. The > beauty of HOF is that's it's made of so many opinionated people. > > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341690 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
> > "I know so much about marketing from my experience with small/midtier > companies in completely different lines of business that I can > accurately make a cost-benefit analysis without any background > information other than my own wild-ass guesses." > Well yours is certainly more jaded and much less tongue in cheek. Having an opinion about masking the use of PHP on CF related pages doesn't equate to me feeling like I am a master at marketing. I'm not. (Though I wouldn't a client with yearly earnings of over 14.5B a "small/midtier business.") And marketing is marketing. Your tactics and strategy change from client to client but the principles of marketing do not. So the fact I've never done work for Adobe doesn't disqualify me from ideas that might benefit them. One doesn't need to "know so much about marketing" or to do a cost-benefit analysis to see the value of throwing a dev on a url rewrite project for a week. It seems you are trying to morph my point into an argument for spending millions rewriting apps in cf. And if that was my point I think you'd be right. So I'll say again that we must agree to disagree here sir. It's clear I'm not swaying you in any way. And it seems clear you think I'm a fool. The beauty of HOF is that's it's made of so many opinionated people. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341689 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Damn Den. I love reading your posts. Thanks for the morning giggle. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:03 AM, denstar wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > > > I can sleep, no worries mate. > > The strength of your opinion belies that statement. You know you lie > awake at night, tossing and turning over this in agony. Admit it. =) > ... > > I feel masking the use of php on any CF branded Adobe pages (NOT > "rewriting > > dozens of apps in CF") could probably be done for under 20k of internal > > resourcing. There's a number of ways to handle this either through code > or > > through the webserver. URL rewrite anyone? To me that's a worthwhile > > decision. You may not think so. And that's fine. I won't be recommending > you > > for a marketing manager any time soon. ;) > > Maybe they're short on webmasters. Or are worried about the search > ranking. :) > > I'll do the rewrites for a mere 10k! > > Hell, I'd do it for free, just to never see this raised as a topic > again. And to avoid that "ugh" feeling whenever I see .php at the end > of a CF-related page. > > No offense to PHP, which is a fine language- just less totes awesome than > CFML. > > ... > > > > "Well no one knows their business better than Adobe. They know what > they're > > doing much better than you. You are handsome Mr. Grant." > > > > You forgot modest. I always include that in my responses when > speaking of your handsomeness, just for completeness. > > :Den > > -- > Happiness: a good bank account, a good cook, and a good digestion. > Jean-Jacques Rousseau > > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341688 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
To be fair to Adobe, two of the products you mentioned they killed off were a result of the Macromedia purchase which led to them having duplicate products (Dreamweaver vs. GoLive, Freehand vs. Illustrator, Fireworks vs. ImageReady, etc.), so it made sense from a business standpoint to kill one off. And, to their benefit, they didn't just kill the Macromedia versions, but seemed to keep the better (at least more successful) one. Of course, Spectra just wasn't a successful product (and that was killed by Allaire, I believe), so that just made good business sense. Scott On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Mike Chabot wrote: > > I fully agree. The pace of change in Microsoft land is very stressful to > developers. They kill off and deprecate multiple technologies and product > features each year. Microsoft scrapping DTS sent many database developers > back into training classes. Adobe also has a history of killing off > products. GoLive, Freehand and Spectra come to mind. Granted, Adobe is > nowhere near as bad as Microsoft in this regard. > > -Mike Chabot > > -- - Scott Brady http://www.scottbrady.net/ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:341687 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
