Railo javaloader.Javaloader
Hi, does anyone know where the path is for the railo 4 javaloader.Javaloader? I'm trying to use it as follows: cfset Loader = CreateObject(component, javaloader.JavaLoader).init(paths, true) / ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357996 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Braintree gateway integration
Hi, have been trying to integrate Braintree with cfpayment with not much progress thus far. Does anyone have an example of how to process a payment without storing it in the Braintree vault as we keep custom info in the db, except for cc which clients fills in for every purchase. Thanks. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357997 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
or..use mod rewrite to change the .cfm extension to .php !! should confuse a lot of hackers and might even help the sales guys! Charlie Arehart has a relevant piece here: http://www.carehart.org/blog/client/index.cfm/2011/10/14/coldfusion_processing_html_or_other_file_extensions Andrew ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357998 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Primarily because it is tag based, so some people think it is not real code Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 18 Mar 2014 04:06, Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: their IT departments are flat out refusing CF technology. What is the deal with the bias and, at times, the flat out bigotry toward CF? Could someone explain this to me? I deal with this all the time. CF is a tool to get a job done. CF is one of the many tools in my tool belt so, to me, hating Cf is like hating hammers. It boggles my mind why is there such a severer bias against CF. Thoughts? Curious G! -- Gerald Guido Twitter https://twitter.com/CozmoTrouble Blarg http://www.myinternetisbroken.com Facebook https://www.facebook.com/gerald.guido.9 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:357999 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Yeah, because no PHP site has ever been hacked. Your clients would be much smarter to spend their money on a secure host than refactoring into a language that doesn't buy them one ounce more security. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: We're not releasing any more CF sites and are converting those site we can to PHP. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358000 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Ditto. I can code PHP fluently, but I charge twice as much as for CF coding and it takes twice as long. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, wrote: And I will add the PHP is the uglyest language I've ever seen in about a 40 years career. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358001 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
no come on guys be fair, he is just the developer and he has stated that he has no control over this. Most developers are in the same boat, the management have no interest in their advice or opinion, I have worked/contracted at many such places over the years and it is very frustrating to watch people make stupid decisions, but what can you do. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, because no PHP site has ever been hacked. Your clients would be much smarter to spend their money on a secure host than refactoring into a language that doesn't buy them one ounce more security. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: We're not releasing any more CF sites and are converting those site we can to PHP. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358002 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
The worst part of any Adobe software is the install process. Always has been. Not sure who determines how the installers work but would love to stake them out on an anthill. I've postponed new hardware purchases simply because I don't have time to reinstall all the Abode software I use for audio and video editing. And I had four page checklist for doing CF installs before moving all my sites to Railo. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: CF should install locked down out of the box, there really should be no need to follow a complex lockdown guide to make it secure. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Justin Scott leviat...@darktech.orgwrote: On another hand, why Adobe hasn't change the way CF is installed if its not safe? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358003 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Hating CF is like hating a hammer. Hating PHP is like hating a huge rock you are forced to use on the nails because the client won't let you use a hammer. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:09 PM, AJ Mercer ajmer...@gmail.com wrote: CFers are just as bad - take a look back on the PHP comments in this thread :-P ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358004 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
On 18 March 2014 10:05, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Hating CF is like hating a hammer. Hating PHP is like hating a huge rock you are forced to use on the nails because the client won't let you use a hammer. Fantastic. That's put a smile on my face today. Thanks. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358005 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
To be fair, I posted that before I saw his post about it not being his choice. My statement however, stands. ROI on a conversion from CF to PHP simply for security reasons trends to nil. The only good reason I've ever heard for the switch is the cost of CF server software, and now that Railo exists, even that is no longer valid. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: no come on guys be fair, he is just the developer and he has stated that he has no control over this. Most developers are in the same boat, the management have no interest in their advice or opinion, I have worked/contracted at many such places over the years and it is very frustrating to watch people make stupid decisions, but what can you do. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358006 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
You don't find the CC installer to be a heck of a lot simpler? Click the menu - click a product - download - and done. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:03 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: The worst part of any Adobe software is the install process. Always has been. Not sure who determines how the installers work but would love to stake them out on an anthill. I've postponed new hardware purchases simply because I don't have time to reinstall all the Abode software I use for audio and video editing. And I had four page checklist for doing CF installs before moving all my sites to Railo. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: CF should install locked down out of the box, there really should be no need to follow a complex lockdown guide to make it secure. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358007 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
I haven't found it to be simple or quick. But it's been a while since I did the last install. Perhaps they have improved it. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: You don't find the CC installer to be a heck of a lot simpler? Click the menu - click a product - download - and done. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358008 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
If you haven't done CC, then you haven't seen the latest installer. It is literally - click a button to see a list of stuff, click download, and done. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't found it to be simple or quick. But it's been a while since I did the last install. Perhaps they have improved it. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:38 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: You don't find the CC installer to be a heck of a lot simpler? Click the menu - click a product - download - and done. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358009 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
This is probably not the thread for this discussion but yes I have CC but I installed it when it was first released and have only done updates as notified since. It's been over a year, and what I was remember was a messy install that required me to install a tool to do the downloads, did not allow me to select where I wanted the software installed and the downloads took forever. So I'm not sure when the click and done process became available, but I haven't seen it. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: If you haven't done CC, then you haven't seen the latest installer. It is literally - click a button to see a list of stuff, click download, and done. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358010 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
If you haven't done CC, then you haven't seen the latest installer. It is literally - click a button to see a list of stuff, click download, and done. I just switched to CC last week, and Ray is absolutely right. I was kind of dreading the install, but it was very smooth. And it's easy to go back and install additional items later. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software 1-202-527-9569 http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358011 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Well I think if you say you want to stake the developers to the ant hill, then that is kind of bold, and I'm going to defend my coworkers. ;) Seriously - I'd consider trying it again. As for being able to select an install location, I'll give you that, but honestly, I can't remember the last time I didn't want an app in /Applications. A server - sure. But an app? Most folks don't need/care to move it. Actually I just checked, It is in the Preferences section of the CC app. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: This is probably not the thread for this discussion but yes I have CC but I installed it when it was first released and have only done updates as notified since. It's been over a year, and what I was remember was a messy install that required me to install a tool to do the downloads, did not allow me to select where I wanted the software installed and the downloads took forever. So I'm not sure when the click and done process became available, but I haven't seen it. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:00 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: If you haven't done CC, then you haven't seen the latest installer. It is literally - click a button to see a list of stuff, click download, and done. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358012 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Gerald Guido gerald.gu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Robert Harrison rob...@austin-williams.com wrote: their IT departments are flat out refusing CF technology. What is the deal with the bias and, at times, the flat out bigotry toward CF? Could someone explain this to me? I deal with this all the time. CF is a tool to get a job done. CF is one of the many tools in my tool belt so, to me, hating Cf is like hating hammers. It boggles my mind why is there such a severer bias against CF. The data centers running Microsoft OSs look at ColdFusion as an outlier that is expensive to purchase and maintain. To them, it does nothing more than .NET. Many of the CIOs are under pressure from the suits to cut costs so something as expensive as ColdFusion is an easy target. Add in the extra sysadmin costs that are different than MS and you get the obvious reaction. I don't know much about LAMP shops so I won't speculate how they might react; however, the people I know from the open source community are not so keen on Adobe. It is the developer that likes ColdFusion, not so much the data center folks. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358013 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: What is the deal with the bias and, at times, the flat out bigotry toward CF? Could someone explain this to me? Everything makes more sense when you think of programming languages as religions. Each has it's own moderates and some have extremists who would love nothing more than a holy war. Choose to be secular. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358014 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
For us, what we've encountered include: 1. It's more expensive to host CF and there are few host (somewhat true) 2. CF is an old and outdated (not true) 3. CF has little future left and is a dying technology (possibly true... even if it's a self-fulfilling prophecy) 4. There are few CF Programmers available to maintain a site and there are a lot of PHP programmers around (true, setting quality aside, which few clients understand) 5. There is a lot of free code from open source you can grab to save money (somewhat true... sure more available PHP than CF code, but there is also that quality issue) 6. Internally we (the client) are not equipped to run and support CF; but we have some knowledge of PHP or .NET and can support it better (generally comes from the client's IT; it is probably an accurate statement) One additional issue I've been concerned with... few educational institutions teach CF or even mention it in their IT programs. These are the arguments we most frequently encounter. We can argue each item among ourselves, but arguing with a client is not all that profitable. I've been suggesting on this list for years that Adobe address this and refresh CF... maybe even rebrand and re-release it with a shiny new name and new back-up marketing materials, but alas... nothing. And one other issue I have with Adobe, they make PDF and Photoshop, so in my opinion CF should be the flat out best tool available to manipulate PDFs and images, but again, there is an Adobe disconnect. Robert Harrison Director of Interactive Services Austin Williams Advertising I Branding I Digital I Direct 125 Kennedy Drive, Suite 100 I Hauppauge, NY 11788 T 631.231.6600 X 119 F 631.434.7022 http://www.austin-williams.com Blog: http://www.austin-williams.com/blog Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/austin_wi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358015 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
so some people think it is not real code ... and these people are real morons ;-) Being tag oriented, compatible with HTML, makes CF the most developper friendly language ever. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358016 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
so some people think it is not real code ... and these people are real morons ;-) Being tag oriented, compatible with HTML, makes CF the most developper friendly language ever. Give it's unlike any other language one might already know, how is it being tag-oriented a dev-friendly thing? Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some other situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not describe an awful lot of CFML code out there. That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over the script side is probably the worst strategic move they ever made. -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358017 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
You don't find the CC installer to be a heck of a lot simpler? Excuse my ignorance, but what is CC? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358018 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Give it's unlike any other language one might already know, Come on, can you imagine a CF developper who wouldn't know at least HTML? how is it being tag-oriented a dev-friendly thing? Just because the code and the HTML it is intended to produced are integrated within the same syntax. That makes any template looks like ONE program written in ONE language, not a program written in one language and another program in another language embeded in strings in the first language. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358019 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some other situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not describe an awful lot of CFML code out there. That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over the script side is probably the worst strategic move they ever made. Agree, now. I think at that moment in webdev history, it served a purpose, which was ease of entry in to development. Now, its a liability, seems antiquated, and is unnecessarily verbose - especially if you are coming from a different programming language. I do like wrapping an entire content block with cfoutput and just double escaping the pound symbols, as necessary, compared to having to deal with ?php echo $variable? or PHP short tags ?= $variables ?. I havent written a tag-based component in a long while though, as I can build something out faster in script - especially when Im coming back to CF after using a different language for a bit. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358020 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
And people wonder why they think ColdFusion is old and outdated when someone comes along and makes the comment that tags are the best thing about ColdFusion Really, it was in the days when that was the thing, 20 years later the world has moved on and so should those developers who continually think that cftags is better than script. Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:17 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: so some people think it is not real code ... and these people are real morons ;-) Being tag oriented, compatible with HTML, makes CF the most developper friendly language ever. Give it's unlike any other language one might already know, how is it being tag-oriented a dev-friendly thing? Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some other situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not describe an awful lot of CFML code out there. That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over the script side is probably the worst strategic move they ever made. -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358021 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
how is it being tag-oriented a dev-friendly thing? Just because the code and the HTML it is intended to produced are integrated within the same syntax. That makes any template looks like ONE program written in ONE language, not a program written in one language and another program in another language embeded in strings in the first language. Which describes your views, and that's fine to have the odd control statement etc within them. But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358022 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. Presuming you are doing a MVC framework. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358023 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
On 18 March 2014 14:53, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.com wrote: But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. Presuming you are doing a MVC framework. Well... presuming you organise your code AT ALL. It doesn't need to be via a framework. But I guess you've got even bigger code challenges if yer *not* using a framework of some description. -- Adam ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358024 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. So be nowhere *near* HTML. So, accordingly, the reason for having tag-based constructs in CFML should not be relevant in almost all your code. Presuming you are doing a MVC framework. MVC and/or frameworks aren't the reason you should write your applications using object-oriented code. Making your life easier as a developer in reducing duplication of effort, logic and ease of application maintenance trumps using procedural code, time and again, in all respects. We seem to have moved off-topic, though . : ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358025 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Creative Cloud. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 9:21 AM, wrote: You don't find the CC installer to be a heck of a lot simpler? Excuse my ignorance, but what is CC? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358026 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:21 AM, wrote: Excuse my ignorance, but what is CC? Creative Cloud. Adobe's software rental program. -Cameron ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358027 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
But the bulk of your *code* should be separate from your views. Well, if you really like masochistic constraints like MVC just to make things more accademic, you can, but you will still use CF to code the views and the data, and working with the same language in the SGML family simply makes it easier. You can even make your CF code compatible with XHTML if you like religions, although XHTML has been officially abandoned. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358028 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Adobe Installers
So after the conversation last night, I tried to check for an update to Dreamweaver. Selecting the update menu item in Dreamweaver told me my version of Abode Application Manager was corrupt. I went to the website, searched for Adobe Application Manager and was given this link: https://creative.adobe.com/products/creative-cloud where I downloaded this file: CreativeCloudSet-Up.exe and attempted to install it. The first attempt failed with a message that said Creative Cloud could not be installed. No reason or explanation as to why. I uninstalled the previous version of the application manager, dated 5/11/2012, rebooted and ran the install program again. After about five minutes of the installer running, I was presented with a login prompt. I signed in with my Adobe credentials, selected the option for applications and updates and was presented with a list of the various applications which showed that I need eight updates. I am sitting here typing this message while the app updates ponderously download. Nothing simple or quick about any of this. As for locations, the previous installer put the files in Program Files folder for some of the apps, the Program Files (x86) for others and scattered icons all over the desktop and start menu. So I am still voting for the anthill. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 5:14 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: Well I think if you say you want to stake the developers to the ant hill, then that is kind of bold, and I'm going to defend my coworkers. ;) Seriously - I'd consider trying it again. As for being able to select an install location, I'll give you that, but honestly, I can't remember the last time I didn't want an app in /Applications. A server - sure. But an app? Most folks don't need/care to move it. Actually I just checked, It is in the Preferences section of the CC app. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358029 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Adobe Installers
So it sounded like you had some trouble with the older installs. That's unfortunate - but we were talking about the current installer. ;) Now you said you are downloading 8 apps - ponderously download - you do recognize that it may take time to download 8 separate large programs, right? You can't expect 8 updates to go quick. It doesn't matter how cool your installer is - a lot of bytes is a lot of bytes. You do accept that it was easier to *start* those updates, right? I guess it just depends on your point of view - but for me - and many others - the experience of using the CC app to handle installing/updating is *incredibly* simpler compared to the past. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: So after the conversation last night, I tried to check for an update to Dreamweaver. Selecting the update menu item in Dreamweaver told me my version of Abode Application Manager was corrupt. I went to the website, searched for Adobe Application Manager and was given this link: https://creative.adobe.com/products/creative-cloud where I downloaded this file: CreativeCloudSet-Up.exe and attempted to install it. The first attempt failed with a message that said Creative Cloud could not be installed. No reason or explanation as to why. I uninstalled the previous version of the application manager, dated 5/11/2012, rebooted and ran the install program again. After about five minutes of the installer running, I was presented with a login prompt. I signed in with my Adobe credentials, selected the option for applications and updates and was presented with a list of the various applications which showed that I need eight updates. I am sitting here typing this message while the app updates ponderously download. Nothing simple or quick about any of this. As for locations, the previous installer put the files in Program Files folder for some of the apps, the Program Files (x86) for others and scattered icons all over the desktop and start menu. So I am still voting for the anthill. -- === Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe Email : raymondcam...@gmail.com Blog : www.raymondcamden.com Twitter: cfjedimaster ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358030 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
RE: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
I come from the days of Everyware and Pervasive using the Tango technology. Same idea as CF being a tag-based language with an application server. Tag-based is easier to learn and has many benefits. When Macromedia bought CF, it was a God-send to integrate CF and Dreamweaver together without having to use Homesite or the bulky Allaire CF editor. Unfortunately, Macromedia bombed when it came to marketing Cold Fusion. Remember Ultradev? Macromedia's response to a WYSIWYG java, html, database application which was supposed to replace Dreamweaver? Macromedia focused too much on Ultradev and ignored the much needed CF marketing. Fast forward to Adobe (The document and printing solutions company) with failing web products to buy Macromedia. Like everyone, I was hoping for a re-brand of CF. Nothing happened. They never marketed it. At a trade show in New York (Internet World) I went to the Adobe booth. No one wanted to talk about CF, and there was one brochure with a paragraph mentioning CF that's it. Adobe came out with Cold Fusion Builder which is sort of nifty, but not nearly as good as Dreamweaver for building CF websites. Now Adobe is pushing their Creative Cloud (copying Office 365 are we?) which I would never use because of the continuous hacks to Adobe's servers and private information breaches. So what are the alternatives? PhP. Not secure, messy code, can't load balance between multiple servers unless you BUY an app server for it. Most PhP hosters throw the web server, database server and email server on the same box and call it a day. I programmed PhP code for a year and will never do it again. The problems with hacking, SQL injection attacks, URL hacks etc... take up time to fix at the developer's expense. PhP, Linux, MYSQL, Cpanel, Wordpress Joomla and many others are free. You get what you pay for. A proper coded CF site won't get hacked if the code is well written and the server is configured properly. There's ASP.net but personally I don't want to program something for 3 months in .NET that takes 3 weeks in CF. Plus Microsoft changes things around way too much, and Visual Studio is stupid expensive. Sure there's Expression web (does anyone really use it?) and some plugins for Dreamweaver. There's Dot Net Nuke if you have lots of time on your hands too. Most of my clients don't want to wait. And .NET developers are the snobs of the development community expecting high hourly rates. Content Management Server was a nice touch if you had deep pockets and lots of staff to maintain multiple servers but Microsoft did away with that too. Is CF dying? It is dying a slow death in my opinion. Adobe has dropped the ball with marketing. Heck, they don't even use it on their own site! PhP is the internet king for programming, and Wordpress is keeping developers making thousands of plugins for it. In the technical colleges and universities they teach PhP, Java, and .NET. New developers aren't even exposed to CF anymore. When you say Adobe, the first 2 things that come to mind are PDF and Photoshop. I'll continue to use CF for as long as I can, then just leave the web development game since the only player is PhP and I don't have the time nor desire to get into that technology. Kind Regards, Rick Sanders T: 902-401-7689 W: www.webenergy.ca -Original Message- From: Jon Clausen [mailto:jon_clau...@silowebworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:32 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail On Mar 18, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Adam Cameron dacc...@gmail.com wrote: Tag-based code is godawful anywhere other than in a view, or some other situation in which text-processing is needed. Which does not describe an awful lot of CFML code out there. That Macromedia/Adobe pushed the tag side of CFML over the script side is probably the worst strategic move they ever made. Agree, now. I think at that moment in webdev history, it served a purpose, which was ease of entry in to development. Now, it's a liability, seems antiquated, and is unnecessarily verbose - especially if you are coming from a different programming language. I do like wrapping an entire content block with cfoutput and just double escaping the pound symbols, as necessary, compared to having to deal with ?php echo $variable? or PHP short tags ?= $variables ?. I haven't written a tag-based component in a long while though, as I can build something out faster in script - especially when I'm coming back to CF after using a different language for a bit. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358031 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe:
Re: Adobe Installers
I will concede that once I got the download manager installed, the actual download process was simpler. I still find it extremely slow as compared to downloads of equivalent size from other sites. The update for Premiere Pro took 34 minutes using Comcast Business Internet 150 and clocking test speeds upwards of 100 mbps On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Raymond Camden raymondcam...@gmail.com wrote: So it sounded like you had some trouble with the older installs. That's unfortunate - but we were talking about the current installer. ;) Now you said you are downloading 8 apps - ponderously download - you do recognize that it may take time to download 8 separate large programs, right? You can't expect 8 updates to go quick. It doesn't matter how cool your installer is - a lot of bytes is a lot of bytes. You do accept that it was easier to *start* those updates, right? I guess it just depends on your point of view - but for me - and many others - the experience of using the CC app to handle installing/updating is *incredibly* simpler compared to the past. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: So after the conversation last night, I tried to check for an update to Dreamweaver. Selecting the update menu item in Dreamweaver told me my version of Abode Application Manager was corrupt. I went to the website, searched for Adobe Application Manager and was given this link: https://creative.adobe.com/products/creative-cloud where I downloaded this file: CreativeCloudSet-Up.exe and attempted to install it. The first attempt failed with a message that said Creative Cloud could not be installed. No reason or explanation as to why. I uninstalled the previous version of the application manager, dated 5/11/2012, rebooted and ran the install program again. After about five minutes of the installer running, I was presented with a login prompt. I signed in with my Adobe credentials, selected the option for applications and updates and was presented with a list of the various applications which showed that I need eight updates. I am sitting here typing this message while the app updates ponderously download. Nothing simple or quick about any of this. As for locations, the previous installer put the files in Program Files folder for some of the apps, the Program Files (x86) for others and scattered icons all over the desktop and start menu. So I am still voting for the anthill. -- === Raymond Camden, Web Developer for Adobe Email : raymondcam...@gmail.com Blog : www.raymondcamden.com Twitter: cfjedimaster ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358032 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
I completely agree with you, on all points. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358033 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Marketing wise, Adobe is doing not a lot to nothing. If the Railo Company would do some marketing, I bet they would take even more market share from Adobe. 2014-03-18 19:16 GMT+01:00 : I completely agree with you, on all points. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358034 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
If the Railo Company would do some marketing If they would above all produce some documentation! I wanted to give it a try a couple of years ago, but the documentation was just an arrid desert, so I gave up. Is it any better now ? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358035 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection
Hi, In the administrator, there is a check bor that makes possible to Specify whether ColdFusion tags can pass non-standard attributes in the attributecollection structure. But apparently it does not make posssible to pass non-standard attributes in an ordinary tag in the code. For instance, I would like to use something like this: CFPARAM NAME=attributes.MyAttribute TYPE=string REQUIRED=no So that my parser for documentation is able to recognized default values and required or not required attributes in custom tags. I don't see any parameter for this. Do you think it is possible? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358036 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection
No. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:30 PM, wrote: Hi, In the administrator, there is a check bor that makes possible to Specify whether ColdFusion tags can pass non-standard attributes in the attributecollection structure. But apparently it does not make posssible to pass non-standard attributes in an ordinary tag in the code. For instance, I would like to use something like this: CFPARAM NAME=attributes.MyAttribute TYPE=string REQUIRED=no So that my parser for documentation is able to recognized default values and required or not required attributes in custom tags. I don't see any parameter for this. Do you think it is possible? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358037 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection
No. Too bad :-( ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358038 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Docs are still not commercial level, but there is more info available about Railo in the Github wiki. The docs about functions and tags are the same as the CF docs (available in the railo admin). But yes, docs have been a big discussion point on the Railo mailinglist but without any good solution yet. 2014-03-18 19:57 GMT+01:00 : If the Railo Company would do some marketing If they would above all produce some documentation! I wanted to give it a try a couple of years ago, but the documentation was just an arrid desert, so I gave up. Is it any better now ? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358039 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
The docs about functions and tags are the same as the CF docs I could work using the CF docs, but if there is the slightest difference, plus or minus, I need to be easily aware of it. It is so important in my mind that I finaly prefered to buy the CF 9 server. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358040 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection
However, this will work: CFPARAM NAME=attributes.MyAttribute TYPE=string --- REQUIRED=no --- Ugly, but it works. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358041 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
The docs in the railo admin are updated with the specific railo additions. In the wiki is stated which functions are not supported from CF9/10 or have differences in use/outcome. Also if there is a function missing certain arguments/options in Railo from the CF version, a simple bug report and mailinglist post will get that fixed very quickly. 2014-03-18 20:51 GMT+01:00 : The docs about functions and tags are the same as the CF docs I could work using the CF docs, but if there is the slightest difference, plus or minus, I need to be easily aware of it. It is so important in my mind that I finaly prefered to buy the CF 9 server. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358042 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Better than nothing, but still not very developer friendly. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358043 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection
I should point out - there ARE some tags where you are allowed to add random crap, like cfcomponent and cffunction (cfargument too I think). cfmodule as well. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:53 PM, wrote: However, this will work: CFPARAM NAME=attributes.MyAttribute TYPE=string --- REQUIRED=no --- Ugly, but it works. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358044 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
I don't know - I mean - imagine if CF ignored extra tags, and you had cfmail supersecure=true ... Then you quit to become a Ruby developer. The next dev comes along who isn't quite so familiar with CF and assumes that argument is doing something even though it isn't. Or heck, take Raymond Camden, a guy who has used CF for 10+ years and still makes typos from time to time. I'd *much* rather have CF complain than silently ignore a bad argument. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:05 PM, wrote: Better than nothing, but still not very developer friendly. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358045 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Allow Extra Attributes in AttributeCollection
like cfcomponent and cffunction (cfargument too I think). cfmodule as well. Yes, but not cfparam unfortunately. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358046 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
I'd *much* rather have CF complain than silently ignore a bad argument. I must admit I agree with you ;-) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358047 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Www.railodocs.org Russ Michaels www.michaels.me.uk cfmldeveloper.com cflive.net cfsearch.com On 18 Mar 2014 18:57, wrote: If the Railo Company would do some marketing If they would above all produce some documentation! I wanted to give it a try a couple of years ago, but the documentation was just an arrid desert, so I gave up. Is it any better now ? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358048 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: CFML tags was: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Www.railodocs.org Much better than the last time I tried indeed. Thanks. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358050 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: The long tail of ColdFusion fail
Someone has to say it: I came across my first ColdFusion is dying thread when I was considering upgrading my server to ... CF 3.1. That was here I think. Maybe it was the Allaire forum. Too many dead brain cells between then and now to be sure. -- --m@Robertson-- Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:358051 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
