Re: SOT: "most important" CFML framework

[Carey Duryea]

>So I thought I'd revisit this three months later (SEE OP for context):
>
>Integers are number of explicit "hits" on indeed.com:
>
>- Framework - 11/16 hits - 2/21 hits - 5/16 hits
>- FuseBox - 76 - 130 - 161
>- Mach-ii - 72 - 42 - 51
>- Model-Glue - 61 - 27 - 38
>- ColdBox - 13 - 5 - 38
>- CFWheels - 0 - 0 - 4
>- OnTap - 0 - 0 - 0
>- FW1 - ? - ? - 1
>
>- All CF - ? - ? - 3523
>





i don't understand what these numbers represent???  anyone for a simiplified 
explanation?  dos this have something to do with the popularity of these 
frameworks?

>
>
>>> 

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Converting Video uploads with ffmpeg on a shared host

[Carey Duryea]

i am uploading the videos and after uploading the video i need to convert it 
into flash format and for that i found ffmpeg to conver vedio into flv.. but to 
run this exe to convert vedio into flv format i should have access to run the 
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Re: Mail Server Software

[Carey Duryea]

>> Does anybody know of a good mail server with some sort of SQL or CF 
>> integration?
>
>If you just want an MTA try Postfix. If you want an MDA too add Dovecot to it.
>
>Jochem
>
>
>-- 
>Jochem van Dieten
>http://jochem.vandieten.net/

i know MTA means mail transfer agent, whats MDA mean? 

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Re: Mail Server Software

[Carey Duryea]

>> Does anybody know of a good mail server with some sort of SQL or CF 
>> integration?
>
>If you just want an MTA try Postfix. If you want an MDA too add Dovecot to it.
>
>Jochem
>
>
>-- 
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>http://jochem.vandieten.net/

i know MTA means mail transfer agent, whats MDA mean? 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

>Heh.  What's your vector, Victor? LOL
>
>Yeah, I'm down with math and automation names too.
>
>Mobious strips and self-organizing systems and recursion and whatnot are 
>lovely.
>
>Originality is swell too, and prevents sue-age.  Hrm.
>
>I'd resorted to play on words + ego and whatnot for my projects
>(shendub, trakshen, extenshen, persisdance, all-in-one-dir, etc.), but
>if this is really going to be a team effort, we'd probably want
>something folks could get behind without feeling like they're behind
>some one.  cfdistro was formula, obviously.  Hrm.
>
>"Orientability"?  "Constant"?  CFSomething?  :-/


i say we come up with some freaking arbitrary name, and then put up a 
suggustion voting api up on it!  force community vote!   i seroiusly love that 
idea.  arbitron haha its the land of arbitray . or land of arbitrage.  trading 
from one market to the next kind of principle,  kind of a mixture of leveraging 
a combination of knowledgeable people with ambitious young anixous devleopers 
who can't freaking spell cause they type to fast! 
>
>I'm feeling obtuse.  And I failed geometry, so that's saying
>something.  (silly line from a movie).
>
>Naming things is one of the Harder Things to do.
>
>Ah yes...  The Will and the Word.  True Names, etc..  Language.  Communication.
>
>All sorta related.  LOLL  =)
>
>:DeN*
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>William James 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

> YEAH!  PEEP POWERS!  =)
> 
> A tracker to track the tracker, maybe? :)
> 
> I'm down for whatever.
> 
> What would you call such a site?  What would the URL be?
> 
> :Den
> 
> -- 
> Truth lives, in fact, for the most part on a credit system. Our
> thoughts and beliefs pass, so long as nothing challenges them, just 
> as
> bank-notes pass so long as nobody refuses them.
> William James
> 
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Carey  Duryea wrote:
> >
> > Den,
> >     What do you mean by tracking system?  Tracking what? hhahah i 
> was thinking of creating a site to construct the community on at some 
> point.  first develop some core functionalities, and then basically 
> set up a voting api that people can vote sugguestins to be developed 
> and have sort of a democratic state! like a true freaking community 
> should be, POWER TO THE POEPLE!
> >
> > 


i need a tracker to track the track of the tracker of what the heck you are 
talking about sometimes! hahaha   ,  keyword rich. or brand building name.   i 
like mathmatical names for sure.  Automaton,  thats why i like the named 
coldfusion in the first place , i read evertyhing there was about the failed 
conclusion of "coldfusion" in relation to power production and stuff.  i love 
math names and automation

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

>>>you don't have to be spoon feed this stuff for enormous amounts of money
>
>There is a lot to be said for curriculum design, guided instruction and
>formal training. I am not interested in debating the merits of autodidactism
>and self guided learning as I am proponents of both BUT, a well designed
>curriculum (not having looked that the curriculum of the ORLY courses) will
>purposely guide you though the developmental steps you need to master a
>course of study and/or develop a skill set. There are people who do *nothing
>but* (i.e. built careers) figure out and research what the best ways for
>education to be delivered. Though, like all fields, this "best way" is hotly
>contested. I have formal training in Higher Ed. education and work with
>people in the field so I have been exposed to this quite a bit. (Hey look! I
>am using my education).
>
>A good example of guided instruction are the Lynda.com tutes. They guide you
>though the subject matter step by step with each step building on the
>knowledge and skill developed in the previous step to guide you in
>developing a solid understanding of the material.
>
>The one thing that you get from mentorship (education being
>institutionalized mentorship) that you can't get from self directed learning
>is not the the how to do something, but the why you should do things a
>certain way. Basically you can learn from the mistakes that other people
>have made. A lot of times the people who teach have already made the common
>mistakes and can guide you thought the pitfalls commonly made in ones
>developmental path. Though there is a lot to be said for screwing up on ones
>own.
>
>You learn by doing so there is something to be said for doing homework. So
>in that respect this would be good way to go for some people..
>
>My $0.02 and worth every penny.
>
>G!
>
>On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Carey Duryea wrote:




i thought this was an interesting reply! for sure, i just found going to 
community colleges i was being taught by someone who had no practical street 
knowledge about being creative with techologies or anything related to the 
teachings. sort of a administer of the textbook is all they were. Eitehr way i 
appreciate the education i got. i just sort of pick up so much more from 
someone who has been on the grind with the material in real use! 
>> 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

Den,
 What do you mean by tracking system?  Tracking what? hhahah i was thinking 
of creating a site to construct the community on at some point.  first develop 
some core functionalities, and then basically set up a voting api that people 
can vote sugguestins to be developed and have sort of a democratic state! like 
a true freaking community should be, POWER TO THE POEPLE! 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

> Sean Corfield  wrote: 
>> A certificate doesn't say zip about whether you can get work done. The
>> courses might be useful for the O.P. but they don't tell an employer
>> anything so the certificate itself is worthless, IMO.
>
> As in most things, it depends. A certificate might not be worth the 
>paper and ink in reality, but it can be the difference between getting 
>in the door. Many hiring decisions are not made on reality, but on 
>perception.
>
> Many corporate job search criteria are not set up by knowledgeable 
>people in the field. HR people do a lot of it and certifications are 
>one way they break ties. They can put your resume in play where it would 
>be in the reject pile otherwise. I would not discount them completely. 
>I have seen many job announcements with certifications as necessary 
>though most of them were in Microsoft based systems. (MS has made a lot 
>of money on certifications.)
>
> It is also true that corporate organizations look for ways to show 
>differences between employees. Getting certified is measurable. (All 
>the MBAs love to measure stuff.) Getting a certification can get you 
>a raise or promotion in many places. Of course, many independent 
>developers probably have no use for certifications since they are 
>irrelevant in the real world. 
>
> I would encourage anyone to continue to take classes and even teach 
>them in your field. We have all benefited from the hard work people 
>put into teaching, books, blogs, user groups, etc. 
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Den,
 thats cool i used to use cfeclipse untill coldfusion builder came out and i 
heard cfeclipse wasn't suppported or wasnt going to be supported anymore.  But 
you sound like you have alot more experience then i do.  i freaking built one 
site in coldfusion. blankdealer.com and i'm dying for more programming 
expereience and i think this whole project would be a good focus for me.  i 
have read briefly about alot of the frameworks but more about coldfusion on 
wheels, and fusebox  just out of sheer curiousity really. i'm reading about 
coldspring right now cause you mentioned it and i have never takin the time to 
read about it.  ya and your right this is a good place to communicate till we 
get a site up of sorts taht would enable chat/communication of sorts.  i wanna 
integrate the ability to do many things but allow the simplicity to do the very 
simplist as well. but i'm with you i always like the idea of being platform 
inspecific, and things that had a applicatable to a broader audience of 
everything! haha   specificity is my word.  to most levels of specificity the 
usefulness of this community plumbing would be useful!

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

> Keeping in mind that the most widely attractive framework might not 
> be
> the best fit, probably FW/1 or maybe ColdBox or CFWheels.  People 
> seem
> hyped for 'em.
> 
> And they're swell!  They do their jobs well.
> 
> Personally, I like the whole XML deal MG has.  I don't leverage it
> right, at all, but it is a powerful concept (and one that I think is
> especially suited to framework use).
> 
> I've already promised some actionpacks for MG, so that's going to
> happen regardless, but back when I first started with MG
> "actionpacks", I realized that it would be really easy to not tie
> anyone into MG itself.  There's just a MG specific XML file for when
> you plug into MG.  I use ColdSpring for configuring most things, and
> they can all leverage that, so that part's cool (unless someone wants
> to use LightWire- oh noes, it never ends! ;]).
> 
> Personally I think it would be nothing but good to support as many
> frameworks as we possibly can.  Replete with examples and docs and
> whatnot.  That would be worth more than the sum of the parts, if that
> makes sense.
> 
> A problem I have, is that I see everything relating.  And thus I see
> ways of working smarter, vs. harder, *everywhere*.  I almost have a
> compulsion to take the waste from one process and turn it into the
> food for another.  The problem is, "everywhere" is a large area to
> cover.
> 
> Well, /one/ of the problems with seeing /anything/ *everywhere*, 
> obviously.  :)
> 
> 
> I think most of what I see is evolution, so I'm not too worried- if I
> don't do it, someone will.  :)
> 
> Eventually.
> 
> :Den
> 
> -- 
> There must be something solemn, serious, and tender about any 
> attitude
> which we denominate religious. If glad, it must not grin or snicker;
> if sad, it must not scream or curse.
> William James
> 
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Carey  Duryea wrote:
> >
> > i hear ya about frameworks being a fighting word, everyone sort of 
> has there preference and basically there own set of goodies that 
> relate to certain frame works.  i woudl think going with one of the 
> more popular ones would be good.
> > what do you think would be the most widely attractive 
framework



Den,
  sometimes when you talk , i'm like "whata reyou crazy" hahha  but 
seriously i'm obviously not as familar with teh variety of frameworks as you 
are, but i'm thinking , how in the world can you accomidate all of them.  i 
thought picking one would create some kind of uniformity in the community we 
create

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

> Sounds swell.  Guess we'd need a name, neh?  :)
> 
> My view of open source results in wanting "buy-in"-ness more than
> "crush them"-ness...  "Framework" be a fighting word.  :)  Not sure
> how to tackle that other than supporting them all (at least
> potentially).
> 
> Which is why we'd need a solid way to test all the different stuff.
> Which is why I taped together cfdistro (a deal that tests and builds
> and stuff).
> 
> Sorta why I did it, at least.  :)
> 
> Yes, fer sure a name.  Maybe some scope.
> 
> I was calling mine "shendub", because it is going to be like github
> but awesomer (and not just because it's in CFML :]), but I like the
> idea of a pro-learning deal like you were talking about.
> 
> Heh.  Might as well make it a moodle killer too.  :]
> 
> There I go again, getting all violent.  =)
> 
> :Den
> 
> -- 
> There is an organic affinity between joyousness and tenderness, and
> their companionship in the saintly life need in no way occasion
> surprise.
> William James
> 
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Carey  Duryea wrote:
> > Den,
> >  i totally hear you, so lets talk about starting  i wanna do it , 
> with the full functionalites that cf has to offer.   agree upon a 
> framework to start?  Make a site to propose the idea to the rest of 
> the community?  make that site the beginnings of the entire project, 
> and the communication portal?  creating a discussion board would be 
> were i likely would think a  good place to start, and then generating 
> a proposal 
for




i hear ya about frameworks being a fighting word, everyone sort of has there 
preference and basically there own set of goodies that relate to certain frame 
works.  i woudl think going with one of the more popular ones would be good.
what do you think would be the most widely attractive framework?

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

>I could cover the cost of a VPS.
>
>On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:59 AM, denstar  wrote:
>>

no i hear ya i had never heard that word before!  but i'm down to cover  
version control hosting,  using this thread forever might get redundent to haha 
but let me know what to do next i have the trigger in my hand 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

>>
>> Yup, I'll second that. If you contribute to an open source project,
>> you have a traceable footprint on the 'net and your capabilities can
>> be examined. When I'm an employer interviewing people, I Google them
>> to see what they've done publicly...
>
>Rut-roh.
>
>Look man, I can explain!  I had been drinking, you see, and the
>re-factor seemed like a really good idea, you know?
>
>Heh.  These new deals, where you get "cred" for answering questions
>and whatnot are interesting too.
>
>Feels sorta like whoring tho.  I'm enough of a whore at my day job.
>
>I don't do what I do to score points.  Not /those/ kinds of points.
>I'm at a whole 'nuther level.  :)
>
>LOL.  Ah yeah.
>
>Besides being a great place to say, "look what was done", open source
>projects are a great place to say "so that's how it was done".  The
>cleaner and clearer and more organized you can be, the better.
>
>Not just because it looks good, but because things actually function
>better that way.  It's easier for people to contribute, etc..  Open
>source teaches a lot, it's like the cyber street.  You can lean stuff
>you'd never learn elsewhere, but you can also die out there.
>
>Some dude had this funny view of open source: that it was survival of
>the fittest, and a battle of sorts.  If people doing the same stuff
>don't want to team up, crush them.
>And I can see that side of open source too, but it seems a sad perspective.
>
>Although "crush them" just sounds freaking fun, doesn't it?
>
>Anyways, I guess I think that it's pretty cool that people can be
>judged by their work so easy these days.  That's something that always
>pissed me off growing up- how hard that was to do, when it seemed so
>logical.  Probably always be a good bit of "who you know" tho, as
>that's sorta fundamental.
>
>Eh.  Anywhoo, I'll wind up this winding missive by saying how stoked I
>am that there are open source CFML engines that are freaking sweet.
>It at least provides the potential of millions of contributors, which
>closed source simply cannot.  Yes, I said "potential".
>I don't care that currently there may be only two... potential is power.
>
>Maybe.
>
>LOL
>
>:D3N
>

Den,
  i totally hear you, so lets talk about starting  i wanna do it , with the 
full functionalites that cf has to offer.   agree upon a framework to start?  
Make a site to propose the idea to the rest of the community?  make that site 
the beginnings of the entire project, and the communication portal?  creating a 
discussion board would be were i likely would think a  good place to start, and 
then generating a proposal form there 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

>I could cover the cost of a VPS.
>
>On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 2:59 AM, denstar  wrote:
>>

no i hear ya i had never heard that word before!  but i'm down to cover  
version control hosting,  using this thread forever might get redundent to haha 
but let me know what to do next i have the trigger in my hand 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

>> i dont' know what we are talking about funding
>
>No one is talking about financial contributions. We're talking about
>contributing time and effort to open source projects.
>-- 
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>Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/
>An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
>"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
>-- Margaret Atwood


So does anyone have any experience starting these types of things?  what to 
start with? i would like to contribute.  i don't want this to go down on the 
list of many good ideas people have had together! haha :)   any ideas of first 
steps , lay them out! 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

>> i dont' know what we are talking about funding
>
>No one is talking about financial contributions. We're talking about
>contributing time and effort to open source projects.
>-- 
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>Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://getrailo.com/
>An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
>"If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive."
>-- Margaret Atwood

well it was said "If you have the venture capital, I have the Chutzpah.  :) " 
and i was referring to that.  i am down to contribute my time and my limited 
abilities for the sheer learning experience it would be for me. and i think it 
would be very rewarding. and i'm just saying i would have no problem helping 
pay for any of the small expensies related to the project, i know the majority 
of it is time and effort  :) 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

> Yup, I'll second that. If you contribute to an open source project,
> you have a traceable footprint on the 'net and your capabilities can
> be examined. When I'm an employer interviewing people, I Google them
> to see what they've done publicly...
> 
> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Carey  Duryea  net> wrote:
> > i was going to say, One really good way to show a potiential 
> employer your skill and your ability to get things done, is contribute 
> to open source projects.


i dont' know what we are talking about funding ,  i know we need like 
subversion hosting, bugzilla hosting, or some version control , and task 
tracking.  i would be down to pay for subversion hosting, and for dev 
enviornment, hosting, dedicated , vps whatever.  

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

> If you have the venture capital, I have the Chutzpah.  :)
> 
> Or, to quote a totally wicked and way underrated 80's flick:
> 
> "If you bring the dip, I'll bring the chips."
> 
> Seriously tho, I hear you.  Let's get competitive, just for kicks.
> 
> :Den

Den,
   how come everyone in the coldfusion community is Jewish? haha my best friend 
and business partner is part of the tribe.  ya i've thought alot about this 
actually, thought about what framework, how to integrate alot of other already 
present projects to arrouse a few others in the community, aka blog.cfc , ray, 
chris, mike etc etc  i just know that alot of times one of the determining 
factors is coldfusion like .net developers by nature have their own box of 
goodies , where as php throw everything into a community box. Where CFers claim 
to get paid for there work, and php work ends up all in india,  so i've heard 
the claim.  but my point is i have plenty of indian friends that are CFers.  I 
do have to say that drupals sort of extensible content types, and base core 
functionality are definitly something to target.  lets face it, there are some 
unique functionalities out there, but there are some very core functionalities  
forums,blogs,social profiles,  that all should all fit directly into a cf 
community.  that way the extensiblity of these core functionalities instead of 
from stratch starts, or goodie box starts. i'm all about universal 
intelligence, not about proprietory knowledge.  i know poliferating a community 
with intellegence will inter  make my life fruitful.  i'm so down!

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Re: Web Programming Cert

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i was going to say, One really good way to show a potiential employer your 
skill and your ability to get things done, is contribute to open source 
projects.  if you contribute things to open source that show your skills 
everyone appreciates you!  and it will show an employer that you are sort of 
active no matter if your on the clock or off it, shows ambition and drive for 
sure.  i hire developers and that would be a big hint for me.  CONTRIBUTE! you 
know how bad we need it in the coldfusion community.  Where is our Drupal, 
Where is our Joomla, Our Oscommerce, Our Wordpress!!!  i don't wanna be the one 
that sits around and argues what language is better, i would like to 
contribute.  i would love to start a project that would compete with these 
Giant php communites! 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

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i'm reading about apache right now , trying to figure out all this load 
balancing stuff.  i really do wish though that there were more interactive 
lessons out there, seems like teaching in general has not caught up with the 
capability that these new technologies actually can produce!  interactive, 
sandbox, self paced, many different learning style options, real time examples. 
  i don't know how many times i read about a new concept and i never hear how 
the concept is used in real life, practicality!  practical experience give me! 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

[Carey Duryea]

>I'm thinking that this might be a good deal
>
>http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php


Good point!!!  i guess i was looking at it from my perspective i only 
develop for my own entrepreneurial endeavors.  i have never been a guy of 
creditials though cause of always been a busniness owner, i was looking into 
getting a coldfusion cert. through a adobe certified company.  i forget what 
the name of it was though.  i was looking for classes in php and coldfusion, 
and i pretty much called around and was trying to find the most interactive 
classes online i could find and to be honest with tyou the fact that this place 
has a sandbox to actively work with the concepts you learn is a really big 
selling point. i looked at the site pretty thoughly. do you know anything about 
coldfusion certs?

links that relate 
https://store1.adobe.com/cfusion/store/html/index.cfm?event=displayProduct&categoryOID=1579608&store=OLS-US#

http://adobe.knowledge.elementk.com/catalog/Syllabus.jsp?productId=85139&typeId=1
http://adobe.knowledge.elementk.com/catalog/Syllabus.jsp?productId=4800&typeId=1
 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

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>I'm thinking that this might be a good deal
>
>http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php

i'm thinking you should go to the library first before you spend hundreds of 
dollars and check out any number of php books,  PHP 6 Fast and Easy Web 
Development  is one . this book you can buy used on amazon for 20 bucks, i've 
had it check out at the local library for sixteen consecutive weeks.  no one 
puts a hold on the book, i keep it for a while.  yours your public library 
first! and you know if the library doesn't have the book  you can sugguest them 
to get it, they will buy it and you cah check it out.  

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Re: Web Programming Cert

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>I'm thinking that this might be a good deal
>
>http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php

you don't have to be spoon feed this stuff for enormous amounts of money 

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Re: Web Programming Cert

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>I'm thinking that this might be a good deal
>
>http://www.oreillyschool.com/certificates/web-programming.php

i'm thinking you should go to the library first before you spend hundreds of 
dollars and check out any number of php books,  PHP 6 Fast and Easy Web 
Development  is one . this book you can buy used on amazon for 20 bucks, i've 
had it check out at the local library for sixteen consecutive weeks.  no one 
puts a hold on the book, i keep it for a while.  yours your public library 
first! and you know if the library doesn't have the book  you can sugguest them 
to get it, they will buy it and you cah check it out.  

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Re: language for mailer

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well the more obvious reason is someone has offered a considerable amount of 
money for a version of this type of software.  Reason for this is, they can 
install it on as many servers as they would like without costing them 
additional monies, they can control the analytics produced because they have 
source code (or i would) They could have a controling interface for many server 
resources.  currently no one i have seen is giving you ANYTHING but a bill on a 
regular basis for alot of money.  i am in the position of being the developer 
potiential for this project. i wouldn't wanna go to the client and say,  hey 
here is a half baked solution that you don't own , that you would pay 5,000 a 
month for , but you can use three servers with one server instance.  and just 
sort of tell them its to hard to do.  whatever the number is to build the 
software i have to come up with. I know there are alot of companies doing 
something similar and extending licenses for the use of the software.  This is 
not a taylored solution that will work




>I'd be the first to admit that I am a die-hard CF fan, but if you want an
>off-the-shelf software solution, check out Campaign Enterprise:
>http://www.arialsoftware.com/enterprise.htm
>
>It gives average users the
>ability to create simple HTML email messages, where the recipient list can
>be defined by a query pulling from your own backend database like SQL
>server.
>
>We have it at work, and for the most part, it gives us what we want.
>
>
>
>>

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Re: language for mailer

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i was positive there was some hook into creating more efficiency.  just like 
building a dragster, you basically can only go straight, but thats all you 
really wanna do!  i am sort of a beginning developer in CF and a few other 
technologies, but non such as java or C,  i have a potiential contract to build 
such a server device with a web application interface for control of these 
mailing actions. 
i know myself very well, that if i decide to contract this sort of work, i'll 
probably end up reading three books on java.  the more ya knwo, the less you 
pay, i wonder who coined that phrase.  so its like, build java application mail 
server, that exploits resourses, build flex cf web application as interface to 
server application 




>There's this (pic at bottom):
>
>http://ha-javamail.sourceforge.net/
>
>Which should give you an idea of javamail's throughput.  Theoretically
>ha-javamail should be usable from CF if you drop to the java level.
>Dave knows more about what limitations there are on standard vs.
>enterprise (spooling, I think?), tho I think if you handle it at the
>java level you can do pretty much whatever you'd like.
>
>Dave's right about me being right (which was really him being right a
>few days ago :))-- the hardest part is usually managing getting
>blacklisted and whatnot, and for the money, a 3rd party who
>specializes in handling things like that is worth it.  A couple were
>mentioned in a thread just a bit ago.
>
>If I had less fun things to do, I'd see about adding ha-javamail
>support to cfjavamail.  That'd be a good feature.
>
>Anyways, if you do go the CF route for sending mail, I've got a
>"Wiser" (part the subethasmtp project) deal for CF that lets you test
>SMTP stuff pretty easy (fakes an SMTP server locally).
>
>:Denny
>
>-- 
>Every creature is a word of God.
>Meister Eckhart 

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Re: language for mailer

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sorry i didn't realize that it goes into a que or something, and posted three 
times~! how redundant.  i wonder if anyone else has some numeric value examples 
of applicatoins in cf that are sending out mail,  i know its resource dependent 
, like memory on server etc but still,  if you have a dedicated server, how 
would you value the resource usage of sending one email of a certain average 
size per Gig of ram , or whatever resources used to send email,  

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Re: language for mailer

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Diogenes rather "mad" man sounds like, interesting though

Coldfusion is definitely my preferred language,  but this is DEFINITELY not 
about how coldfusion is great. it is, i will not ever argue.  what i'm trying 
to figure out is what can i interface with to create a mailer application.  
what technology is going to produce 50 to 100 thousand emails an hour out of a 
typical dedicated server?  does anyone know.  something a little less obscure 
then "coldfusion can do anything" haha 



> The question was brought to my light.  if i wanted to build a mailer 
> for the purpose of distributing mail to hundreds of thousands of 
> address.  Would it be possible to build this piece of software in 
> coldfusion? is there any limitation in using coldfusion for this 
> routine? does anyone know what other mail servers use that is the sort 
> of "known" best language for this.  the idea is to create one 
> interface to many server resources, essentially virtualizing the 
> server resource.   Coldfusion is my native language i was just 
> brainstorming here.  


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Re: language for mailer

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Diogenes rather "mad" man sounds like, interesting though

Coldfusion is definitely my preferred language,  but this is DEFINITELY not 
about how coldfusion is great. it is, i will not ever argue.  what i'm trying 
to figure out is what can i interface with to create a mailer application.  
what technology is going to produce 50 to 100 thousand emails an hour out of a 
typical dedicated server?  does anyone know.  something a little less obscure 
then "coldfusion can do anything" haha 

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language for mailer

[Carey Duryea]

The question was brought to my light.  if i wanted to build a mailer for the 
purpose of distributing mail to hundreds of thousands of address.  Would it be 
possible to build this piece of software in coldfusion? is there any limitation 
in using coldfusion for this routine? does anyone know what other mail servers 
use that is the sort of "known" best language for this.  the idea is to create 
one interface to many server resources, essentially virtualizing the server 
resource.   Coldfusion is my native language i was just brainstorming here.  

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