Re: E-Commerce site for Canada

2002-11-13 Thread Dawn Campbell
What province would this be in? There is GST on a federal basis which is 7%,
but there is also sales tax in most provinces, and the rates vary.

Dawn


 Hi,
 We are building an e-commerce site that is specifically targeted to a
Canadian market. Most of our work has either been US domestic or so
international that we use a 3rd party to do the calculations.

 Anyway, anyone know of or have a quick reference to how sales taxes are
calculated in Canada and to what they apply? (ie I believe one of the taxes
applies to another tax, and are shipping charges generally taxed?) We are
having trouble getting information out of our client that is accurate in
this area.



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Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada

2002-11-13 Thread Dawn Campbell
We have two levels of sales tax--GST at 7% which is a federal tax and must
be collected by the merchant and submitted to the feds directly via a
special remission process, which includes detailed reporting. There are
certain goods that are GST exempt (food for one). Certain businesses are GST
exempt (mostly government services), but I don't know all the exemptions.
GST reports must be remitted bases on whatever reporting period the business
has opted for, or in some cases, the reporting periods are enforced. Usually
it's quarterly, some are annual, some do it monthly--depends on volume in
part. In some cases services provided for minors are tax exempt (e.g.,
swimming classes for kids under 14). It isn't all that straightforward--so
you'll need to know the nature of the goods or services being sold, and the
audience it is sold to.

In addition to that we have sales tax in most provinces--each province has a
separate rate. This tax must be submitted to the appropriate provincial
governments and is separate and distinct from the GST. Each province has
their own set of rules--again certain goods are exempt. Also, if you reside
in a tax exempt province (as I do in Alberta) and buy goods in a province
that has sales tax where you plan to use the goods in the province of your
residence (eg. I buy a car in BC but reside in tax-exempt Alberta and will
use it here), you can be exempt. I'm not sure if that's the case in all
provinces, but it is in BC. Once again, each province is regulated
differerent.

Jason talks about a brokerage fee--his explanation is a bit unclear. But it
sounds like what is happening is that the client he is referring to uses a
broker to clear imported goods, and that percentage fee is a service fee
paid to the broker--this isn't a tax issue, this is a business decision.
Brokers typically remit duty and GST for you and that is included in their
invoice, along with their service charge. In order to clear the goods and
have them released, they remit all taxes including GST and duty to the feds
(Receiver General) and then collect from their client. This is an issue most
ecomm sites wouldn't have to go near. Depending on the size of the business,
they might want to talk to a logistics specialist at a customs broker to
make sure they have a proper workflow in place.

I don't have a clue what happens to tax when you sell to the US from Canada.

Note that this is a very cursory explanation, and much more detail would be
needed.

I do know our banks here aren't particularly keen on ecommerce, especially
with physical goods, and they have been known to impose very high security
deposits to cover possible chargebacks. I looked into this for a furniture
company, and they were told they would have to put up the equivalent of 3
months sales for VISA--which would have been hundreds of thousands of
dollars. Interestingly, American Express required no deposit.

But this is far from the issue of CF---if anyone has any questions they feel
I might be able to help with, please feel free to email me. My knowledge is
only that of a Canadian citizen who buys stuff--not as a developer who has
looked into it in detail. But I'll certainly help if I can

fwiw,
Dawn




 Matt -
 I just actually dissassembled a canada shipping/ tax piece on one of my
 clients sites I built.
 Basically here are the elements -
 1) Broker Fee / Customs and all that - Typically a broker fee is
 involved - a percentage based fee. Includes a standard federal percetn
 fee too I believe. If not broker- then I guess jsut the federal - my
 clients used a Broker to eliminate this guessing.
 2) Province tax - as much as 15% in Newfoundland
 3) Exchange Rate
 4) Your shipping rates - flat rate or carrier

 We applied tax pre-shipping cost - yet the broker fee I beleive needed
 to be on complete purchase.

 Hope this little bit helps. Feel free to email me off list if you wnat
 further details.
 jay miller

 P.S. THe rates i have for province are as follows ( please confirm them)
 ProvinceProvAbrTaxRate
 AlbertaAB7
 British ColumbiaBC14
 ManitobaMB14
 New BrunswickNB15
 NewfoundlandNF15
 Northwest TerritoriesNT7
 Nova ScotiaNS15
 NunavutNT7
 OntarioON15
 Prince Edward IslandPE7
 QuebecPQ16
 SaskatchewanSK13
 YukonYT7

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Re: SOT: E-Commerce site for Canada

2002-11-13 Thread Dawn Campbell
One last note Bryan

The fees charged by the courier companies are the same in nature as those
charged by brokers--it's just the courier company acting as the broker. The
fee is charged per entry (they have to make a submission called a B3 per
shipment--now most of this is done electronically using systems called CADEX
and ACROSS). The courier companies, like the brokers, submit duty on your
behalf--they may or may not pay the GST. It varies. The brokerage fee is a
handling fee and is usually a minimum of around $40 or $50, sometimes it's a
percentage of the value of the goods over and above the minimum, and often
it's inflated by various little service charges (number of lines having to
be rated, etc.).  Some goods are duty-free--that gets complicated.

And a way to avoid paying high brokerage fees using FEDEX or UPS is to ship
the goods to yourself personally--avoid the use of a company name--they then
assume the goods are personal, and they usually won't charge the brokerage
fee--except FEDEX always charges if it's a ground shipment I believe ?? Go
figure.

Anyway, you are right. This is a importing issue--not an ecomm matter.
Whatever costs accrue as a result of importing goods should already be built
into the purchase price by then.

My father ran a brokerage business--retired at age 40 and lives in New
Zealand. Lucrative I guess :o~

Dawn


 Way to go Dawn...a Canuck on Canuck taxes...excellent ;-)

 Just one note on brokerage fees

 I believe they relate to the fees charged by the courier companies when
 goods cross the border or it's just another fee from the CCRA (Canadian
 Customs and Revenue Agency).  There is always duty and then the mysterious
 extra brokerage/handling fee (which is usually really high).  I don't
think
 it neccessarily has anything to do with using a specific broker for
 importing/exporting goods.

 Either way it's nothing that should be factored into your eComm site
(other
 than to mention to customers they could get dinged at the border).

 Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
 VP  Director of E-Commerce Development
 Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
 t. 250.920.8830
 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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