RE: CFMX not compatible with Oracle 8.0.5
Can you totally go into detail about this ... we are having 8.1.5 issues and need to identify how the JDBC driver connect to the Oracle RDBMS - is it through the listener, or are there specific drivers that are being made use of on the oracle side. If there are, what are the version numbers of those drivers and can I replace them ... trying to find a way of not upgrading oracle. TIA Kevin Bridges -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 1:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFMX not compatible with Oracle 8.0.5 We had the same problem here. The production database was 8i and the test database was 8.0.5 and we could not get to the 8.0.5 database with the JDBC driver that came with ColdFusionMX. We ended up putting on the 8.0.5 client installer so that we could install an 8.0.5 type 4 JDBC driver for 8.0.5. We got it working. Chris White Yes.. CFMX Oracle driver will only work with Oracle 8"I" and above. However i got CFMX working with Oracle 8.0.5 Using Oracle Native Type IV drivers. The setup is little Tricky but works!\ Let me know.. if you need help configuring this. Joe On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:50:05 -0600 Jim Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is interesting... > > According to MM tech support, CFMX's Type 4 > JDBC driver will not connect > with Oracle 8.0.5. Short of upgrading our > instance of Oracle (which, yes, > we should get around to one of these days), has > anyone had this problem and > come up with a way of getting this to work? > I'd prefer not to use the ODBC, > but if it's a choice between that and no > functionality at all, I'll go with > that. > > Muchas gracias, > > - Jim > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: RDS and VSS
As could we all ... -Original Message- From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RDS and VSS Last time I investigated it Projects would not work via RDS, only local and mapped drives. If you do find a way to make it work please do share. I could use that capability right now. Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RDS and VSS I work remotely for my company and connect to our development servers via VPN. I am using ColdFusion Studio version 5 because there are bugs that I have reported in Dreamweaver MX, specific to rewriting my code upon save. Although my connection to my home office is over high speed (cable), using RDS is much faster than using UNC paths (e.g. \\servername\sharename). Recently, I have started on a new project and am collaborating with two developers in the home office. We need to use Visual Source Safe so we don't step on each other's changes to the source code. I have configured a PROJECT in CF Studio 5 and set the "Location of Project File" to rds://scsdb01/E:\webdev_root/oesv2/webroot. The project creates just fine. Now, when I right click on the project that I created and select Source Control...Map Project to Source Control... My VSS client pops up, I log in and then select the VSS project that I wish the CF Studio project to use. As soon as I do this, Visual Source Safe pops up an error that says: "Invalid DOS path: rds://scsdb01/E:\webdev_root/OESv2/webroot" What I suspect is happening here is that VSS doesn't understand RDS and is using the working path specified in CF Studio. I am wondering though if any gurus out there have any idea on ways to work around this unfortunate problem. Thank you, Grant Szabo - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
ClientVars/Cookies on Linux
Sorry for any cross-posting ... getting desperate for an answer. I must be missing something really simple. We are running cfmx (with the service pack applied) on a clustered Linux farm. CFMX is not playing well with Oracle so in order to increase performance/scalability I am trying to switch client storage from a datasource to cookies, but am loosing my client variables. Here is previous application tag: Here is new application tag: I set client variables that I would expect to be stored and accessed in the cookie like so: client.test1=123; client.test2=456; When running this on a pc I get the following in the debug output which shows the client variables in the cookie where they can be persistent to the rest of the application: Client Variables: cfid=1500 cftoken=11718683 hitcount=3 lastvisit={ts '2002-12-04 10:04:09'} test1=123 test2=456 timecreated={ts '2002-12-04 09:59:52'} urltoken=CFID=1500&CFTOKEN=11718683 Cookie Variables: CFAUTHORIZATION_cfadmin=MDcxZjVkMjkyNzEzMDI6MDcxZjVkMjkyNzEzMDI= CFCLIENT_TESTEROLA=test2=456#test1=123# CFGLOBALS=urltoken=CFID#=1500&CFTOKEN#=11718683#lastvisit={ts '2002-12-04 10:04:09'}#hitcount=3#timecreated={ts '2002-12-04 09:59:52'}#cftoken=11718683#cfid=1500# CFID=1500 CFTOKEN=11718683 HIDEWELCOMEWINDOW=1 JSESSIONID=80302404681039021414455 Exact same code running on the Linux farm gives this in the debug: Client Variables: urltoken=CFID=1625&CFTOKEN=13474369 test2=456 test1=123 lastvisit={ts '2002-12-04 10:09:24'} timecreated={ts '2002-12-04 10:09:24'} hitcount=1 cftoken=13474369 cfid=1625 Cookie Variables: CFID=1625 CFTOKEN=13474369 Why are my client variables not be stored in the cookie on the Linux farm? There was a bug similar to this on MM's site but this "was fixed" in the cfmx update. Am I doing something wrong or is this yet another nail MM keeps pounding into my Linux coffin? Thanks, Kevin Bridges ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: CFC output
Think we should listen to Matt on this one ... 3 letters for dealing with cfcs: MVC (Model - View - Controller) ... learn it, live it, love it. Kevin Bridges -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 2:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFC output The logic used to derive those results should be decoupled from the display. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued
I haven't done this, but have been eyeballing it for a while ... couldn't you do something utilizing dhtml like so: http://w3coder.com:8080/ws/CallWSUsingDHTML.aspx -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued You can't. You can post to a CFC, but not an instance of one. You could hack around it a bit by having another CFC that stores the copies, ie, a Manager type CFC, then you could post to that CFC and pass an ID so it knows what instance of Whatever.cfc you want to use. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus Yahoo IM : morpheus "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda > -Original Message- > From: Robert Polickoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 9:04 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued > > > All, > > Sorry to bug you all again. Does anyone know how to reference a > method of an instantiated component from an HTML tag such as an > anchor or a form? > > Robert J. Polickoski > Senior Programmer, ISRD Inc. > (540) 842-6339 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > AIM - RobertJFP > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued
Makes sense ... I misunderstood the question. As a side note, has anyone actually done anything like this with cf web services? http://www.infoscico.com/DbWebService/DbWebServiceClient.htm -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued I don't believe this is what he is talking about. Right now you can 'post' to a CFC using a form tag like so: ... However, this posts to the generic Foo (not the best term I think) - I believe it's simular to using a static method in Java. However, CF allows you to create instances of CFCs as well: But you can't post directly to x. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus Yahoo IM : morpheus "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued
It's a static dhtml interface that adds/edits/updates/displays db data. Each click of the button allows the interface to invoke a webservice and performs one of the db functions outlined above. In the MX world it is similar to creating a flash interface and using flashRemoting to get data into/out of the interface. If you look in the status area of the browser (bottom left corner) you'll see it interact with the web service as you click the buttons ... seems like a great way to build interfaces for applications w/o requiring flash. -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued what is so tricky about that webService? is it a webService? just wondering? .tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer UnCertified Advanced ColdFusion Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Mobile workforce monitoring, mapping & reporting www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 -Original Message----- From: Kevin Bridges [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 10:25 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued Makes sense ... I misunderstood the question. As a side note, has anyone actually done anything like this with cf web services? http://www.infoscico.com/DbWebService/DbWebServiceClient.htm -Original Message- From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued I don't believe this is what he is talking about. Right now you can 'post' to a CFC using a form tag like so: ... However, this posts to the generic Foo (not the best term I think) - I believe it's simular to using a static method in Java. However, CF allows you to create instances of CFCs as well: But you can't post directly to x. === Raymond Camden, ColdFusion Jedi Master for Mindseye, Inc Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW : www.camdenfamily.com/morpheus Yahoo IM : morpheus "My ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is." - Yoda ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
Determining if cf is alive and communicative
We need to write an agent in the *nix world to "ping" the cfmx services and determine not only if they are running but that they are able to communicate with an Oracle backend. Does anyone have suggestions on how to approach this problem? Thanks, Kevin Bridges ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued
H ... considering I do strict _application_ development targeted specifically for IE in a secured environment where people are not allowed to update anything on their machines, much less see the internet, it is a great solution. The end users are on low end machines and the file MM let's you download to distribute flash through intranets did not work properly behind our firewalls (aka no updating of flash to MX) ... net result was a bunch of blank screens yet again for relying on early generation MM technology, and yet again we had to backpeddle to rewrite the MX solution we were so thrilled with. I have been burned badly by using MX and am looking for non-MM related solutions that apply specifically to IE. All of which is irrelevant to the question which was simply if anyone had ever done it in an application utilizing CF. If I can reduce the traffic on our farm by providing static interfaces that invoke/consume services vs complete page requests I think it becomes an ideal solution for me that has no bearing whatsoever on anyone's intelligence as a developer. But hey, that's just the where I'm coming from and why I asked the question .. thanks for the input. -Original Message- From: Samuel R. Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Component Conceptual Conundrum - Continued At 08:39 AM 12/11/2002, you wrote: >(snip) click the buttons ... seems like a great way to build interfaces for >applications w/o requiring flash. Great, they don't need Flash but they need IE on Windows platform. Advantage? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: application.cfm vs. cfinclude
I can' recall the exact reason either but I have heard also that it is extrememly bad form to use Application.cfm and OnRequestEnd.cfm to do any type of cfincludes ... I got reprimanded in an article I wrote for including header and footer files that way. -Original Message- From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: application.cfm vs. cfinclude But if he is already including it at the top of each page, and this is going to continue to be the case, then I do not see any reason why you could not do this. - Original Message - From: "Costas Piliotis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: RE: application.cfm vs. cfinclude > I remember forta strongly advising against it. Don't remember why, but he > suggested that all you have in it is the tag. > > With includes, you have full control over when they are included or not. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Austin Govella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 2:10 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: application.cfm vs. cfinclude > > > I use includes for the DTD at the top of every page. > > I was planning on using cfinclude to add the DTDs, but if the application. > cfm is automatically stuck at the top of every page, is there a reason why > it'd be bad to ask the it to add the DTD? > > I was thinking I'd save myself some small bit of server load if it only > processed te application.cfm, as opposed to processing application.cfm AND > a cfinclude. > > And then there's the footer and the onrequestend.cfm file... > > -- > Austin Govella > Grafofini > > > ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Updater 2 and Oracle ?
http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenotes_mx _updater.html#knownissues The number of Oracle fixes outweigh the non-fixes for us by a long shot -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 3:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Updater 2 and Oracle ? I saw a quick mention in a post about known issues with updater 2 and Oracle. I can't seem to find any information on this. Does anyone have details? Or, does anyone know if updater 1 is still available? I need to get the dateDiff fix, but I can't have it cause problems with Oracle. Thanks, Erica ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: RE: RE: CFMX and Java
The only way you'll see a reversal in numbers/pay is if schools were capable of separating business and actually educate ... Microsoft rules the schools and uses the schools to "educate" students on Microsoft products, great for MS, bad for the industry. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RE: RE: CFMX and Java I think the two big balance points are: Java developers are more expensive because they are few in numbers. v. MSCDs and MSCEs are everywhere, and cheaper. If java became the big open source language used by all, you would most likely see a reversal in numbers vs. pay. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: RE: CFMX and Java opps... >Java as the open platform? Java is a platform supported by >multiple vendors, yes, but I don't believe this qualifies it as >open Java (these might be good questions..) 1.How many versions of JVM's do we have today? 2.Do all the basic Java API's work whether it be IBM/SUN/BEA/ORCALE? 3.What do you need to develop a Java J2EE/Other App? J2EE complex and expensive talent..YES. But how many times does a company re-write software? Is Tomcat expensive? is J2SE(JDK) expensive? Maintenance contracts? Vs C#/Visual Basic (MS whatever) What are your choices in development?(MS Only?). How many vendors do we have for .NET Framework? Will C# code run on any platform? How much money are corportations spending on Licence agreements? Contracts? MSDN subsciptions? Talk about.. .Net Complexity? It took me around 11/2hrs to get Webshpere Studio running and compiling right... It took me a couple days to get .NET framework/Visual Studio.Net running right.. not to mention.. it messed up CFMX install first time... Oh Yea.. Install took 2hrs..finished a full movie during the install.. Joe ---Original Message--- From: "Benjamin S. Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 01/03/03 01:54 PM To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: CFMX and Java > > > With sofware giants like IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea pushing Java > and J2EE...Just guess.. the open platform is going to win. >Java as the open platform? Java is a platform supported by >multiple vendors, yes, but I don't believe this qualifies it as open (despite what Sun's marketing department might say). C# and the CLI, on the other hand, have been ratified by the ECMA. Whether or not that's a good thing is up for debate, but I think it does exhibit a greater degree of "openness." > Have you read articles of Microsoft Windows.Net and what > corporations think about their pricing..? I think you're mixing up workstation and productivity software licensing with server licensing. While quite a few are upset about the former, "IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea" compete in the latter. If we're comparing Oracle's licensing to Microsoft's, well, I'll take Microsoft's any day of the week. Benjamin S. Rogers http://www.c4.net/ v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: CFMX and Java > I am not quite as optimistic about the future of Java Interesting and funny!. I happen to do a little internet shopping around Christmas and New year. About 75% of the GOOD Clothing/accessories/home decor websites were JSP and am pretty sure they are in some fashion J2EE compliant.. and scaled very well inspite of all the traffic(especially ppl shopping for good prices and stuff) I hope you know that CFMX is just a J2EE Application deployed on JRun and quite interesting enough on IBM websphere. With sofware giants like IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea pushing Java and J2EE...Just guess.. the open platform is going to win. Have you read articles of Microsoft Windows.Net and what corporations think about their pricing..? I really think Linux/Lindows/Open Platform and Java will take off and in this economy of corporate cutbacks.. corporations are actively looking for cheaper solutions/software. As for CFMX and Java... i think for heavy duty applications.. CFMX will be suitable for Presentation Tier and Java will be used for all the heavy duty middle tier processing.. btw (we are not talking about a comment form). Joe ---Original Message--- From: Cary Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 01/03/03 12:12 PM To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Mr.Corfield: MX and beans > > I am not quite as optimistic about the future of Java as you are. It might be around, in the sense that the once and future coolest language in the world, APL, is still around... At 11:38 AM 1/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Personally, I'd write everything in beans if given the opportunity. Not >to knock CF or NEthing, but I like the idea of my code be
RE: newbie school of hard knocks
Your passing in quotes or single quotes as data and need to escape them ... using cfqueryparam around your data is a good way of doing so -Original Message- From: Mike Miessen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:31 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: newbie school of hard knocks I am getting the following error but I don't know what is wrong with my statement can you point out the error of my ways? The error I get is; Syntax error or access violation: You have an error in your SQL syntax near ''addressbook' WHERE FirstName = 'Mike' AND LastName = 'Miessen'' at line 2 The Error Occurred in D:\wwwroot\BlueGrassPro\datasources\emailformaction.cfm: line 8 6 : WHERE FirstName = '#Form.firstname#' 7 : AND LastName = '#Form.lastname#' 8 : My code is this; SELECT COUNT(*) FROM 'addressbook' WHERE FirstName = '#Form.firstname#' AND LastName = '#Form.lastname#' ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: RE: RE: CFMX and Java
The only way you'll see a reversal in numbers/pay is if schools were capable of separating business and actually educate ... Microsoft rules the schools and uses the schools to "educate" students on Microsoft products, great for MS, bad for the industry. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: RE: RE: CFMX and Java I think the two big balance points are: Java developers are more expensive because they are few in numbers. v. MSCDs and MSCEs are everywhere, and cheaper. If java became the big open source language used by all, you would most likely see a reversal in numbers vs. pay. Adam Wayne Lehman Web Systems Developer Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Distance Education Division -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: RE: CFMX and Java opps... >Java as the open platform? Java is a platform supported by >multiple vendors, yes, but I don't believe this qualifies it as >open Java (these might be good questions..) 1.How many versions of JVM's do we have today? 2.Do all the basic Java API's work whether it be IBM/SUN/BEA/ORCALE? 3.What do you need to develop a Java J2EE/Other App? J2EE complex and expensive talent..YES. But how many times does a company re-write software? Is Tomcat expensive? is J2SE(JDK) expensive? Maintenance contracts? Vs C#/Visual Basic (MS whatever) What are your choices in development?(MS Only?). How many vendors do we have for .NET Framework? Will C# code run on any platform? How much money are corportations spending on Licence agreements? Contracts? MSDN subsciptions? Talk about.. .Net Complexity? It took me around 11/2hrs to get Webshpere Studio running and compiling right... It took me a couple days to get .NET framework/Visual Studio.Net running right.. not to mention.. it messed up CFMX install first time... Oh Yea.. Install took 2hrs..finished a full movie during the install.. Joe ---Original Message--- From: "Benjamin S. Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 01/03/03 01:54 PM To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RE: CFMX and Java > > > With sofware giants like IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea pushing Java > and J2EE...Just guess.. the open platform is going to win. >Java as the open platform? Java is a platform supported by >multiple vendors, yes, but I don't believe this qualifies it as open (despite what Sun's marketing department might say). C# and the CLI, on the other hand, have been ratified by the ECMA. Whether or not that's a good thing is up for debate, but I think it does exhibit a greater degree of "openness." > Have you read articles of Microsoft Windows.Net and what > corporations think about their pricing..? I think you're mixing up workstation and productivity software licensing with server licensing. While quite a few are upset about the former, "IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea" compete in the latter. If we're comparing Oracle's licensing to Microsoft's, well, I'll take Microsoft's any day of the week. Benjamin S. Rogers http://www.c4.net/ v.508.240.0051 f.508.240.0057 -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 10:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: RE: CFMX and Java > I am not quite as optimistic about the future of Java Interesting and funny!. I happen to do a little internet shopping around Christmas and New year. About 75% of the GOOD Clothing/accessories/home decor websites were JSP and am pretty sure they are in some fashion J2EE compliant.. and scaled very well inspite of all the traffic(especially ppl shopping for good prices and stuff) I hope you know that CFMX is just a J2EE Application deployed on JRun and quite interesting enough on IBM websphere. With sofware giants like IBM/Oracle/Sun/Bea pushing Java and J2EE...Just guess.. the open platform is going to win. Have you read articles of Microsoft Windows.Net and what corporations think about their pricing..? I really think Linux/Lindows/Open Platform and Java will take off and in this economy of corporate cutbacks.. corporations are actively looking for cheaper solutions/software. As for CFMX and Java... i think for heavy duty applications.. CFMX will be suitable for Presentation Tier and Java will be used for all the heavy duty middle tier processing.. btw (we are not talking about a comment form). Joe ---Original Message--- From: Cary Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 01/03/03 12:12 PM To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Mr.Corfield: MX and beans > > I am not quite as optimistic about the future of Java as you are. It might be around, in the sense that the once and future coolest language in the world, APL, is still around... At 11:38 AM 1/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Personally, I'd write everything in beans if given the opportunity. Not >to knock CF or NEthing, but I like the idea of my code be
Verity Query Based Index Searching - Help!
I have multiple query based verity indexes setup on a server. Unfortunately if I don't use verity the return time on a straight query is ridiculous because of the amount of info being searched. Below are several pieces of code ... the first block works fine and the second block doesn't. If I hardcode the state into the second query (the one that doesn't work with verity) it returns the expected results (after much twiddling of thumbs). The information that I hardcode into the query is exactly what comes across on the url. I've tried everything I can think of to fix the problem but am at my wits end. If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks This works: - Refresh the Index - SELECT ID, LAST_NAME FROM iMIS.Name WHERE (status = 'A') - Search based on form submitted with get - This Does not work: - Refresh the Index - SELECT ID, STATE_PROVINCE FROM iMIS.Name WHERE (status = 'A') - Search based on form submitted with get - But this does: SELECT ID, STATE_PROVINCE FROM iMIS.Name WHERE (status = 'A') and state_province='AK' -- Archives: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cf-talk To Unsubscribe visit http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with 'unsubscribe' in the body.
FW: [cfdjlist] RE: Clusters and Load Balancing
::: -Original Message- ::: From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ::: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 9:59 AM ::: To: CFDJList ::: Subject: [cfdjlist] RE: Clusters and Load Balancing ::: ::: ::: Kevin, ::: It sounds like you are approaching it the right way. If ::: you want further ::: advice though, I advise you to post the same question to ::: the CF-Talk List, ::: attention of Dave Watts. Dave's the CTO here at Fig Leaf, ::: and has more ::: experience with this than anyone I know. ::: ::: ~Simon ::: ::: Simon Horwith ::: Macromedia Certified Instructor ::: Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer ::: Fig Leaf Software ::: 1400 16th St NW, # 500 ::: Washington DC 20036 ::: 202.797.6570 (direct line) ::: www.figleaf.com ::: ::: ::: ::: -Original Message- ::: From: Kevin Bridges [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ::: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:45 AM ::: To: CFDJList ::: Subject: [cfdjlist] Clusters and Load Balancing ::: ::: ::: Hi All, ::: ::: In the process of putting together hardware requirements ::: for a cf/http ::: cluster. Don't have to worry about the db or db servers ::: ... just cf and ::: http. ::: ::: Our web applications are just that ... no graphics, binary ::: data, or static ::: pages. We control the user base and currently have about ::: 600 users that ::: will be continuously using the system. Each user is ::: expected to initiate a ::: cf hit once every 20 seconds on average. We are estimating ::: 9 hour days for ::: each user so approximately 180,000 cf related hits in an ::: hour during peak ::: times or 1,620,000 in a day. ::: ::: I'm thinking we are going to start with 2 web servers ::: (Netscape I-Planet) ::: and 2 cf servers. What is the difference between round ::: robin dns and ::: hardware based load balancers? What type of hardware ::: configurations should ::: be on each web machine and what should be on the cf ::: machines? Where should ::: I focus on spending money to allow for future growth. ::: ::: The most useful information I've been able to find is located here: ::: http://www.teratech.com/teratech/custom/CF_Environ_Config_Gu ide_Detailed.cfm Anything else is appreciated! Thanks, ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Cluster & Load Balancing
Hi All, In the process of putting together hardware requirements for a cf/http cluster. Don't have to worry about the db or db servers ... just cf and http. Our web applications are just that ... no graphics, binary data, or static pages. We control the user base and currently have about 600 users that will be continuously using the system. Each user is expected to initiate a cf hit once every 20 seconds on average. We are estimating 9 hour days for each user so approximately 180,000 cf related hits in an hour during peak times or 1,620,000 in a day. I'm thinking we are going to start with 2 web servers (Netscape I-Planet) and 2 cf servers. What is the difference between round robin dns and hardware based load balancers? What type of hardware configurations should be on each web machine and what should be on the cf machines? Where should I focus on spending money to allow for future growth. The most useful information I've been able to find is located here: http://www.teratech.com/teratech/custom/CF_Environ_Config_Guide_Detailed.cfm Anything else is appreciated! Thanks, ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Preventing URL Variables from being changed
Yeah ... you should try variations of drop:table as the ID number (actually you might not want to do that). First of all make sure you are using in your queries. Because you can't control what people do to the urls consider using form variables ... but that is a security risk as well. So we did this to try and counter it: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cfurlencrypt/ ::: -Original Message- ::: From: David Douglas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ::: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 11:26 AM ::: To: CF-Talk ::: Subject: Preventing URL Variables from being changed ::: ::: ::: Hello, ::: ::: I setup a view query where it only displays records on the ::: user's ID. I ::: notice that if I change the ::: ID name in the URL it will show the other records for that ::: ID, I am sure ::: there is a simple way to prevent this. ::: ::: Any help is greatly appreciated. ::: ::: Thanks ::: ::: Dave ::: ::: __ ::: Why Share? ::: Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB ::: HD / 20 GB MO/XFER ::: Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup ::: http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc ::: FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq ::: Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ ::: Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: html standards
That cfhtmlhead tag is pretty sweet ... However, can someone please pass on to Macromedia that it makes zero sense to call it like so: It should be called like this: Now if we want to start using cfhtmlhead we have to go through all of our js code and make sure the quotes are escaped and don't conflict with the type of quote you use in "". ::: -Original Message- ::: From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ::: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:36 AM ::: To: CF-Talk ::: Subject: RE: html standards ::: ::: ::: > Were developing a rather large applciation/intranet where ::: > there is a fair bit of code in application.cfm and in header ::: > files and such. The blah blah ::: > section is in a file called dsp_header. In some pages, much ::: > of the javascript gets included with the form as a simple ::: > script block outside the tags. Also, we've ::: > recently put some javascript code in the application.cfm ::: > file. ::: ::: The short answer is, no, current browsers don't care where ::: your JavaScript ::: is, as long as functions and objects are defined before ::: they're referenced. ::: However, standards compliance is a good thing, all other ::: things being equal, ::: and future browsers may care. ::: ::: Fortunately, you can deal with this using the CFHTMLHEAD ::: tag, which writes a ::: string to the HTML HEAD of the document. By itself, it's ::: difficult to use ::: with strings containing JavaScript, so you can build ::: yourself a little ::: four-line custom tag to automatically escape the strings: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software ::: http://www.figleaf.com/ ::: voice: (202) 797-5496 ::: fax: (202) 797-5444 ::: ::: __ ::: Dedicated Windows 2000 Server ::: PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER ::: Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup ::: http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona ::: FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq ::: Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ ::: Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists __ Get Your Own Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionb FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Problems with looping
Does: Evaluate to true for each employee? ::: -Original Message- ::: From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ::: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:02 AM ::: To: CF-Talk ::: Subject: Problems with looping ::: ::: ::: Hey all! ::: ::: Take a look at this code. ::: ::: The idea of course, is to loop through all the employees in ::: the table ::: and run a particular query against each employee. ::: ::: ___ ::: ::: ::: ::: Select Employee_ID FROM Empl_General ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: Select SUM(RegHrs) AS TotalHours FROM ::: TblMainEntry,TblDetailEntry ::: ::: WHERE TblMainEntry.EmpID= ::: #GetEmployees.Employee_ID# ::: ::: AND tblDetailEntry.RecordDate= ::: to_date('#currentdate#','mm/dd/') ::: ::: AND tblMainEntry.MainID = TblDetailEntry.MainID ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: #GetHours.Employee_ID# #GetHours.TotalHours# ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ___- ::: ::: However, it picks up the first employee, runs through the ::: SQL statements ::: etc. and then never goes onto the second. ::: ::: Any idea why this is happening? ::: ::: I must be missing something really simple, but I can't ::: figure out what. ::: ::: -Angel ::: ::: ::: ::: __ ::: Why Share? ::: Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB ::: HD / 20 GB MO/XFER ::: Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup ::: http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc ::: FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq ::: Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ ::: Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Problems with looping
Looks like you are not reseting the value of CurrentDate. So it loops through first time until Current Date is not less than or eq to EndDate .. then when next employee comes up CurrentDate has not been reset so the condition is false and the loop never runs. Try something like this on the line above the loop: ::: -Original Message- ::: From: Kevin Bridges [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ::: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:59 AM ::: To: CF-Talk ::: Subject: RE: Problems with looping ::: ::: ::: Does: ::: ::: ::: ::: Evaluate to true for each employee? ::: ::: ::: -Original Message- ::: ::: From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ::: ::: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:02 AM ::: ::: To: CF-Talk ::: ::: Subject: Problems with looping ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: Hey all! ::: ::: ::: ::: Take a look at this code. ::: ::: ::: ::: The idea of course, is to loop through all the employees in ::: ::: the table ::: ::: and run a particular query against each employee. ::: ::: ::: ::: ___ ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: Select Employee_ID FROM Empl_General ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: Select SUM(RegHrs) AS TotalHours FROM ::: ::: TblMainEntry,TblDetailEntry ::: ::: ::: WHERE ::: TblMainEntry.EmpI= ::: ::: #GetEmployees.Employee_ID# ::: ::: ::: ::: AND :tblDetailEntry.RecordDat= ::: ::: to_date('#currentdate#','mm/dd/') ::: ::: ::: ::: AND tblMainEntry.MainID = ::: TblDetailEntry.MainID ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: #GetHours.Employee_ID# ::: #GetHours.TotalHours# ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ___- ::: ::: ::: ::: However, it picks up the first employee, runs through the ::: ::: SQL statements ::: ::: etc. and then never goes onto the second. ::: ::: ::: ::: Any idea why this is happening? ::: ::: ::: ::: I must be missing something really simple, but I can't ::: ::: figure out what. ::: ::: ::: ::: -Angel ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: __ ::: ::: Why Share? ::: ::: Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB ::: ::: HD / 20 GB MO/XFER ::: ::: Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup ::: ::: http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc ::: ::: FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq ::: ::: Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ ::: ::: Unsubscribe: ::: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists ::: ::: __ ::: Dedicated Windows 2000 Server ::: PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER ::: Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup ::: http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusiona ::: FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq ::: Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ ::: Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Browser Detection UDF
I just saw one in the exchange on macromedias site earlier today ... didn't download it though so have no opinion about it ... I think I searched for browser detect ::: -Original Message- ::: From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ::: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:55 PM ::: To: CF-Talk ::: Subject: Browser Detection UDF ::: ::: ::: Does anyone have a UDF that will detect the type and ::: version of a user's ::: browser? ::: ::: I checks CFLib.org and could not find one. I can probably ::: write one, but I ::: need the time to do it and it is outside of the domain of ::: the current ::: application I am working on. ::: ::: Russel ::: ::: __ ::: Why Share? ::: Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB ::: HD / 20 GB MO/XFER ::: Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup ::: http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc ::: FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq ::: Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ ::: Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists __ Why Share? Dedicated Win 2000 Server · PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pennyhost.com/redirect.cfm?adcode=coldfusionc FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Lost variables scope
Hi, I have am modifying a badly written mx6.1 system. I have a request.core Object that has methods that allow cfscript to use ... ie request.core.include( 'file.cfm' ) (cfinclude), request.core.dump( variables ) (cfdump); I have a segment of code that contains these lines: request.core.dump( variables ); request.core.include( '/Checkout/ordercomplete.cfm' ); When I dump the variables scope I see all of the variables I need, but the /Checkout/ordercomplete.cfm page does not see them. Placing request.core.dump( variables ); as the first line of /Checkout/ordercomplete.cfm produces a dump of the request.core object. Somehow the variables scope has been replaced. Anyone have any ideas why? Here are the functions being called: Best Regards, Kevin Bridges ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:207151 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Lost variables scope
The code I am working has survived several generations of developers and is a convoluted mess. I would love nothing more than to be able to properly scope the variables being used throughout the rest of the application. The original application developers (if you want to call them that) did not scope any variables and left that entirely to Cold Fusion to figure out. The volumes of bad code are staggering ... changing one item can cause a cascading series of errors. I do not have the option of properly scoping their variables. But at the same time, I would like to be able to call cf tag based functions in cfscript without scoping issues ... or at least have enough knowledge to overcome them (facilitates the rewrite we will be doing). Is it a good practice to place methods in the request scope? My CF has become a bit rusty ... how would I do that? Is there a more appropriate location to store these types of functions? Thanks Kevin Bridges S. Isaac Dealey wrote: >Hi Kevin, > >It sounds like you're suffering from a ... well... scoping variables >with cfc's is a little different. I'm told that at one point in time >it was recommended that you could use cfinclude within a CFC method >and the include would share variables with the CFC, but that hasn't >been the case at least since the beta of the first version of MX. >Since then the variables scope in your CFC is separate from the >variables scope of your calling page and afaik there's not a >good/convenient way to bridge that gap. In an OO purist sense this is >a good thing, because it preserves encapsulation... I would imagine >the easiest workaround for you is going to be to use the request scope >instead of the variables scope for data used by your included files. >Another alternative would be to make your include function not a part >of your core CFC. If the function is instead simply injected into the >request scope as for instance request.include() then it won't have its >own variables scope to be confused with the variables scopes of the >calling template or the template being included. > >hth > >s. isaac dealey 954.522.6080 >new epoch : isn't it time for a change? > > ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:207168 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54