RE: Oracle drivers (was: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..)
Oh, cool. Is there a big difference in the drivers? I'm assuming the DataDirect drivers work better but I'm guessing I could be wrong too? There are differences, although I'm not sure what they are, exactly. The DataDirect drivers may be better, but I suspect that depends on the specifics of your application. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223557 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Oracle drivers (was: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..)
The reason I ask is that we currently do some development for sites that use Oracle and are hosted on navy bases. We currently have a copy of CFMX 6 Enterprise just for that purpose. We're upgrading to 7 and I'm curious if we'd need to keep Enterprise or if we could use Standard and the Oracle drivers without much of hiccup. Obviously, I'm afraid of the differences and want to keep it close for moving from one server to the other without problems, but we use pretty standard syntax and don't use much of Oracle for all that it could be used for. Just basic database operations. Anyone do this sort of thing and have more info on the differences? John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 6:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Oracle drivers (was: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..) Oh, cool. Is there a big difference in the drivers? I'm assuming the DataDirect drivers work better but I'm guessing I could be wrong too? There are differences, although I'm not sure what they are, exactly. The DataDirect drivers may be better, but I suspect that depends on the specifics of your application. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223587 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Oracle drivers (was: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..)
On 11/8/05, Burns, John D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I ask is that we currently do some development for sites that use Oracle and are hosted on navy bases. We currently have a copy of CFMX 6 Enterprise just for that purpose. We're upgrading to 7 and I'm curious if we'd need to keep Enterprise or if we could use Standard and the Oracle drivers without much of hiccup. Obviously, I'm afraid of the differences and want to keep it close for moving from one server to the other without problems, but we use pretty standard syntax and don't use much of Oracle for all that it could be used for. Just basic database operations. Anyone do this sort of thing and have more info on the differences? If you're upgrading and you are on a maintenance plan, then the upgrade should be free. If you're not on a maintenance plan, there is an upgrade path that is much cheaper than buying a new license. I'd go that route first rather than changing over your driver set. There are indeed differences between the DataDirect and Oracle-distributed drivers. One difference that comes to mind that is cfprocresult doesn't work with the Oracle drivers if you're using any stored procs. There are indeed other differences, and you're likely to save yourself a ton of re-testing time (and money) by staying with Enterprise. Make sure you upgrade to the 3.5 driver set on Macromedia's site. Regards, Dave. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223595 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Wouldn't you also need CF Enterprise to connect to the oracle database? I can't remember, but I thought someone told me that before. I only use CF Standard. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Actually your cash outlay for Oracle is zero. Oracle 10G Express just came out and its free. As someone pointed out to me the other day, it's still in beta. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223409 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
*n*x guys can't use access from my understanding. John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. never mind. googled ADO and had the answer in 2 shakes. If ADO is an automatically-installed part of a Windows system, I wonder then how the *n*x guys get Access connectivity. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223410 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Wouldn't you also need CF Enterprise to connect to the oracle database? I can't remember, but I thought someone told me that before. I only use CF Standard. Only Enterprise comes with Oracle drivers from DataDirect, but you can download and use Oracle's own JDBC drivers with CFMX Standard. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223411 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Oh, cool. Is there a big difference in the drivers? I'm assuming the DataDirect drivers work better but I'm guessing I could be wrong too? John Burns Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Wouldn't you also need CF Enterprise to connect to the oracle database? I can't remember, but I thought someone told me that before. I only use CF Standard. Only Enterprise comes with Oracle drivers from DataDirect, but you can download and use Oracle's own JDBC drivers with CFMX Standard. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223412 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Can we change this subject line now? It's been going for over a week now and has NO bearing on Rumors from Max any longer. !//-- andy matthews web developer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223417 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
On 11/4/05, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think the MS Access w/Unicode driver is native. It talks to ADO instead of ODBC. The driver class is com.inzoom.jdbcado.Driver: Curious. So strictly speaking is ADO just the same horse painted over, so to speak? Not familiar with it. I've got a client who was going thru hell with the plain driver version and we cured some stability issues (the server crashed, now it doesn't) solely by switching the drivers. A band-aid until we can get those db's moved over to SQL Server. As an aside I had quite a few Access db's at the time I switched over to 6.1. Using the Unicode drivers, I never had a lick of trouble with any of them. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223325 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
never mind. googled ADO and had the answer in 2 shakes. If ADO is an automatically-installed part of a Windows system, I wonder then how the *n*x guys get Access connectivity. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223326 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Matt Robertson wrote: As an aside I had quite a few Access db's at the time I switched over to 6.1. Using the Unicode drivers, I never had a lick of trouble with any of them. of course, unicode is the cure for all your ailments ;-) but be careful w/that jadozoom driver, it has it's own quirks such as it's own set of reserved words. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223356 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
On 11/5/05, Paul Hastings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: of course, unicode is the cure for all your ailments ;-) but be careful w/that jadozoom driver, it has it's own quirks such as it's own set of reserved words. Hey Paul... where you been hiding? Yeah I've noticed the quirk o' the reserved wordage. Been bit on that more than once, Cussed it more than twice, but by and large I catch it before more than too many users download something :-) -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223361 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
No, wasn't Heaven's Gate the last decent movie Warren Beatty ever made? Warren Beatty is a CF user? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223182 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
That was a scandalous comment, but I have to agree with him. If CF didn't make the move to Java when it did, I doubt it would have the market penetration it does today. (At least speaking from the federal government perspective) -Adam On 11/2/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel -Original Message- From: Stephen Cassady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 5:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. (1) Full Open Source would be bad: who would pay to keep Ben's beard well trimmed? (2) If there is a movement to Open Source CF, then I would suggest the following: a) Standard becomes Free. Does almost everything. b) Enterprise remains cost, but drops in price (I would keep paying for that) c) the Split between Standard and Enterprise is handled the same way Red Hat handles their free and non-free code. They get paid for advanced versions, which keeps a development team, and those features move down into the free version. d) I'm totally excited about Adobe + ColdFusion: a platform for them to continue their push of web-changing technology, more resources, an even better brand name from recognition and acceptance, a wide group of people to market to. I think there is powerful synergy. e) Full open source = slowed development of platform and the inability to do what they did between 5 and 6 (which was needed to save the product) - open source could never muster the time, talent, costs, or (most importantly) the political consensus to make such a major change to a product. Stephen Cassady I still like my ColdFusion very much thank you. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223187 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223188 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
So forget about the java improvements. The fact that everything is exposed in structs now is worth its weight in gold. I'm moving over my last CF 5 server to CF 7 within the next few days. I can't wait to be able to do proper debugging with halfway decent diagnostics. Never had any connectivity issues with db's. If anything they work better. Sure you have to remake the odbc connections into jdbc. Never had a problem with SQL, mySQL or Access. You have to add Oracle drivers but thats not the end of the world. Then there's the U word. And the acronym CFC is similarly telling. Hey if you think CF5 is It, stay there. But you're sitting on a dead-end platform and its going to slowly become increasingly more difficult to drop in software from the community as people drop CF5 compatibility. I'm doing that with my next product release. Its time. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223192 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223194 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. which would be never in my own personal experience running a CFMX server I mean, since we're being all anecdotal and stuff... ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223196 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Yes, perhaps he lives in a parallel dimension where everything is opposite our reality. CF5... stable... that was a joke right? -Adam On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223197 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Umm, We actually support both CF5 and CFMX in our environment. Both are pretty stable for what they do. But things like CFCs in CFMX do make life a whole lot easier. George On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223200 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
CF 6+ only sucked until I got my house in order, codewise. Now the only time I need to restart/reboot is when MS introduces a new security patch. I've got a client that moved from CF5 to 6.1 just a couple months ago (they had an unused Enterprise license already and didn't want to pay for 7) and they were going thru the MX sucks what up phase until I went in and tweaked the server settings back to reality, moved a couple of Access db's to SQL Server and hunted up some silly code. Nobody ever wants to hear its their own fault but time after time you see buggy servers made that way by suboptimal code and setup. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223204 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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dude, 7 is the bomb and i dont know how else to say it. and do this, stay on 5, so that when we are on scorpio we can laugh even louder. :) jk really, but seriously, i would def. make the upgrade WAYY worth it. tw On 11/4/05, Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CF 6+ only sucked until I got my house in order, codewise. Now the only time I need to restart/reboot is when MS introduces a new security patch. I've got a client that moved from CF5 to 6.1 just a couple months ago (they had an unused Enterprise license already and didn't want to pay for 7) and they were going thru the MX sucks what up phase until I went in and tweaked the server settings back to reality, moved a couple of Access db's to SQL Server and hunted up some silly code. Nobody ever wants to hear its their own fault but time after time you see buggy servers made that way by suboptimal code and setup. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223206 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Thanks guys. I really do appreciate the input as to why go to CF7. I have all my sites hosted at places that support cf5 only and I guess I will have to dl the developer CF7 if it's available and try it on my Laptop to get up to speed. I have a lot of my stuff using providex odbc Drivers for some clients that have MAS90 Accounting software and therein Lies my reluctance as I do not have any experience switching to a java version If one exists. Terry -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 10:08 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. CF 6+ only sucked until I got my house in order, codewise. Now the only time I need to restart/reboot is when MS introduces a new security patch. I've got a client that moved from CF5 to 6.1 just a couple months ago (they had an unused Enterprise license already and didn't want to pay for 7) and they were going thru the MX sucks what up phase until I went in and tweaked the server settings back to reality, moved a couple of Access db's to SQL Server and hunted up some silly code. Nobody ever wants to hear its their own fault but time after time you see buggy servers made that way by suboptimal code and setup. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223219 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Russ -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Yes, perhaps he lives in a parallel dimension where everything is opposite our reality. CF5... stable... that was a joke right? -Adam On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223221 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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lets see. access cf5 what stone is it that you reside under? sql server and cfmx7 = the way the light and the truth! tw On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Russ -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Yes, perhaps he lives in a parallel dimension where everything is opposite our reality. CF5... stable... that was a joke right? -Adam On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223222 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I think that likely has more to do with the database drivers than CF itself. If a site is getting so much traffic that its access DB is causing problems, it may be time to move up to MSDE or SQL Server. -Justin -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Russ -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Yes, perhaps he lives in a parallel dimension where everything is opposite our reality. CF5... stable... that was a joke right? -Adam On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223223 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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You need to run Oracle. We have problems with some sites we migrated from CF5 to MX6.1 Our problem is related to something that should never been done with CF in the first place but it was done and makes it hard to argue against it after so much time. Both of them have to deal with pulling down large chunks of data then parsing over that and doing inserts. After a lot of trial and error though we have managed to at least make it work in MX On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Russ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223224 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Tony, A lot of people still use CF5, and almost all our customers CF5 or CFMX or whatever use Access. This is of course their choice and has nothing to do with me or anyone else being under a rock. Russ -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 17:15 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. lets see. access cf5 what stone is it that you reside under? sql server and cfmx7 = the way the light and the truth! tw On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Russ -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Yes, perhaps he lives in a parallel dimension where everything is opposite our reality. CF5... stable... that was a joke right? -Adam On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223225 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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If you know how to concince all the Access users to do that, I am open to suggestions, because they don't listen to me. Russ -Original Message- From: Justin D. Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 17:12 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. I think that likely has more to do with the database drivers than CF itself. If a site is getting so much traffic that its access DB is causing problems, it may be time to move up to MSDE or SQL Server. -Justin -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Russ -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Yes, perhaps he lives in a parallel dimension where everything is opposite our reality. CF5... stable... that was a joke right? -Adam On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223226 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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NEED Like my wife NEEDS new shoes. To date I have done just fine with SQL Server and haven't found a NEED to spend £50k on Oracle. Russ -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 17:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. You need to run Oracle. We have problems with some sites we migrated from CF5 to MX6.1 Our problem is related to something that should never been done with CF in the first place but it was done and makes it hard to argue against it after so much time. Both of them have to deal with pulling down large chunks of data then parsing over that and doing inserts. After a lot of trial and error though we have managed to at least make it work in MX On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Russ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223227 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Are you using the MS Access with Unicode Support drivers? Or are you using the MS Access drivers? If you are using the latter, you are making a bridge to ODBC from JDBC and back again. Very much more overhead and, as per MM best practice, ODBC bridges should not be used in a production environment on CF6+ due to the overhead it introduces. The 'unicode support' drivers, on the other hand, are native. Wouldn't surprise me to learn that they leave behind the memory leaks that Access ODBC gifted to the world. The difference between the two drivers may wind up being only that one works right under load and the other doesn't. However I have seen one instance where searches didn't return the same results and the customer had to fall back to ODBC and suffer. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223229 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Actuallyyour cash outlay for Oracle is zero. Oracle 10G Express just came out and its free. However it sounds like you're an ISP and I doubt you're going to find much use for it if your environment is shared-server mom-and-pop web sites running access. Try the native Access drivers if you haven;'t already gone there. That usually solves people's problems, and if you've already done that, you mentioned people using too many connections. In the bad old days of CF4+ the connection limit was recommended to be 7 to keep Access from frying. I'd go there next. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223230 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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That can be used for hosting prod websites? I figured it could but been too lazy to read up on it. On 11/4/05, Matt Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actuallyyour cash outlay for Oracle is zero. Oracle 10G Express just came out and its free. However it sounds like you're an ISP and I doubt you're going to find much use for it if your environment is shared-server mom-and-pop web sites running access. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223232 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I think the solution to that is to allow at most one single connection to an Access Db. Mikey used to run this on Access, (I'm not sure if he switched or not) and he had a lot of success doing so. Using Access is fine, that's why there's a driver for it. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Russ -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Yes, perhaps he lives in a parallel dimension where everything is opposite our reality. CF5... stable... that was a joke right? -Adam On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223233 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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No I have not used the unicode drivers, so would not suffer form the problems you specify. I have setup using that driver a couple of times, and things just didn't work properly. Russ -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 17:35 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Are you using the MS Access with Unicode Support drivers? Or are you using the MS Access drivers? If you are using the latter, you are making a bridge to ODBC from JDBC and back again. Very much more overhead and, as per MM best practice, ODBC bridges should not be used in a production environment on CF6+ due to the overhead it introduces. The 'unicode support' drivers, on the other hand, are native. Wouldn't surprise me to learn that they leave behind the memory leaks that Access ODBC gifted to the world. The difference between the two drivers may wind up being only that one works right under load and the other doesn't. However I have seen one instance where searches didn't return the same results and the customer had to fall back to ODBC and suffer. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223237 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I have actually tried that, doesn't appear to help. -Original Message- From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 17:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. I think the solution to that is to allow at most one single connection to an Access Db. Mikey used to run this on Access, (I'm not sure if he switched or not) and he had a lot of success doing so. Using Access is fine, that's why there's a driver for it. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Russ -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:58 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Yes, perhaps he lives in a parallel dimension where everything is opposite our reality. CF5... stable... that was a joke right? -Adam On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps because his CF5 server is stable and doesn't fallover nearly as much as CFMX. -Original Message- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 15:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. If you can't see a reason to move to MX from 5, then you may be hoplessly lost. -Adam On 11/3/05, Terry Troxel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223238 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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You can use the free version of Oracle XE. XE = eXtreme Edition! (well not really, but it sounds cooler) -Adam On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NEED Like my wife NEEDS new shoes. To date I have done just fine with SQL Server and haven't found a NEED to spend £50k on Oracle. Russ -Original Message- From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 17:23 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. You need to run Oracle. We have problems with some sites we migrated from CF5 to MX6.1 Our problem is related to something that should never been done with CF in the first place but it was done and makes it hard to argue against it after so much time. Both of them have to deal with pulling down large chunks of data then parsing over that and doing inserts. After a lot of trial and error though we have managed to at least make it work in MX On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our CF5 server needs restarting much less often than the CFMX servers. Whenever a site using an Access databases gets a lot of traffic and overloads the database with too many connections, CFMX just falls over. CF5 doesn't. Russ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223242 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I have not used the unicode drivers, so would not suffer form the problems you specify. I have setup using that driver a couple of times, and things just didn't work properly. Actually the problems I referenced are all native to the drivers YOU are using. The Unicode ones are the ones that work right. If you aren't throttling your connections to Access I would say that is definitely bad. Couple that to a throttling of CF itself would probably make it more survivable but a lesser performer (i.e. reduce the number of concurrent threads). Then also reduce the amount of time before CF considers something 'timed out'. I think the default is 90 seconds, which means you would be allowing a 90,000 ms process to execute. But in a shared environment with basically no quality control on the programmers uploading their select*fromgigatable order by unindexed_field , where you allow stuff like old Access db's whose data doesn't support Unicode You're pretty well screwed. But thats not CF's fault. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223251 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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As I said, have tried the unicode drivers, so a lot of stuff doesn't appear to work for clients. A generic problem Is that If the Access DB has a password, this just causes mayhem. I have throttled all access db's to 1 connection, and it makes no difference. Russ -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 November 2005 19:25 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. On 11/4/05, Snake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I have not used the unicode drivers, so would not suffer form the problems you specify. I have setup using that driver a couple of times, and things just didn't work properly. Actually the problems I referenced are all native to the drivers YOU are using. The Unicode ones are the ones that work right. If you aren't throttling your connections to Access I would say that is definitely bad. Couple that to a throttling of CF itself would probably make it more survivable but a lesser performer (i.e. reduce the number of concurrent threads). Then also reduce the amount of time before CF considers something 'timed out'. I think the default is 90 seconds, which means you would be allowing a 90,000 ms process to execute. But in a shared environment with basically no quality control on the programmers uploading their select*fromgigatable order by unindexed_field , where you allow stuff like old Access db's whose data doesn't support Unicode You're pretty well screwed. But thats not CF's fault. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223264 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Speaking of drivers - we have a client that insists on using dbase on their web server (part of a legacy app that they want ported to the web). We're trying to get them away from using dbase as I've seen dbase ODBC completely stop responding. I used to have links to information confirming this but have since lost them. Does anyone have any info that I can use to get the off of the idea of using dbase on a web server? Thanks, Howie --- On Friday, November 04, 2005 3:09 PM, Snake scribed: --- As I said, have tried the unicode drivers, so a lot of stuff doesn't appear to work for clients. A generic problem Is that If the Access DB has a password, this just causes mayhem. I have throttled all access db's to 1 connection, and it makes no difference. Russ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223271 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Are you using the MS Access with Unicode Support drivers? Or are you using the MS Access drivers? If you are using the latter, you are making a bridge to ODBC from JDBC and back again. Very much more overhead and, as per MM best practice, ODBC bridges should not be used in a production environment on CF6+ due to the overhead it introduces. The 'unicode support' drivers, on the other hand, are native. Wouldn't surprise me to learn that they leave behind the memory leaks that Access ODBC gifted to the world. I don't think the MS Access w/Unicode driver is native. It talks to ADO instead of ODBC. The driver class is com.inzoom.jdbcado.Driver: http://archives.java.sun.com/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0204L=servlet-interestF=S=; P=95311 And as far as I can tell, it hasn't been updated since 2002. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223313 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Actually your cash outlay for Oracle is zero. Oracle 10G Express just came out and its free. As someone pointed out to me the other day, it's still in beta. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223314 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223021 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
From my personal experience I have to say that the help support offered by Bluedragon is second to none, the willingness and eagerness to help is a total breath of fresh air. Regardless of whether Coldfusion goes open source or not I for one prefer to know that there is someone 'from the company' available for help. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223031 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
macromedians are more prevalent than you might think. i have NEVER had a moment, where i couldnt get up with at least one of them. now thats cool. tony On 11/3/05, Andy McShane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my personal experience I have to say that the help support offered by Bluedragon is second to none, the willingness and eagerness to help is a total breath of fresh air. Regardless of whether Coldfusion goes open source or not I for one prefer to know that there is someone 'from the company' available for help. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223032 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
what exactly are we talking about here? Mike -Original Message- From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max... macromedians are more prevalent than you might think. i have NEVER had a moment, where i couldnt get up with at least one of them. now thats cool. tony On 11/3/05, Andy McShane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my personal experience I have to say that the help support offered by Bluedragon is second to none, the willingness and eagerness to help is a total breath of fresh air. Regardless of whether Coldfusion goes open source or not I for one prefer to know that there is someone 'from the company' available for help. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223034 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On Wednesday 02 November 2005 23:23, Stephen Cassady wrote: (1) Full Open Source would be bad: who would pay to keep Ben's beard well trimmed? Plenty of people have very well paid jobs writing in free languages. b) Enterprise remains cost, but drops in price (I would keep paying for that) Amen. c) the Split between Standard and Enterprise is handled the same way Red Hat handles their free and non-free code. They get paid for advanced versions, which keeps a development team, and those features move down into the free version. Actually, RedHat AS lags behind Fedora Core. e) Full open source = slowed development of platform and the inability to Not sure how you got the one from the other there. do what they did between 5 and 6 (which was needed to save the product) - So ? It's been done now. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223035 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
what exactly are we talking about here? Not really sure...weren't the Macromedians those people in San Diego that had the website and all wore Nikes when they committed mass suicide? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223043 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I think that was the littleendians... On 11/3/05, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what exactly are we talking about here? Not really sure...weren't the Macromedians those people in San Diego that had the website and all wore Nikes when they committed mass suicide? ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223044 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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umm no I believe that was the local .net user groups after the latest broken patch was released by their god (m$), was the patch that broke their backs I guess, pity really ~Dave the disruptor~ Some people just don't appreciate how difficult it is to dispense wisdom and abuse at the same time. From: Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:38 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max... what exactly are we talking about here? Not really sure...weren't the Macromedians those people in San Diego that had the website and all wore Nikes when they committed mass suicide? ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223048 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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That was Heaven's Gate. And they lived in Rancho Santa Fe. http://www.slate.com/id/2583/ I think that was the littleendians... On 11/3/05, Jeff Small [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what exactly are we talking about here? Not really sure...weren't the Macromedians those people in San Diego that had the website and all wore Nikes when they committed mass suicide? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223139 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
No, wasn't Heaven's Gate the last decent movie Warren Beatty ever made? On 11/3/05, Robert Munn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was Heaven's Gate. And they lived in Rancho Santa Fe. http://www.slate.com/id/2583/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223145 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
If you are basically a scripter why would you think a move to java is A good thing, especially with all the problems it seems come up with The java odbc conectivity issues and the ms breaking my java setup. I love CF5 and just am reluctant to go to 6.1 or 7. C'mon guys convince me. Terry -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:13 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel I think he's referring to the move to Java. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:223150 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
I have never been a big fan of open source, I always preferred having a company to call for support. But that possibility vanished with Allaire. Since MM owned CF, you have to get out your creditcard just to speak to anyone. You then have to prove that your problem is due to problem with CF or a bug, and it's not your own stupidity if you do not want to get charged hundreds of dollars. There is no email support from Macromedia, you have to ask the community. So really, CF may as well be open source for all the difference it would make. I really want to find time to spend with Blue Dragon, because New Atlanta are more like Allaire, and at least you actually get support from them. -- Russ -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 November 2005 16:39 To: CF-Talk Subject: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max... Seriously. Do we really need to have a bunch of retarded posts about the demise of ColdFusionAGAIN! Hmm..I actually didn't see it as the demise of ColdFusion...I thought it sounded like a really great idea. Take something that's had the benefit of years of company development and solidity, and open it up to the rest of the community? Make money off the development front end (Dreamweaver, Studio, Flex) and use the free back end to power it all? Sounded pretty cool to me. I didn't *even* think of it as the demise of ColdFusion. I mean, imagine if ISPs simply were able to install CF on whatever server they had and there was no charge? Remember, it's just a server product. There are a bunch of other server products that do pretty much the same thing (middleware) and they don't cost a dime. I think one of the main stumbling blocks in developing CF stuff is that you have to go find yourself a CF host, or buy yourself a copy of the software and maintain a server yourself. If it was something that anyone could get and install and run, I think you'd see a LOT more hosts offering it as just a standard server/hosting product, similar to the way PHP and MySQL are pretty much offered by *every* host on the planet. I think it'd rule. I don't have much confidence in Adobe in the middleware server space...call me skeptical. I just think the community has better vision than Adobe might have in terms of what may be best for the software going forward. It sure seems like they haven't been promoting it as a complimentary technology alongside of Flex like they *should* be... And yeah, it should've been posted to Community. I started typing and the autocomplete just filled it in without me paying attention, sorry. If you want to move it over there, I certainly understand. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222926 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
I can deploy .NET or PHP for how much? Zip... zero... Nadda. The cost of the server is the only real hurdle that stops CF from overtaking the web development world. And you're right about support in that it's too many levels before anything truly helpful come to light. Cheers, Kevin -Original Message- From: Snake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: November 2, 2005 12:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max... I have never been a big fan of open source, I always preferred having a company to call for support. But that possibility vanished with Allaire. Since MM owned CF, you have to get out your creditcard just to speak to anyone. You then have to prove that your problem is due to problem with CF or a bug, and it's not your own stupidity if you do not want to get charged hundreds of dollars. There is no email support from Macromedia, you have to ask the community. So really, CF may as well be open source for all the difference it would make. I really want to find time to spend with Blue Dragon, because New Atlanta are more like Allaire, and at least you actually get support from them. -- Russ -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 November 2005 16:39 To: CF-Talk Subject: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max... Seriously. Do we really need to have a bunch of retarded posts about the demise of ColdFusionAGAIN! Hmm..I actually didn't see it as the demise of ColdFusion...I thought it sounded like a really great idea. Take something that's had the benefit of years of company development and solidity, and open it up to the rest of the community? Make money off the development front end (Dreamweaver, Studio, Flex) and use the free back end to power it all? Sounded pretty cool to me. I didn't *even* think of it as the demise of ColdFusion. I mean, imagine if ISPs simply were able to install CF on whatever server they had and there was no charge? Remember, it's just a server product. There are a bunch of other server products that do pretty much the same thing (middleware) and they don't cost a dime. I think one of the main stumbling blocks in developing CF stuff is that you have to go find yourself a CF host, or buy yourself a copy of the software and maintain a server yourself. If it was something that anyone could get and install and run, I think you'd see a LOT more hosts offering it as just a standard server/hosting product, similar to the way PHP and MySQL are pretty much offered by *every* host on the planet. I think it'd rule. I don't have much confidence in Adobe in the middleware server space...call me skeptical. I just think the community has better vision than Adobe might have in terms of what may be best for the software going forward. It sure seems like they haven't been promoting it as a complimentary technology alongside of Flex like they *should* be... And yeah, it should've been posted to Community. I started typing and the autocomplete just filled it in without me paying attention, sorry. If you want to move it over there, I certainly understand. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222949 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
What concerns me with respect to taking this route is the development path of the product. ColdFusion Application Server would be one hell of a big sourceforge project. Yeah I know linux did it, but there would have to be a sizable brain trust commitment from corporations to keep the CF platform moving forward. I don't see that happening with volunteer work. -- --mattRobertson-- Janitor, MSB Web Systems mysecretbase.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222969 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
[SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
(1) Full Open Source would be bad: who would pay to keep Ben's beard well trimmed? (2) If there is a movement to Open Source CF, then I would suggest the following: a) Standard becomes Free. Does almost everything. b) Enterprise remains cost, but drops in price (I would keep paying for that) c) the Split between Standard and Enterprise is handled the same way Red Hat handles their free and non-free code. They get paid for advanced versions, which keeps a development team, and those features move down into the free version. d) I'm totally excited about Adobe + ColdFusion: a platform for them to continue their push of web-changing technology, more resources, an even better brand name from recognition and acceptance, a wide group of people to market to. I think there is powerful synergy. e) Full open source = slowed development of platform and the inability to do what they did between 5 and 6 (which was needed to save the product) - open source could never muster the time, talent, costs, or (most importantly) the political consensus to make such a major change to a product. Stephen Cassady I still like my ColdFusion very much thank you. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222987 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Ben's beard well trimmed? Was it ever well trimmed? I missed that ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222988 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max..
Why exactly was CFMX6 needed to save the product from CF5, if that's what you meant? Just curious as I am still in love with 5.0 Terry Troxel -Original Message- From: Stephen Cassady [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 5:23 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max.. (1) Full Open Source would be bad: who would pay to keep Ben's beard well trimmed? (2) If there is a movement to Open Source CF, then I would suggest the following: a) Standard becomes Free. Does almost everything. b) Enterprise remains cost, but drops in price (I would keep paying for that) c) the Split between Standard and Enterprise is handled the same way Red Hat handles their free and non-free code. They get paid for advanced versions, which keeps a development team, and those features move down into the free version. d) I'm totally excited about Adobe + ColdFusion: a platform for them to continue their push of web-changing technology, more resources, an even better brand name from recognition and acceptance, a wide group of people to market to. I think there is powerful synergy. e) Full open source = slowed development of platform and the inability to do what they did between 5 and 6 (which was needed to save the product) - open source could never muster the time, talent, costs, or (most importantly) the political consensus to make such a major change to a product. Stephen Cassady I still like my ColdFusion very much thank you. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222989 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: [SPAM : 8.1] Re: Rumors from Max...
What concerns me with respect to taking this route is the development path of the product. ColdFusion Application Server would be one hell of a big sourceforge project. Yeah I know linux did it, but there would have to be a sizable brain trust commitment from corporations to keep the CF platform moving forward. I don't see that happening with volunteer work. The problem is that CF contains a lot of third party code such as Verity, DataDirect (DB drivers), Greenpoint(chart stuff), RSA Data Security and Zion Software (JBuddy - gateway). This is just the proprietary code - not third party open source software used. I have a hard time believing that CF would go open source just because of that. Ref: http://www.macromedia.com/software/eula/third_party/coldfusion/ Best, ...Peter Maestro Publishing ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:222996 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
