Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Andrew Not sure if you you solved this or not... IIRC, gmail/google apps mail also has a rate limit in addition to daily mails per account limit - if you exceed some number of emails per minute it starts rejecting mail. Some number was sometimes different in my tests, but it hovered around 60-80 emails per minute. I had to add sleep() timeouts to throttle the sending - I think I ended up with 2 seconds of sleep after each email and that seemed to work. Azadi On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 05:41, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: This is a ColdFusion 8 server, and not all mail is having this problem, as it appears that any email that is sent without the from or to address contains the name of the email account it is being sent from. I am sort of think it is a relay issue, or something but can't seem to find anything that is leading me in the right direction. Google has been of no help in finding an answer either. This is what is showing up in the logs Error,scheduler-1,08/31/11,07:32:14,,Exception reading response javax.mail.MessagingException: Exception reading response; nested exception is: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.readServerResponse(SMTPTransport.java:1462) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.openServer(SMTPTransport.java:1260) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.protocolConnect(SMTPTransport.java:370) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:275) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.getConnection(MailSpooler.java:994) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.deliver(MailSpooler.java:832) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.sendMail(MailSpooler.java:753) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.deliverStandard(MailSpooler.java:1070) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.run(MailSpooler.java:1035) at coldfusion.scheduling.ThreadPool.run(ThreadPool.java:201) at coldfusion.scheduling.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:71) Caused by: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out at java.net.SocketInputStream.socketRead0(Native Method) at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(SocketInputStream.java:129) at com.sun.mail.util.TraceInputStream.read(TraceInputStream.java:97) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.fill(BufferedInputStream.java:218) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(BufferedInputStream.java:237) at com.sun.mail.util.LineInputStream.readLine(LineInputStream.java:75) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.readServerResponse(SMTPTransport.java:1440) -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347428 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
a cheap solution for bulk email is www.sendgrid.com which solves all your worries, We are working on a CFML application that wraps around their API to create CF based bulk mailing solution. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Azadi Saryev azadi.sar...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew Not sure if you you solved this or not... IIRC, gmail/google apps mail also has a rate limit in addition to daily mails per account limit - if you exceed some number of emails per minute it starts rejecting mail. Some number was sometimes different in my tests, but it hovered around 60-80 emails per minute. I had to add sleep() timeouts to throttle the sending - I think I ended up with 2 seconds of sleep after each email and that seemed to work. Azadi On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 05:41, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: This is a ColdFusion 8 server, and not all mail is having this problem, as it appears that any email that is sent without the from or to address contains the name of the email account it is being sent from. I am sort of think it is a relay issue, or something but can't seem to find anything that is leading me in the right direction. Google has been of no help in finding an answer either. This is what is showing up in the logs Error,scheduler-1,08/31/11,07:32:14,,Exception reading response javax.mail.MessagingException: Exception reading response; nested exception is: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.readServerResponse(SMTPTransport.java:1462) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.openServer(SMTPTransport.java:1260) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.protocolConnect(SMTPTransport.java:370) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:275) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.getConnection(MailSpooler.java:994) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.deliver(MailSpooler.java:832) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.sendMail(MailSpooler.java:753) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.deliverStandard(MailSpooler.java:1070) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.run(MailSpooler.java:1035) at coldfusion.scheduling.ThreadPool.run(ThreadPool.java:201) at coldfusion.scheduling.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:71) Caused by: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out at java.net.SocketInputStream.socketRead0(Native Method) at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(SocketInputStream.java:129) at com.sun.mail.util.TraceInputStream.read(TraceInputStream.java:97) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.fill(BufferedInputStream.java:218) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(BufferedInputStream.java:237) at com.sun.mail.util.LineInputStream.readLine(LineInputStream.java:75) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.readServerResponse(SMTPTransport.java:1440) -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347430 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Thanks Azadi, I have moved this part of the system to another dedicated email server that is controlled by me now. Which now seems to be working great, but I will keep that in mind for the future. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Azadi Saryev azadi.sar...@gmail.comwrote: Andrew Not sure if you you solved this or not... IIRC, gmail/google apps mail also has a rate limit in addition to daily mails per account limit - if you exceed some number of emails per minute it starts rejecting mail. Some number was sometimes different in my tests, but it hovered around 60-80 emails per minute. I had to add sleep() timeouts to throttle the sending - I think I ended up with 2 seconds of sleep after each email and that seemed to work. Azadi ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347431 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Well that is expensive when you compare that our solution is actually free. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: a cheap solution for bulk email is www.sendgrid.com which solves all your worries, We are working on a CFML application that wraps around their API to create CF based bulk mailing solution. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347432 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: a cheap solution for bulk email is www.sendgrid.com which solves all your worries, We are working on a CFML application that wraps around their API to create CF based bulk mailing solution. I has a conversation with someone last week who'd recommended against SendGrid in favor of MailGun. Your milage may vary. http://mailgun.net/ -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347433 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
that would depend. If you are purely talking about the cost to send the email then yes. But are you taking into consideration the time you need to spend to actually provide the same service that companies like sendgrid do. setting up relationships with DNSBL lists and spam databases, all the major ISP's and mail providers such as gmail, yahoo, hotmail etc, monitoring these systems for blocks against your IP or domains, removing the blocks. If you just setup a mail server and start blasting out large quantities of email without a care in the world, then in all likely hood large quantities of your emails are probably not going to be delivered in the long term. Russ On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well that is expensive when you compare that our solution is actually free. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:56 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: a cheap solution for bulk email is www.sendgrid.com which solves all your worries, We are working on a CFML application that wraps around their API to create CF based bulk mailing solution. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347434 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
indeed there are many such companies out there, different people will have different experiences, you will find varied reviews of them all on google. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: a cheap solution for bulk email is www.sendgrid.com which solves all your worries, We are working on a CFML application that wraps around their API to create CF based bulk mailing solution. I has a conversation with someone last week who'd recommended against SendGrid in favor of MailGun. Your milage may vary. http://mailgun.net/ -Cameron -- Cameron Childress -- p: 678.637.5072 im: cameroncf facebook http://www.facebook.com/cameroncf | twitterhttp://twitter.com/cameronc | google+ https://profiles.google.com/u/0/117829379451708140985 ... ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347435 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Russ, I don't wish to get into a heavy debate on this, and as the campaigns that are being sent are by subscription all those issues you have pointed out become mute. Now for someone else then this might be something that they could consider. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: that would depend. If you are purely talking about the cost to send the email then yes. But are you taking into consideration the time you need to spend to actually provide the same service that companies like sendgrid do. setting up relationships with DNSBL lists and spam databases, all the major ISP's and mail providers such as gmail, yahoo, hotmail etc, monitoring these systems for blocks against your IP or domains, removing the blocks. If you just setup a mail server and start blasting out large quantities of email without a care in the world, then in all likely hood large quantities of your emails are probably not going to be delivered in the long term. Russ ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347439 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
start here http://www.wireshark.org/docs/ create a filter to watch only the SMTP traffic send some emails, until 1 fails. Then compare the traffic for the failed email to the working emails and see what the difference was. Did gmail respond in the same way, or did it in fact send a rejection message or something. This should them tell you whether the failure is at the gmail end or your end. On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Ok had to install wireshark, as it started happening again. So what specifically do I need to do to see what I need to see. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Wireshark certainly is daunting, but if you start reading the guide it will start to make sense. All you really need to do is set it monitoring, send the email from CF that gets stuck, and look at the traffic that resulted, it will show you the conversation between the 2 servers and if Google did reject the connection, it should show you that. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347224 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Ok had to install wireshark, as it started happening again. So what specifically do I need to do to see what I need to see. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: Wireshark certainly is daunting, but if you start reading the guide it will start to make sense. All you really need to do is set it monitoring, send the email from CF that gets stuck, and look at the traffic that resulted, it will show you the conversation between the 2 servers and if Google did reject the connection, it should show you that. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347223 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Thanks Billy, that was my intial reaction. As I had come across that post about the SPF and mail limits etc before. Which is why I thought it might have been a relay issue to begin with, because the mail is not actually sent using accounts email address. It is sent through that account, and sort of made sense that it might be seen as spam. But we are not seeing anything other than the logs in ColdFusion, I have added the SPF records just out of curiosity to see if this might help. But I am not 100% sure that will fix it, will have to wait and see. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com wrote: If you can send email, then you haven't hit the limit. Have you identified any patterns (size, to, from, cc, etc) on the messages that are unsuccessful? Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347156 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
My experience has been that it automatically overwrites the from address to the specified, but I only deal with that in development. (Perhaps that behavior has changed recently) Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Andrew Scott wrote: Thanks Billy, that was my intial reaction. As I had come across that post about the SPF and mail limits etc before. Which is why I thought it might have been a relay issue to begin with, because the mail is not actually sent using accounts email address. It is sent through that account, and sort of made sense that it might be seen as spam. But we are not seeing anything other than the logs in ColdFusion, I have added the SPF records just out of curiosity to see if this might help. But I am not 100% sure that will fix it, will have to wait and see. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com wrote: If you can send email, then you haven't hit the limit. Have you identified any patterns (size, to, from, cc, etc) on the messages that are unsuccessful? Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347157 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Well I went looking through the mail box, and there are emails there that have been sent. So it looks like it is being selective, but not sure why... On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com wrote: My experience has been that it automatically overwrites the from address to the specified, but I only deal with that in development. (Perhaps that behavior has changed recently) Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Andrew Scott wrote: Thanks Billy, that was my intial reaction. As I had come across that post about the SPF and mail limits etc before. Which is why I thought it might have been a relay issue to begin with, because the mail is not actually sent using accounts email address. It is sent through that account, and sort of made sense that it might be seen as spam. But we are not seeing anything other than the logs in ColdFusion, I have added the SPF records just out of curiosity to see if this might help. But I am not 100% sure that will fix it, will have to wait and see. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com wrote: If you can send email, then you haven't hit the limit. Have you identified any patterns (size, to, from, cc, etc) on the messages that are unsuccessful? Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347158 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
did you try wireshark? On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Well I went looking through the mail box, and there are emails there that have been sent. So it looks like it is being selective, but not sure why... On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com wrote: My experience has been that it automatically overwrites the from address to the specified, but I only deal with that in development. (Perhaps that behavior has changed recently) Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Andrew Scott wrote: Thanks Billy, that was my intial reaction. As I had come across that post about the SPF and mail limits etc before. Which is why I thought it might have been a relay issue to begin with, because the mail is not actually sent using accounts email address. It is sent through that account, and sort of made sense that it might be seen as spam. But we are not seeing anything other than the logs in ColdFusion, I have added the SPF records just out of curiosity to see if this might help. But I am not 100% sure that will fix it, will have to wait and see. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com wrote: If you can send email, then you haven't hit the limit. Have you identified any patterns (size, to, from, cc, etc) on the messages that are unsuccessful? Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347159 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
No not yet Russ, being a server that I don't own I am a bit reluctant. But if I have no choice then I have no choice, but if I have too do this. What specifically would I be looking for? I find wireshark daunting at the best of times. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: did you try wireshark? On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: Well I went looking through the mail box, and there are emails there that have been sent. So it looks like it is being selective, but not sure why... On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com wrote: My experience has been that it automatically overwrites the from address to the specified, but I only deal with that in development. (Perhaps that behavior has changed recently) Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Andrew Scott wrote: Thanks Billy, that was my intial reaction. As I had come across that post about the SPF and mail limits etc before. Which is why I thought it might have been a relay issue to begin with, because the mail is not actually sent using accounts email address. It is sent through that account, and sort of made sense that it might be seen as spam. But we are not seeing anything other than the logs in ColdFusion, I have added the SPF records just out of curiosity to see if this might help. But I am not 100% sure that will fix it, will have to wait and see. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com wrote: If you can send email, then you haven't hit the limit. Have you identified any patterns (size, to, from, cc, etc) on the messages that are unsuccessful? Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347160 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Hey Russ, something OT do you do dedicated hosting? If so do you want to ping me offlist, have some questions regarding a dedicated server with Plesk Panel. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: did you try wireshark? -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347161 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Wireshark certainly is daunting, but if you start reading the guide it will start to make sense. All you really need to do is set it monitoring, send the email from CF that gets stuck, and look at the traffic that resulted, it will show you the conversation between the 2 servers and if Google did reject the connection, it should show you that. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: Hey Russ, something OT do you do dedicated hosting? If so do you want to ping me offlist, have some questions regarding a dedicated server with Plesk Panel. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: did you try wireshark? -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347162 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
This is a ColdFusion 8 server, and not all mail is having this problem, as it appears that any email that is sent without the from or to address contains the name of the email account it is being sent from. I am sort of think it is a relay issue, or something but can't seem to find anything that is leading me in the right direction. Google has been of no help in finding an answer either. This is what is showing up in the logs Error,scheduler-1,08/31/11,07:32:14,,Exception reading response javax.mail.MessagingException: Exception reading response; nested exception is: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.readServerResponse(SMTPTransport.java:1462) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.openServer(SMTPTransport.java:1260) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.protocolConnect(SMTPTransport.java:370) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:275) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.getConnection(MailSpooler.java:994) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.deliver(MailSpooler.java:832) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.sendMail(MailSpooler.java:753) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.deliverStandard(MailSpooler.java:1070) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.run(MailSpooler.java:1035) at coldfusion.scheduling.ThreadPool.run(ThreadPool.java:201) at coldfusion.scheduling.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:71) Caused by: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out at java.net.SocketInputStream.socketRead0(Native Method) at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(SocketInputStream.java:129) at com.sun.mail.util.TraceInputStream.read(TraceInputStream.java:97) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.fill(BufferedInputStream.java:218) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(BufferedInputStream.java:237) at com.sun.mail.util.LineInputStream.readLine(LineInputStream.java:75) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.readServerResponse(SMTPTransport.java:1440) -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347139 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Make sure that the email admin is allowing relay from the cf server's ip address. On Aug 30, 2011 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: This is a ColdFusion 8 server, and not all mail is having this problem, as it appears that any email that is sent without the from or to address contains the name of the email account it is being sent from. I am sort of think it is a relay issue, or something but can't seem to find anything that is leading me in the right direction. Google has been of no help in finding an answer either. This is what is showing up in the logs Error,scheduler-1,08/31/11,07:32:14,,Exception reading response javax.mail.MessagingException: Exception reading response; nested exception is: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.readServerResponse(SMTPTransport.java:1462) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.openServer(SMTPTransport.java:1260) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.protocolConnect(SMTPTransport.java:370) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:275) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.getConnection(MailSpooler.java:994) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.deliver(MailSpooler.java:832) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.sendMail(MailSpooler.java:753) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.deliverStandard(MailSpooler.java:1070) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.run(MailSpooler.java:1035) at coldfusion.scheduling.ThreadPool.run(ThreadPool.java:201) at coldfusion.scheduling.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:71) Caused by: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out at java.net.SocketInputStream.socketRead0(Native Method) at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(SocketInputStream.java:129) at com.sun.mail.util.TraceInputStream.read(TraceInputStream.java:97) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.fill(BufferedInputStream.java:218) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(BufferedInputStream.java:237) at com.sun.mail.util.LineInputStream.readLine(LineInputStream.java:75) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.readServerResponse(SMTPTransport.java:1440) -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347140 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
I thought I would do a test and it appears to not be a relay issue, by sending a dummy email from and to addresses that aren't the actualy smtp account they were sent and received fine. All I can find on Google is that it might be a bottleneck, but then why does some mail get through and some don't? Btw the smtp is a gmail account on Googel Apps. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Scott Stewart webmas...@sstwebworks.comwrote: Make sure that the email admin is allowing relay from the cf server's ip address. On Aug 30, 2011 5:42 PM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: This is a ColdFusion 8 server, and not all mail is having this problem, as it appears that any email that is sent without the from or to address contains the name of the email account it is being sent from. I am sort of think it is a relay issue, or something but can't seem to find anything that is leading me in the right direction. Google has been of no help in finding an answer either. This is what is showing up in the logs Error,scheduler-1,08/31/11,07:32:14,,Exception reading response javax.mail.MessagingException: Exception reading response; nested exception is: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.readServerResponse(SMTPTransport.java:1462) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.openServer(SMTPTransport.java:1260) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.protocolConnect(SMTPTransport.java:370) at javax.mail.Service.connect(Service.java:275) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.getConnection(MailSpooler.java:994) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.deliver(MailSpooler.java:832) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.sendMail(MailSpooler.java:753) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.deliverStandard(MailSpooler.java:1070) at coldfusion.mail.MailSpooler.run(MailSpooler.java:1035) at coldfusion.scheduling.ThreadPool.run(ThreadPool.java:201) at coldfusion.scheduling.WorkerThread.run(WorkerThread.java:71) Caused by: java.net.SocketTimeoutException: Read timed out at java.net.SocketInputStream.socketRead0(Native Method) at java.net.SocketInputStream.read(SocketInputStream.java:129) at com.sun.mail.util.TraceInputStream.read(TraceInputStream.java:97) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.fill(BufferedInputStream.java:218) at java.io.BufferedInputStream.read(BufferedInputStream.java:237) at com.sun.mail.util.LineInputStream.readLine(LineInputStream.java:75) at com.sun.mail.smtp.SMTPTransport.readServerResponse(SMTPTransport.java:1440) -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347141 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
The other thing I should mention is that this has only just started happening as of 5 days ago, the site has been running for 8 years. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: I thought I would do a test and it appears to not be a relay issue, by sending a dummy email from and to addresses that aren't the actualy smtp account they were sent and received fine. All I can find on Google is that it might be a bottleneck, but then why does some mail get through and some don't? Btw the smtp is a gmail account on Googel Apps. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347142 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Google can have availability problems sometimes. Also, one of these could be the reason: * They don't allow you to change the from address. You must provide the proper username/password for the email to send. You say that that is working, but I never got that to work, but I use a regular @gmail.com account, and not a google apps account * Google has been migrating/updating google apps accounts, so maybe the admin got an email saying something like Google Apps account transition complete or something like that, so it may have affected something * I think, before, we can just do username as the cfmail username attribute, without the @gmail.com and now I think you have to put this in (I'm not sure about this). * Google has sending limits as well, make sure you have not hit those. - Rex On 8/30/2011 2:52 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: The other thing I should mention is that this has only just started happening as of 5 days ago, the site has been running for 8 years. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Andrew Scottandr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: I thought I would do a test and it appears to not be a relay issue, by sending a dummy email from and to addresses that aren't the actualy smtp account they were sent and received fine. All I can find on Google is that it might be a bottleneck, but then why does some mail get through and some don't? Btw the smtp is a gmail account on Googel Apps. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347145 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Rex, Nothing you said makes sense, nor is it a solution. I am very well aware that accounts have been migrating for Google Apps, that is not an issue and has never affected any of my other domains or emails at gmail. And it was one of the very first things I checked here. Secondly the user/password used for sending the email is verified succesfully in CF Admin, and as I stated emails are being sent. I thought it might have been a relay problem, so I did another test and that went ok. But for some reason certain emails being generated from the system are throwing the error that I posted, and I can't work out why some are being thrown in the undeliverable folder, and some are going through. Now Google searches have turned up nothing that helps, and most keep talking about a network congestion, but why is it so selective as to what goes through and what doesn't. Dragging the emails that can't be delivered into the spool, just seems to take forever to try to send them and they seem to be taking forever, before going straight back to the undeliverable folder again. So I am stumped, and have no idea where to begin looking for the problem any more. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Rex li...@chickything.com wrote: Google can have availability problems sometimes. Also, one of these could be the reason: * They don't allow you to change the from address. You must provide the proper username/password for the email to send. You say that that is working, but I never got that to work, but I use a regular @gmail.com account, and not a google apps account * Google has been migrating/updating google apps accounts, so maybe the admin got an email saying something like Google Apps account transition complete or something like that, so it may have affected something * I think, before, we can just do username as the cfmail username attribute, without the @gmail.com and now I think you have to put this in (I'm not sure about this). * Google has sending limits as well, make sure you have not hit those. - Rex On 8/30/2011 2:52 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: The other thing I should mention is that this has only just started happening as of 5 days ago, the site has been running for 8 years. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Andrew Scottandr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: I thought I would do a test and it appears to not be a relay issue, by sending a dummy email from and to addresses that aren't the actualy smtp account they were sent and received fine. All I can find on Google is that it might be a bottleneck, but then why does some mail get through and some don't? Btw the smtp is a gmail account on Googel Apps. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347146 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Sorry, just trying to help. It's hard to pin down an intermittent problem like yours. I've also had problems with GMail's SMTP and IMAP every now and then. Maybe you can benefit from a third party email service? - Rex On 8/30/2011 4:33 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: Rex, Nothing you said makes sense, nor is it a solution. I am very well aware that accounts have been migrating for Google Apps, that is not an issue and has never affected any of my other domains or emails at gmail. And it was one of the very first things I checked here. Secondly the user/password used for sending the email is verified succesfully in CF Admin, and as I stated emails are being sent. I thought it might have been a relay problem, so I did another test and that went ok. But for some reason certain emails being generated from the system are throwing the error that I posted, and I can't work out why some are being thrown in the undeliverable folder, and some are going through. Now Google searches have turned up nothing that helps, and most keep talking about a network congestion, but why is it so selective as to what goes through and what doesn't. Dragging the emails that can't be delivered into the spool, just seems to take forever to try to send them and they seem to be taking forever, before going straight back to the undeliverable folder again. So I am stumped, and have no idea where to begin looking for the problem any more. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Rexli...@chickything.com wrote: Google can have availability problems sometimes. Also, one of these could be the reason: * They don't allow you to change the from address. You must provide the proper username/password for the email to send. You say that that is working, but I never got that to work, but I use a regular @gmail.com account, and not a google apps account * Google has been migrating/updating google apps accounts, so maybe the admin got an email saying something like Google Apps account transition complete or something like that, so it may have affected something * I think, before, we can just do username as the cfmail username attribute, without the @gmail.com and now I think you have to put this in (I'm not sure about this). * Google has sending limits as well, make sure you have not hit those. - Rex On 8/30/2011 2:52 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: The other thing I should mention is that this has only just started happening as of 5 days ago, the site has been running for 8 years. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Andrew Scottandr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: I thought I would do a test and it appears to not be a relay issue, by sending a dummy email from and to addresses that aren't the actualy smtp account they were sent and received fine. All I can find on Google is that it might be a bottleneck, but then why does some mail get through and some don't? Btw the smtp is a gmail account on Googel Apps. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347148 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Thanks Rex, but your assuming it is the gmail account. All my tests show that this is not the case, as we have another server we ran the same application on it, and it all works fine. So this is not as intermittent as you think, the failure rate is actually very high. We are talking like 20k emails not being sent, and even if I try to move one at a time back into the spool it goes straight back to the undeliverable folder. All tests that I have run actually work on the server, except these emails. And there is nothing, absolutely nothing in the email that shows what could be making it fail. Which is what makes it even harder to understand where to look. Even an email that gets sent ok, if I intercept it and make a copy before it it sent. Looking at it and any that fail, apart from the subject and body nothing else is different. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Rex li...@chickything.com wrote: Sorry, just trying to help. It's hard to pin down an intermittent problem like yours. I've also had problems with GMail's SMTP and IMAP every now and then. Maybe you can benefit from a third party email service? - Rex On 8/30/2011 4:33 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: Rex, Nothing you said makes sense, nor is it a solution. I am very well aware that accounts have been migrating for Google Apps, that is not an issue and has never affected any of my other domains or emails at gmail. And it was one of the very first things I checked here. Secondly the user/password used for sending the email is verified succesfully in CF Admin, and as I stated emails are being sent. I thought it might have been a relay problem, so I did another test and that went ok. But for some reason certain emails being generated from the system are throwing the error that I posted, and I can't work out why some are being thrown in the undeliverable folder, and some are going through. Now Google searches have turned up nothing that helps, and most keep talking about a network congestion, but why is it so selective as to what goes through and what doesn't. Dragging the emails that can't be delivered into the spool, just seems to take forever to try to send them and they seem to be taking forever, before going straight back to the undeliverable folder again. So I am stumped, and have no idea where to begin looking for the problem any more. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Rexli...@chickything.com wrote: Google can have availability problems sometimes. Also, one of these could be the reason: * They don't allow you to change the from address. You must provide the proper username/password for the email to send. You say that that is working, but I never got that to work, but I use a regular @gmail.com account, and not a google apps account * Google has been migrating/updating google apps accounts, so maybe the admin got an email saying something like Google Apps account transition complete or something like that, so it may have affected something * I think, before, we can just do username as the cfmail username attribute, without the @gmail.com and now I think you have to put this in (I'm not sure about this). * Google has sending limits as well, make sure you have not hit those. - Rex On 8/30/2011 2:52 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: The other thing I should mention is that this has only just started happening as of 5 days ago, the site has been running for 8 years. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Andrew Scottandr...@andyscott.id.au wrote: I thought I would do a test and it appears to not be a relay issue, by sending a dummy email from and to addresses that aren't the actualy smtp account they were sent and received fine. All I can find on Google is that it might be a bottleneck, but then why does some mail get through and some don't? Btw the smtp is a gmail account on Googel Apps. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347149 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
how many emails are you sending per day through gmail, there are limits, and it might be blocking you if you have exceeded them. For google Apps it is 500 per day per user. -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347150 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
That is still not an issue, this has been working for years. It has only just started to have these problems, and again I tried re-sending one at a time and one at a time fails. Like I said Google says that the error I pasted is a network bottle neck, as the reason is it times out waiting for a response. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: how many emails are you sending per day through gmail, there are limits, and it might be blocking you if you have exceeded them. For google Apps it is 500 per day per user. -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347151 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
you could use wireshark to confirm this is the case, it will show you the commication between coldfusion and google so you can see if cf is getting a response. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.auwrote: That is still not an issue, this has been working for years. It has only just started to have these problems, and again I tried re-sending one at a time and one at a time fails. Like I said Google says that the error I pasted is a network bottle neck, as the reason is it times out waiting for a response. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: how many emails are you sending per day through gmail, there are limits, and it might be blocking you if you have exceeded them. For google Apps it is 500 per day per user. -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347152 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Very similar to what you're reporting: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google%20Apps/thread?tid=5f96d0e5cfc60a95hl=en It can be a limit issue - I believe Google's SMTP server reject all connections from that user once you hit limit (500/day or 2000/day for a premium account; I am very certain about the limit, just less so about how the SMTP server responds). I know you say it's been working before, but test the limit issue before you summarily dismiss it. Google does have that limit, and perhaps they only recently started enforcing it for you. To confirm whether or not it's a limit issue: Login to the web interface using the user you're using for CFMail, and try to send - if you hit a limit, you're locked out for 24 hours. You can always cycle through accounts to bypass the limit issue (this solution even shows up in Google's support pages, go figure) Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com On Aug 30, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: That is still not an issue, this has been working for years. It has only just started to have these problems, and again I tried re-sending one at a time and one at a time fails. Like I said Google says that the error I pasted is a network bottle neck, as the reason is it times out waiting for a response. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote: how many emails are you sending per day through gmail, there are limits, and it might be blocking you if you have exceeded them. For google Apps it is 500 per day per user. -- Russ Michaels www.bluethunderinternet.com : Business hosting services solutions www.cfmldeveloper.com: ColdFusion developer community www.michaels.me.uk : my blog www.cfsearch.com : ColdFusion search engine ** *skype me* : russmichaels ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347153 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
Bill, It does sound very similar, but there are two things that doesn't gel with me here. 1) this would mean that no more emails can be sent from this user, but I can send another email and it will be delivered fine. 2) It also says that for this to be true, then an email will be sitting in the users mailbox stating that it was not deliverable and that it was considered Spam. This is not the case, and lastly we are talking about something that has only just happened. It appears the Google have had this in place for many years, and we have only just began to receive this problem in the last 7 days. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com wrote: Very similar to what you're reporting: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google%20Apps/thread?tid=5f96d0e5cfc60a95hl=en It can be a limit issue - I believe Google's SMTP server reject all connections from that user once you hit limit (500/day or 2000/day for a premium account; I am very certain about the limit, just less so about how the SMTP server responds). I know you say it's been working before, but test the limit issue before you summarily dismiss it. Google does have that limit, and perhaps they only recently started enforcing it for you. To confirm whether or not it's a limit issue: Login to the web interface using the user you're using for CFMail, and try to send - if you hit a limit, you're locked out for 24 hours. You can always cycle through accounts to bypass the limit issue (this solution even shows up in Google's support pages, go figure) Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347154 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: Anyone know how to fix this or why this happening?
If you can send email, then you haven't hit the limit. Have you identified any patterns (size, to, from, cc, etc) on the messages that are unsuccessful? Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com On Aug 31, 2011, at 12:15 AM, Andrew Scott wrote: Bill, It does sound very similar, but there are two things that doesn't gel with me here. 1) this would mean that no more emails can be sent from this user, but I can send another email and it will be delivered fine. 2) It also says that for this to be true, then an email will be sitting in the users mailbox stating that it was not deliverable and that it was considered Spam. This is not the case, and lastly we are talking about something that has only just happened. It appears the Google have had this in place for many years, and we have only just began to receive this problem in the last 7 days. On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com wrote: Very similar to what you're reporting: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google%20Apps/thread?tid=5f96d0e5cfc60a95hl=en It can be a limit issue - I believe Google's SMTP server reject all connections from that user once you hit limit (500/day or 2000/day for a premium account; I am very certain about the limit, just less so about how the SMTP server responds). I know you say it's been working before, but test the limit issue before you summarily dismiss it. Google does have that limit, and perhaps they only recently started enforcing it for you. To confirm whether or not it's a limit issue: Login to the web interface using the user you're using for CFMail, and try to send - if you hit a limit, you're locked out for 24 hours. You can always cycle through accounts to bypass the limit issue (this solution even shows up in Google's support pages, go figure) Billy Cravens bdcrav...@gmail.com -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:347155 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
