Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
I emailed sales at e-zone media and never received a reply (not a good sign in itself, but a few emails always slip through the cracks...) For anyone using FuseAds... does it support any of the following. - Ad 'campaigns' (multiple creatives rotated within a slot for a given client's ad purchase). - The ability for a client to change creatives in an active campaign. - The capability of running remotely, as doubleclick or other ad networks operate. (This isn't necessary for our use, but it is a fairly common ability of even some low-cost ad servers.) BTW, if you have the source code to FuseAds, is it actually built on the FuseBox model? Just looking at their admin demo, it doesn't appear to be. Thanks, Jim - Original Message - From: Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: RE: BANNER AD PROGRAM Ive been using http://www.e-zonemedia.com/fuseads/ Fuseads w/source code and it has performed quite well. I use a central add server as well. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
- Original Message - From: Angél Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:23 PM Check www.fuseads.com You don't need anything else. Except a URL that works g. Does it load for anyone? Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: BANNER AD PROGRAM
*grumble* *splutter* *mutter* Neeby WOO! 0_0 *humph* http://www.e-zonemedia.com/fuseads/index.cfm -Gel -Original Message- From: Adrian Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Check www.fuseads.com You don't need anything else. Except a URL that works g. Does it load for anyone? Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
- Original Message - From: Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 8:39 AM *grumble* *splutter* *mutter* Neeby WOO! 0_0 *humph* http://www.e-zonemedia.com/fuseads/index.cfm Thanks! :-) Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
Tourette's syndrome? - Original Message - From: Angel Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 3:39 AM Subject: RE: BANNER AD PROGRAM *grumble* *splutter* *mutter* Neeby WOO! 0_0 *humph* http://www.e-zonemedia.com/fuseads/index.cfm -Gel -Original Message- From: Adrian Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Check www.fuseads.com You don't need anything else. Except a URL that works g. Does it load for anyone? Adrian Cooper. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: BANNER AD PROGRAM
Ive been using http://www.e-zonemedia.com/fuseads/ Fuseads w/source code and it has performed quite well. I use a central add server as well. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM William, I've also thought about using CFHTTP to pull ads from a dedicated ad server, but I'd think there would be serious performance problems. First, you're forced to lock CFHTTP until you've output the variable cfhttp.filecontent. Secondly, each page that CF returns doesn't get passed on to the web server until it's been completely rendered by CF. So if you have a lot of CF pages waiting on that single threaded CFHTTP that's pulling banners, it could become an enormous bottleneck. More so if you've got banner ads on every page of a busy site or family of sites. BTW, we're also using CentralAd. What a piece of unsupported garbage. If you're doing remote ad calls (ala doubleclick) the clickthroughs often end up going to the wrong place, or else the server is incapable of figuring it out at all and redirects to the 'default' ad's URL. It's a really problem when users are going through proxies and the like. I suspect as many as 10-20% of clickthroughs are being misdirected. When it gets busy, we also have a problem with their CGI's hanging on the ad server and having to be manually killed off to free up memory and CPU cycles. Jim - Original Message - From: William Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM Yes i know they called me today its called DART its 7K to setup and 1000 a month =) we have a program now but i want CF, and i would not have to worry about mulptiple boxes because i have a dedicated AD box that i iwll use a CFHTTP to grab the ads from and the program on the ad box will decide, just curious but i will look through allt he selections. The Doubleclick program looked nice it still did not do what i really wanted it to do so =) i guess its time for me to hit the coding!! Bill Wheatley Director of Development Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM None if you dont need to worry about weighted ads or targeted ads. As long as the program does not need to make decisions based upon how many views an ad has had, or which ad it should show now it does not matter. As soon as you need to know which ad to show next, rather than random ads, you have to be updating a counter and selecting it again on the next ad view, if you have two different servers, where you cant cflock the entire program you then have a situation where concurrent users on different servers are being shown the same ad then updating the counter +1 each time, and you just lost a rotation...or you get each rotation but you lose an adview, depending on how you do your math. Since single threading a banner program by making the entire set of queries a transaction is not an option even under moderate load, it can get a little complex. I just personally dont think CF is the best solution for a high transaction banner system... Even SQL Server has problems with concurrency that make it not ideal either. From what I have seen, at least one of the big banner companies uses Oracle not SQL Server... I've been thinking about rewriting the banner program in Java because of the whole concurrency issue. When it comes down to it, CF and SQL SP's are essentially stateless, so the program has to make all it's decisions and updates all at once. That's a whole lot of database traffic. But then again, my statements only really apply for complex, high transaction banner systems, not the majority of sites out there... There is a guy from DoubleClick that occasionally posts here that has a real nice banner program though, wonder how much. ;-) jon - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM I can understand the potential performance problems, but what kind of concurrency issues do you have if you're storing all ad campaign data in a central database? Jim - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM One problem you are going to run into with ANY CF banner program is performance first off, secondly is concurrency issues once you move to more than one server. If all you need is a counter, positions, and a random ad
BANNER AD PROGRAM
ok i want a banner ad program that runs in CF what we have now is this www.centralad.com SELL ME =0) i would prefer the source and i would prefer it to be robust =) Bill Wheatley Director of Development AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer http://www.aeps.com ICQ: 417645 954-472-6684 X303 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachment to it is intended only to be read or used by the named addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistaken transmission to you. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or use any part of this e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. The RTA is not responsible for any unauthorized alterations to this e-mail or attachment to it ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
Have a look at DreamBanner in the tag Gallery HTH Dick At 5:01 PM -0400 5/4/01, William J Wheatley wrote: ok i want a banner ad program that runs in CF what we have now is this www.centralad.com SELL ME =0) i would prefer the source and i would prefer it to be robust =) ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: BANNER AD PROGRAM
Check www.fuseads.com You don't need anything else. -Gel ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
One problem you are going to run into with ANY CF banner program is performance first off, secondly is concurrency issues once you move to more than one server. If all you need is a counter, positions, and a random ad then you are safe with just about anything, however once you move to weighted ads concurrency becomes a huge problem. I has to rewrite an entire CF banner program as a stored procedure for those exact reasons. It's smooth as butter now, serving up ~300,000+ weighted banners a day on a load balanced web site. Unfortunately it's not for sale, but keep these issues in mind as you look for a banner program. jon - Original Message - From: William J Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: BANNER AD PROGRAM ok i want a banner ad program that runs in CF what we have now is this www.centralad.com SELL ME =0) i would prefer the source and i would prefer it to be robust =) Bill Wheatley Director of Development AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer http://www.aeps.com ICQ: 417645 954-472-6684 X303 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachment to it is intended only to be read or used by the named addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistaken transmission to you. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or use any part of this e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. The RTA is not responsible for any unauthorized alterations to this e-mail or attachment to it ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
I can understand the potential performance problems, but what kind of concurrency issues do you have if you're storing all ad campaign data in a central database? Jim - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM One problem you are going to run into with ANY CF banner program is performance first off, secondly is concurrency issues once you move to more than one server. If all you need is a counter, positions, and a random ad then you are safe with just about anything, however once you move to weighted ads concurrency becomes a huge problem. I has to rewrite an entire CF banner program as a stored procedure for those exact reasons. It's smooth as butter now, serving up ~300,000+ weighted banners a day on a load balanced web site. Unfortunately it's not for sale, but keep these issues in mind as you look for a banner program. jon ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
None if you dont need to worry about weighted ads or targeted ads. As long as the program does not need to make decisions based upon how many views an ad has had, or which ad it should show now it does not matter. As soon as you need to know which ad to show next, rather than random ads, you have to be updating a counter and selecting it again on the next ad view, if you have two different servers, where you cant cflock the entire program you then have a situation where concurrent users on different servers are being shown the same ad then updating the counter +1 each time, and you just lost a rotation...or you get each rotation but you lose an adview, depending on how you do your math. Since single threading a banner program by making the entire set of queries a transaction is not an option even under moderate load, it can get a little complex. I just personally dont think CF is the best solution for a high transaction banner system... Even SQL Server has problems with concurrency that make it not ideal either. From what I have seen, at least one of the big banner companies uses Oracle not SQL Server... I've been thinking about rewriting the banner program in Java because of the whole concurrency issue. When it comes down to it, CF and SQL SP's are essentially stateless, so the program has to make all it's decisions and updates all at once. That's a whole lot of database traffic. But then again, my statements only really apply for complex, high transaction banner systems, not the majority of sites out there... There is a guy from DoubleClick that occasionally posts here that has a real nice banner program though, wonder how much. ;-) jon - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM I can understand the potential performance problems, but what kind of concurrency issues do you have if you're storing all ad campaign data in a central database? Jim - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM One problem you are going to run into with ANY CF banner program is performance first off, secondly is concurrency issues once you move to more than one server. If all you need is a counter, positions, and a random ad then you are safe with just about anything, however once you move to weighted ads concurrency becomes a huge problem. I has to rewrite an entire CF banner program as a stored procedure for those exact reasons. It's smooth as butter now, serving up ~300,000+ weighted banners a day on a load balanced web site. Unfortunately it's not for sale, but keep these issues in mind as you look for a banner program. jon ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
let me know what you started with =) cause i will have to do the same thing i guess! Bill Wheatley Director of Development Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM One problem you are going to run into with ANY CF banner program is performance first off, secondly is concurrency issues once you move to more than one server. If all you need is a counter, positions, and a random ad then you are safe with just about anything, however once you move to weighted ads concurrency becomes a huge problem. I has to rewrite an entire CF banner program as a stored procedure for those exact reasons. It's smooth as butter now, serving up ~300,000+ weighted banners a day on a load balanced web site. Unfortunately it's not for sale, but keep these issues in mind as you look for a banner program. jon - Original Message - From: William J Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:01 PM Subject: BANNER AD PROGRAM ok i want a banner ad program that runs in CF what we have now is this www.centralad.com SELL ME =0) i would prefer the source and i would prefer it to be robust =) Bill Wheatley Director of Development AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer http://www.aeps.com ICQ: 417645 954-472-6684 X303 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail and any attachment to it is intended only to be read or used by the named addressee. It is confidential and may contain legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistaken transmission to you. If you receive this e-mail in error, please immediately delete it from your system and notify the sender. You must not disclose, copy or use any part of this e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. The RTA is not responsible for any unauthorized alterations to this e-mail or attachment to it ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
Yes i know they called me today its called DART its 7K to setup and 1000 a month =) we have a program now but i want CF, and i would not have to worry about mulptiple boxes because i have a dedicated AD box that i iwll use a CFHTTP to grab the ads from and the program on the ad box will decide, just curious but i will look through allt he selections. The Doubleclick program looked nice it still did not do what i really wanted it to do so =) i guess its time for me to hit the coding!! Bill Wheatley Director of Development Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM None if you dont need to worry about weighted ads or targeted ads. As long as the program does not need to make decisions based upon how many views an ad has had, or which ad it should show now it does not matter. As soon as you need to know which ad to show next, rather than random ads, you have to be updating a counter and selecting it again on the next ad view, if you have two different servers, where you cant cflock the entire program you then have a situation where concurrent users on different servers are being shown the same ad then updating the counter +1 each time, and you just lost a rotation...or you get each rotation but you lose an adview, depending on how you do your math. Since single threading a banner program by making the entire set of queries a transaction is not an option even under moderate load, it can get a little complex. I just personally dont think CF is the best solution for a high transaction banner system... Even SQL Server has problems with concurrency that make it not ideal either. From what I have seen, at least one of the big banner companies uses Oracle not SQL Server... I've been thinking about rewriting the banner program in Java because of the whole concurrency issue. When it comes down to it, CF and SQL SP's are essentially stateless, so the program has to make all it's decisions and updates all at once. That's a whole lot of database traffic. But then again, my statements only really apply for complex, high transaction banner systems, not the majority of sites out there... There is a guy from DoubleClick that occasionally posts here that has a real nice banner program though, wonder how much. ;-) jon - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM I can understand the potential performance problems, but what kind of concurrency issues do you have if you're storing all ad campaign data in a central database? Jim - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM One problem you are going to run into with ANY CF banner program is performance first off, secondly is concurrency issues once you move to more than one server. If all you need is a counter, positions, and a random ad then you are safe with just about anything, however once you move to weighted ads concurrency becomes a huge problem. I has to rewrite an entire CF banner program as a stored procedure for those exact reasons. It's smooth as butter now, serving up ~300,000+ weighted banners a day on a load balanced web site. Unfortunately it's not for sale, but keep these issues in mind as you look for a banner program. jon ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM
William, I've also thought about using CFHTTP to pull ads from a dedicated ad server, but I'd think there would be serious performance problems. First, you're forced to lock CFHTTP until you've output the variable cfhttp.filecontent. Secondly, each page that CF returns doesn't get passed on to the web server until it's been completely rendered by CF. So if you have a lot of CF pages waiting on that single threaded CFHTTP that's pulling banners, it could become an enormous bottleneck. More so if you've got banner ads on every page of a busy site or family of sites. BTW, we're also using CentralAd. What a piece of unsupported garbage. If you're doing remote ad calls (ala doubleclick) the clickthroughs often end up going to the wrong place, or else the server is incapable of figuring it out at all and redirects to the 'default' ad's URL. It's a really problem when users are going through proxies and the like. I suspect as many as 10-20% of clickthroughs are being misdirected. When it gets busy, we also have a problem with their CGI's hanging on the ad server and having to be manually killed off to free up memory and CPU cycles. Jim - Original Message - From: William Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM Yes i know they called me today its called DART its 7K to setup and 1000 a month =) we have a program now but i want CF, and i would not have to worry about mulptiple boxes because i have a dedicated AD box that i iwll use a CFHTTP to grab the ads from and the program on the ad box will decide, just curious but i will look through allt he selections. The Doubleclick program looked nice it still did not do what i really wanted it to do so =) i guess its time for me to hit the coding!! Bill Wheatley Director of Development Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM None if you dont need to worry about weighted ads or targeted ads. As long as the program does not need to make decisions based upon how many views an ad has had, or which ad it should show now it does not matter. As soon as you need to know which ad to show next, rather than random ads, you have to be updating a counter and selecting it again on the next ad view, if you have two different servers, where you cant cflock the entire program you then have a situation where concurrent users on different servers are being shown the same ad then updating the counter +1 each time, and you just lost a rotation...or you get each rotation but you lose an adview, depending on how you do your math. Since single threading a banner program by making the entire set of queries a transaction is not an option even under moderate load, it can get a little complex. I just personally dont think CF is the best solution for a high transaction banner system... Even SQL Server has problems with concurrency that make it not ideal either. From what I have seen, at least one of the big banner companies uses Oracle not SQL Server... I've been thinking about rewriting the banner program in Java because of the whole concurrency issue. When it comes down to it, CF and SQL SP's are essentially stateless, so the program has to make all it's decisions and updates all at once. That's a whole lot of database traffic. But then again, my statements only really apply for complex, high transaction banner systems, not the majority of sites out there... There is a guy from DoubleClick that occasionally posts here that has a real nice banner program though, wonder how much. ;-) jon - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM I can understand the potential performance problems, but what kind of concurrency issues do you have if you're storing all ad campaign data in a central database? Jim - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM One problem you are going to run into with ANY CF banner program is performance first off, secondly is concurrency issues once you move to more than one server. If all you need is a counter, positions, and a random ad then you are safe with just about anything, however once you move to weighted ads concurrency becomes a huge problem. I has to rewrite an entire CF banner program as a stored procedure for those exact reasons. It's smooth as butter now, serving up ~300,000+ weighted banners
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AMEN i hear you it is a piece of shit program =) that i trully have learned to dispise (sp) Would you think i could get around the bottleneck on the local side, becuase the ad server is a screamer, as well as both boxes are on our local network, so i dont think transfer problems could be a problem, and if needed we could do 1 ad box per domain. We currently use CFHTTP's to grab the central ad ads and we've had no problem with it at all EXCEPt for it pulling up default ads all the time =), no way to SET ads to a specific number of HIts per month, unless you want to set the ads to run 1 month only and then redo that EVERY month. I really think it was a piece of garage, we're talking with double click now about possibly getting there software licensed to use for us internally outside of there network (because they are not much better IMHO). But i really want something in CF that i can get my hands on and do what i want it and need it to do =) Thanks! And i feel your pain Bill Wheatley Director of Development Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM William, I've also thought about using CFHTTP to pull ads from a dedicated ad server, but I'd think there would be serious performance problems. First, you're forced to lock CFHTTP until you've output the variable cfhttp.filecontent. Secondly, each page that CF returns doesn't get passed on to the web server until it's been completely rendered by CF. So if you have a lot of CF pages waiting on that single threaded CFHTTP that's pulling banners, it could become an enormous bottleneck. More so if you've got banner ads on every page of a busy site or family of sites. BTW, we're also using CentralAd. What a piece of unsupported garbage. If you're doing remote ad calls (ala doubleclick) the clickthroughs often end up going to the wrong place, or else the server is incapable of figuring it out at all and redirects to the 'default' ad's URL. It's a really problem when users are going through proxies and the like. I suspect as many as 10-20% of clickthroughs are being misdirected. When it gets busy, we also have a problem with their CGI's hanging on the ad server and having to be manually killed off to free up memory and CPU cycles. Jim - Original Message - From: William Wheatley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM Yes i know they called me today its called DART its 7K to setup and 1000 a month =) we have a program now but i want CF, and i would not have to worry about mulptiple boxes because i have a dedicated AD box that i iwll use a CFHTTP to grab the ads from and the program on the ad box will decide, just curious but i will look through allt he selections. The Doubleclick program looked nice it still did not do what i really wanted it to do so =) i guess its time for me to hit the coding!! Bill Wheatley Director of Development Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer AEPS INC Allaire ColdFusion Consulting Partner www.aeps.com www.aeps2000.com 954-472-6684 X303 ICQ: 417645 - Original Message - From: Jon Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 6:39 PM Subject: Re: BANNER AD PROGRAM None if you dont need to worry about weighted ads or targeted ads. As long as the program does not need to make decisions based upon how many views an ad has had, or which ad it should show now it does not matter. As soon as you need to know which ad to show next, rather than random ads, you have to be updating a counter and selecting it again on the next ad view, if you have two different servers, where you cant cflock the entire program you then have a situation where concurrent users on different servers are being shown the same ad then updating the counter +1 each time, and you just lost a rotation...or you get each rotation but you lose an adview, depending on how you do your math. Since single threading a banner program by making the entire set of queries a transaction is not an option even under moderate load, it can get a little complex. I just personally dont think CF is the best solution for a high transaction banner system... Even SQL Server has problems with concurrency that make it not ideal either. From what I have seen, at least one of the big banner companies uses Oracle not SQL Server... I've been thinking about rewriting the banner program in Java because of the whole concurrency issue. When it comes down to it, CF and SQL SP's are essentially stateless, so the program has to make all it's decisions
