RE: Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7
Dave, Thanks. Unfortunately, none of this seems to be a big benefit for the client, who pays the cost. They seem quite happy to pay for us to write the unstructured CF5 code. Kevin -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2005 18:07 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7 One of my customers has asked me to give him some figures on the performance improvements that would be possible if they moved from the current CF5 site to CF6.1 or CF7 Unfortunately, you're unlikely to find any useful numbers for this, since performance differences are hugely dependent upon specific applications and environments. You may find a vast improvement with your customer's applications, or you may even find worse performance! In any case, performance alone is probably not the best reason to upgrade. There are many other, much better, reasons. The ability to write and use CFCs is one - being able to structure your code in a more useful manner, and being able to incorporate OO concepts within your code, may significantly decrease the amount of time you spend maintaining that code. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220647 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7
With 20 years of do I upgrade questions for both myself and the client, the conclusion that usually comes to pass (either after a good decision or a bad one) is that upgrading an incremental version is a lot less to chew on than upgrading two or three in one fell swoop. A shortsighted client will likely want to stand pat, but those with any amount of experience will take the path of learning and utilizing a smaller set of new features every couple years, rather than experiencing a paradigm shift that occurs when leapfrogging multiple versions. It becomes a case of pennywise and pound foolish when the client is FORCED to upgrade several versions, and the programmer needs more time to learn the new version. Is this always the case? Of course not. But in my experience it is in the best interest of the programmer and the client. If I were in your shoes and the client was a good one, I would offer to split the cost of the upgrade, if for nothing more than to keep your skills working on the latest version. ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220649 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7
House of Fusion was running 5. I beta tested 6 but decided not to move to it. I beta tested 6.1 but decided not to move to it. I beta tested 7 and have been running it live on House of Fusion since early in the beta and I loved it. It's been up for over a year now and when this question comes up I throw the full weight of my sites and name behind an upgrade from 5 or 6/6.1 to 7. Well worth it for the performance alone. If you can get a copy of enterprise, the use of the gateways is a killer feature, especially the async gateway. I'm lobbying Macromedia to move that into every version of CF, not just enterprise. It's a feature EVERYONE should have access to. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220650 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7
Keep up the fight - If you've got an online form setup to register our votes then I'm sure plenty of us would second your point. Martin http://www.beetrootstreet.com -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 October 2005 14:33 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7 I'm lobbying Macromedia to move that into every version of CF, not just enterprise. It's a feature EVERYONE should have access to. ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220653 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7
Thanks. Unfortunately, none of this seems to be a big benefit for the client, who pays the cost. They seem quite happy to pay for us to write the unstructured CF5 code. Any savings in development and maintenance time will quickly cover the cost of an upgrade, and more besides. Labor costs are typically the lion's share of the total cost of an application. So, that's a huge benefit for the client, if they can simply be made aware of it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220710 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7
Performance and scalability is significantly enhanced in CFMX 6.1 and CFMX7 than CF5 or previous. This can translate into direct HW savings for large sites. Details here for CF5 vs CFMX 6.1 (CFMX7 adds a few more points on top of CFMX 6.1): http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/whitepapers/pdf/6_1/cfmx61_performancebrief.pdf (Watch the wrap) Here's the Statistics Summary from the testing performed in the whitepaper: ⢠Windows 2000: Approximately 23 times faster than ColdFusion 4.5, 3 times faster than ColdFusion 5, and 2.5 times faster than ColdFusion MX ⢠Windows 2003: Approximately 3 times faster than ColdFusion 5 ⢠Linux: Approximately 5 times faster than ColdFusion 5 ⢠Solaris: Approximately 4 times faster than ColdFusion 5 HTH Damon Thanks. Unfortunately, none of this seems to be a big benefit for the client, who pays the cost. They seem quite happy to pay for us to write the unstructured CF5 code. Any savings in development and maintenance time will quickly cover the cost of an upgrade, and more besides. Labor costs are typically the lion's share of the total cost of an application. So, that's a huge benefit for the client, if they can simply be made aware of it. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220741 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7
Hi, One of my customers has asked me to give him some figures on the performance improvements that would be possible if they moved from the current CF5 site to CF6.1 or CF7 Does anyone have the official figures handy (or a URL for them)? They are also considering a rewrite of the site which was written several years ago in Fusebox 2. I know Fusebox 4 is much faster. Has anyone got some comparison figures on that too? Kevin ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220557 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7
Yeah...like the performance improvements of MX over 5 ;-) not always favourable! -Original Message- From: Kevin Roche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 October 2005 16:18 To: CF-Talk Subject: Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7 Hi, One of my customers has asked me to give him some figures on the performance improvements that would be possible if they moved from the current CF5 site to CF6.1 or CF7 Does anyone have the official figures handy (or a URL for them)? They are also considering a rewrite of the site which was written several years ago in Fusebox 2. I know Fusebox 4 is much faster. Has anyone got some comparison figures on that too? Kevin ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220559 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Benefits of Upgrading to MX6.1 or MX7
One of my customers has asked me to give him some figures on the performance improvements that would be possible if they moved from the current CF5 site to CF6.1 or CF7 Unfortunately, you're unlikely to find any useful numbers for this, since performance differences are hugely dependent upon specific applications and environments. You may find a vast improvement with your customer's applications, or you may even find worse performance! In any case, performance alone is probably not the best reason to upgrade. There are many other, much better, reasons. The ability to write and use CFCs is one - being able to structure your code in a more useful manner, and being able to incorporate OO concepts within your code, may significantly decrease the amount of time you spend maintaining that code. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:220578 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
