RE: Firefox Tabs
Thank you Jochem. I fired off my response as soon as I saw James' question - before I'd even gotten out of bed, in fact - and I was genuinely trying to be helpful and give him the simplest but informative answer possible. James, I'm sorry you don't like the answers you are getting but instead of assuming we're having a bad day - which I wasn't until I saw your response - perhaps you could assume that we're trying to *help*? It's responses like yours that make people throw up their hands and think Fine, maybe I just won't bother trying to help these people. My apologies, your answer seemed a little dismissive in it's it's not up to you it's up to your users kind of way. While this is true, it did not answer the question. The same could be said about using _blank to open a new window, users can override this behavior but the behavior still exists. I apologise if my response lead to you having a bad day, but I hope you can see why I found your answer incomplete at best. -- Jay ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189342 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Firefox Tabs
Is there an equivalent to _blank that will open a link in a new firefox tab? -- Jay ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189250 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Firefox Tabs
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:45:47 -, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an equivalent to _blank that will open a link in a new firefox tab? It's entirely under user control - your users determine how links / pages open, not you. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 6 invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=17 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189251 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Firefox Tabs
A user can always open a link in a new window with the application of a right click, just like a firefox user can open a new tab with the right mouse button. However I have the ability to set target=_blank on a link and the link will open in a new window, transferring control to me. If the answer to the question is no just say so but don't try to turn it into a control issue when it isn't. I am just trying to make it easier for the users of our intranet and reduce the number of clicks they perform from certain reports where new tabs are ALWAYS used. -- Jay -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2005 15:50 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Firefox Tabs On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:45:47 -, James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there an equivalent to _blank that will open a link in a new firefox tab? It's entirely under user control - your users determine how links / pages open, not you. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 6 invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189253 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Firefox Tabs
This isn't entirely correct. If a link has target=_blank and I click on it, it will open in a new tab (because I set it up that way) Pascal -Original Message- From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2005 17:03 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Firefox Tabs A user can always open a link in a new window with the application of a right click, just like a firefox user can open a new tab with the right mouse button. However I have the ability to set target=_blank on a link and the link will open in a new window, transferring control to me. ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189255 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Firefox Tabs
However I have the ability to set target=_blank on a link and the link will open in a new window, transferring control to me. ... -- Jay You only some control over what is displayed in my browser. Firefox renders the same HTML, but it gives users more control over how that HTML is rendered. So the basic answer is that you use the same _blank property value. Then I can decide how that new window is displayed in my Firefox, my choice are to block it, to have it open in a new instance of Firefox (AKA a New Window), or a new tab in the existing window. And there is little you can do about my choice. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. ~| This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189256 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Firefox Tabs
James Smith wrote: A user can always open a link in a new window with the application of a right click, just like a firefox user can open a new tab with the right mouse button. However I have the ability to set target=_blank on a link and the link will open in a new window Not in my browser :-) If the answer to the question is no just say so but don't try to turn it into a control issue when it isn't. It is a control issue. I can set browser.block.target_new_window to true in *my* browser and _blank will not open a new window anymore. There is nothing a web developer can do about that, just as a web developer can define all the onunload events he wants, but they won't run in my browser. My browser, my rules. I am just trying to make it easier for the users of our intranet and reduce the number of clicks they perform from certain reports where new tabs are ALWAYS used. Have them set browser.block.target_new_window or send them a memo to use the middle mouse button :-) Jochem ~| Protect your mail server with built in anti-virus protection. It's not only good for you, it's good for everybody. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=39 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189258 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Firefox Tabs
Jochem van Dieten wrote: James Smith wrote: I am just trying to make it easier for the users of our intranet and reduce the number of clicks they perform from certain reports where new tabs are ALWAYS used. Have them set browser.block.target_new_window or send them a memo to use the middle mouse button :-) http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.phtml?title=Firefox_:_FAQs_:_About:config_Entries Jochem ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189260 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Firefox Tabs
Ok, aparenntly everyone is having a bad day and doesn't want to give me a simple answer. My users are not developers, geeks, or any other breed of user who know how to set up these things. It is all most of them can do to figure out the power button. Assume that 1) I can't be bothered configuring all the clients individually to open _blank's as a new tab, expecially as most of the time _blank needs to open a new window. 2) Even with step by step instructions my users couldn't configure a piss up in a brewery. Question Is there any way, by target, JS, or any other means, of opening a link in a new tab in firefox. -- Jay -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2005 16:13 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Firefox Tabs James Smith wrote: A user can always open a link in a new window with the application of a right click, just like a firefox user can open a new tab with the right mouse button. However I have the ability to set target=_blank on a link and the link will open in a new window Not in my browser :-) If the answer to the question is no just say so but don't try to turn it into a control issue when it isn't. It is a control issue. I can set browser.block.target_new_window to true in *my* browser and _blank will not open a new window anymore. There is nothing a web developer can do about that, just as a web developer can define all the onunload events he wants, but they won't run in my browser. My browser, my rules. I am just trying to make it easier for the users of our intranet and reduce the number of clicks they perform from certain reports where new tabs are ALWAYS used. Have them set browser.block.target_new_window or send them a memo to use the middle mouse button :-) Jochem ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189262 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Firefox Tabs
Have them set browser.block.target_new_window or send them a memo to use the middle mouse button :-) http://kb.mozillazine.org/index.phtml?title=Firefox_:_FAQs_:_A bout:config_Entries Nice idea, and the closest I have had to a simple answer, but unfortunately not all of them have middle buttons. -- Jay ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189263 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Firefox Tabs
Simple answer: NO _Blank opens in a new window -Original Message- From: James Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Firefox Tabs Ok, aparenntly everyone is having a bad day and doesn't want to give me a simple answer. My users are not developers, geeks, or any other breed of user who know how to set up these things. It is all most of them can do to figure out the power button. Assume that 1) I can't be bothered configuring all the clients individually to open _blank's as a new tab, expecially as most of the time _blank needs to open a new window. 2) Even with step by step instructions my users couldn't configure a piss up in a brewery. Question Is there any way, by target, JS, or any other means, of opening a link in a new tab in firefox. -- Jay -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2005 16:13 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Firefox Tabs James Smith wrote: A user can always open a link in a new window with the application of a right click, just like a firefox user can open a new tab with the right mouse button. However I have the ability to set target=_blank on a link and the link will open in a new window Not in my browser :-) If the answer to the question is no just say so but don't try to turn it into a control issue when it isn't. It is a control issue. I can set browser.block.target_new_window to true in *my* browser and _blank will not open a new window anymore. There is nothing a web developer can do about that, just as a web developer can define all the onunload events he wants, but they won't run in my browser. My browser, my rules. I am just trying to make it easier for the users of our intranet and reduce the number of clicks they perform from certain reports where new tabs are ALWAYS used. Have them set browser.block.target_new_window or send them a memo to use the middle mouse button :-) Jochem ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189264 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Firefox Tabs
How about just telling them to hold down the control button while clicking the link. Surely even your users aren't that silly. ;) You could even include a control button image for those text-challenged. -- Original Message -- From: James Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:21:52 - Ok, aparenntly everyone is having a bad day and doesn't want to give me a simple answer. My users are not developers, geeks, or any other breed of user who know how to set up these things. It is all most of them can do to figure out the power button. Assume that 1) I can't be bothered configuring all the clients individually to open _blank's as a new tab, expecially as most of the time _blank needs to open a new window. 2) Even with step by step instructions my users couldn't configure a piss up in a brewery. Question Is there any way, by target, JS, or any other means, of opening a link in a new tab in firefox. -- Jay -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 January 2005 16:13 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Firefox Tabs James Smith wrote: A user can always open a link in a new window with the application of a right click, just like a firefox user can open a new tab with the right mouse button. However I have the ability to set target=_blank on a link and the link will open in a new window Not in my browser :-) If the answer to the question is no just say so but don't try to turn it into a control issue when it isn't. It is a control issue. I can set browser.block.target_new_window to true in *my* browser and _blank will not open a new window anymore. There is nothing a web developer can do about that, just as a web developer can define all the onunload events he wants, but they won't run in my browser. My browser, my rules. I am just trying to make it easier for the users of our intranet and reduce the number of clicks they perform from certain reports where new tabs are ALWAYS used. Have them set browser.block.target_new_window or send them a memo to use the middle mouse button :-) Jochem ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189265 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Firefox Tabs
How about just telling them to hold down the control button while clicking the link. Surely even your users aren't that silly. ;) Wana bet! This is the method I have been using so far, but I have had complaints from users that while on the phone they don't want to use both hands, one on the Kbd, one on the mouse. Some of my users are really special SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue 0; 0 rows returned You could even include a control button image for those text-challenged. Nice idea ;-) -- Jay ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189267 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Firefox Tabs
IMHO, this is a bad design choice on behalf of Mozilla. As a developer, you should be able to specify where link opens via JavaScript. If the use has the defaults set in the browser, then the JS code gets presedence. If they have window opening params explicitly set, the page opens where they'd like it to be. This is how CSS works! Users can always override stylesheets in pages with browser settings. It's a shame not to be able to spawn new tabs programmatically. Adkins, Randy wrote: Simple answer: NO _Blank opens in a new window -- Alex Sherwood PHS Collection Agency Web: www.phs-net.com ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189268 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Firefox Tabs
James Smith wrote: Ok, aparenntly everyone is having a bad day and doesn't want to give me a simple answer. Sean gave you the simple and correct answer. You choose not to accept it. My users are not developers, geeks, or any other breed of user who know how to set up these things. If your users are unable to use the middle mouse button or to press control while clicking you are in serious need of better users. IMHO, investing more resources on finding a workaround to save them a few clicks is not money well spend. Jochem ~| This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189269 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Firefox Tabs
Ok, aparenntly everyone is having a bad day and doesn't want to give me a simple answer. My users are not developers, geeks, or any other breed of user who know how to set up these things. It is all most of them can do to figure out the power button. No one's having a bad day. The only simple answer is no. More complicated answers are essentially, probably not except within certain narrow circumstances. Question Is there any way, by target, JS, or any other means, of opening a link in a new tab in firefox. No. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189270 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Firefox Tabs
My users are not developers, geeks, or any other breed of user who know how to set up these things. If your users are unable to use the middle mouse button or to press control while clicking you are in serious need of better users. IMHO, investing more resources on finding a workaround to save them a few clicks is not money well spend. The lack of a middle mouse button procludes them clicking with it, and as I said the Ctrl button requires a second hand that the users don't want to use. While I agree it is not the most effective use of money, it is there money and they want to spend it. -- Jay ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189271 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Firefox Tabs
James Smith wrote: The lack of a middle mouse button procludes them clicking with it, and as I said the Ctrl button requires a second hand that the users don't want to use. While I agree it is not the most effective use of money, it is there money and they want to spend it. If we are not talking thousands of users, they might want to spend it here: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=299285pfp=BROWSE Jochem ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189272 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Firefox Tabs
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 17:36:37 +0100, Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Smith wrote: Ok, aparenntly everyone is having a bad day and doesn't want to give me a simple answer. Sean gave you the simple and correct answer. You choose not to accept it. Thank you Jochem. I fired off my response as soon as I saw James' question - before I'd even gotten out of bed, in fact - and I was genuinely trying to be helpful and give him the simplest but informative answer possible. James, I'm sorry you don't like the answers you are getting but instead of assuming we're having a bad day - which I wasn't until I saw your response - perhaps you could assume that we're trying to *help*? It's responses like yours that make people throw up their hands and think Fine, maybe I just won't bother trying to help these people. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/ Team Fusebox -- http://www.fusebox.org/ Breeze Me! -- http://www.corfield.org/breezeme Got Gmail? -- I have 6 invites to give away! If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:189286 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
