RE: SOLVED - SORT OF: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-19 Thread Stacy Young
I changed the location of my JAR to {cfroot}/lib and all is fine with
CF7. :)

As for WSDL2CFML...that's exactly what I was getting at...a tool that
would outline the required CF data format required to pass into a web
service. Exactly how dreamweaver does it now with the web service and
the cfinvoke tag itself...except this new tool would just drop the data
structure on ur page. Would make things a cynch!

Stace

-Original Message-
From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 12:17 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: SOLVED - SORT OF: Is there a way to see webservice request
generated by CFMX?

>Stace <- Guy lol ;-)

Doh! My bad.

>Finally got everything to work using Java...actually went pretty
smooth.
>There's a desperate need for a WSDL2CFML tool  Life would be so
much
>easier lol...

To some extent that's what cfinvoke already does, and for what it
achieves it works very well. IMHO the general promise of web services
has not been achieved because it is too hard to consume them. If
cfinvoke could be made to work well enough to consume more complex
services, it would be a huge win for Macromedia. I almost think
WSDl2CFML would be too low level, but it would be extremely useful to be
able to dump  the Java object(s) that cfinvoke uses for a particular web
service call. That single feature (albeit a complicated one to create)
would be a huge advance from where we are now, as would a debug
interface for web service calls. 


>
>One major drawback though is having to remove the webservices.jar from
>the cfmx classpath. Any time u invoke web services via java there's a
>funky class loading issue with another jar within jrun (same name).
>
>CFMX 7 has the same problem but the jars are different so I still have
>an issue there... :(

I don't have this problem with CFMX 7. I compiled my Java class using
the Axis libraries in CFMX 7. You can see the details in this MACR forum
post:

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=
7&threadid=953556&highlight_key=y

Rob

>Cheers,
>Stace
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:09 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: FW: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by
>CFMX?
>
>I like the mindreef tool for seeing the SOAP request, but she will
still
>need to build the struct to pass to the cfinvoke call by hand. It's
fine
>for simple calls, but for complex WS calls it just plain doesn't cut
it.
>In my case, I had a SOAP packet to work from and I still ended up going
>with Java. My argument collection struct was 200 lines long and I just
>couldn't get it to invoke, and CF doesn't have any real debugging
engine
>to let me know what went wrong, so I was stuck. Ultimatey, the Java
>solution was FAR easier.



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Re: SOLVED - SORT OF: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-16 Thread Robert Munn
>Stace <- Guy lol ;-)

Doh! My bad.

>Finally got everything to work using Java...actually went pretty smooth.
>There's a desperate need for a WSDL2CFML tool  Life would be so much
>easier lol...

To some extent that's what cfinvoke already does, and for what it achieves it 
works very well. IMHO the general promise of web services has not been achieved 
because it is too hard to consume them. If cfinvoke could be made to work well 
enough to consume more complex services, it would be a huge win for Macromedia. 
I almost think WSDl2CFML would be too low level, but it would be extremely 
useful to be able to dump  the Java object(s) that cfinvoke uses for a 
particular web service call. That single feature (albeit a complicated one to 
create) would be a huge advance from where we are now, as would a debug 
interface for web service calls. 


>
>One major drawback though is having to remove the webservices.jar from
>the cfmx classpath. Any time u invoke web services via java there's a
>funky class loading issue with another jar within jrun (same name).
>
>CFMX 7 has the same problem but the jars are different so I still have
>an issue there... :(

I don't have this problem with CFMX 7. I compiled my Java class using the Axis 
libraries in CFMX 7. You can see the details in this MACR forum post:

http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=953556&highlight_key=y

Rob

>Cheers,
>Stace
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:09 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: FW: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by
>CFMX?
>
>I like the mindreef tool for seeing the SOAP request, but she will still
>need to build the struct to pass to the cfinvoke call by hand. It's fine
>for simple calls, but for complex WS calls it just plain doesn't cut it.
>In my case, I had a SOAP packet to work from and I still ended up going
>with Java. My argument collection struct was 200 lines long and I just
>couldn't get it to invoke, and CF doesn't have any real debugging engine
>to let me know what went wrong, so I was stuck. Ultimatey, the Java
>solution was FAR easier.

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RE: SOLVED - SORT OF: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-16 Thread Stacy Young
p.s. Turns out u can avoid this in 7.0 by dropping your JAR file in
{cfroot}/lib. Works like a charm.

Cheers,
Stace

-Original Message-
From: Stacy Young 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOLVED - SORT OF: Is there a way to see webservice request
generated by CFMX?

Stace <- Guy lol ;-)

Finally got everything to work using Java...actually went pretty smooth.
There's a desperate need for a WSDL2CFML tool  Life would be so much
easier lol...

One major drawback though is having to remove the webservices.jar from
the cfmx classpath. Any time u invoke web services via java there's a
funky class loading issue with another jar within jrun (same name).

CFMX 7 has the same problem but the jars are different so I still have
an issue there... :(

Cheers,
Stace

-Original Message-
From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FW: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by
CFMX?

I like the mindreef tool for seeing the SOAP request, but she will still
need to build the struct to pass to the cfinvoke call by hand. It's fine
for simple calls, but for complex WS calls it just plain doesn't cut it.
In my case, I had a SOAP packet to work from and I still ended up going
with Java. My argument collection struct was 200 lines long and I just
couldn't get it to invoke, and CF doesn't have any real debugging engine
to let me know what went wrong, so I was stuck. Ultimatey, the Java
solution was FAR easier.




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SOLVED - SORT OF: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-16 Thread Stacy Young
Stace <- Guy lol ;-)

Finally got everything to work using Java...actually went pretty smooth.
There's a desperate need for a WSDL2CFML tool  Life would be so much
easier lol...

One major drawback though is having to remove the webservices.jar from
the cfmx classpath. Any time u invoke web services via java there's a
funky class loading issue with another jar within jrun (same name).

CFMX 7 has the same problem but the jars are different so I still have
an issue there... :(

Cheers,
Stace

-Original Message-
From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: FW: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by
CFMX?

I like the mindreef tool for seeing the SOAP request, but she will still
need to build the struct to pass to the cfinvoke call by hand. It's fine
for simple calls, but for complex WS calls it just plain doesn't cut it.
In my case, I had a SOAP packet to work from and I still ended up going
with Java. My argument collection struct was 200 lines long and I just
couldn't get it to invoke, and CF doesn't have any real debugging engine
to let me know what went wrong, so I was stuck. Ultimatey, the Java
solution was FAR easier.



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Re: FW: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-13 Thread Bryan Stevenson
glad ya got it sortedwasn't sure the Mindreef options was making it 
through the barrage of replies ;-)

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Re: FW: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-13 Thread Robert Munn
I like the mindreef tool for seeing the SOAP request, but she will still need 
to build the struct to pass to the cfinvoke call by hand. It's fine for simple 
calls, but for complex WS calls it just plain doesn't cut it. In my case, I had 
a SOAP packet to work from and I still ended up going with Java. My argument 
collection struct was 200 lines long and I just couldn't get it to invoke, and 
CF doesn't have any real debugging engine to let me know what went wrong, so I 
was stuck. Ultimatey, the Java solution was FAR easier.

>rhhhfor the 3rd time...try www.mindreef.net use their 
>web-based webservice testing toolyou'll get what you're after in 5 
>minutes or less
>
>If you've already tried then reply telling me so and I'll shut up
>
>If you haven't...save yourself a tonne of grief (which I've already gone 
>through) and try the dang thing out!! ;-)
>
>Cheers
>
>Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
>VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
>Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
>phone: 250.480.0642
>fax: 250.480.1264
>cell: 250.920.8830
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Re: FW: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-13 Thread Bryan Stevenson
rhhhfor the 3rd time...try www.mindreef.net use their 
web-based webservice testing toolyou'll get what you're after in 5 
minutes or less

If you've already tried then reply telling me so and I'll shut up

If you haven't...save yourself a tonne of grief (which I've already gone 
through) and try the dang thing out!! ;-)

Cheers

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Re: FW: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-13 Thread Robert Munn
Stacy,

I had this same problem and ended up building the solution in Java using 
WSDl2Java and invoking the Java classes from CF.

CF is great for simple Web service calls, but with complex Web service calls, 
it is extremely tough to get the data structure right, and there is absoluely 
no debugging facility to help you. 

If you are bound and determined to use CF natively to access the Web service, 
see if you can get an example SOAP packet of an actual request to the service. 
That might give you enough info to reverse-engineer the data structure. 

Otherwise, Java is the way to go. It took a lot of work to figure out the first 
time, but now that I know how to use WSDL2Java, I can do this fairly readily in 
CFMX 7. I wrote an article about it for CFDJ if you want to see what I did. 
Feel free to ping me off list if you have any questions.

Rob

>I've used those tools before...but what I'm trying to outline here is
>that there *IS* no request to analyze...it won't even make it out of the
>cfmx box until the local call validates against the method signature of
>the service in question!
>
>1) CFMX takes cfinvoke tag with arguments and attempts to translate to
>SOAP request
>2) Validates against local cached wsdl
>3) Exception is thrown due to argument mismatch.
>
>At no point is there a remote call made. The underlying issue is trying
>to figure out what the proper CF structure needs to be...
>
>Either I'm sniffing glue here or just very poor at explaining the issue
>;)
>
>Stace
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:24 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?
>
>Bryan the broken record says:
>
>On 9/8/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> have a lok at the tools at mindreef.netvery cool!!
>>
>
>This will show your WS request and response in XML, raw, ascii, and 
>hexif you really need all those ;-)
>
>Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
>VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
>Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
>phone: 250.480.0642
>fax: 250.480.1264
>cell: 250.920.8830
>e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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FW: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-13 Thread Stacy Young
I've used those tools before...but what I'm trying to outline here is
that there *IS* no request to analyze...it won't even make it out of the
cfmx box until the local call validates against the method signature of
the service in question!

1) CFMX takes cfinvoke tag with arguments and attempts to translate to
SOAP request
2) Validates against local cached wsdl
3) Exception is thrown due to argument mismatch.

At no point is there a remote call made. The underlying issue is trying
to figure out what the proper CF structure needs to be...

Either I'm sniffing glue here or just very poor at explaining the issue
;)

Stace


-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 4:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

Bryan the broken record says:

On 9/8/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> have a lok at the tools at mindreef.netvery cool!!
>

This will show your WS request and response in XML, raw, ascii, and 
hexif you really need all those ;-)

Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
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Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
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RE: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-13 Thread kola.oyedeji
Stacy did you try using the TCPMonitor tool which ships with cf?

Technote
http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=tn_19352

Flash Video
http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/ts/documents/tcpmonitor/tcpmon.
htm

Tips on using it with webservices
http://coolskool.blog-city.com/debugging_webservices_in_cfmx.htm



Kola

> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 08 September 2005 20:33
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?
> 
> Trying to debug a complex xml document based web service. Is there way
> to see how cfmx is translating my parameters into the webservice
> request?
> 
> Thx!
> Stace
> 
> ~
> 

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Re: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-12 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Bryan the broken record says:

On 9/8/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> have a lok at the tools at mindreef.netvery cool!!
>

This will show your WS request and response in XML, raw, ascii, and 
hexif you really need all those ;-)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Stacy Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: RE: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?


> Won't help...this is cfmx consuming a web service deployed in j2ee.
> Getting argument mismatch exception which means I don't even think the
> request goes out...so nothing to capture. I believe CF is trying to
> validate against the locally cached wsdl.
>
> This document has helped:
> http://hcc.musc.edu/research/shared_resources/xml_complex_types_to_cf_st
> ructure_notes.cfm
>
> Banging my head against the wall... :(
>
> -Stace
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 7:26 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?
>
> Point your test to a local WS. In the local WS, use the new
> getSOAPRequest or getSOAPRequestHeader functions. This assumes you
> have CFMX7 of course.
>
>
> On 9/8/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> have a lok at the tools at mindreef.netvery cool!!
>>
>> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
>> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
>> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
>> phone: 250.480.0642
>> fax: 250.480.1264
>> cell: 250.920.8830
>> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> web: www.electricedgesystems.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

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RE: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-12 Thread Stacy Young
Won't help...this is cfmx consuming a web service deployed in j2ee.
Getting argument mismatch exception which means I don't even think the
request goes out...so nothing to capture. I believe CF is trying to
validate against the locally cached wsdl.

This document has helped:
http://hcc.musc.edu/research/shared_resources/xml_complex_types_to_cf_st
ructure_notes.cfm

Banging my head against the wall... :(

-Stace

-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 7:26 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

Point your test to a local WS. In the local WS, use the new
getSOAPRequest or getSOAPRequestHeader functions. This assumes you
have CFMX7 of course.


On 9/8/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> have a lok at the tools at mindreef.netvery cool!!
> 
> Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> phone: 250.480.0642
> fax: 250.480.1264
> cell: 250.920.8830
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: www.electricedgesystems.com
> 
> 



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Re: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-09 Thread Raymond Camden
Point your test to a local WS. In the local WS, use the new
getSOAPRequest or getSOAPRequestHeader functions. This assumes you
have CFMX7 of course.


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Re: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-08 Thread Barney Boisvert
Yeah, run a packet sniffer on your server, and have it catch the
packets.  Ethereal in a GUI  and tcpdump on command-line *nix to
generate a capture file that can be viewed with Ethereal on your
workstation.

cheers,
barneyb

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> Trying to debug a complex xml document based web service. Is there way
> to see how cfmx is translating my parameters into the webservice
> request?
> 
> Thx!
> Stace
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Re: Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-08 Thread Bryan Stevenson
have a lok at the tools at mindreef.netvery cool!!

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Is there a way to see webservice request generated by CFMX?

2005-09-08 Thread Stacy Young
Trying to debug a complex xml document based web service. Is there way
to see how cfmx is translating my parameters into the webservice
request?

Thx!
Stace

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