RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
Can you rack-mount those new iMacs? Yes, now you can... and quite nicely! http://www.apple.com/xserve/ I was counting the minutes until you posted this! I am not up on server prices, but I imagine the latest from apple are competitive on p/p, no? Close, but until the hardware-based SCSI RAID 5 is available (I don't think it is, yet), I reserve judgment. I still don't think these are going to displace Intel or SPARC servers to any significant degree, even if I think they're technically pretty good. I'm waiting to hear how you got CF MX working on OS X, though - we're getting a new OS X TiBook here in a couple of weeks, and I might give it a whirl. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
On Wednesday, March 20, 2002, at 12:15 PM, Dave Watts wrote: And again, while OS X can run all this nifty software, who's actually buying servers from Apple? http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,50454,00.html Can you rack-mount those new iMacs? Yes, now you can... and quite nicely! http://www.apple.com/xserve/ http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/gvs9000/ Macs pack serious power. Yes, but at a pretty poor price/performance point for general business computing. Floating-point math (using AltiVec on PPC) is one thing, relational database front-ends are another. I'm not a big fan of IDE-based RAID, either, which is what Terra Soft offers, I think. I am not up on server prices, but I imagine the latest from apple are competitive on p/p, no? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
Wow, those look freaking amazing. Yes, now you can... and quite nicely! http://www.apple.com/xserve/ Tony Schreiber, Senior Partner Man and Machine, Limited mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technocraft.com http://www.simplemessageboard.com ___Free Forum Software for Cold Fusion http://www.is300.net ___The Enthusiast's Home of the Lexus IS300 http://www.digitacamera.com __DigitA Camera Scripts and Tips http://www.linklabexchange.com _Miata Link ECU Data Exchange __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
Wow, those look freaking amazing. Just wait until they start making them in five different fluorescent colors like their iMacs. g Look at me! I have the prettiest server rack in town! -- Joe Schmoe, Future XServe owner. Ben Johnson Hostworks, Inc. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
Wow, those look freaking amazing. Just wait until they start making them in five different fluorescent colors like their iMacs. g But I love the brushed aluminum look, very nice. Tony Schreiber, Senior Partner Man and Machine, Limited mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technocraft.com http://www.simplemessageboard.com ___Free Forum Software for Cold Fusion http://www.is300.net ___The Enthusiast's Home of the Lexus IS300 http://www.digitacamera.com __DigitA Camera Scripts and Tips http://www.linklabexchange.com _Miata Link ECU Data Exchange __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
But what about the security issue. Has there been a Mac virus since late 80's. The ultimate in poor performance is being hacked. Mac servers might be great for the market segment MM is trying to appeal to with CF. -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:16 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting And again, while OS X can run all this nifty software, who's actually buying servers from Apple? http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,50454,00.html Can you rack-mount those new iMacs? http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/gvs9000/ Macs pack serious power. Yes, but at a pretty poor price/performance point for general business computing. Floating-point math (using AltiVec on PPC) is one thing, relational database front-ends are another. I'm not a big fan of IDE-based RAID, either, which is what Terra Soft offers, I think. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
But what about the security issue. Has there been a Mac virus since late 80's. The ultimate in poor performance is being hacked. Mac servers might be great for the market segment MM is trying to appeal to with CF. There aren't too many viruses for Amiga, either, I suppose, so let's all run Amiga servers! Seriously, the problems of server security are significantly different from those of desktop security. You can do all sorts of bad security things on Solaris or Linux with CF now, and OS X wouldn't be any different. Sure, the default install of Apache is more secure than the default install of IIS, but that doesn't have anything to do with OS X - you can just as easily run Apache on any current, commonly used server platform. If you do use IIS, which in my opinion is the best overall web server for Windows despite the security flaws in its default install, then you learn the simple procedures for securing IIS. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
I would ask myself if OSX controlled enough of the server market to justify the cost of producing CF for that OS. It would be cool, but is it worth the effort? :) -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting Does anyone know of a port of CF to Mac OS X? I have been fooling around with using OS X as a development and testing environment for the web. OS X comes standard with the following already installed: BSD Unix (Underlying operating system for OS X) Apache Web Server Perl php * * php has an interesting capability to create an executable program without use of the web API... so you could create a stand-alone desktop app, with SQL databases and put it in a kiosk or distribute it on a CD,.. this is a feature that some have requested in CF Java WDDX and XML various mail servers CLI with various shells OSA Scripting (AppleScript) The OSA Scripting and the CLI can execute scripts which control any of the OS programs (including eachother, e.g. AppleScript can invoke a CLI script which, in turn, can invoke an AppleScript... or a php, Perl, or Java program...yadda, yadda yadda). So, from a web page or an email, you can invoke any of the above to serve a web page or do something more esoteric: Reset/update the system clock Start/schedule a Cron job Backup the system or a database Call someone on their pager Reboot a server In addition to the standard programs/languages you can easily install things such as: JSP Python, et. al. MySql PostgreSQL ImageMagic XWindows Gimp or any other open-source 'Nix programs/languages Only one thing (really important to me) is missing... my development language of choice... ColdFusion I don't understand why MM has not released CF for OS X... it seems a natural. Any help/comments appreciated TIA Dick __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
Ahh, but... It isn't an OS X server... it is a standard Apache server... Apache runs more than 50% of the web servers, from what I've read It's more a what flavor of 'Nix issue... CF runs on Linux and HP_UX. Dicl On Wednesday, March 20, 2002, at 10:07 AM, Carlisle, Eric wrote: I would ask myself if OSX controlled enough of the server market to justify the cost of producing CF for that OS. It would be cool, but is it worth the effort? :) __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
I don't understand why MM has not released CF for OS X... it seems a natural. My guess is that it's because OS X isn't a server platform. Just because it can run server software doesn't make it a serious server platform. However, that being said, you might be able to get the Linux version running on there in BSD's Linux compatibility mode. Also, I suspect that Neo will run on OS X in that it'll probably be released for BSD. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
It's more a what flavor of 'Nix issue... CF runs on Linux and HP_UX. .. and Solaris. It's worth noting, though, that there can be quite a bit of variation between one flavor of Unix and another, and MM has been pretty conservative about what's a supported configuration. There'll be more concern for getting other flavors of Unix/Linux on Intel supported, I think, before anyone at MM cares to support OS X. For an idea of how complex these issues can get, check out the archive for the cf-linux list. Also, I'm not sure whether you can just take binaries from other platforms and run them on OS X. I suspect not - Mac processors are big-endian and Intel processors are little-endian (or is it the other way around - I can never remember), so you probably can't just run the Linux version in compatibility mode, like I suggested a minute ago. And again, while OS X can run all this nifty software, who's actually buying servers from Apple? Can you rack-mount those new iMacs? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
Can you rack-mount those new iMacs? Nope, but if you lick their bases you can stick them to a window! :) J -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 18:38 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting It's more a what flavor of 'Nix issue... CF runs on Linux and HP_UX. . and Solaris. It's worth noting, though, that there can be quite a bit of variation between one flavor of Unix and another, and MM has been pretty conservative about what's a supported configuration. There'll be more concern for getting other flavors of Unix/Linux on Intel supported, I think, before anyone at MM cares to support OS X. For an idea of how complex these issues can get, check out the archive for the cf-linux list. Also, I'm not sure whether you can just take binaries from other platforms and run them on OS X. I suspect not - Mac processors are big-endian and Intel processors are little-endian (or is it the other way around - I can never remember), so you probably can't just run the Linux version in compatibility mode, like I suggested a minute ago. And again, while OS X can run all this nifty software, who's actually buying servers from Apple? Can you rack-mount those new iMacs? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
On Wednesday, March 20, 2002, at 10:39 AM, James Maltby wrote: Can you rack-mount those new iMacs? Nope, but if you lick their bases you can stick them to a window! :) J Aww, c'mon... that's not true... everyone knows that you stick 'em on the 'frige! Dick __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
Dave Watts wrote: And again, while OS X can run all this nifty software, who's actually buying servers from Apple? http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,50454,00.html Can you rack-mount those new iMacs? http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/gvs9000/ Macs pack serious power. Jochem __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: [SOT] CF on OS X... just venting
And again, while OS X can run all this nifty software, who's actually buying servers from Apple? http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,50454,00.html Can you rack-mount those new iMacs? http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/products/gvs9000/ Macs pack serious power. Yes, but at a pretty poor price/performance point for general business computing. Floating-point math (using AltiVec on PPC) is one thing, relational database front-ends are another. I'm not a big fan of IDE-based RAID, either, which is what Terra Soft offers, I think. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
