RE: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
Oh. Damn. 0_0 You don't get money just from people clicking the Ads? Well that sucks. It's not your fault if they don't want to buy a product that they've seen. TV Stations are paid regardless of if someone actually calls the 1-800 number on the screen to order anything. Billboard space is paid for regardless of whether Pepsi's sales margins in an area go up or not. Why should web based advertising be any different? -Gel -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
On Wednesday 05 Nov 2003 18:47 pm, Michael Dinowitz wrote: You probably had a number (50 or so) dashes, tildas or the like between the data sets. The list has been set for a long time to treat 50 or more of these elements in a row as the list footer and remove everything past it. Why not include some probably unique combination of ~ and - as the footer deliminater ? Then you wouldn't catch other things by accident. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
You don't get money just from people clicking the Ads? Well that sucks. It's not your fault if they don't want to buy a product that they've seen. TV Stations are paid regardless of if someone actually calls the 1-800 number on the screen to order anything. Billboard space is paid for regardless of whether Pepsi's sales margins in an area go up or not. Why should web based advertising be any different? Because advertisers aren't willing to pay for click-throughs? Because there's effectively an infinite amount of advertising space on the web, unlike on TV or in the real world? Because web advertising isn't as effective as other forms of advertising? I suspect that web advertising is largely a buyer's market. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
On Tuesday 04 Nov 2003 18:27 pm, Bill Doerrfeld wrote: Top 20 Contributors by Number of Posts [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
Not only did the list of contributors vanish, so did my comment that they had... -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
Must have been due to the move to HTML? I know that Sean Corfield left, vocally on his blog but respectfully not on this list. I have to use Lotus Notes R5 at work and it sucks - no plain text option and clunky as hell. Aarrggh! Money is good though. Peter Tilbrook ColdFusion Applications Developer ColdGen Internet Solutions Manager, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group - http://www.actcfug.com 4/73 Tharwa Road Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620 AUSTRALIA Telephone: +61-2-6284-2727 Mobile: +61-0439-401-823 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] World Wide Web: http:/www.coldgen.com/ -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 5 November 2003 8:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003 Not only did the list of contributors vanish, so did my comment that they had... -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
Can we do a stats search ourself? A drop of 10% from one month to the next may or may not be significant when taken in context of other months eh? ;-) July had a grand total of 977 posts according to a search on everything done between 01 July and 31 July 2003. In fact the list statistics from 2002 are as follows: Posts per month: 1-3392 2-3013 3-3927 4-4409 5-4422 6-1806 So it seems that the list has natural fluctuations in number of posts and who makes those posts from month to month since we did not have HTML mail back then. Ergo it is not possible to attribute a 10% fall off in posts to a switch to HTML mail simply by looking at the number of posts. I wonder how many people would disappear if we all had to pay a yearly/monthly subscription for these lists? -Gel [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
On Wednesday 05 Nov 2003 11:54 am, Angel Stewart wrote: I wonder how many people would disappear if we all had to pay a yearly/monthly subscription for these lists? I'd go. Why pay for something I can get elsewhere for free ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
We have had this discussion over on CF-Community before. Some felt that paying a very small fee would be worth it from the knowledge that you get here. -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003 On Wednesday 05 Nov 2003 11:54 am, Angel Stewart wrote: I wonder how many people would disappear if we all had to pay a yearly/monthly subscription for these lists? I'd go. Why pay for something I can get elsewhere for free ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
OT: RE: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
Probably has to do with the automagic comment removal system that strips out extraneous copies of the footer.Perhaps it's looking for a line of tilde characters and the stats report generates that as well. Hatton -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 4:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003 Not only did the list of contributors vanish, so did my comment that they had... -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
What about everything else I said? I'd go. Why pay for something I can get elsewhere for free ? Good...for a moment I was wondering if you didn't comprehend the reason for using HTML in the emails. -Gel -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wednesday 05 Nov 2003 11:54 am, Angel Stewart wrote: I wonder how many people would disappear if we all had to pay a yearly/monthly subscription for these lists? I'd go. Why pay for something I can get elsewhere for free ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
Thanks, Bill! I'm not sure why the top 20 contributors were cut off there, but I'm sure Michael will look into it when he has a minute. Don't forget, we also have searchable archives right on House of Fusion: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4/11:05:2003 (CF-Talk) http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/ (All lists -- simply click on the list name at the left) Judith Dinowitz Mistress of the House House of Fusion - Original Message - From: Bill Doerrfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003 Searchable archives for this list are available at http://www.listsearch.com/cf-talk.lasso --- CF-Talk Stats October, 2003 --- Note: Up/Down % as compared with September, 2003 Posts:3724 (Down 10%) Authors:431 (Down2%) Threads:805 (Up 8%) Top 20 Contributors by Number of Posts [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
Here's the post resent. In this post I've removed all instances of lengthy successive underscore characters (more than those characters used above and below the CF-Talk Stats report header) that were used in the prior post to help visually divide sections of this report. Hopefully this will come through as intended. Apologies for the repost. - Searchable archives for this list are available at http://www.listsearch.com/cf-talk.lasso --- CF-Talk Stats October, 2003 --- Note: Up/Down % as compared with September, 2003 Posts:3724 (Down 10%) Authors:431 (Down2%) Threads:805 (Up 8%) Top 20 Contributors by Number of Posts Tony Weeg 124 Jochem van Dieten103 Dave Watts 96 Barney Boisvert78 Bushy77 Raymond Camden75 Jim Davis73 Thomas Chiverton 70 Michael Dinowitz 57 Tangorre, Michael55 Calvin Ward51 Matt Liotta51 Craig Dudley43 Bryan Stevenson42 ColdFusion Programmer41 Claude Schneegans40 Matt Robertson40 Pascal Peters 38 cf-talk 38 Mark A. Kruger - CFG35 Top 20 Threads by Number of Posts SES urls on CFMX 6.141 application.cfm37 Antivirus software on web server37 How can it be done ?37 Macromedia sinks on sales news34 Sorting IP Addresses30 Scope Locking ( Blue Dragon and Fusebox) 29 Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!28 Giving up on DW 2004 MX28 number of occurrences in a string. 28 SQL Statement help! 27 security flaw in web services25 lite source control for Homesite+ ? 24 OT (wasMacromedia sinks on sales news) 23 Looping through a list, setting each listItem to a column21 CFMX 6.1 on Windows 2003 = Service Unavailable !!!20 html emails with _javascript_ in outlook20 RSS feed20 sql question pt 219 Customg tag that will ring a phone 18 Top 20 Search Terms by Number of Requests password 5 rewriterule 5 function 5 mod_rewrite 5 mysql 4 coldfusion3 statistics2 contain2 a2 cfmail2 rewrite2 email 2 rule2 JRun2 did2 closed2 not2 connection2 X1 session1 -- [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
RE: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
At 7:54 AM -0400 11/5/03, Angel Stewart wrote: A drop of 10% from one month to the next may or may not be significant when taken in context of other months eh? ;-) Agreed. Such fluctuation is completely normal and shouldn't be misconstrued to signify any change in the level of participation or significance of the list. There are many factors influencing discussion volume including: the season of the year, big industry news, product releases and other hot topics. -- [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
I'm not against paying, but I would recommend a FREE-FEE model. maybe charge a membership fee which gives access to some extended/enhancement features like... - links to archive page for particular thread. - first up, priority list delivery - serverside filtering - best practices database - editorial content - list moderation options (web based customization) just a dump. but the revenue stream would justify some extended feature development. In fact I would subscribe to houseoffusion - if there was a demonstrated commitment to some new features, and maybe some access to contribute ideas and development. Maybe let Michael define a proprietary core list/web engine w/ an open API for us to build extended (community subscriber open source) modules for the community. I could commit to $25 per year x 5 years (annual subscription) without thinking. not big $$$ - but not sure if you could squeeze more out of me. 200 subscribers = $5000 per year. $4 per month? $6 per month? Also subscribers get access to a fixed rate buy now, surplus reverse auction ad inventory for email tags, and website directory and banner rotation advertising. (meaning all traffic would have some revenue). Eric - Original Message - From: Dan Phillips (CFXHosting.com) To: CF-Talk Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: RE: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003 We have had this discussion over on CF-Community before. Some felt that paying a very small fee would be worth it from the knowledge that you get here. -Original Message- From: Thomas Chiverton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: [Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003 On Wednesday 05 Nov 2003 11:54 am, Angel Stewart wrote: I wonder how many people would disappear if we all had to pay a yearly/monthly subscription for these lists? I'd go. Why pay for something I can get elsewhere for free ? -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44(0)1749 834997 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834901 web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG. *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:[Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
Not only did the list of contributors vanish, so did my comment that they had... You probably had a number (50 or so) dashes, tildas or the like between the data sets. The list has been set for a long time to treat 50 or more of these elements in a row as the list footer and remove everything past it. It's not a new feature or an HTML thing but a list cleanup feature. Sorry you got caught by it. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:[Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
Must have been due to the move to HTML? I know that Sean Corfield left, vocally on his blog but respectfully not on this list. Nope. Due to the footer cleanup code. The text footer cleanup code actually. :) I have to use Lotus Notes R5 at work and it sucks - no plain text option and clunky as hell. Aarrggh! The text only settings works perfectly and you can select that as an option in the subscription link at the bottom of all posts. Money is good though. If I was making then it would be. I've gotten a single sale through the affiliates links after over 400,000 views. Still, every bit helps. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
Re:[Stats] CF-Talk: October 2003
Can we do a stats search ourself? I'll have that build in tonight. Till then, you can use this to view the stats for CF-Talk for the last year: http://houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/stats.cfm A drop of 10% from one month to the next may or may not be significant when taken in context of other months eh? ;-) True. There is so much happening on this and other lists that the CF-Talk stats alone are not to useful. If you took all of the lists and all the stats with website usage as well then we would have something useful. The HoF site usage has been up which may mean more people are reading through the archives. I wonder how many people would disappear if we all had to pay a yearly/monthly subscription for these lists? Lots actually. I've avoided any hint of charging and have even kept FA from being moved to a 'for fee' model as I knew people would leave. This is the whole reason for the attempt at banner ads. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings]
