Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Another opportunity to expand your skill-set then. :) As long as you're willing to learn, the basics of Linux (etc) are not actually that hard. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325496 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Try both, see which one you prefer. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325366 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
My suggestion would be .Net. If you go the c# route the code is pretty much identical to java. I'm not sure what your local market is like but on most job boards I have been on, the ASP.Net jobs seem to outnumber the java ones. In order to learn ASP.Net try taking one of the CF Apps you've been working on and convert it to ASP.Net. Duane -Original Message- From: Chris Johnson [mailto:u...@askugg.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:19 AM To: cf-talk Subject: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to abandon CF at all, but this is a time where flexibility will be key and I'd like to be able to spread a wider net should job seeking become a factor again. Through a couple early searches, there are a few opportunities that list CF as a *PLUS*, while the core competency is either .NET or JAVA. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? JAVA is a different beast altogether, but seeing as I've been making use of some JAVA in CF7 and CF8 a little here and there, it seems like it would be somewhat familiar at least in the critical getting started phase. Thoughts? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325367 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
My suggestion would be .Net. If you go the c# route the code is pretty much identical to java. Uh... and if he goes the Java route the code is pretty much identical to C#. Although I wouldn't actually use identical; they're very similar but there *are* differences. Again, the best thing is to try *both* and find which one fits him best. Subjective opinions on which one is better aren't a good thing to base a potential career move on. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325373 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Sorry I was under the impression Chris was looking for opinions. -Original Message- From: Peter Boughton [mailto:bought...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:06 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer My suggestion would be .Net. If you go the c# route the code is pretty much identical to java. Uh... and if he goes the Java route the code is pretty much identical to C#. Although I wouldn't actually use identical; they're very similar but there *are* differences. Again, the best thing is to try *both* and find which one fits him best. Subjective opinions on which one is better aren't a good thing to base a potential career move on. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325374 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Sorry I was under the impression Chris was looking for opinions. Well he was, but mine is that he probably shouldn't be - not unless he can verify that it is an objective and balanced opinion from someone with good experience of both. (Not wanting any of this to come across as offensive/etc) Your suggestion of converting an existing app (or part of one) as part of learning a language is a good one, but the rest of your post just seems a bit 'flimsy' to me. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325376 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Both technologies would be substantial shifts from what a CF programmer is used to. Both .NET and Java benefit from having a college education in engineering / computer science, or the equivalent years of experience, since both are have high learning curves. Another technology to learn is Adobe Flex, which is a fantastic emerging technology that you would be able to use to complement existing CF Web sites while learning. Adobe Flex also involves a substantial shift in thinking, but you would be able to reuse your CF knowledge to power the database interactions, since Adobe Flex is only the UI layer. -Mike Chabot On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Chris Johnsonu...@askugg.com wrote: With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to abandon CF at all, but this is a time where flexibility will be key and I'd like to be able to spread a wider net should job seeking become a factor again. Through a couple early searches, there are a few opportunities that list CF as a *PLUS*, while the core competency is either .NET or JAVA. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? JAVA is a different beast altogether, but seeing as I've been making use of some JAVA in CF7 and CF8 a little here and there, it seems like it would be somewhat familiar at least in the critical getting started phase. Thoughts? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325377 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
One advantage of choosing Java will be a deeper understanding of CF - increasing your value as a CF developer at well as giving you a second language. Dominic 2009/8/12 Chris Johnson u...@askugg.com With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to abandon CF at all, but this is a time where flexibility will be key and I'd like to be able to spread a wider net should job seeking become a factor again. Through a couple early searches, there are a few opportunities that list CF as a *PLUS*, while the core competency is either .NET or JAVA. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? JAVA is a different beast altogether, but seeing as I've been making use of some JAVA in CF7 and CF8 a little here and there, it seems like it would be somewhat familiar at least in the critical getting started phase. Thoughts? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325378 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
+1 to what Peter Said. I recently converted a VB.net app to CF and I must say that I really took a shine to it. MS has an amazing tool set (as does Java for that matter) and I got comfortable in the environment rather quickly. ASP.net reminded me a lot of CF in some respects. The Code Behind aspect reminded me a lot of of using cfms with cfcs. But speaking from a job market prospect Flex is a hot commodity and dove tails very nicely with CF. my $0.02 and worth every penny. G! On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:26 AM, Peter Boughton bought...@gmail.com wrote: Try both, see which one you prefer. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325379 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Lots of jobs doesn't = good paying jobs. Markets flooded with .net php devers don't pay crap and why should they when they have plenty of people who will take next to nothing. I was talking the other day with the head of a php shop and I think he sh*t himself when he looked through a few cfm jobs online and saw what they pay compared to php ones. 40-50k for av php and 80K+ for cfm ones. I'd go with java since there aren't as many out there to drive the price down. There is no way in hell I would take half the money and have to work with windows.. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325380 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325382 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325384 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325385 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
If you are out of a job, Adobe is (or at least was) giving away flex builder for free. It's for learning purposes only so you can't actually use it for anything work related. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325386 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. First and foremost, a lot of the answer depends on the other language(s) you are familiar and comfortable with. If you cut your teeth on CF alone I don't know that there is much of a point of reference in any one specific direction. I had to make the shift into the .NET world and can share my thoughts on that process. Because I grew up programming in BASIC (CoCo and qBasic) and had done relatively little in C++ / JAVA, I went with the VB.NET code-behind. C# has a syntax and flow that is much like Java, as others have said. Your observation that NET isn't a *single* language is correct. Even when working with ASP.NET you're dealing with two different languages that simply share objects. In the end it all compiles to bit code and runs on the framework the same way. The biggest thing I had to learn was the concept of events. Until I had my brain wrapped around the concept that every page submits to itself by default and don't have to have things redefined for them I struggled badly. Hatton ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325387 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Flex SDK : http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/ http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/Rob On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325388 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
The SDK includes a compiler. You have to run it through the command line though. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325389 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Jake Churchillj...@cfwebtools.com wrote: If you are out of a job, Adobe is (or at least was) giving away flex builder for free. It's for learning purposes only so you can't actually use it for anything work related. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325390 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Here's a link to what and how you can get flex free from Adobe: https://freeriatools.adobe.com/ Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Rob Parkhill [mailto:robert.parkh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:52 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer Flex SDK : http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/ http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/Rob On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325391 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Ah. Didn't know it had a compiler. :) Thanks. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jake Churchillj...@cfwebtools.com wrote: The SDK includes a compiler. You have to run it through the command line though. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:48 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325392 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=flex3sdk http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=flex3sdktakes you to the SDK download. And yes, you have to compile through the command line. Rob On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Jake Churchillj...@cfwebtools.com wrote: If you are out of a job, Adobe is (or at least was) giving away flex builder for free. It's for learning purposes only so you can't actually use it for anything work related. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325393 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
AWSOME! Thank you. :) On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Jake Churchillj...@cfwebtools.com wrote: Here's a link to what and how you can get flex free from Adobe: https://freeriatools.adobe.com/ Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Rob Parkhill [mailto:robert.parkh...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:52 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer Flex SDK : http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/ http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/Rob On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: Any idea where I can find the free compiler? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Will Swainw...@hothorse.com wrote: AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325394 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. It's the first link on this page: http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/flexdownloads/ But I would really recommend that you start with Flex Builder. It's much easier, and it won't take you 60 days to figure out whether you're interested or not. You're much more likely to actually learn Flex with Flex Builder. After that, you may actually know enough about Flex to not use Flex Builder if you choose. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325395 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I second this. I couldn't imagine learning flex without the tools flexbuilder provides. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:00 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. It's the first link on this page: http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/flexdownloads/ But I would really recommend that you start with Flex Builder. It's much easier, and it won't take you 60 days to figure out whether you're interested or not. You're much more likely to actually learn Flex with Flex Builder. After that, you may actually know enough about Flex to not use Flex Builder if you choose. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325396 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
There are other alternatives to Flex Builder 3 Flash Builder 4 (was Flex builder) is in Beta. It will probably drop during Max in Oct. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashbuilder4/ There is a flexible at riaforge. http://flexible.riaforge.org/ There is another tool I ran into was Amethyst. I haven't tried it. It has been in beta for ever. http://www.sapphiresteel.com/Download-Amethyst-Adobe-Flex-IDE And you can get code complete with Eclipse using an XML editor http://unlikelyteacher.com/2008/09/26/free-alternative-to-flex-builder/ But Like Dave said Flex Builder is you best bet. G$ On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Phillip Vector vec...@mostdeadlygame.comwrote: If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Jake Churchillj...@cfwebtools.com wrote: If you are out of a job, Adobe is (or at least was) giving away flex builder for free. It's for learning purposes only so you can't actually use it for anything work related. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:w...@hothorse.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:45 AM To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer AFAIK, Flex is free, and the it's the flex builder ide that costs. You could theoretically build your flex apps in a free ide and use the free compiler to compile them. I'm sure if that's wrong someone will correct me. Will -Original Message- From: Phillip Vector [mailto:vec...@mostdeadlygame.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 15:22 To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I'm watching this convo and I'm convinced that I need to learn some Flex. But I went to the adobe site and saw only Flex Builder and it's only good for 60 days. No developer edition that I could find. Is there something I am missing? Is there a way to install flex on my desktop and play around with it without being limited to 60 days to learn it or is it a program that companies would have to buy with CF as well? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325399 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Thirded. Bear in mind the flash builder 4 beta is in labs: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashbuilder4/ and might be for more than another 60 days! Will -Original Message- From: Jake Churchill [mailto:j...@cfwebtools.com] Sent: 12 August 2009 16:07 To: cf-talk Subject: RE: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer I second this. I couldn't imagine learning flex without the tools flexbuilder provides. Jake Churchill CF Webtools 11204 Davenport, Ste. 100 Omaha, NE 68154 http://www.cfwebtools.com 402-408-3733 x103 -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:00 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer If you can point me to where that is (or if you have the install file for it), it would be appricated because everywhere on the site that I am looking, it says that it is only for 60 days and I can't seem to find a developers version anywhere. It's the first link on this page: http://www.adobe.com/products/flex/flexdownloads/ But I would really recommend that you start with Flex Builder. It's much easier, and it won't take you 60 days to figure out whether you're interested or not. You're much more likely to actually learn Flex with Flex Builder. After that, you may actually know enough about Flex to not use Flex Builder if you choose. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325400 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Well, they're actually pretty similar, so I'm not sure either would be easier or more natural than the other. If you use Java, that does have direct relevance to CF, but beyond that there really isn't one that's a better fit than the other. So, like Peter, I would suggest that you look at both - and maybe learn a bit of both. I'd also suggest that you look at the jobs and see which ones strike you as better, and use that as your guide. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? Well, you can certainly run Sharepoint in your basement. While Sharepoint is a giant pain to learn and set up, you can run it on a laptop, or even download a VM with it preinstalled. As for .NET not being a language, well, both .NET and Java really correspond to entire infrastructures. You're not just going to learn Java, you'd learn JSP and servlets and JSF, etc, etc. Both are extremely complex and powerful things. The only real difference at that level is that you have multiple .NET languages, but even that distinction is going away - you can write Java in all sorts of languages now, if you really want to. If you are going to learn .NET, I'd recommend that you learn C#, since that is (a) the most like other languages you might learn later like Java and AS3, and (b) the reference language for the .NET framework. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more informatio ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325401 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Try both, see which one you prefer. I wish I had the time, money, and mental energy to do that, but I imagine getting my head around one new language/technology will be challenging enough :) I'm a bit of a slow learner, so I'm trying to pace myself and focus on this :) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325402 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I wish I had the time, money, and mental energy to do that, but I imagine getting my head around one new language/technology will be challenging enough :) Well, actually, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the similarity between C# and Java (and AS3, if you look at that too). The underlying infrastructure is quite a bit different, as is the way you accomplish lots of specific tasks, but this is why you want to try them both. You don't actually have to learn them both fully to try building, say, a single simple web application in both. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325403 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
I suppose another factor is that I've never dealt with anything other than MS-related products on the operating system and server level. Always been on a Windows PC working with code running on IIS servers. IIRC, when I first investigated JAVA, one of the issues was my level of inexperience with non-Windows servers/OS. With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to abandon CF at all, but this is a time where flexibility will be key and I'd like to be able to spread a wider net should job seeking become a factor again. Through a couple early searches, there are a few opportunities that list CF as a *PLUS*, while the core competency is either .NET or JAVA. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? JAVA is a different beast altogether, but seeing as I've been making use of some JAVA in CF7 and CF8 a little here and there, it seems like it would be somewhat familiar at least in the critical getting started phase. Thoughts? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325404 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: .NET or JAVA? Which is a more natural step for a CF Developer
Hi Chris I had a similar issue a while back and went down the C# route, I also started a site which I have to admit I have let slip somewhat that compares CF syntax to C#.net http://www.cfdot.net Hope this helps. Jose Diaz On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Chris Johnson u...@askugg.com wrote: I suppose another factor is that I've never dealt with anything other than MS-related products on the operating system and server level. Always been on a Windows PC working with code running on IIS servers. IIRC, when I first investigated JAVA, one of the issues was my level of inexperience with non-Windows servers/OS. With the economy and market as it is, and with current employment's stability starting to wiggle, I'm being forced to investigate other options. I was curious what the group's thoughts were on the two above technologies and which would be easier/more natural to move into. Not intending to abandon CF at all, but this is a time where flexibility will be key and I'd like to be able to spread a wider net should job seeking become a factor again. Through a couple early searches, there are a few opportunities that list CF as a *PLUS*, while the core competency is either .NET or JAVA. I've looked into .NET a bit, but it seems that for someone with no access to anything on a large scale (Sharepoint, etc.), there's only so far you can go learning .NET in your basement. There's also the factor of .NET not being ONE language, but a combo of several techs rolled into one. I'm curious if .NET, while a web development language, might just look easier to the inexperienced eye? JAVA is a different beast altogether, but seeing as I've been making use of some JAVA in CF7 and CF8 a little here and there, it seems like it would be somewhat familiar at least in the critical getting started phase. Thoughts? ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:325418 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
