Re: Bluedragon Server
I'm not concerned about implementation details as a developer, I'm concerned about API and funcctionality. In this example, I believe the actcual CFMX cfsearch/cfcollection supports the search of pdfs and word documents, and the usage of additional languages other than english, ,whereas it appears BD does not support any of that. Additionally some of the search features apparently require a different syntax or return different results. My observation is that it is unlikely that anyone chooses BD because of the variances that remove, reduce or alter functionality without improving the development process. Which doesn't mean that there aren't reasons to choose BD. You may be correct about the features in Blackstone, but that's as much speculation as I've been doing. None of which alters the current reality that there are significant differences between CFMX and BD, which folks considering moving from one to another should realize may make migration between the two challenging without sufficient planning, if considering writing an app that can be resold to be deployed on either. Or alternatively writing for one only. And there are more insididous differences as well. For example you can write cfset #variablename# = my valuecfoutput#variablename#/cfoutput in CFMX, but it will error in BD. In effect, as with HTML/CSS, if you want to deploy on CFMX BD, you will be limited to a subset of both feature sets (and the usable features set probably continues to diminish if you want to consider Railo and the other one-offs). - Calvin Jeffry Houser wrote: BlueDragon has implemented cfcollection / cfsearch for a while (In their initial 6.1 release?). The underlying engine is not Verity, though. It uses one from the Apache project (I believe Lucene). It is not identical to Verity, although from the point of CF code, it doesn't make much difference. I believe a lot of the features in Blackstone are merely one layer of abstraction above issues that are relatively simple for a knowledgeable Java programmer. If so, I suspect the New Atlanta folks will be able to implement them very quickly. At 08:02 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote: Subject: Bluedragon Server From: Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 04 Nov 2004 15:17:54 -0600 Thread: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messagesthreadid=36359forumid=4#183417 I don't think that's entirely accurate. For example, isn't one of those differences is lack of support for some features in cfcollection/cfsearch? -Calvin -- Jeffry Houser, Web Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Recording Studio: http://www.fcfstudios.com My Energetic Acoustic Rock Band: http://www.farcryfly.com -- When did Reality Become TV ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183454 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
At 04:01 AM 11/5/2004, you wrote: Subject: Bluedragon Server From: Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2004 02:46:38 -0600 Thread: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messagesthreadid=36359forumid=4#183454 I'm not concerned about implementation details as a developer, I'm concerned about API and funcctionality. In this example, I believe the actcual CFMX cfsearch/cfcollection supports the search of pdfs and word documents, and the usage of additional languages other than english, ,whereas it appears BD does not support any of that. Additionally some of the search features apparently require a different syntax or return different results. I'm not sure about word docs / PDFs. You could be right. Does the searching syntax make a big difference? My users want to type in a word and get results. From the stand-point of your users, how many people actually know the verity syntax for advanced searching? I assume they want to type in a word or phrase and have it work. But, you are correct; the syntax is a bit different; because of the underlying engine. My observation is that it is unlikely that anyone chooses BD because of the variances that remove, reduce or alter functionality without improving the development process. Which doesn't mean that there aren't reasons to choose BD. I would agree. People choose BD because of the things it does better, or differently. You may be correct about the features in Blackstone, but that's as much speculation as I've been doing. None of which alters the current reality that there are significant differences between CFMX and BD, which folks considering moving from one to another should realize may make migration between the two challenging without sufficient planning, if considering writing an app that can be resold to be deployed on either. Or alternatively writing for one only. And there are more insididous differences as well. All of my CF apps worked on BD w/o change. I understand my experience is not uncommon. -- Jeffry Houser, Web Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Recording Studio: http://www.fcfstudios.com My Energetic Acoustic Rock Band: http://www.farcryfly.com -- When did Reality Become TV ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183465 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
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Re: Bluedragon Server
What about Railo or IgniteFusion? Does anyone know much about these two cfml engines? Are they up to the task, or a step behind CFMX and Bluedragon? Railo: http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm IgniteFusion: http://www.ignitefusion.com/ ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183336 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
They are still behind, but I truly hope they become powerful enough to form competition for Macromedia. For us, the developers, such competition is always good. :) Micha Schopman Software Engineer Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388 KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380 ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=35 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183337 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
I got the impression from the IgniteFusion site that their product is a cgi-based app server, as opposed to java-based like all other cfml engines these days. Anyone know if this is true or not? Outside of that, both IgniteFusion and Railo look really intriguing. They lack support for some CFMX tags and functions, but not many. ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=37 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183340 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
No that's not true, you can load jar and java classes it's just not as straightforward as simply adding them to the class path. See Spike's article on loading jars. Cheers G On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:40:53 -0400, Ryan Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well Tom, at this point I guess my primary concern is this: Say along the way I decide to do something with our site that is not directly handled by one of the currently available cfml tags... With PHP I am basicly open and free to code and make the language do just about anything I want it to. With cfml, I could find myself at a place where I need to call on java. However, if I understand correctly, the free version of Bluedragon does not support calls to java nor the parsing of jsp code. I may be wrong...? On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:30 pm, Ryan Jones wrote: Will Bluedragon Server really offer me everything PHP does? Yes. And more. Did you have something specific in mind ? servers take up huge amounts of memory, and tend to crash often once the traffic starts increasing. Are these stories true, or rumors? I expect a full J2EE app like CF will use more resources than PHP embeded in Apache's httpd. But if you are that close to your hardware limits, you have other problems :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183341 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Ryan Jones Date: 11/4/04 2:17 am To: CF-Talk Subj: Re: Bluedragon Server What about Railo or IgniteFusion? Does anyone know much about these two cfml engines? Are they up to the task, or a step behind CFMX and Bluedragon? Railo: http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm IgniteFusion: http://www.ignitefusion.com/ ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=34 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183343 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML Compatibility Guide is indeed 44 pages (PDF). However, the first 7 pages are title page, table of contents, intro, etc. Then everything from page 15 to 44 describes enhancements that BD 6.1 provides that aren't supported by ColdFusion (such as CFIMAGE, CFIMAP, etc.). So only pages 8 through 14, inclusive (a total of 7 pages), describe BD limitations, most of the document describes BlueDragon enhancements. In BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Ryan Jones Date: 11/4/04 2:17 am To: CF-Talk Subj: Re: Bluedragon Server What about Railo or IgniteFusion? Does anyone know much about these two cfml engines? Are they up to the task, or a step behind CFMX and Bluedragon? Railo: http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm IgniteFusion: http://www.ignitefusion.com/ ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=38 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183345 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
I should have said: in BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter, but the list of enhancements is longer. Vince -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML Compatibility Guide is indeed 44 pages (PDF). However, the first 7 pages are title page, table of contents, intro, etc. Then everything from page 15 to 44 describes enhancements that BD 6.1 provides that aren't supported by ColdFusion (such as CFIMAGE, CFIMAP, etc.). So only pages 8 through 14, inclusive (a total of 7 pages), describe BD limitations, most of the document describes BlueDragon enhancements. In BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making. - Calvin ~| Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=17 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183346 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
Sorry, I should get my thoughts together completely before writing these... Of the 7 pages of BlueDragon 6.1 incompatibilities, many of these are same incompatibilities you'll find when upgrading from CF5 to CFMX, such as lack of support for DSN-less connections and differences between the way Oracle stored procedures are invoked. I don't have the CFMX docs handing, but I wonder how many pages there are describing incompatibilities between CF5 and CFMX? Vince -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server I should have said: in BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter, but the list of enhancements is longer. Vince -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML Compatibility Guide is indeed 44 pages (PDF). However, the first 7 pages are title page, table of contents, intro, etc. Then everything from page 15 to 44 describes enhancements that BD 6.1 provides that aren't supported by ColdFusion (such as CFIMAGE, CFIMAP, etc.). So only pages 8 through 14, inclusive (a total of 7 pages), describe BD limitations, most of the document describes BlueDragon enhancements. In BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making. - Calvin ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183347 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
Yes on enhancement DB has that Macromedia STILL does not support is better implementation of xpaths and I applaud BD for this...i can't beleive you can't do xmlsearch(myXMLobj,'count(//node)') in MM's ColdFusion...its madening. Isn' Ralio still in Alpha, or atleast early beta? Adam H On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:48:33 -0500, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I should have said: in BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter, but the list of enhancements is longer. Vince -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML Compatibility Guide is indeed 44 pages (PDF). However, the first 7 pages are title page, table of contents, intro, etc. Then everything from page 15 to 44 describes enhancements that BD 6.1 provides that aren't supported by ColdFusion (such as CFIMAGE, CFIMAP, etc.). So only pages 8 through 14, inclusive (a total of 7 pages), describe BD limitations, most of the document describes BlueDragon enhancements. In BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making. - Calvin ~| This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183348 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
Yes, according to their website, Railo is in Alpha 4, with an expected release of version 1.0 during the first part of 2005. Yes on enhancement DB has that Macromedia STILL does not support is better implementation of xpaths and I applaud BD for this...i can't beleive you can't do xmlsearch(myXMLobj,'count(//node)') in MM's ColdFusion...its madening. Isn' Ralio still in Alpha, or atleast early beta? Adam H On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 07:48:33 -0500, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=36 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183349 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
So has anyone here actually used IgniteFusion on a site in production? I realize it is a bit behind CFMX and Bluedragon, but perhaps it has enough to justify using it, considering its no-strings-attached free license. I mean, for common database interaction, email transaction, etc, certainly it is up to par. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183357 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
I actually said variances not limitations. If you are developing products that are intended to be deployed cross platform, then you have consider all variances. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti Date: 11/4/04 6:46 am To: CF-Talk Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML Compatibility Guide is indeed 44 pages (PDF). However, the first 7 pages are title page, table of contents, intro, etc. Then everything from page 15 to 44 describes enhancements that BD 6.1 provides that aren't supported by ColdFusion (such as CFIMAGE, CFIMAP, etc.). So only pages 8 through 14, inclusive (a total of 7 pages), describe BD limitations, most of the document describes BlueDragon enhancements. In BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Ryan Jones Date: 11/4/04 2:17 am To: CF-Talk Subj: Re: Bluedragon Server What about Railo or IgniteFusion? Does anyone know much about these two cfml engines? Are they up to the task, or a step behind CFMX and Bluedragon? Railo: http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm IgniteFusion: http://www.ignitefusion.com/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183377 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
While that may be true, it seems probable the the release of Blackstone will further create a gap between actual CFMX and BD - Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti Date: 11/4/04 6:49 am To: CF-Talk Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server I should have said: in BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter, but the list of enhancements is longer. Vince -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML Compatibility Guide is indeed 44 pages (PDF). However, the first 7 pages are title page, table of contents, intro, etc. Then everything from page 15 to 44 describes enhancements that BD 6.1 provides that aren't supported by ColdFusion (such as CFIMAGE, CFIMAP, etc.). So only pages 8 through 14, inclusive (a total of 7 pages), describe BD limitations, most of the document describes BlueDragon enhancements. In BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making. - Calvin ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183378 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
Calvin Ward wrote: While that may be true, it seems probable the the release of Blackstone will further create a gap between actual CFMX and BD Of course, this is pure speculation. Speculating here myself, because I'm not on the beta test, but I would not be surprised if MM shortened BDs list of enhancement by adding that functionality to Blackstone and the list of incompatibilities didn't really increase that much. Plus how many people will actually upgrade to Blackstone? Yeah there will be the die-hards that go with every upgrade and the luck ones who will be handed Blackstone on a plate, but currently I'm still on CF5. Clients dictate upgrades. I personally can't justify the expense of upgrading to CFMX, as much as I'd like to, and most clients have no requirement for for some of the additional functionality provided by CFMX. Again, as much as I'd like to look into building apps with the likes of Mach-II, I can't justify upgrading to CFMX purely for this reason. I know someone who, until very recently, was still running cf4.5.2, because he had no requirement to upgrade and only upgraded recently, because he moved/upgraded his servers and felt that it was an appropriate time to upgrade CF too. At the end of the day, it comes down to your requirements and the requirements of your clients. Personally, I don't use BD. I have used BD in the past, back in the alpha testing days. It looked great and held a lot of promise back then, but wasn't production ready, so I had to go with MM CF. Since then I've, unfortunately, never had the requirement to look into using it. If and when the opportunity arises, then I will definately be looking at BD in detail as well as at MM CF Server. If it meets the requirements of the project that is paying for it and is cost effective, then I will go with it. What a developer should never do is chose not to use an alternate product, because it isn't the original. hmm... sorry that turned into a bit of a rant I'll go back to my dark corner now... regards Stephen PS. http://www.mxeurope.org/ - Registration is open!! The list of speakers and topics looks to be excellent. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183389 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
Yes, of course. But you should note that it's *because* of those variances (the enhancements, not the limitations) that people are choosing BlueDragon. Which only makes sense: if BlueDragon didn't do some things better than CFMX, there wouldn't be any reason to use it. Vince -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server I actually said variances not limitations. If you are developing products that are intended to be deployed cross platform, then you have consider all variances. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti Date: 11/4/04 6:46 am To: CF-Talk Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML Compatibility Guide is indeed 44 pages (PDF). However, the first 7 pages are title page, table of contents, intro, etc. Then everything from page 15 to 44 describes enhancements that BD 6.1 provides that aren't supported by ColdFusion (such as CFIMAGE, CFIMAP, etc.). So only pages 8 through 14, inclusive (a total of 7 pages), describe BD limitations, most of the document describes BlueDragon enhancements. In BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Ryan Jones Date: 11/4/04 2:17 am To: CF-Talk Subj: Re: Bluedragon Server What about Railo or IgniteFusion? Does anyone know much about these two cfml engines? Are they up to the task, or a step behind CFMX and Bluedragon? Railo: http://www.railo.ch/en/index.cfm IgniteFusion: http://www.ignitefusion.com/ ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183398 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
Perhaps. As I've stated before (in this forum, I think), there's really nothing special or tricky in Blackstone that we shouldn't be able to implement fairly quickly in BlueDragon. Blackstone is an incremental feature release without fundamental architectural changes, such as CFCs or the reimplementation in Java that we got in CFMX (Macromedia is even touting the lack of architectural changes and incremental nature of Blackstone as a feature, since it implies--correctly--stability of the release). Based on information that's publicly available, we've already prototyped the major Blackstone features in BlueDragon--such as CFDOCUMENT and the message gateway. Which new features of Blackstone do you consider must have? It's interesting, though, that Blackstone is managing to close the gap with BlueDragon, adding some features that BlueDragon has had for more than two years: - standard J2EE WAR/EAR deployment - support for WebSphere Network Deployment clusters - source-less precompiled CFML templates - serialization of CFCs - CFIMAGE tag Vince -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server While that may be true, it seems probable the the release of Blackstone will further create a gap between actual CFMX and BD - Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti Date: 11/4/04 6:49 am To: CF-Talk Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server I should have said: in BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter, but the list of enhancements is longer. Vince -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML Compatibility Guide is indeed 44 pages (PDF). However, the first 7 pages are title page, table of contents, intro, etc. Then everything from page 15 to 44 describes enhancements that BD 6.1 provides that aren't supported by ColdFusion (such as CFIMAGE, CFIMAP, etc.). So only pages 8 through 14, inclusive (a total of 7 pages), describe BD limitations, most of the document describes BlueDragon enhancements. In BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making. - Calvin ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183399 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
Well, my speculation is based on what has been made public on MM's site and at MAX, the the stated focus of Blackstone appears to be feature set, I'd say that BD will be chasing CF7 much like they are over a year behind CF6.1. My commentary on the differences is in part related to the current frustration we all deal with in CSS implementation across browsers. It is true that BD has added some enhancements, but it also appears to be true that the don't support existing capabilities or consistently support certain functionality. How important that is will depend on each developer's needs, and code portability between the two different servers looks likely to become less simple as each company continues to go forward. Just as choosing between technologies such as J2EE, .NET and CFMX is a valid choice, so might be considering BD. However, as the two languages continue to grow apart, they will become more distinct. For better or worse, BD is not exactly CF. -Calvin -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti (cfmaster) Date: 11/4/04 12:36 pm To: CF-Talk Subj: Re: Bluedragon Server Calvin Ward wrote: While that may be true, it seems probable the the release of Blackstone will further create a gap between actual CFMX and BD Of course, this is pure speculation. Speculating here myself, because I'm not on the beta test, but I would not be surprised if MM shortened BDs list of enhancement by adding that functionality to Blackstone and the list of incompatibilities didn't really increase that much. Plus how many people will actually upgrade to Blackstone? Yeah there will be the die-hards that go with every upgrade and the luck ones who will be handed Blackstone on a plate, but currently I'm still on CF5. Clients dictate upgrades. I personally can't justify the expense of upgrading to CFMX, as much as I'd like to, and most clients have no requirement for for some of the additional functionality provided by CFMX. Again, as much as I'd like to look into building apps with the likes of Mach-II, I can't justify upgrading to CFMX purely for this reason. I know someone who, until very recently, was still running cf4.5.2, because he had no requirement to upgrade and only upgraded recently, because he moved/upgraded his servers and felt that it was an appropriate time to upgrade CF too. At the end of the day, it comes down to your requirements and the requirements of your clients. Personally, I don't use BD. I have used BD in the past, back in the alpha testing days. It looked great and held a lot of promise back then, but wasn't production ready, so I had to go with MM CF. Since then I've, unfortunately, never had the requirement to look into using it. If and when the opportunity arises, then I will definately be looking at BD in detail as well as at MM CF Server. If it meets the requirements of the project that is paying for it and is cost effective, then I will go with it. What a developer should never do is chose not to use an alternate product, because it isn't the original. hmm... sorry that turned into a bit of a rant I'll go back to my dark corner now... regards Stephen PS. http://www.mxeurope.org/ - Registration is open!! The list of speakers and topics looks to be excellent. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183416 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
I don't think that's entirely accurate. For example, isn't one of those differences is lack of support for some features in cfcollection/cfsearch? -Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti Date: 11/4/04 1:29 pm To: CF-Talk Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server Yes, of course. But you should note that it's *because* of those variances (the enhancements, not the limitations) that people are choosing BlueDragon. Which only makes sense: if BlueDragon didn't do some things better than CFMX, there wouldn't be any reason to use it. Vince -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server I actually said variances not limitations. If you are developing products that are intended to be deployed cross platform, then you have consider all variances. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti Date: 11/4/04 6:46 am To: CF-Talk Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML Compatibility Guide is indeed 44 pages (PDF). However, the first 7 pages are title page, table of contents, intro, etc. Then everything from page 15 to 44 describes enhancements that BD 6.1 provides that aren't supported by ColdFusion (such as CFIMAGE, CFIMAP, etc.). So only pages 8 through 14, inclusive (a total of 7 pages), describe BD limitations, most of the document describes BlueDragon enhancements. In BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter. Regards, Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server Keep in mind. There is 44 pages of variance where BD does not work in the same fashion as the actual CFMX product that you will want to factor into your decision making. - Calvin -Original Message- From: Ryan Jones Date: 11/4/04 2:17 am To: CF-Talk ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183417 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
I didn't know cfimage was in Blackstone, I don't any specific feature that I'm refering to, however how about the flash related stuff? -Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti Date: 11/4/04 1:30 pm To: CF-Talk Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server Perhaps. As I've stated before (in this forum, I think), there's really nothing special or tricky in Blackstone that we shouldn't be able to implement fairly quickly in BlueDragon. Blackstone is an incremental feature release without fundamental architectural changes, such as CFCs or the reimplementation in Java that we got in CFMX (Macromedia is even touting the lack of architectural changes and incremental nature of Blackstone as a feature, since it implies--correctly--stability of the release). Based on information that's publicly available, we've already prototyped the major Blackstone features in BlueDragon--such as CFDOCUMENT and the message gateway. Which new features of Blackstone do you consider must have? It's interesting, though, that Blackstone is managing to close the gap with BlueDragon, adding some features that BlueDragon has had for more than two years: - standard J2EE WAR/EAR deployment - support for WebSphere Network Deployment clusters - source-less precompiled CFML templates - serialization of CFCs - CFIMAGE tag Vince -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 12:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server While that may be true, it seems probable the the release of Blackstone will further create a gap between actual CFMX and BD - Calvin -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti Date: 11/4/04 6:49 am To: CF-Talk Subj: RE: Bluedragon Server I should have said: in BlueDragon 6.2, the list of incompatibilities is even shorter, but the list of enhancements is longer. Vince -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:46 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Bluedragon Server Actually, that's not quite true. The BlueDragon 6.1 CFML Compatibility Guide is indeed 44 pages (PDF). However, the first 7 pages are title page, table of contents, intro, etc. Then everything from page 15 to 44 describes enhancements that BD 6.1 provides that aren't supported by ColdFusion (such as CFIMAGE, CFIMAP, etc.). So only pages 8 through 14, inclusive (a total of ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183418 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
hi there, just take a look at the performance tests we did with railo alfa 4 in comparison to cfmx. http://www.railo.ch/en/documentation/index.cfm?treeID=30 We have a lot of improvements and in railo and no big limitations (except for the couple of tags and functions that we still have to implement). Take the scope cascading for example. By turning it off you can boost the performance of railo greatly. Scope cascading allows you to implicitly reference variables. For example you can write the statement cfset test = Name. The variable Name has no Scope-Qualifier so Railo normaly checks the usual scopes (in a predefined order [variables, current query, form, url a.s.o.]) to find it. You can turn this behaviour off so that you have to write cfset test = url.Name. This leads to a large improvement in execution-speed. And adding to this the code can be easier read. Of course this is a (configurable) limitation, but with the advantages you get, you won't consider it to be a limitation. Check out www.railo.com for updates. We plan to release Railo Beta in the first quarter of 2005. cfregards from=Gert Franz who=railo developer location=switzerland respondto=[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 4. November 2004 22:18 An: CF-Talk Betreff: Re: Bluedragon Server Well, my speculation is based on what has been made public on MM's site and at MAX, the the stated focus of Blackstone appears to be feature set, I'd say that BD will be chasing CF7 much like they are over a year behind CF6.1. My commentary on the differences is in part related to the current frustration we all deal with in CSS implementation across browsers. It is true that BD has added some enhancements, but it also appears to be true that the don't support existing capabilities or consistently support certain functionality. How important that is will depend on each developer's needs, and code portability between the two different servers looks likely to become less simple as each company continues to go forward. Just as choosing between technologies such as J2EE, .NET and CFMX is a valid choice, so might be considering BD. However, as the two languages continue to grow apart, they will become more distinct. For better or worse, BD is not exactly CF. -Calvin -Original Message- From: Stephen Moretti (cfmaster) Date: 11/4/04 12:36 pm To: CF-Talk Subj: Re: Bluedragon Server Calvin Ward wrote: While that may be true, it seems probable the the release of Blackstone will further create a gap between actual CFMX and BD Of course, this is pure speculation. Speculating here myself, because I'm not on the beta test, but I would not be surprised if MM shortened BDs list of enhancement by adding that functionality to Blackstone and the list of incompatibilities didn't really increase that much. Plus how many people will actually upgrade to Blackstone? Yeah there will be the die-hards that go with every upgrade and the luck ones who will be handed Blackstone on a plate, but currently I'm still on CF5. Clients dictate upgrades. I personally can't justify the expense of upgrading to CFMX, as much as I'd like to, and most clients have no requirement for for some of the additional functionality provided by CFMX. Again, as much as I'd like to look into building apps with the likes of Mach-II, I can't justify upgrading to CFMX purely for this reason. I know someone who, until very recently, was still running cf4.5.2, because he had no requirement to upgrade and only upgraded recently, because he moved/upgraded his servers and felt that it was an appropriate time to upgrade CF too. At the end of the day, it comes down to your requirements and the requirements of your clients. Personally, I don't use BD. I have used BD in the past, back in the alpha testing days. It looked great and held a lot of promise back then, but wasn't production ready, so I had to go with MM CF. Since then I've, unfortunately, never had the requirement to look into using it. If and when the opportunity arises, then I will definately be looking at BD in detail as well as at MM CF Server. If it meets the requirements of the project that is paying for it and is cost effective, then I will go with it. What a developer should never do is chose not to use an alternate product, because it isn't the original. hmm... sorry that turned into a bit of a rant I'll go back to my dark corner now... regards Stephen PS. http://www.mxeurope.org/ - Registration is open!! The list of speakers and topics looks to be excellent. ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183434 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http
Re: Bluedragon Server
Intriguing. I was always under the impression that if you defined the scope in the first place, the same kind of performance increase would occur? Is that not what happens? Thanks! Keep up the good work! -Jordan Gert Franz wrote: hi there, just take a look at the performance tests we did with railo alfa 4 in comparison to cfmx. http://www.railo.ch/en/documentation/index.cfm?treeID=30 We have a lot of improvements and in railo and no big limitations (except for the couple of tags and functions that we still have to implement). Take the scope cascading for example. By turning it off you can boost the performance of railo greatly. Scope cascading allows you to implicitly reference variables. For example you can write the statement cfset test = Name. The variable Name has no Scope-Qualifier so Railo normaly checks the usual scopes (in a predefined order [variables, current query, form, url a.s.o.]) to find it. You can turn this behaviour off so that you have to write cfset test = url.Name. This leads to a large improvement in execution-speed. And adding to this the code can be easier read. Of course this is a (configurable) limitation, but with the advantages you get, you won't consider it to be a limitation. Check out www.railo.com for updates. We plan to release Railo Beta in the first quarter of 2005. cfregards from=Gert Franz who=railo developer location=switzerland respondto=[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183435 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
Well generally you are right, but who allways writes variables.name or something like that. Even if you have defined the scope the checks still have to be done and the engine has to check wether it is a valid scope (or a structure or something else) or not. By configuring the scope cascading to strict (see below), railo knows, that a variable without a scope can only be found in the variables or arguments scope. And please recall that in CFMX something like this (might be stupid) still works: cfset test = caller.name If in the caller scope there is a form variable called name CFMX will find this variable, allthough the form scope is present in the current template too. You could also write cfset test = caller.form.name Well exactly spoken in railo you can configure scope cascading in the following way: Extract of the railo.xml: !-- scope configuration: cascading (expanding of undefined scope) - strict (argument,variables) - small (argument,variables,cgi,url,form) - standart (argument,variables,cgi,url,form,cookie) cascade-to-resultset: yes|no when set to yes, railo allows inside a cfoutput query=queryname and cfloop query=queryname to call columns of the resultset implicitly merge-url-form:yes|no when set to yes all form and url variables are merged into both scopes -- scope cascading=standart cascade-to-resultset=yes merge-url-form=no - Gert - -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 5. November 2004 01:20 An: CF-Talk Betreff: Re: Bluedragon Server Intriguing. I was always under the impression that if you defined the scope in the first place, the same kind of performance increase would occur? Is that not what happens? Thanks! Keep up the good work! -Jordan Gert Franz wrote: hi there, just take a look at the performance tests we did with railo alfa 4 in comparison to cfmx. http://www.railo.ch/en/documentation/index.cfm?treeID=30 We have a lot of improvements and in railo and no big limitations (except for the couple of tags and functions that we still have to implement). Take the scope cascading for example. By turning it off you can boost the performance of railo greatly. Scope cascading allows you to implicitly reference variables. For example you can write the statement cfset test = Name. The variable Name has no Scope-Qualifier so Railo normaly checks the usual scopes (in a predefined order [variables, current query, form, url a.s.o.]) to find it. You can turn this behaviour off so that you have to write cfset test = url.Name. This leads to a large improvement in execution-speed. And adding to this the code can be easier read. Of course this is a (configurable) limitation, but with the advantages you get, you won't consider it to be a limitation. Check out www.railo.com for updates. We plan to release Railo Beta in the first quarter of 2005. cfregards from=Gert Franz who=railo developer location=switzerland respondto=[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183436 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Honestly? I do. ;) However, I've been particularly up-tight about my code recently, so it's probably just me. However you're entirely correct that other checking must go on anyway. That's a great feature! I like it a lot! Warm regards, Jordan Gert Franz wrote: Well generally you are right, but who allways writes variables.name or something like that. Even if you have defined the scope the checks still have to be done and the engine has to check wether it is a valid scope (or a structure or something else) or not. By configuring the scope cascading to strict (see below), railo knows, that a variable without a scope can only be found in the variables or arguments scope. And please recall that in CFMX something like this (might be stupid) still works: cfset test = caller.name If in the caller scope there is a form variable called name CFMX will find this variable, allthough the form scope is present in the current template too. You could also write cfset test = caller.form.name Well exactly spoken in railo you can configure scope cascading in the following way: Extract of the railo.xml: !-- scope configuration: cascading (expanding of undefined scope) - strict (argument,variables) - small (argument,variables,cgi,url,form) - standart (argument,variables,cgi,url,form,cookie) cascade-to-resultset: yes|no when set to yes, railo allows inside a cfoutput query=queryname and cfloop query=queryname to call columns of the resultset implicitly merge-url-form:yes|no when set to yes all form and url variables are merged into both scopes -- scope cascading=standart cascade-to-resultset=yes merge-url-form=no - Gert - -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jordan Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Freitag, 5. November 2004 01:20 An: CF-Talk Betreff: Re: Bluedragon Server Intriguing. I was always under the impression that if you defined the scope in the first place, the same kind of performance increase would occur? Is that not what happens? Thanks! Keep up the good work! -Jordan Gert Franz wrote: hi there, just take a look at the performance tests we did with railo alfa 4 in comparison to cfmx. http://www.railo.ch/en/documentation/index.cfm?treeID=30 We have a lot of improvements and in railo and no big limitations (except for the couple of tags and functions that we still have to implement). Take the scope cascading for example. By turning it off you can boost the performance of railo greatly. Scope cascading allows you to implicitly reference variables. For example you can write the statement cfset test = Name. The variable Name has no Scope-Qualifier so Railo normaly checks the usual scopes (in a predefined order [variables, current query, form, url a.s.o.]) to find it. You can turn this behaviour off so that you have to write cfset test = url.Name. This leads to a large improvement in execution-speed. And adding to this the code can be easier read. Of course this is a (configurable) limitation, but with the advantages you get, you won't consider it to be a limitation. Check out www.railo.com for updates. We plan to release Railo Beta in the first quarter of 2005. cfregards from=Gert Franz who=railo developer location=switzerland respondto=[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warm regards, Jordan Michaels Vivio Technologies http://www.viviotech.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183443 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
BlueDragon has implemented cfcollection / cfsearch for a while (In their initial 6.1 release?). The underlying engine is not Verity, though. It uses one from the Apache project (I believe Lucene). It is not identical to Verity, although from the point of CF code, it doesn't make much difference. I believe a lot of the features in Blackstone are merely one layer of abstraction above issues that are relatively simple for a knowledgeable Java programmer. If so, I suspect the New Atlanta folks will be able to implement them very quickly. At 08:02 PM 11/4/2004, you wrote: Subject: Bluedragon Server From: Calvin Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 04 Nov 2004 15:17:54 -0600 Thread: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm/method=messagesthreadid=36359forumid=4#183417 I don't think that's entirely accurate. For example, isn't one of those differences is lack of support for some features in cfcollection/cfsearch? -Calvin -- Jeffry Houser, Web Developer, Writer, Songwriter, Recording Engineer AIM: Reboog711 | Phone: 1-203-379-0773 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Recording Studio: http://www.fcfstudios.com My Energetic Acoustic Rock Band: http://www.farcryfly.com -- When did Reality Become TV ~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Gold Sponsor - CFHosting.net http://www.cfhosting.net Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183445 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Hello there, You could check here for some comparison info... http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/product_info/cfml_tag_support.cfm http://www.newatlanta.com/products/bluedragon/product_info/features.cfm#FCMatrix I believe that the free version does have certain license restrictions... I'm sure there are some BD people on the list who may answer any questions. Hope that helps a bit.. Yves On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 15:30:11 +0200, Ryan Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I posted the following to the Bluedragon mailing list over at New Atlanta, but would also love to have the insight of the members of this site. *We are a small outfit that runs a PHP-based content site. I would really like to move to cfml, as my job description includes webmaster, web developer, content co-editor and promotions guy... cfml's ease of use could really save me some time and allow me to do more advanced things than PHP would, as with PHP these things would presumably take more time to learn - time I don't have. On Ben Forta's blog, Vince Bonfanti of New Atlanta made the following claim: * *///The free BlueDragon Server edition is being offered directly as an alternative to PHP to keep people using CFML instead./ Will Bluedragon Server really offer me everything PHP does? I have also read horror stories about how cfml is nice, but that the servers take up huge amounts of memory, and tend to crash often once the traffic starts increasing. Are these stories true, or rumors? *Thank you, Ryan Jones ~| Protect your mail server with built in anti-virus protection. It's not only good for you, it's good for everybody. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=39 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183256 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:30 pm, Ryan Jones wrote: Will Bluedragon Server really offer me everything PHP does? Yes. And more. Did you have something specific in mind ? servers take up huge amounts of memory, and tend to crash often once the traffic starts increasing. Are these stories true, or rumors? I expect a full J2EE app like CF will use more resources than PHP embeded in Apache's httpd. But if you are that close to your hardware limits, you have other problems :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=36 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183257 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well Tom, at this point I guess my primary concern is this: Say along the way I decide to do something with our site that is not directly handled by one of the currently available cfml tags... With PHP I am basicly open and free to code and make the language do just about anything I want it to. With cfml, I could find myself at a place where I need to call on java. However, if I understand correctly, the free version of Bluedragon does not support calls to java nor the parsing of jsp code. I may be wrong...? On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:30 pm, Ryan Jones wrote: Will Bluedragon Server really offer me everything PHP does? Yes. And more. Did you have something specific in mind ? servers take up huge amounts of memory, and tend to crash often once the traffic starts increasing. Are these stories true, or rumors? I expect a full J2EE app like CF will use more resources than PHP embeded in Apache's httpd. But if you are that close to your hardware limits, you have other problems :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Protect your mail server with built in anti-virus protection. It's not only good for you, it's good for everybody. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=39 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183258 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Well Tom, at this point I guess my primary concern is this: Say along the way I decide to do something with our site that is not directly handled by one of the currently available cfml tags... With PHP I am basicly open and free to code and make the language do just about anything I want it to. With cfml, I could find myself at a place where I need to call on java. However, if I understand correctly, the free version of Bluedragon does not support calls to java nor the parsing of jsp code. I may be wrong...? On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:30 pm, Ryan Jones wrote: Will Bluedragon Server really offer me everything PHP does? Yes. And more. Did you have something specific in mind ? servers take up huge amounts of memory, and tend to crash often once the traffic starts increasing. Are these stories true, or rumors? I expect a full J2EE app like CF will use more resources than PHP embeded in Apache's httpd. But if you are that close to your hardware limits, you have other problems :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183259 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Actually, I have another concern: mass mailing. We run a newsletter with over 3,000 subscribers. With PHP I sent out to this list on a daily basis using phpmailer class sending via smtp. Works great. I am afraid of using the cfmail tag for such mailings based on the fact that php's mail() function should NEVER be used to send out bulk mail. I may be way off base here though... maybe the cfmail tag is capable of handling thousands of addresses. But even if it is, Bluedragon itself is a concern for me here. I say this because on the Macromedia site, their feature matrix for CF notes that while CF Enterprise has High-Performance Email Delivery, the Standard Server version does not. I am assuming that the Bluedragon Server is comparable to Coldfusion MX Standard, meaning that I am also assuming it does NOT feature High-Performance Email Delivery. Am I wrong here too? On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:30 pm, Ryan Jones wrote: Will Bluedragon Server really offer me everything PHP does? Yes. And more. Did you have something specific in mind ? servers take up huge amounts of memory, and tend to crash often once the traffic starts increasing. Are these stories true, or rumors? I expect a full J2EE app like CF will use more resources than PHP embeded in Apache's httpd. But if you are that close to your hardware limits, you have other problems :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=36 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183260 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:49 pm, Ryan Jones wrote: may be way off base here though... maybe the cfmail tag is capable of handling thousands of addresses. Certainly is, failing that there is the CFML that powers this very list :-) Standard, meaning that I am also assuming it does NOT feature High-Performance Email Delivery. I wouldn't call 3000/day high. With cfml, I could find myself at a place where I need to call on java. Only in the same way that if PHP doesn't do it, you need to call on C. Drop the BD sales people a line, they are very responsive and helpful. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=35 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183262 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Bluedragon Server
Some of you might find this a little weird But I once looped a cfmail to test BlueDragon' 3.x version and my mail server I can't remember how many emails I was (and had) set to receive, but I had no problem what so ever And the loop was several 10s of thousand... probably about 50 000 emails.. This was done on a Linux platform. PS, this server was in production at the time of the test... Yves On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:59:51 +, Thomas Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:49 pm, Ryan Jones wrote: may be way off base here though... maybe the cfmail tag is capable of handling thousands of addresses. Certainly is, failing that there is the CFML that powers this very list :-) Standard, meaning that I am also assuming it does NOT feature High-Performance Email Delivery. I wouldn't call 3000/day high. With cfml, I could find myself at a place where I need to call on java. Only in the same way that if PHP doesn't do it, you need to call on C. Drop the BD sales people a line, they are very responsive and helpful. -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Protect your mail server with built in anti-virus protection. It's not only good for you, it's good for everybody. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=39 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183264 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Ryan, My suggestion is to use a blend of tools. CFML, IMO, will provide you with faster application turnaround but that doesn't mean that you should abandon tools that aren't built in it. Use what's best for the specific task at hand and don't rewrite something for the sake of doing it. If you have PHP code that already handles your mailings, just continue to use it. Rey... - Original Message - From: Ryan Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Bluedragon Server Actually, I have another concern: mass mailing. We run a newsletter with over 3,000 subscribers. With PHP I sent out to this list on a daily basis using phpmailer class sending via smtp. Works great. I am afraid of using the cfmail tag for such mailings based on the fact that php's mail() function should NEVER be used to send out bulk mail. I may be way off base here though... maybe the cfmail tag is capable of handling thousands of addresses. But even if it is, Bluedragon itself is a concern for me here. I say this because on the Macromedia site, their feature matrix for CF notes that while CF Enterprise has High-Performance Email Delivery, the Standard Server version does not. I am assuming that the Bluedragon Server is comparable to Coldfusion MX Standard, meaning that I am also assuming it does NOT feature High-Performance Email Delivery. Am I wrong here too? On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:30 pm, Ryan Jones wrote: Will Bluedragon Server really offer me everything PHP does? Yes. And more. Did you have something specific in mind ? servers take up huge amounts of memory, and tend to crash often once the traffic starts increasing. Are these stories true, or rumors? I expect a full J2EE app like CF will use more resources than PHP embeded in Apache's httpd. But if you are that close to your hardware limits, you have other problems :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183265 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Ryan, In my past life, working for an ISP that was a CF house, we had several high subscriber e-newsletter clients. One technique that we employed, which greatly reduced server load and errors, was to send out these newsletters in batches of 500. Fairly easy to script, did not drag out system resources, easy to troubleshoot in an error situation, and definitely doable on BD. Cutter Ryan Jones wrote: Actually, I have another concern: mass mailing. We run a newsletter with over 3,000 subscribers. With PHP I sent out to this list on a daily basis using phpmailer class sending via smtp. Works great. I am afraid of using the cfmail tag for such mailings based on the fact that php's mail() function should NEVER be used to send out bulk mail. I may be way off base here though... maybe the cfmail tag is capable of handling thousands of addresses. But even if it is, Bluedragon itself is a concern for me here. I say this because on the Macromedia site, their feature matrix for CF notes that while CF Enterprise has High-Performance Email Delivery, the Standard Server version does not. I am assuming that the Bluedragon Server is comparable to Coldfusion MX Standard, meaning that I am also assuming it does NOT feature High-Performance Email Delivery. Am I wrong here too? On Wednesday 03 Nov 2004 13:30 pm, Ryan Jones wrote: Will Bluedragon Server really offer me everything PHP does? Yes. And more. Did you have something specific in mind ? servers take up huge amounts of memory, and tend to crash often once the traffic starts increasing. Are these stories true, or rumors? I expect a full J2EE app like CF will use more resources than PHP embeded in Apache's httpd. But if you are that close to your hardware limits, you have other problems :-) -- Tom Chiverton Advanced ColdFusion Programmer Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BlueFinger Limited Underwood Business Park Wookey Hole Road, WELLS. BA5 1AF Tel: +44 (0)1749 834900 Fax: +44 (0)1749 834XXX web: www.bluefinger.com Company Reg No: 4209395 Registered Office: 2 Temple Back East, Temple Quay, BRISTOL. BS1 6EG *** This E-mail contains confidential information for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. No binding contract will result from this e-mail until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. BlueFinger Limited cannot accept responsibility for the completeness or accuracy of this message as it has been transmitted over public networks.*** ~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=35 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183267 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Bluedragon Server
From: Ryan Jones wrote: With PHP I am basicly open and free to code and make the language do just about anything I want it to. With cfml, I could find myself at a place where I need to call on java. However, if I understand correctly, the free version of Bluedragon does not support calls to java nor the parsing of jsp code. I may be wrong...? The free version of BlueDragon does not support JSP, but does support calls to Java via CFOBJECT/CreateObject(). So you can either call the built-in Java APIs or Java classes that your write yourself. The free version of BlueDragon also support Java and C++ CFX tags. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com ~| This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=11 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:183288 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
