RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
Yeah, if someone could develop this, they could help alot of people out and make a good deal of $ at the same time :-) - Original Message - From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:03 AM Subject: RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
I'd say part one is definately possible, but part 2 is pushing it. Here's a questionWhy does it have to be an HTML form? If you're sending it via e-mail can't you just send the HTML that embeds the SWFthat way the user can fill the form out in Flash?? It just sounds like mabye you've overthought this one and made it more complex than it has to be ;-) HTH Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Michael T. Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
Show me the money!! ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Michael T. Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:05 AM Subject: Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Yeah, if someone could develop this, they could help alot of people out and make a good deal of $ at the same time :-) - Original Message - From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:03 AM Subject: RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
I did think of that... however, I came across some discussions in my research about email clients blocking embedded flash and such.. I have not confirmed this yet, but the downside is that you would have to ensure your recipient had the flash plugin, etc Mike - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?) I'd say part one is definately possible, but part 2 is pushing it. Here's a questionWhy does it have to be an HTML form? If you're sending it via e-mail can't you just send the HTML that embeds the SWFthat way the user can fill the form out in Flash?? It just sounds like mabye you've overthought this one and made it more complex than it has to be ;-) HTH Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com - Original Message - From: Michael T. Tangorre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
This most likely won't work because of the client's security settings. Sometimes, in outlook express I'll send web pages to coworkers for proofs. The pages that contain any sort of flash content doesn't work because of security. If somebody could get around that, then it'd probably work just fine. This idea is a great idea, but not a new one. It sounds a lot like designing forms in the Remedy admin tool, or forms in access. E - Original Message - From: Bryan Stevenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're sending it via e-mail can't you just send the HTML that embeds the SWFthat way the user can fill the form out in Flash?? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
It shoud be possible to do that with FlashMX/FlashRemotingMX/ColdFusionMX. You have all the required features in FlashMX : dragdrop, pixel coordinates, remoting to generate the HTML form with ColdFusionMX... But you'll need a really good ActionScript developer to do the Flash UI... It might be better to wait for Royale, http://www.macromedia.com/special/royale/ (even if it seems to be designed for the contrary : to easily generate Flash forms from XML files, and not HTML forms from Flash UI...). I agree with Bryan, why not using a flash Form instead of an HTML form? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 3 juillet 2003 17:04 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
Is there a particular reason why Flash is being mandated or needs to be used? If not, it would be just as possible to build using DHTML though that doesn't mean Flash shouldn't be used after all you'll have to deal with cross browser issues with the DHTML approach - however I believe the database interaction would be slightly easier. I would perhaps implement this as a two step process: 1) The user builds up a list of form elements - no wysiwyg involved - just normal web application stuff selecting from a pre-defined set. Then they would set properties for each element they add. You could allow the ability of setting maximum and minimum sizes, mandatory/non-mandatory, look up values etc. This list is then persisted - perhaps to a database of some sort. You can also create a table which would be able to hold the contents of the form. 2) Step 2 allows the user to arrange the elements they selected in step 1 on the screen via drag and drop techniques. In addition, you could allow the appropriate styling of the elements at this stage. Once this is done, the co-ordinates and positioning can be persisted - again perhaps to a database. It should then be feasible to build the form dynamically on-demand - including client-side and server-side validation and also perform the database insert into the newly created table by automatically creating the appropriate SQL provided you captured enough data initially. There doesn't seem to be any reason why this can't be done and indeed it has been done to varying degrees e.g. CommonSpot's simple form builder etc. André -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
Vincent: You know what they call a programming methodology at Macromedia? Jules: They don't call it a programming methodology? Vincent: No, they got a marketing department, they don't know what the @$! a programming methodology is. Jules: Then what do they call it? Vincent: A Royale Initiative Jules: Royale Initiative! What do they call Flash Remoting? Vincent: Flash Remoting's Flash Remoting, but they call it Le Flash Remoting. Jules: Le Flash Remoting... hahaha. What do they call VML? Vincent: Dunno, they don't use it. Ok, ok, sorry - it's almost a holiday and I'm not focusing really well :) - Jim Benoit Hediard wrote: It shoud be possible to do that with FlashMX/FlashRemotingMX/ColdFusionMX. You have all the required features in FlashMX : dragdrop, pixel coordinates, remoting to generate the HTML form with ColdFusionMX... But you'll need a really good ActionScript developer to do the Flash UI... It might be better to wait for Royale, http://www.macromedia.com/special/royale/ (even if it seems to be designed for the contrary : to easily generate Flash forms from XML files, and not HTML forms from Flash UI...). I agree with Bryan, why not using a flash Form instead of an HTML form? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : jeudi 3 juillet 2003 17:04 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
When you subscribed to this list did you see a sign on the front of it that said stupid ***%% jokes email list? You know why you didn't see that sign? Cause it ain't there, cause stupid **%%# jokes ain't this lists %$#%$% business, that's why. ;) Adam. -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Vincent: You know what they call a programming methodology at Macromedia? Jules: They don't call it a programming methodology? Vincent: No, they got a marketing department, they don't know what the @$! a programming methodology is. Jules: Then what do they call it? Vincent: A Royale Initiative Jules: Royale Initiative! What do they call Flash Remoting? Vincent: Flash Remoting's Flash Remoting, but they call it Le Flash Remoting. Jules: Le Flash Remoting... hahaha. What do they call VML? Vincent: Dunno, they don't use it. Ok, ok, sorry - it's almost a holiday and I'm not focusing really well :) - Jim Benoit Hediard wrote: It shoud be possible to do that with FlashMX/FlashRemotingMX/ColdFusionMX. You have all the required features in FlashMX : dragdrop, pixel coordinates, remoting to generate the HTML form with ColdFusionMX... But you'll need a really good ActionScript developer to do the Flash UI... It might be better to wait for Royale, http://www.macromedia.com/special/royale/ (even if it seems to be designed for the contrary : to easily generate Flash forms from XML files, and not HTML forms from Flash UI...). I agree with Bryan, why not using a flash Form instead of an HTML form? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : jeudi 3 juillet 2003 17:04 A : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
Bring out the GIMP. - Jim Cantrell, Adam wrote: When you subscribed to this list did you see a sign on the front of it that said stupid ***%% jokes email list? You know why you didn't see that sign? Cause it ain't there, cause stupid **%%# jokes ain't this lists %$#%$% business, that's why. ;) Adam. -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Vincent: You know what they call a programming methodology at Macromedia? Jules: They don't call it a programming methodology? Vincent: No, they got a marketing department, they don't know what the @$! a programming methodology is. Jules: Then what do they call it? Vincent: A Royale Initiative Jules: Royale Initiative! What do they call Flash Remoting? Vincent: Flash Remoting's Flash Remoting, but they call it Le Flash Remoting. Jules: Le Flash Remoting... hahaha. What do they call VML? Vincent: Dunno, they don't use it. Ok, ok, sorry - it's almost a holiday and I'm not focusing really well :) - Jim Benoit Hediard wrote: It shoud be possible to do that with FlashMX/FlashRemotingMX/ColdFusionMX. You have all the required features in FlashMX : dragdrop, pixel coordinates, remoting to generate the HTML form with ColdFusionMX... But you'll need a really good ActionScript developer to do the Flash UI... It might be better to wait for Royale, http://www.macromedia.com/special/royale/ (even if it seems to be designed for the contrary : to easily generate Flash forms from XML files, and not HTML forms from Flash UI...). I agree with Bryan, why not using a flash Form instead of an HTML form? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : jeudi 3 juillet 2003 17:04 A : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
One of the best lines from that movie. Have a sound byte of it at home. -Original Message- From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) When you subscribed to this list did you see a sign on the front of it that said stupid ***%% jokes email list? You know why you didn't see that sign? Cause it ain't there, cause stupid **%%# jokes ain't this lists %$#%$% business, that's why. ;) Adam. -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Vincent: You know what they call a programming methodology at Macromedia? Jules: They don't call it a programming methodology? Vincent: No, they got a marketing department, they don't know what the @$! a programming methodology is. Jules: Then what do they call it? Vincent: A Royale Initiative Jules: Royale Initiative! What do they call Flash Remoting? Vincent: Flash Remoting's Flash Remoting, but they call it Le Flash Remoting. Jules: Le Flash Remoting... hahaha. What do they call VML? Vincent: Dunno, they don't use it. Ok, ok, sorry - it's almost a holiday and I'm not focusing really well :) - Jim Benoit Hediard wrote: It shoud be possible to do that with FlashMX/FlashRemotingMX/ColdFusionMX. You have all the required features in FlashMX : dragdrop, pixel coordinates, remoting to generate the HTML form with ColdFusionMX... But you'll need a really good ActionScript developer to do the Flash UI... It might be better to wait for Royale, http://www.macromedia.com/special/royale/ (even if it seems to be designed for the contrary : to easily generate Flash forms from XML files, and not HTML forms from Flash UI...). I agree with Bryan, why not using a flash Form instead of an HTML form? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : jeudi 3 juillet 2003 17:04 A : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
Stop trashing this thread! I am trying to get some feedback, not any BS. Thanks! - Original Message - From: John Wilker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) One of the best lines from that movie. Have a sound byte of it at home. -Original Message- From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) When you subscribed to this list did you see a sign on the front of it that said stupid ***%% jokes email list? You know why you didn't see that sign? Cause it ain't there, cause stupid **%%# jokes ain't this lists %$#%$% business, that's why. ;) Adam. -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Vincent: You know what they call a programming methodology at Macromedia? Jules: They don't call it a programming methodology? Vincent: No, they got a marketing department, they don't know what the @$! a programming methodology is. Jules: Then what do they call it? Vincent: A Royale Initiative Jules: Royale Initiative! What do they call Flash Remoting? Vincent: Flash Remoting's Flash Remoting, but they call it Le Flash Remoting. Jules: Le Flash Remoting... hahaha. What do they call VML? Vincent: Dunno, they don't use it. Ok, ok, sorry - it's almost a holiday and I'm not focusing really well :) - Jim Benoit Hediard wrote: It shoud be possible to do that with FlashMX/FlashRemotingMX/ColdFusionMX. You have all the required features in FlashMX : dragdrop, pixel coordinates, remoting to generate the HTML form with ColdFusionMX... But you'll need a really good ActionScript developer to do the Flash UI... It might be better to wait for Royale, http://www.macromedia.com/special/royale/ (even if it seems to be designed for the contrary : to easily generate Flash forms from XML files, and not HTML forms from Flash UI...). I agree with Bryan, why not using a flash Form instead of an HTML form? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : jeudi 3 juillet 2003 17:04 A : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
Michael - All of the things you mentioned are possible, and a lot more. I am currently hard at work on a product that features this capability. If you are interested in taking a look at (what will be) the beta version, please feel free to contact me off list to receive an NDA. M -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
http://www.macromedia.com/software/dataconnection/demo/ fire fly components May be of some help.. however more of a tool for you the developer than the end user. I'm currently looking for a link that had some form building type features on a flash list.. I'll be sure to forward if I can find it. Jay Miller Michael T. Tangorre wrote: Stop trashing this thread! I am trying to get some feedback, not any BS. Thanks! - Original Message - From: John Wilker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) One of the best lines from that movie. Have a sound byte of it at home. -Original Message- From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) When you subscribed to this list did you see a sign on the front of it that said stupid ***%% jokes email list? You know why you didn't see that sign? Cause it ain't there, cause stupid **%%# jokes ain't this lists %$#%$% business, that's why. ;) Adam. -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Vincent: You know what they call a programming methodology at Macromedia? Jules: They don't call it a programming methodology? Vincent: No, they got a marketing department, they don't know what the @$! a programming methodology is. Jules: Then what do they call it? Vincent: A Royale Initiative Jules: Royale Initiative! What do they call Flash Remoting? Vincent: Flash Remoting's Flash Remoting, but they call it Le Flash Remoting. Jules: Le Flash Remoting... hahaha. What do they call VML? Vincent: Dunno, they don't use it. Ok, ok, sorry - it's almost a holiday and I'm not focusing really well :) - Jim Benoit Hediard wrote: It shoud be possible to do that with FlashMX/FlashRemotingMX/ColdFusionMX. You have all the required features in FlashMX : dragdrop, pixel coordinates, remoting to generate the HTML form with ColdFusionMX... But you'll need a really good ActionScript developer to do the Flash UI... It might be better to wait for Royale, http://www.macromedia.com/special/royale/ (even if it seems to be designed for the contrary : to easily generate Flash forms from XML files, and not HTML forms from Flash UI...). I agree with Bryan, why not using a flash Form instead of an HTML form? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : jeudi 3 juillet 2003 17:04 A : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
Thanks Jay! Much appreciated. Mike - Original Message - From: Jason Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?) http://www.macromedia.com/software/dataconnection/demo/ fire fly components May be of some help.. however more of a tool for you the developer than the end user. I'm currently looking for a link that had some form building type features on a flash list.. I'll be sure to forward if I can find it. Jay Miller Michael T. Tangorre wrote: Stop trashing this thread! I am trying to get some feedback, not any BS. Thanks! - Original Message - From: John Wilker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) One of the best lines from that movie. Have a sound byte of it at home. -Original Message- From: Cantrell, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:51 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) When you subscribed to this list did you see a sign on the front of it that said stupid ***%% jokes email list? You know why you didn't see that sign? Cause it ain't there, cause stupid **%%# jokes ain't this lists %$#%$% business, that's why. ;) Adam. -Original Message- From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Vincent: You know what they call a programming methodology at Macromedia? Jules: They don't call it a programming methodology? Vincent: No, they got a marketing department, they don't know what the @$! a programming methodology is. Jules: Then what do they call it? Vincent: A Royale Initiative Jules: Royale Initiative! What do they call Flash Remoting? Vincent: Flash Remoting's Flash Remoting, but they call it Le Flash Remoting. Jules: Le Flash Remoting... hahaha. What do they call VML? Vincent: Dunno, they don't use it. Ok, ok, sorry - it's almost a holiday and I'm not focusing really well :) - Jim Benoit Hediard wrote: It shoud be possible to do that with FlashMX/FlashRemotingMX/ColdFusionMX. You have all the required features in FlashMX : dragdrop, pixel coordinates, remoting to generate the HTML form with ColdFusionMX... But you'll need a really good ActionScript developer to do the Flash UI... It might be better to wait for Royale, http://www.macromedia.com/special/royale/ (even if it seems to be designed for the contrary : to easily generate Flash forms from XML files, and not HTML forms from Flash UI...). I agree with Bryan, why not using a flash Form instead of an HTML form? Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -Message d'origine- De : Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoye : jeudi 3 juillet 2003 17:04 A : CF-Talk Objet : RE: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Dude, I have thought of the same and if you or anycan come up with an idea solution...please post it. -Original Message- From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 July 2003 15:59 To: CF-Talk Subject: CF Flash (crazy idea?) Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http
Re: CF Flash (crazy idea?)
I'm a little late jumping in here, but I think this is an interesting idea, so I'll put in my two cents. I actually built something similar to this as a prototype for the company I used to work for, although I built it all with DHTML and JSP. I think the principle still applies, however. The prototype I built was a frameset with two frames: in one frame, the user selected an HTML form element (text field, radio button, select box, etc) and specified its properties (length, options, name, etc). After clicking the Add button, the element would appear in the whiteboard frame where it could be dragged into place along with all the other elements that had previously been added. When the author was happy with his layout, he would click save, and the X and Y coordinates of all the elements would be saved so that the look could be reproduced with dynamically generated and absolutely positioned DIV tags and form elements. So I know for a fact it can be done with DHTML (and this was probably over two years ago, when DHTML support wasn't as good as it is now), and I suspect you could do something similar with Flash. In a Flash UI, one would simply drag movie clips around the stage, and when the save button was clicked, the element type, properties, and X and Y coordinates could be stored on the server (via Flash Remoting, XML Sockets, or even loadVariables). You could then use ColdFusion to dynamically build the CSS necessary to render something probably closely approximating the UI that was build in Flash. In theory, anyway. Hope this helps. Christian On Thursday, July 3, 2003, at 10:58 AM, Michael T. Tangorre wrote: Hi everyone. I have an idea and need to know if it is within the capabilities of Flash and CF. What I would like to do is provide an interface for users to come to, where they can create forms and position the form elements and element labels wherever they wish (within a maximum area). How I envision this working would be to provide within the interface an area that contained a list of possible form elements to choose from (text input, text area, radio, check). When a user dragged one of these into the form area they could give it a label and fill in the attributes of that element as well as position the element and its label wherever they wanted (within the bounds of course). Now for the crazy part... Would it be possible to take that Flash movie that the user interacted with to create the initial form and process it into an HTML form where the layout was almost identical if not exactly identical to how it was created via the Flash interface (from a positioning and layout standpoint)? I was thinking maybe there are some functions in flash to get element coordinates, etc... The idea would be that this form could be used within an HTML email or website to gather user feedback. The second part would be to build some kind of container on the backend whereas those results/responses could be stored. Obviously this is a complex idea, one in which is beyond the scope of my abilities at this time. Anyone have thoughts, ideas, technologies to look at, etc... ? Mike ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
