Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
hmm.. I dont know.. try it :) Actually, I have briefly tested it and it seems fine... let me know if you find any bugs... MD On 25 Jan 2007, at 17:50, Andy Matthews wrote: Mark... Is the current build of CFEclipse up to the 3.3M4 milestone? -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver No idea. I'm actually downloading it now to give it a spin. The milestone releases - at least past the first one or two - tend to be fairly stable. The main issues I've run into in the past are usually with plugins breaking due to API changes. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Ooooh... Is 3.3m4 stable at all? Do you think this would be safe for general use? ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:268303 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Dreamweaver is a generic web editor, CFEclipse is aimed as an integrated development environment for ColdFusion There are differences here I understand but I code a lot of CF... and I do a little HTML (a little) so I guess its the percentage thing MD On 25 Jan 2007, at 15:30, Heather Wegner wrote: Mark, could you please explain what the difference in goals is? Also, what are the chances of CFEclipse showing hidden characters? I prefer to see dots for spaces, paragraph and indent markers, etc. Is there a way to get CFEclipse to show these control characters? Thanks! The goals of DW and CFEclipse are slightly different, so it is also horses for courses. I do use DW and it is pretty awesome (now..well..since October?). We are working hard to get CFE to do *everything* that someone could want to do.. and all you need do is ask or get involved to make it better. Regards Mark Drew On 29 Jan 2006, at 17:13, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:268304 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Mark, could you please explain what the difference in goals is? Also, what are the chances of CFEclipse showing hidden characters? I prefer to see dots for spaces, paragraph and indent markers, etc. Is there a way to get CFEclipse to show these control characters? Thanks! The goals of DW and CFEclipse are slightly different, so it is also horses for courses. I do use DW and it is pretty awesome (now..well..since October?). We are working hard to get CFE to do *everything* that someone could want to do.. and all you need do is ask or get involved to make it better. Regards Mark Drew On 29 Jan 2006, at 17:13, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267629 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Heather...just FYI, I'm asking for this too. I used it ALL THE TIME in Editplus and it's a big benefit in my development. -Original Message- From: Heather Wegner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Mark, could you please explain what the difference in goals is? Also, what are the chances of CFEclipse showing hidden characters? I prefer to see dots for spaces, paragraph and indent markers, etc. Is there a way to get CFEclipse to show these control characters? Thanks! The goals of DW and CFEclipse are slightly different, so it is also horses for courses. I do use DW and it is pretty awesome (now..well..since October?). We are working hard to get CFE to do *everything* that someone could want to do.. and all you need do is ask or get involved to make it better. Regards Mark Drew On 29 Jan 2006, at 17:13, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267631 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I haven't tried it, but the AnyEdit plug-in (http://andrei.gmxhome.de/anyedit/) can do this, and it says it works with CFEclipse. -Original Message- From: Heather Wegner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Mark, could you please explain what the difference in goals is? Also, what are the chances of CFEclipse showing hidden characters? I prefer to see dots for spaces, paragraph and indent markers, etc. Is there a way to get CFEclipse to show these control characters? Thanks! ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267632 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Just tried it and it doesn't work in Eclipse. Interestly it doesn't even appear to work in the Java perspective. :( -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver I haven't tried it, but the AnyEdit plug-in (http://andrei.gmxhome.de/anyedit/) can do this, and it says it works with CFEclipse. -Original Message- From: Heather Wegner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Mark, could you please explain what the difference in goals is? Also, what are the chances of CFEclipse showing hidden characters? I prefer to see dots for spaces, paragraph and indent markers, etc. Is there a way to get CFEclipse to show these control characters? Thanks! ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267635 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Just tried it myself, and you're right - oh well, seemed worth a shot. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Just tried it and it doesn't work in Eclipse. Interestly it doesn't even appear to work in the Java perspective. :( -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver I haven't tried it, but the AnyEdit plug-in (http://andrei.gmxhome.de/anyedit/) can do this, and it says it works with CFEclipse. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267636 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I appreciate you mentioning it. -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:21 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Just tried it myself, and you're right - oh well, seemed worth a shot. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:10 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Just tried it and it doesn't work in Eclipse. Interestly it doesn't even appear to work in the Java perspective. :( -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 10:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver I haven't tried it, but the AnyEdit plug-in (http://andrei.gmxhome.de/anyedit/) can do this, and it says it works with CFEclipse. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267639 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
One more thing you might try - it appears to be an available in Eclipse 3.3M4 - http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/S-3.3M4-200612141445 /eclipse-news-M4.html -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver I appreciate you mentioning it. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267640 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Ooooh... Is 3.3m4 stable at all? Do you think this would be safe for general use? -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:29 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver One more thing you might try - it appears to be an available in Eclipse 3.3M4 - http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops/S-3.3M4-200612141445 /eclipse-news-M4.html -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver I appreciate you mentioning it. ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267641 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
No idea. I'm actually downloading it now to give it a spin. The milestone releases - at least past the first one or two - tend to be fairly stable. The main issues I've run into in the past are usually with plugins breaking due to API changes. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Ooooh... Is 3.3m4 stable at all? Do you think this would be safe for general use? ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267643 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Mark... Is the current build of CFEclipse up to the 3.3M4 milestone? -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver No idea. I'm actually downloading it now to give it a spin. The milestone releases - at least past the first one or two - tend to be fairly stable. The main issues I've run into in the past are usually with plugins breaking due to API changes. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:29 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Ooooh... Is 3.3m4 stable at all? Do you think this would be safe for general use? ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267650 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Well, in my limited usage so far, it seems stable, CFEclipse is working fine (as is Subclipse and Aptana), so it seems like it might be a good option for you. In fact, one annoying CFEclipse bug seems to have disappeared - in 3.2 typing cfscript would hang the workspace for about 30 seconds, then close the tag with an extra in between. It doesn't do that in 3.3M4 with the same version of CFEclipse. Also, one annoying thing about the show whitespace characters option is that you can't toggle it in a live editor - you have to close and then reopen the file for it to apply. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Mark... Is the current build of CFEclipse up to the 3.3M4 milestone? ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267669 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I'll consider giving it a shot. Thanks for being a test subject. -Original Message- From: Doug Bezona [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Well, in my limited usage so far, it seems stable, CFEclipse is working fine (as is Subclipse and Aptana), so it seems like it might be a good option for you. In fact, one annoying CFEclipse bug seems to have disappeared - in 3.2 typing cfscript would hang the workspace for about 30 seconds, then close the tag with an extra in between. It doesn't do that in 3.3M4 with the same version of CFEclipse. Also, one annoying thing about the show whitespace characters option is that you can't toggle it in a live editor - you have to close and then reopen the file for it to apply. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 12:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Mark... Is the current build of CFEclipse up to the 3.3M4 milestone? ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267671 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Hi Barney, yes, you are right. When it comes to version control with CVS et al., CFEclipse is best suited. Thanks for pointing that out. Apart from being the CF developer, I am also a Java developer and working on Eclipse platform too. So, I can see the benefits that you describe. Within one tool, you can move from Java to CF to XML to anything else Eclipse is supporting. In that aspect, CFEclipse is cool. May be I should find another Eclipse plug-ins for HTML and CSS for design aspects. Thanks Regards, Pine The Aptana plugin is very good for CSS, JS and XHTML code editing. The ftp and sftp synchronizer makes the tool well worth the download. regards, larry -- Larry C. Lyons Web Analyst BEI Resources American Type Culture Collection http://www.beiresources.org email: llyons(at)atcc(dot)org tel: 703.365.2700.2678 -- ~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 MX7 integration create powerful cross-platform RIAs http:http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:267674 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Thanks Steven. That is really helpful. I am going to try CSS Editor, Javascript Editor and probably colorer. Regards, Pine -Original Message- From: Steven Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Sure, here's my list of essentials. Takes about 15 minutes to install these. - CFeclipse (http://www.cfeclipse.org/) - Subclipse (http://subclipse.tigris.org/) - QuickREx (http://www.bastian-bergerhoff.com/eclipse/features/web/QuickREx/toc.htm l) - DBEdit* (http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbedit) - CSS Editor (http://csseditor.sourceforge.net/) - Javascript editor (http://www.interaktonline.com/Products/Eclipse/JSEclipse/Overview/) Other I have installed but aren't essential for CF development. - PHP Editor (http://www.phpeclipse.de/tiki-view_articles.php) - Flex 2 plugin (http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/flexframework2/) - Colorer (http://colorer.sourceforge.net/eclipsecolorer/index.html) *Note about DBEdit plugin. The auto-install site installs the tool buggy. Best to download the zip and install it manually (just unzip directly to eclipse directory). I'm familiar with all the new features in DW8. I really do like the CSS editor... a lot. However, the one in Eclipse suits my needs so I never think to open up DW for it. -Original Message- From: Greg Hamer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Steve, I have Eclipse 3.1 with CFEclipse 1.2.0. Obviously Eclipse gives me the Java code editor, and CFEclipse the CF code editor. Am I correct that for me to have a config that matches yours, I have to install a few more plugins? e.g for DB tool, stylesheet editor, Subversion view and regular expression builder? Would you be so kind as to share with me which plugins you are using? I currently am not in a team environment. Your sharing how you have rolled up your configuration would be greatly appreciated :) I anticipate I will be spending alot of time in Flex 2 starting next month, so there is some Eclipse in my future one way or another. Thank you for sharing how you are using Eclipse. btw ... Lynda.com has a great 17 part (1 hour), online video training title on Dreamweaver 8 New Features with Garrick Chow. The first 2 on CSS are free. Link here: http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=173 Best regards, g ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230869 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Michael, I shall be having a look at this this week. There might be an easy workaround, and will let you know as soon as I can Regards Mark Drew On 30 Jan 2006, at 01:17, Dawson, Michael wrote: Mark, the only thing that is keeping me from really trying CFE is the problem where the snippets panel throws errors until you open a CF document, close the snippet view, then re-open the snippet view. Has this been fixed yet? Thanks! -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver I have to agree with *some* of the points about DW vs CFE but for me CFE has some great features (and more coming guys!) that DW just doesnt have: 1) Integrated IDE (I can do proper Db queries with it) 2) Great range of plugins for JS and CSS 3) Fantastic snippets, I do all my fusedocs with them as they are nice and dynamic and it can add some things like filename, date etc and I can just type in what the item does. 4) The fusebox plugin for cfe (ok.. I wrote it.. I got to like it!) 5) I dont like something with it? I can change it and add things to it. 6) CF had code folding etc before DW 8 even come out! 7) Doing event gateways?? damn, I can write the Java, CFC and CF required 8) you can integrate CFUnit (using Ant) with it 9) Integrated browser (you dont need to alt+tab) 10) you can run flex builder 2 in the SAME IDE!!! 11) CVS, VSS, SVN integration. There are many downfalls I am sure, but there are things I want to add to compete with DW to CFEclipse, things that come to mind: 1) Integration to the CF server to add debugging (maybe integrating into the starfish reporter from Ray 2) Component browsing of the server 3) Component browsing of local files (without requiring a server) 4) Integration of snippets into CFLib 5) compile CF as you write (or even as an external tool.. this is possible, just havent figured out how to get it working right) 6) Toolbars and custom toolbars (working on this) 7) Local CFDocs (again working on this) rather than the piss poor docs in DW The goals of DW and CFEclipse are slightly different, so it is also horses for courses. I do use DW and it is pretty awesome (now..well..since October?). We are working hard to get CFE to do *everything* that someone could want to do.. and all you need do is ask or get involved to make it better. Regards Mark Drew ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230720 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I mainly use Dreamweaver, use DWMX at work and DW8 at home. Before that I used Homesite/Studio for years, actually forced myself to switch to Dreamweaver about 1.5 years ago and mainly so I could learn it just in case I got a job somewhere that it was the preferred IDE. I never use the design view in Dreamweaver, just use it for writing code. The one thing I really do not care for it is the Code help files, I find them a little hard to read in their current layout and sometimes wish I could copy n paste from them with the mouse. I do miss a few hot keys that I used all the time in Homesite/Studio but I have learned to work around them. I have tried CFEclipse a few random times, never had enough time to dedicate to trying to learn it which is probably why I never got a wow effect. On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, What IDE do you normally use for CF? I heard a lot of raves about CFEclipse so I downloaded it and use at home. I normally use Dreamweaver at work. Apart from CFEclipse being free, I do not find any considerable edge or advantage over Dreamweaver. (Any CFEclipse developers, no offence please.) Any thoughts on this? May be I am not using it right but CFEclipse lacks mainly, IMHO, in graphical representation. In Dreamweaver, I can go back and fort on Design view and Code view and most of the HTML component creation is a snap. (May be CFEclipse is more geared for pure ColdFusion.) But in CFEclipse I need to type everything in. Well, may be I am not geek enough but just typing everything in for complex UI seem like really a chore to me. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230735 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I must agree here too - I am responsible for HTML, CF, JS and everything else on our sites and since we are site licensed for Studio 8, I can't be bothered to crank up Eclipse any more unless I am actually working on Java code. DW's code folding is great and there are, as you say, many other suble changes that make it far more coder friendly; the thing I love the most is that they fixed my most major DW annoyance by introducing background FTP transfers. Someone at Adobe buy a beer for the person that came up with that idea, because they are a legend. I use TortoiseSVN, so I don't care about finding an integrated plugin for repo management via DW. On 1/29/06, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love Dreamweaver 8 - Macromedia made many obvious and subtle improvements. It is a lot faster and more stable than its predecessors also. Fireworks is great too - despite having Adobe Photoshop CS2 installed (it has many annoying differences from Fireworks). I still use HomeSite (nee CF Studio) a bit also for quick and dirty code cutting. At AUD$600 to upgrade Studio 8 was a bargain in my opinion. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230688 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I was happily using DW8 along with TortoiseSVN and then corrupted my archive. I guess when you delete a file from DW8, it doesn't play nice with SVN and will corrupt the local working copy sometimes. This is what makes me keep going back to cfeclipse. That and the local history DW8 is leaps and bounds better than DWMX2004, but now that I've been spoiled to having SVN integration of eclipse, I can't bring myself to stick with DW8 full time. Even with the SVN plugin for DW8, it's not near as handy as eclipse. The SVN plugin for DW8 definitely seems like an unintegrated bolt-on solution. On 1/29/06, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use TortoiseSVN, so I don't care about finding an integrated plugin for repo management via DW. -- aeteti yeah, do you seeyea, ooohohohn neh I don wanta seh, yeh nah, I don wanna seh, Pearl Jam, Yellow Ledbetter ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230693 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I have to agree with *some* of the points about DW vs CFE but for me CFE has some great features (and more coming guys!) that DW just doesnt have: 1) Integrated IDE (I can do proper Db queries with it) 2) Great range of plugins for JS and CSS 3) Fantastic snippets, I do all my fusedocs with them as they are nice and dynamic and it can add some things like filename, date etc and I can just type in what the item does. 4) The fusebox plugin for cfe (ok.. I wrote it.. I got to like it!) 5) I dont like something with it? I can change it and add things to it. 6) CF had code folding etc before DW 8 even come out! 7) Doing event gateways?? damn, I can write the Java, CFC and CF required 8) you can integrate CFUnit (using Ant) with it 9) Integrated browser (you dont need to alt+tab) 10) you can run flex builder 2 in the SAME IDE!!! 11) CVS, VSS, SVN integration. There are many downfalls I am sure, but there are things I want to add to compete with DW to CFEclipse, things that come to mind: 1) Integration to the CF server to add debugging (maybe integrating into the starfish reporter from Ray 2) Component browsing of the server 3) Component browsing of local files (without requiring a server) 4) Integration of snippets into CFLib 5) compile CF as you write (or even as an external tool.. this is possible, just havent figured out how to get it working right) 6) Toolbars and custom toolbars (working on this) 7) Local CFDocs (again working on this) rather than the piss poor docs in DW The goals of DW and CFEclipse are slightly different, so it is also horses for courses. I do use DW and it is pretty awesome (now..well..since October?). We are working hard to get CFE to do *everything* that someone could want to do.. and all you need do is ask or get involved to make it better. Regards Mark Drew On 29 Jan 2006, at 17:13, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: I was happily using DW8 along with TortoiseSVN and then corrupted my archive. I guess when you delete a file from DW8, it doesn't play nice with SVN and will corrupt the local working copy sometimes. This is what makes me keep going back to cfeclipse. That and the local history DW8 is leaps and bounds better than DWMX2004, but now that I've been spoiled to having SVN integration of eclipse, I can't bring myself to stick with DW8 full time. Even with the SVN plugin for DW8, it's not near as handy as eclipse. The SVN plugin for DW8 definitely seems like an unintegrated bolt-on solution. On 1/29/06, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use TortoiseSVN, so I don't care about finding an integrated plugin for repo management via DW. -- aeteti yeah, do you seeyea, ooohohohn neh I don wanta seh, yeh nah, I don wanna seh, Pearl Jam, Yellow Ledbetter ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230707 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Mark, Keep up the good work. CFE is a great IDE. I have no doubt the things some of us like in DW will sooner or later show up in CFE. It definitely has it's strong points over DW8 and Vice Versa. Can't wait to see what you add! On 1/29/06, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree with *some* of the points about DW vs CFE but for me CFE has some great features (and more coming guys!) that DW just doesnt have: 1) Integrated IDE (I can do proper Db queries with it) 2) Great range of plugins for JS and CSS 3) Fantastic snippets, I do all my fusedocs with them as they are nice and dynamic and it can add some things like filename, date etc and I can just type in what the item does. 4) The fusebox plugin for cfe (ok.. I wrote it.. I got to like it!) 5) I dont like something with it? I can change it and add things to it. 6) CF had code folding etc before DW 8 even come out! 7) Doing event gateways?? damn, I can write the Java, CFC and CF required 8) you can integrate CFUnit (using Ant) with it 9) Integrated browser (you dont need to alt+tab) 10) you can run flex builder 2 in the SAME IDE!!! 11) CVS, VSS, SVN integration. There are many downfalls I am sure, but there are things I want to add to compete with DW to CFEclipse, things that come to mind: 1) Integration to the CF server to add debugging (maybe integrating into the starfish reporter from Ray 2) Component browsing of the server 3) Component browsing of local files (without requiring a server) 4) Integration of snippets into CFLib 5) compile CF as you write (or even as an external tool.. this is possible, just havent figured out how to get it working right) 6) Toolbars and custom toolbars (working on this) 7) Local CFDocs (again working on this) rather than the piss poor docs in DW The goals of DW and CFEclipse are slightly different, so it is also horses for courses. I do use DW and it is pretty awesome (now..well..since October?). We are working hard to get CFE to do *everything* that someone could want to do.. and all you need do is ask or get involved to make it better. Regards Mark Drew On 29 Jan 2006, at 17:13, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: I was happily using DW8 along with TortoiseSVN and then corrupted my archive. I guess when you delete a file from DW8, it doesn't play nice with SVN and will corrupt the local working copy sometimes. This is what makes me keep going back to cfeclipse. That and the local history DW8 is leaps and bounds better than DWMX2004, but now that I've been spoiled to having SVN integration of eclipse, I can't bring myself to stick with DW8 full time. Even with the SVN plugin for DW8, it's not near as handy as eclipse. The SVN plugin for DW8 definitely seems like an unintegrated bolt-on solution. On 1/29/06, James Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use TortoiseSVN, so I don't care about finding an integrated plugin for repo management via DW. -- aeteti yeah, do you seeyea, ooohohohn neh I don wanta seh, yeh nah, I don wanna seh, Pearl Jam, Yellow Ledbetter ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230709 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Mark, the only thing that is keeping me from really trying CFE is the problem where the snippets panel throws errors until you open a CF document, close the snippet view, then re-open the snippet view. Has this been fixed yet? Thanks! -Original Message- From: Mark Drew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver I have to agree with *some* of the points about DW vs CFE but for me CFE has some great features (and more coming guys!) that DW just doesnt have: 1) Integrated IDE (I can do proper Db queries with it) 2) Great range of plugins for JS and CSS 3) Fantastic snippets, I do all my fusedocs with them as they are nice and dynamic and it can add some things like filename, date etc and I can just type in what the item does. 4) The fusebox plugin for cfe (ok.. I wrote it.. I got to like it!) 5) I dont like something with it? I can change it and add things to it. 6) CF had code folding etc before DW 8 even come out! 7) Doing event gateways?? damn, I can write the Java, CFC and CF required 8) you can integrate CFUnit (using Ant) with it 9) Integrated browser (you dont need to alt+tab) 10) you can run flex builder 2 in the SAME IDE!!! 11) CVS, VSS, SVN integration. There are many downfalls I am sure, but there are things I want to add to compete with DW to CFEclipse, things that come to mind: 1) Integration to the CF server to add debugging (maybe integrating into the starfish reporter from Ray 2) Component browsing of the server 3) Component browsing of local files (without requiring a server) 4) Integration of snippets into CFLib 5) compile CF as you write (or even as an external tool.. this is possible, just havent figured out how to get it working right) 6) Toolbars and custom toolbars (working on this) 7) Local CFDocs (again working on this) rather than the piss poor docs in DW The goals of DW and CFEclipse are slightly different, so it is also horses for courses. I do use DW and it is pretty awesome (now..well..since October?). We are working hard to get CFE to do *everything* that someone could want to do.. and all you need do is ask or get involved to make it better. Regards Mark Drew ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230712 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I'm discovering more DW8 goodies as I go here. I created a new file from the context (right click) menu of the file list, changed the default untitled.cfm name to .cfc and opened it up, expecting to have to delete the default html included in a new file; not so! DW knew that I wanted a CFC file simply from the name and automatically fleshed it out with the default CFC outline code instead. Yet another added time saver I didn't know about. -- CFAJAX docs and other useful articles: http://jr-holmes.coldfusionjournal.com/ ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230719 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I love Dreamweaver 8 - Macromedia made many obvious and subtle improvements. It is a lot faster and more stable than its predecessors also. Fireworks is great too - despite having Adobe Photoshop CS2 installed (it has many annoying differences from Fireworks). I still use HomeSite (nee CF Studio) a bit also for quick and dirty code cutting. At AUD$600 to upgrade Studio 8 was a bargain in my opinion. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230684 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
CFE is definitely targeted at code-centric developers, while DW is essentially an HTML design tool that has had a lot code-centric stuff bolted on. Neither approach is better or worse, just suited to different people. The most important difference, however, has nothing to do with that. CFE is built upon Eclipse, which brings with it more tools that you could hope to learn about this year. You install Eclipse, and then you can start building the dev environment that you need, not the one that company X thought you needed. For example, DW doesn't integrate with version control, but Eclipse plugins exist for CVS, SVN, Perforce, VSS, and probably others. Want XML editing? There are choices there too: XmlBuddy, oXygen, MyEclipse's XML stuff, and others. That's the best reason I see to use CFE over DW. In all honesty, I still think CFE is lacking compared to DW in some areas (like snippet usability), but the external tools support make it WAY better overall. I might lose 10-15 minutes a day because of stuff DW would make easier, but I'll save an hour or more with all the other integrated tools I can use in it. cheers, barneyb On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, What IDE do you normally use for CF? I heard a lot of raves about CFEclipse so I downloaded it and use at home. I normally use Dreamweaver at work. Apart from CFEclipse being free, I do not find any considerable edge or advantage over Dreamweaver. (Any CFEclipse developers, no offence please.) Any thoughts on this? May be I am not using it right but CFEclipse lacks mainly, IMHO, in graphical representation. In Dreamweaver, I can go back and fort on Design view and Code view and most of the HTML component creation is a snap. (May be CFEclipse is more geared for pure ColdFusion.) But in CFEclipse I need to type everything in. Well, may be I am not geek enough but just typing everything in for complex UI seem like really a chore to me. Thanks Regards, Phyo Pine -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230644 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
If you find that the design view part of DreamWeaver is important to you, it is probably best to stick with that rather than CFEclipse. One of the goals of CFEclipse is to be a code centric tool, which means that we have pretty much no intention of adding design view support. Spike On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, What IDE do you normally use for CF? I heard a lot of raves about CFEclipse so I downloaded it and use at home. I normally use Dreamweaver at work. Apart from CFEclipse being free, I do not find any considerable edge or advantage over Dreamweaver. (Any CFEclipse developers, no offence please.) Any thoughts on this? May be I am not using it right but CFEclipse lacks mainly, IMHO, in graphical representation. In Dreamweaver, I can go back and fort on Design view and Code view and most of the HTML component creation is a snap. (May be CFEclipse is more geared for pure ColdFusion.) But in CFEclipse I need to type everything in. Well, may be I am not geek enough but just typing everything in for complex UI seem like really a chore to me. Thanks Regards, Phyo Pine Information Systems Specialist DMV - ODOT ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230645 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
The MyEclipse set of plugins has visual HTML editing, if you need it. It's woth the $30/yr for the other tools, but that one's in there as well. www.myeclipseide.com cheers, barneyb On 1/27/06, Spike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you find that the design view part of DreamWeaver is important to you, it is probably best to stick with that rather than CFEclipse. One of the goals of CFEclipse is to be a code centric tool, which means that we have pretty much no intention of adding design view support. Spike -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230646 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Just to clarify DW does integrate with source control. VSS, out of the box, others with some tweaking. I've used Seapine and VSS with DW That said. I like both. THere are some lazy programmer things DW offers (tag closing) that I really have gotten used to. Both are great in their own ways. On 1/27/06, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CFE is definitely targeted at code-centric developers, while DW is essentially an HTML design tool that has had a lot code-centric stuff bolted on. Neither approach is better or worse, just suited to different people. The most important difference, however, has nothing to do with that. CFE is built upon Eclipse, which brings with it more tools that you could hope to learn about this year. You install Eclipse, and then you can start building the dev environment that you need, not the one that company X thought you needed. For example, DW doesn't integrate with version control, but Eclipse plugins exist for CVS, SVN, Perforce, VSS, and probably others. Want XML editing? There are choices there too: XmlBuddy, oXygen, MyEclipse's XML stuff, and others. That's the best reason I see to use CFE over DW. In all honesty, I still think CFE is lacking compared to DW in some areas (like snippet usability), but the external tools support make it WAY better overall. I might lose 10-15 minutes a day because of stuff DW would make easier, but I'll save an hour or more with all the other integrated tools I can use in it. cheers, barneyb On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, What IDE do you normally use for CF? I heard a lot of raves about CFEclipse so I downloaded it and use at home. I normally use Dreamweaver at work. Apart from CFEclipse being free, I do not find any considerable edge or advantage over Dreamweaver. (Any CFEclipse developers, no offence please.) Any thoughts on this? May be I am not using it right but CFEclipse lacks mainly, IMHO, in graphical representation. In Dreamweaver, I can go back and fort on Design view and Code view and most of the HTML component creation is a snap. (May be CFEclipse is more geared for pure ColdFusion.) But in CFEclipse I need to type everything in. Well, may be I am not geek enough but just typing everything in for complex UI seem like really a chore to me. Thanks Regards, Phyo Pine -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230648 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Hi Barney, yes, you are right. When it comes to version control with CVS et al., CFEclipse is best suited. Thanks for pointing that out. Apart from being the CF developer, I am also a Java developer and working on Eclipse platform too. So, I can see the benefits that you describe. Within one tool, you can move from Java to CF to XML to anything else Eclipse is supporting. In that aspect, CFEclipse is cool. May be I should find another Eclipse plug-ins for HTML and CSS for design aspects. Thanks Regards, Pine -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver CFE is definitely targeted at code-centric developers, while DW is essentially an HTML design tool that has had a lot code-centric stuff bolted on. Neither approach is better or worse, just suited to different people. The most important difference, however, has nothing to do with that. CFE is built upon Eclipse, which brings with it more tools that you could hope to learn about this year. You install Eclipse, and then you can start building the dev environment that you need, not the one that company X thought you needed. For example, DW doesn't integrate with version control, but Eclipse plugins exist for CVS, SVN, Perforce, VSS, and probably others. Want XML editing? There are choices there too: XmlBuddy, oXygen, MyEclipse's XML stuff, and others. That's the best reason I see to use CFE over DW. In all honesty, I still think CFE is lacking compared to DW in some areas (like snippet usability), but the external tools support make it WAY better overall. I might lose 10-15 minutes a day because of stuff DW would make easier, but I'll save an hour or more with all the other integrated tools I can use in it. cheers, barneyb On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, What IDE do you normally use for CF? I heard a lot of raves about CFEclipse so I downloaded it and use at home. I normally use Dreamweaver at work. Apart from CFEclipse being free, I do not find any considerable edge or advantage over Dreamweaver. (Any CFEclipse developers, no offence please.) Any thoughts on this? May be I am not using it right but CFEclipse lacks mainly, IMHO, in graphical representation. In Dreamweaver, I can go back and fort on Design view and Code view and most of the HTML component creation is a snap. (May be CFEclipse is more geared for pure ColdFusion.) But in CFEclipse I need to type everything in. Well, may be I am not geek enough but just typing everything in for complex UI seem like really a chore to me. Thanks Regards, Phyo Pine -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230647 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Hi Spike, You are probably right. While I want to code tons of CFCs or UDFs I might use CFEclipse and while I have many UI elements to develop, I might switch to Dreamweaver. Nonetheless, I can see CFEclipse has the potential and would like to see some design elements considerations in future version. Anyway, that is just my view. A little bit OT but just curious since I am also using WSAD (WebSphere Application Developer) which is on Eclipse platform, is there any way that I can use CFEclipse inside WSAD? Thanks Regards, Pine -Original Message- From: Spike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver If you find that the design view part of DreamWeaver is important to you, it is probably best to stick with that rather than CFEclipse. One of the goals of CFEclipse is to be a code centric tool, which means that we have pretty much no intention of adding design view support. Spike On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, What IDE do you normally use for CF? I heard a lot of raves about CFEclipse so I downloaded it and use at home. I normally use Dreamweaver at work. Apart from CFEclipse being free, I do not find any considerable edge or advantage over Dreamweaver. (Any CFEclipse developers, no offence please.) Any thoughts on this? May be I am not using it right but CFEclipse lacks mainly, IMHO, in graphical representation. In Dreamweaver, I can go back and fort on Design view and Code view and most of the HTML component creation is a snap. (May be CFEclipse is more geared for pure ColdFusion.) But in CFEclipse I need to type everything in. Well, may be I am not geek enough but just typing everything in for complex UI seem like really a chore to me. Thanks Regards, Phyo Pine Information Systems Specialist DMV - ODOT ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230649 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Heh heh... You are right on about the tag closing feature. Now-a-days, after I typed an opening tag, I almost expect the closing tag to be appeared automatically.. -Original Message- From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Just to clarify DW does integrate with source control. VSS, out of the box, others with some tweaking. I've used Seapine and VSS with DW That said. I like both. THere are some lazy programmer things DW offers (tag closing) that I really have gotten used to. Both are great in their own ways. On 1/27/06, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CFE is definitely targeted at code-centric developers, while DW is essentially an HTML design tool that has had a lot code-centric stuff bolted on. Neither approach is better or worse, just suited to different people. The most important difference, however, has nothing to do with that. CFE is built upon Eclipse, which brings with it more tools that you could hope to learn about this year. You install Eclipse, and then you can start building the dev environment that you need, not the one that company X thought you needed. For example, DW doesn't integrate with version control, but Eclipse plugins exist for CVS, SVN, Perforce, VSS, and probably others. Want XML editing? There are choices there too: XmlBuddy, oXygen, MyEclipse's XML stuff, and others. That's the best reason I see to use CFE over DW. In all honesty, I still think CFE is lacking compared to DW in some areas (like snippet usability), but the external tools support make it WAY better overall. I might lose 10-15 minutes a day because of stuff DW would make easier, but I'll save an hour or more with all the other integrated tools I can use in it. cheers, barneyb On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, What IDE do you normally use for CF? I heard a lot of raves about CFEclipse so I downloaded it and use at home. I normally use Dreamweaver at work. Apart from CFEclipse being free, I do not find any considerable edge or advantage over Dreamweaver. (Any CFEclipse developers, no offence please.) Any thoughts on this? May be I am not using it right but CFEclipse lacks mainly, IMHO, in graphical representation. In Dreamweaver, I can go back and fort on Design view and Code view and most of the HTML component creation is a snap. (May be CFEclipse is more geared for pure ColdFusion.) But in CFEclipse I need to type everything in. Well, may be I am not geek enough but just typing everything in for complex UI seem like really a chore to me. Thanks Regards, Phyo Pine -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230650 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
as barney said, myeclipse has all that and more, especially for java developers. definitely check their site. imho, it's the best java plugin for the money that you can get. yes, you are right. When it comes to version control with CVS et al., CFEclipse is best suited. Thanks for pointing that out. Apart from being the CF developer, I am also a Java developer and working on Eclipse platform too. So, I can see the benefits that you describe. Within one tool, you can move from Java to CF to XML to anything else Eclipse is supporting. In that aspect, CFEclipse is cool. May be I should find another Eclipse plug-ins for HTML and CSS for design aspects. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230651 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Dreamweaver = Windows and Mac Eclipse = Linux, Windows Mac Adobe - Windows, Mac - So I doubt we'll see any change soon... DAM! Outside of this, unless your making straight plain websites like google. Dreamweaver is the way to go... Take your fireworks layout, cut-it up, do some tricky stuff in dreamweaver, Add your CFas needed though the templates and of course look at your website as it's being built. BAM!!! Properties inspector is fairly good in dreamweaver. I could do without having to use a seperate pannel for CFFORM properties and stuff like that but ourside of this everything you need it right there. Yeah your still coding a bunch, but if you CODE CORECTLY it will show up in dreamweaver. I've seen my fair share of scripts which show some type of closed table crap, where you can't see the correct table layout... Just this table cell where you should see a whole application... It migh work like it is but there must be problems in the code if dreamweaver can't even figure out what your coldfusion is doing inside table cells. I've seen this when people used Coldfusion Studio... Outside of this... I'm about to switch to Eclipse just to go back to linux... On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh heh... You are right on about the tag closing feature. Now-a-days, after I typed an opening tag, I almost expect the closing tag to be appeared automatically.. -Original Message- From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Just to clarify DW does integrate with source control. VSS, out of the box, others with some tweaking. I've used Seapine and VSS with DW That said. I like both. THere are some lazy programmer things DW offers (tag closing) that I really have gotten used to. Both are great in their own ways. On 1/27/06, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CFE is definitely targeted at code-centric developers, while DW is essentially an HTML design tool that has had a lot code-centric stuff bolted on. Neither approach is better or worse, just suited to different people. The most important difference, however, has nothing to do with that. CFE is built upon Eclipse, which brings with it more tools that you could hope to learn about this year. You install Eclipse, and then you can start building the dev environment that you need, not the one that company X thought you needed. For example, DW doesn't integrate with version control, but Eclipse plugins exist for CVS, SVN, Perforce, VSS, and probably others. Want XML editing? There are choices there too: XmlBuddy, oXygen, MyEclipse's XML stuff, and others. That's the best reason I see to use CFE over DW. In all honesty, I still think CFE is lacking compared to DW in some areas (like snippet usability), but the external tools support make it WAY better overall. I might lose 10-15 minutes a day because of stuff DW would make easier, but I'll save an hour or more with all the other integrated tools I can use in it. cheers, barneyb On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, What IDE do you normally use for CF? I heard a lot of raves about CFEclipse so I downloaded it and use at home. I normally use Dreamweaver at work. Apart from CFEclipse being free, I do not find any considerable edge or advantage over Dreamweaver. (Any CFEclipse developers, no offence please.) Any thoughts on this? May be I am not using it right but CFEclipse lacks mainly, IMHO, in graphical representation. In Dreamweaver, I can go back and fort on Design view and Code view and most of the HTML component creation is a snap. (May be CFEclipse is more geared for pure ColdFusion.) But in CFEclipse I need to type everything in. Well, may be I am not geek enough but just typing everything in for complex UI seem like really a chore to me. Thanks Regards, Phyo Pine -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230652 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
One simple question re: CFEclipse. I'm still using CF Studio 5.0. I can write my code, snippet support is good, and I can use the left hand side explorer view to FTP to my web servers and edit file in situ. I find Dreamweaver to be a little buggy if/when the FTP connection runs slowly, so I still use CFStudio. I can't find a similar feature in CFEclipse. Is there an easy way to see an explorer view with a list of FTP servers so I can edit various remote files easily in CFEclipse? Best Wishes, Peter -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:50 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver as barney said, myeclipse has all that and more, especially for java developers. definitely check their site. imho, it's the best java plugin for the money that you can get. yes, you are right. When it comes to version control with CVS et al., CFEclipse is best suited. Thanks for pointing that out. Apart from being the CF developer, I am also a Java developer and working on Eclipse platform too. So, I can see the benefits that you describe. Within one tool, you can move from Java to CF to XML to anything else Eclipse is supporting. In that aspect, CFEclipse is cool. May be I should find another Eclipse plug-ins for HTML and CSS for design aspects. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230656 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
On 1/27/06, Peter Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find Dreamweaver to be a little buggy if/when the FTP connection runs slowly Which version of Dreamweaver? FTP support was overhauled for DW8 and now runs in the background so it doesn't even stop you working on files while FTP operations execute. I can't find a similar feature in CFEclipse. Is there an easy way to see an explorer view with a list of FTP servers so I can edit various remote files easily in CFEclipse? FTP support is pretty poor in Eclipse, in my opinion. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230657 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I second that... remote access in general is weak in Eclipse. Also bad, is not being able to double-click a file in windows explorer and have it open in the same instance of Eclipse. Spike has a plug-in for that I think, but it seems heavy for something so trivial. Eclipse likes you to create projects. Baz -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver On 1/27/06, Peter Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find Dreamweaver to be a little buggy if/when the FTP connection runs slowly Which version of Dreamweaver? FTP support was overhauled for DW8 and now runs in the background so it doesn't even stop you working on files while FTP operations execute. I can't find a similar feature in CFEclipse. Is there an easy way to see an explorer view with a list of FTP servers so I can edit various remote files easily in CFEclipse? FTP support is pretty poor in Eclipse, in my opinion. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230659 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Great question Phyo! I too heard the buzz about CFEclipse, installed it and ended up wondering what all of the excitement was about? Sincerely, I really do want to be won over. But in doing the comparison, would the CFEclipse advocates please qualify which version of Dreamweaver they last worked with? DW8's tag collapse and balance braces alone make it a winner for me. Note, the tag collapse works with any tag based syntax. It is the bomb. Regarding Barney's view about the code-centric stuff bolted on, I prefer to view it as two tools for the price of one. The world's best graphical HTML authoring tool (and DW8 has brilliant improvements for CSS support), AND for code editing, HOMESITE/CFStudio evolved. And I too like being able to navigate by going back and forth between code and design views. No dis on CFEclipse. I am a HUGE open source fan (MySQL, Subversion, Tomcat, Open Office, and on and on). Personally for me, however, CFEclipse is not YET the productivity tool that DW8 is. And calling tag completion lazy programmer things. Oh yeah tough guy! So why are you using CFEclipse? Why don't you just do all of your coding in VI. lol. Man, when my fingers are flying across the keyboard, anything that: a) get's the job done sooner; b) eliminates even 1 typo in 1000, is cool by me. I mean, the whole point of using computers is to let computers do the things computers can do (like tag completion and code collapse), so that we developers can maximize our time doing the things that computers can not do. fyi ... following are two recent articles on CFEclipse from CFDJ. The August article is the one that convinced me to take CFEclipse for a spin. The January article I haven't read yet. CFEclipse for ColdFusion Developers -- Jan 20, 2006 http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/167971.htm CFEclipse: The Developer's IDE, Eclipse For ColdFusion -- Aug 18, 2005 http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/48235.htm Again, I look forward to the day that CFEclipse is my tool of choice. But I must say, I admire how Macromedia keeps giving me reasons to buy their products in the midst of competition from open source. Oh, hey, isn't this a cf list? The new features in CF7 were brilliant. No open source tools giving me gateways and report writers (yet). I am now eagerly awaiting the first Adobe CF release. Best Regards, g ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230661 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Reasons I use Eclipse 90% of the time: 1. It's a true IDE. I find it ultimately more convenient to have my DB tool, CF/Java code editor, stylesheet editor, source control view and regular expression builder all available at once instead of having multiple apps open 2. It's free :) 3. Tag completion. Don't know why people think that's a DW only feature 4. CVS and Subversion integration. Have to use 'em and Eclipse tools are uber 5. Interface is more customizable I use Dreamweaver 8 now and it's useful for a couple of things that Eclipse is weak on: 1. Search Replace 2. HTML template creation -Original Message- From: Greg Hamer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Great question Phyo! I too heard the buzz about CFEclipse, installed it and ended up wondering what all of the excitement was about? Sincerely, I really do want to be won over. But in doing the comparison, would the CFEclipse advocates please qualify which version of Dreamweaver they last worked with? DW8's tag collapse and balance braces alone make it a winner for me. Note, the tag collapse works with any tag based syntax. It is the bomb. Regarding Barney's view about the code-centric stuff bolted on, I prefer to view it as two tools for the price of one. The world's best graphical HTML authoring tool (and DW8 has brilliant improvements for CSS support), AND for code editing, HOMESITE/CFStudio evolved. And I too like being able to navigate by going back and forth between code and design views. No dis on CFEclipse. I am a HUGE open source fan (MySQL, Subversion, Tomcat, Open Office, and on and on). Personally for me, however, CFEclipse is not YET the productivity tool that DW8 is. And calling tag completion lazy programmer things. Oh yeah tough guy! So why are you using CFEclipse? Why don't you just do all of your coding in VI. lol. Man, when my fingers are flying across the keyboard, anything that: a) get's the job done sooner; b) eliminates even 1 typo in 1000, is cool by me. I mean, the whole point of using computers is to let computers do the things computers can do (like tag completion and code collapse), so that we developers can maximize our time doing the things that computers can not do. fyi ... following are two recent articles on CFEclipse from CFDJ. The August article is the one that convinced me to take CFEclipse for a spin. The January article I haven't read yet. CFEclipse for ColdFusion Developers -- Jan 20, 2006 http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/167971.htm CFEclipse: The Developer's IDE, Eclipse For ColdFusion -- Aug 18, 2005 http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/read/48235.htm Again, I look forward to the day that CFEclipse is my tool of choice. But I must say, I admire how Macromedia keeps giving me reasons to buy their products in the midst of competition from open source. Oh, hey, isn't this a cf list? The new features in CF7 were brilliant. No open source tools giving me gateways and report writers (yet). I am now eagerly awaiting the first Adobe CF release. Best Regards, g ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230664 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Steve, I have Eclipse 3.1 with CFEclipse 1.2.0. Obviously Eclipse gives me the Java code editor, and CFEclipse the CF code editor. Am I correct that for me to have a config that matches yours, I have to install a few more plugins? e.g for DB tool, stylesheet editor, Subversion view and regular expression builder? Would you be so kind as to share with me which plugins you are using? I currently am not in a team environment. Your sharing how you have rolled up your configuration would be greatly appreciated :) I anticipate I will be spending alot of time in Flex 2 starting next month, so there is some Eclipse in my future one way or another. Thank you for sharing how you are using Eclipse. btw ... Lynda.com has a great 17 part (1 hour), online video training title on Dreamweaver 8 New Features with Garrick Chow. The first 2 on CSS are free. Link here: http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=173 Best regards, g ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230666 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
Never used CFE myself so I can't do a side by side. DW, especially DW8, is pretty sweet though. Will ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230667 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Sure, here's my list of essentials. Takes about 15 minutes to install these. - CFeclipse (http://www.cfeclipse.org/) - Subclipse (http://subclipse.tigris.org/) - QuickREx (http://www.bastian-bergerhoff.com/eclipse/features/web/QuickREx/toc.html) - DBEdit* (http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbedit) - CSS Editor (http://csseditor.sourceforge.net/) - Javascript editor (http://www.interaktonline.com/Products/Eclipse/JSEclipse/Overview/) Other I have installed but aren't essential for CF development. - PHP Editor (http://www.phpeclipse.de/tiki-view_articles.php) - Flex 2 plugin (http://labs.macromedia.com/technologies/flexframework2/) - Colorer (http://colorer.sourceforge.net/eclipsecolorer/index.html) *Note about DBEdit plugin. The auto-install site installs the tool buggy. Best to download the zip and install it manually (just unzip directly to eclipse directory). I'm familiar with all the new features in DW8. I really do like the CSS editor... a lot. However, the one in Eclipse suits my needs so I never think to open up DW for it. -Original Message- From: Greg Hamer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:15 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Steve, I have Eclipse 3.1 with CFEclipse 1.2.0. Obviously Eclipse gives me the Java code editor, and CFEclipse the CF code editor. Am I correct that for me to have a config that matches yours, I have to install a few more plugins? e.g for DB tool, stylesheet editor, Subversion view and regular expression builder? Would you be so kind as to share with me which plugins you are using? I currently am not in a team environment. Your sharing how you have rolled up your configuration would be greatly appreciated :) I anticipate I will be spending alot of time in Flex 2 starting next month, so there is some Eclipse in my future one way or another. Thank you for sharing how you are using Eclipse. btw ... Lynda.com has a great 17 part (1 hour), online video training title on Dreamweaver 8 New Features with Garrick Chow. The first 2 on CSS are free. Link here: http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=173 Best regards, g ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230669 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
DW works just fine with version control and has had check n and check out capabilities for quite some time. At my last contract gig, we used VSS with dreamweaver. It even has a setting specifically for VSS. Eric -Original Message- From: Barney Boisvert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 16:53 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver snipped...DW doesn't integrate with version control...snipped ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230670 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
I tried CFEclipse and just didn't really care for it. DW is ok...I don't use the WSYWYG side of it all, so I don't like the overhead. But overall it is a good product. It does more than just CF, the do whatever company x thinks you should use argument really doesn't apply in this case. I just wish they would go back to CF Studio. That was the best app ever for doing CF. Eric -Original Message- From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 17:02 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Just to clarify DW does integrate with source control. VSS, out of the box, others with some tweaking. I've used Seapine and VSS with DW That said. I like both. THere are some lazy programmer things DW offers (tag closing) that I really have gotten used to. Both are great in their own ways. On 1/27/06, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CFE is definitely targeted at code-centric developers, while DW is essentially an HTML design tool that has had a lot code-centric stuff bolted on. Neither approach is better or worse, just suited to different people. The most important difference, however, has nothing to do with that. CFE is built upon Eclipse, which brings with it more tools that you could hope to learn about this year. You install Eclipse, and then you can start building the dev environment that you need, not the one that company X thought you needed. For example, DW doesn't integrate with version control, but Eclipse plugins exist for CVS, SVN, Perforce, VSS, and probably others. Want XML editing? There are choices there too: XmlBuddy, oXygen, MyEclipse's XML stuff, and others. That's the best reason I see to use CFE over DW. In all honesty, I still think CFE is lacking compared to DW in some areas (like snippet usability), but the external tools support make it WAY better overall. I might lose 10-15 minutes a day because of stuff DW would make easier, but I'll save an hour or more with all the other integrated tools I can use in it. cheers, barneyb On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, What IDE do you normally use for CF? I heard a lot of raves about CFEclipse so I downloaded it and use at home. I normally use Dreamweaver at work. Apart from CFEclipse being free, I do not find any considerable edge or advantage over Dreamweaver. (Any CFEclipse developers, no offence please.) Any thoughts on this? May be I am not using it right but CFEclipse lacks mainly, IMHO, in graphical representation. In Dreamweaver, I can go back and fort on Design view and Code view and most of the HTML component creation is a snap. (May be CFEclipse is more geared for pure ColdFusion.) But in CFEclipse I need to type everything in. Well, may be I am not geek enough but just typing everything in for complex UI seem like really a chore to me. Thanks Regards, Phyo Pine -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230671 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
No kidding...I got kinda annoyed when they made the default not adding the closing tags and I had to go and change it so it did do it hehehehe Eric -Original Message- From: PINE Phyo Z [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 17:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Heh heh... You are right on about the tag closing feature. Now-a-days, after I typed an opening tag, I almost expect the closing tag to be appeared automatically.. -Original Message- From: John Wilker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 3:02 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver Just to clarify DW does integrate with source control. VSS, out of the box, others with some tweaking. I've used Seapine and VSS with DW That said. I like both. THere are some lazy programmer things DW offers (tag closing) that I really have gotten used to. Both are great in their own ways. On 1/27/06, Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CFE is definitely targeted at code-centric developers, while DW is essentially an HTML design tool that has had a lot code-centric stuff bolted on. Neither approach is better or worse, just suited to different people. The most important difference, however, has nothing to do with that. CFE is built upon Eclipse, which brings with it more tools that you could hope to learn about this year. You install Eclipse, and then you can start building the dev environment that you need, not the one that company X thought you needed. For example, DW doesn't integrate with version control, but Eclipse plugins exist for CVS, SVN, Perforce, VSS, and probably others. Want XML editing? There are choices there too: XmlBuddy, oXygen, MyEclipse's XML stuff, and others. That's the best reason I see to use CFE over DW. In all honesty, I still think CFE is lacking compared to DW in some areas (like snippet usability), but the external tools support make it WAY better overall. I might lose 10-15 minutes a day because of stuff DW would make easier, but I'll save an hour or more with all the other integrated tools I can use in it. cheers, barneyb On 1/27/06, PINE Phyo Z [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, What IDE do you normally use for CF? I heard a lot of raves about CFEclipse so I downloaded it and use at home. I normally use Dreamweaver at work. Apart from CFEclipse being free, I do not find any considerable edge or advantage over Dreamweaver. (Any CFEclipse developers, no offence please.) Any thoughts on this? May be I am not using it right but CFEclipse lacks mainly, IMHO, in graphical representation. In Dreamweaver, I can go back and fort on Design view and Code view and most of the HTML component creation is a snap. (May be CFEclipse is more geared for pure ColdFusion.) But in CFEclipse I need to type everything in. Well, may be I am not geek enough but just typing everything in for complex UI seem like really a chore to me. Thanks Regards, Phyo Pine -- Barney Boisvert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 360.319.6145 http://www.barneyb.com/ Got Gmail? I have 100 invites. ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230672 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver
That I would agree with. I had a hell of a time getting it to work in CFEclipse. DW8 is a major improvement over it's predecessors. They even added in one of my favorite features from CF Studio...custom buttons on the tab bar YAY!!! Eric -Original Message- From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 27 January 2006 19:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CFEclipse Vs Dreamweaver On 1/27/06, Peter Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find Dreamweaver to be a little buggy if/when the FTP connection runs slowly Which version of Dreamweaver? FTP support was overhauled for DW8 and now runs in the background so it doesn't even stop you working on files while FTP operations execute. I can't find a similar feature in CFEclipse. Is there an easy way to see an explorer view with a list of FTP servers so I can edit various remote files easily in CFEclipse? FTP support is pretty poor in Eclipse, in my opinion. -- Sean A Corfield -- http://corfield.org/ Got frameworks? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230673 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Steve, Thanks! As Barney said near the top of this thread: and then you can start building the dev environment that you need I really appreciate your sharing with me your config. Though only 15 minutes to install, I'm sure I would have spent alot more time than that deciding which plugins I needed. Best regards, g ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230677 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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Hi! im in a posting mood. I've been happy with WTP http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/ there are also these plugins which others might find useful actionscript editor http://sourceforge.net/projects/aseclipseplugin/ regex http://brosinski.com/regex/ RB editor http://www.resourcebundleeditor.com/ess/rbe/home.do atomi On 1/27/06, Greg Hamer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, Thanks! As Barney said near the top of this thread: and then you can start building the dev environment that you need I really appreciate your sharing with me your config. Though only 15 minutes to install, I'm sure I would have spent alot more time than that deciding which plugins I needed. Best regards, g ~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:230678 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
