Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193059 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_ java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193062 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
How about .aspx? -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_ java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193063 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
And the fact the asp uses Default.asp a lot of the time. -Original Message- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 February 2005 13:51 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use How about .aspx? -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_ java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193070 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
Recall that many asp sites use default.asp ... not index.asp, whereas CF's index.cfm is far more standard. -Mark -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_ java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193078 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
How about a google search just for the file extension? Results 1 - 10 of about 82,700,000 for inurl:.aspx. (0.08 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 129,000,000 for inurl:.cfm. (0.28 seconds) -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use Recall that many asp sites use default.asp ... not index.asp, whereas CF's index.cfm is far more standard. -Mark -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_ java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193082 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
I know this is a hard metric, and it leads from a Macromedia CF brand re-inforcement excercise I need to play with a client. Not that they are going to go .net is just that .Net gets more press as its the new kid on the block. Any ideas on metrics/re-inforcement apreciated. MD On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 08:57:16 -0600, Mark A Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recall that many asp sites use default.asp ... not index.asp, whereas CF's index.cfm is far more standard. -Mark -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_ java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193083 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
That means that there are bigger sites for CFM? how about fusebox? each site would be index.cfm and that is pretty much it? On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:18:59 -0500, Russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a google search just for the file extension? Results 1 - 10 of about 82,700,000 for inurl:.aspx. (0.08 seconds) Results 1 - 10 of about 129,000,000 for inurl:.cfm. (0.28 seconds) -Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use Recall that many asp sites use default.asp ... not index.asp, whereas CF's index.cfm is far more standard. -Mark -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_ java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193084 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
Where did you search to get those number? By default, IIS doesn't use index.asp as the default document, but uses default.asp (for legacy ASP) and default.aspx (for ASP.NET). What are the results for those? Vince -Original Message- From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_ java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193087 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
Searching 'fuseaction' in google turns up 12,700,000. A lot of pages from US Senate and House. The gov't clearly endorses Fusebox and CF. Hmmm, is this a good thing? ;) Mark That means that there are bigger sites for CFM? how about fusebox? each site would be index.cfm and that is pretty much it? ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193092 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
Just a dump of dumb numbers index.cfm - 19,200,000 default.cfm - 2,100,000 index.asp - 18,500,000 default.asp - 17,900,000 index.aspx - 3,670,000 default.aspx - 8,740,000 index.php - 29,100,000 default.php - 4,200,000 index.jsp - 10,900,000 default.jsp - 266,000 Ohh.. me scared.. aspx all over the place :) MD On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:37:36 -0500, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where did you search to get those number? By default, IIS doesn't use index.asp as the default document, but uses default.asp (for legacy ASP) and default.aspx (for ASP.NET). What are the results for those? Vince -Original Message- From: Bert Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use index.cfm: about 17,600,000 index.asp: about 16,600,000 Looks like an open and shut case. :) Cheers Bert ps and after a quick check (google on site:www.mysite.com) i reckon about 4% of those 17 million are mine! On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:59:48 +, Mark Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found this graph a while back, and I am looking to see if there are any other sites that show the graph of technology use that is more up to date? http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_ java_servlets.html I am trying to get some figures on overall usage of CF on websites. Anybody got something like that knocking round? -- Mark Drew coldfusion and cfeclipse blogged: http://cybersonic.blogspot.com/ fusebox plugin for cfeclipse: http://cfopen.org/projects/fusebox3cfe/ ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193093 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
whoops - looked like i removed the first line - it should have read:...
searching google i found:
index.cfm: about 17,600,000
index.asp: about 16,600,000
Cheers
Bert
On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 10:37:36 -0500, Vince Bonfanti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where did you search to get those number? {snip}
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Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
Surely this is abundantly obvious, ASP/.NET has a much larger saturation than CF, you don't need to google to know that...just open your eyes a little. -- Neil http://www.theservicefactory.com Get Firefox - http://www.getfirefox.com ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193103 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
-Original Message- From: Mark A Kruger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use Recall that many asp sites use default.asp ... not index.asp, whereas CF's index.cfm is far more standard. Although some of us use default.cfm (as at www.nefn.com) as well. Add to that the number of people that mask the extension entirely and the (large number, as Ben said) behind firewalls (and not just for CF) and in the end I don't think any of the numbers available via Google are very useful. I'm not sure how you would get comparative numbers... with CF it's tempting to go by sales (which assumes if somebody buys a product they'll use it) but that cuts out the very large number of shared hosting applications (one purchased license might support dozens of separate applications). It's also impossible to judge ASP via sales. So I'm not sure how to get real numbers... Jim Davis ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193104 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. Isn't that equally true for every other web application server technology? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193111 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
Dave, honestly, I don't think anyone really knows the answer to that one. But it is clear that some technologies tend to be used less in internal corporate development (PHP is a perfect example of this) meaning that proportionally there is more of them public facing and that skews any extrapolation of total use based on public facing use. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. Isn't that equally true for every other web application server technology? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193121 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
I'm gonna be a good boy and stay out of this one! :) Will ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193137 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
Good idea ;) Rey... - Original Message - From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use I'm gonna be a good boy and stay out of this one! :) Will ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193138 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
he he me 2! that damn glorified frontpage junk! hahaha From: Will Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 3:33 PM To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use I'm gonna be a good boy and stay out of this one! :) Will ~| Discover CFTicket - The leading ColdFusion Help Desk and Trouble Ticket application http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=48 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193141 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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I'd agree with that. The Apache web server is probably in the same category--used more in public hosting environments and less behind corporate firewalls, so surveys that only measure public web servers (such as Netcraft) tend to be skewed. Vince -Original Message- From: Ben Forta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use Dave, honestly, I don't think anyone really knows the answer to that one. But it is clear that some technologies tend to be used less in internal corporate development (PHP is a perfect example of this) meaning that proportionally there is more of them public facing and that skews any extrapolation of total use based on public facing use. --- Ben -Original Message- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use And keep in mind that over 80% of CF use is internal stuff, behind firewalls, stuff Google will never see. Isn't that equally true for every other web application server technology? Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Find out how CFTicket can increase your company's customer support efficiency by 100% http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=49 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193146 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: Coldfusion VS ASP.NET use
too me its like this, ms has a tendency to drop things everytime someone has something new (look no futher than asp or google type searches or anti-spyware, which is hilarious because their browser installs the spyware then u gotta pay them to buy their ani-spyware to get rid of it and make them look like saviors, same as aol) and their problem is they cant come up with really anything original on their own, they just wait for someone to do it then they try to dup it then run the original ppl under. coldfusion has been around and keeps growing and getting better and it has a solid history, its never just been dumped. maybe .net is todays flava but in a way im not sure what will happen down the line, maybe im just ignorant. but i see things really going down the compliancy highway and even .net code has to be pretty well tweaked to get there. which may seem like a small thing but u add the rising of alt browsers and the growing trends of validation, it really sets up 2 sides, those that follow (most everyone) and those that dont (ms) at some point i think ppl are just gunna flat get sick of the patching and hacking to get things to work right and ms is gunna fall outta favor with a lot of ppl. and i would imagine if their patching gets any worse more ppl will be switching to linux servers and well ms has messed that up too by trying to make .net only run on windows (imagine that) and not talking bout cfm.net(bd) cause im sure that pisses ms to off to hell and back!. so when i see their vp saying hes not worried about firefox and that whole movement, i have to wonder and its a much bigger deal than just the browsers. but anyways, with their history, i can see .net go up a bit more then fall. at some point they gotta put some money and effort in fixing there os systems instead of putting it towards (so called free) stuff like .net or they will be in big trouble and thats where .net is gunna tumble. not trying to diss ms, just my thoughts :) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193149 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
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You'll never see any of my stuff, we have a HUGE CF intranet, but no one will ever know about it except for me talking about it Adam H On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 16:42:03 -0500, dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: too me its like this, ms has a tendency to drop things everytime someone has something new (look no futher than asp or google type searches or anti-spyware, which is hilarious because their browser installs the spyware then u gotta pay them to buy their ani-spyware to get rid of it and make them look like saviors, same as aol) and their problem is they cant come up with really anything original on their own, they just wait for someone to do it then they try to dup it then run the original ppl under. coldfusion has been around and keeps growing and getting better and it has a solid history, its never just been dumped. maybe .net is todays flava but in a way im not sure what will happen down the line, maybe im just ignorant. but i see things really going down the compliancy highway and even .net code has to be pretty well tweaked to get there. which may seem like a small thing but u add the rising of alt browsers and the growing trends of validation, it really sets up 2 sides, those that follow (most everyone) and those that dont (ms) at some point i think ppl are just gunna flat get sick of the patching and hacking to get things to work right and ms is gunna fall outta favor with a lot of ppl. and i would imagine if their patching gets any worse more ppl will be switching to linux servers and well ms has messed that up too by trying to make .net only run on windows (imagine that) and not talking bout cfm.net(bd) cause im sure that pisses ms to off to hell and back!. so when i see their vp saying hes not worried about firefox and that whole movement, i have to wonder and its a much bigger deal than just the browsers. but anyways, with their history, i can see .net go up a bit more then fall. at some point they gotta put some money and effort in fixing there os systems instead of putting it towards (so called free) stuff like .net or they will be in big trouble and thats where .net is gunna tumble. not trying to diss ms, just my thoughts :) ~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:193155 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
Just a comment: Personally, I wouldn't spend any of my professional time learning C#. I predict it will be just a few short years before Microsoft once again orphans it's own product and throws away C# for some other buzzword that has strategic and marketing value at the time. At 04:45 PM 12/12/00 -0500, Dave Watts wrote: I must confess that my original concern seems to be so adequately captured by Dave Watts' insight into how Microsoft operates. Yes the market for web application servers is competitive, and for someone (like myself) who keeps falling back on CF as a prefered development platform, reading Richard Anderson et al. 's A Preview of Active Server Pages+ (Wrox) left me a little concerned about whether or not CF developers will be left behind when ASP.NET becomes a reality. That's why I was wondering if anyone knew what future versions of CF had to offer in the face of ASP.NET's code/content separation, easier extensibility, and its integration with .NET web services. I haven't read that book, and I'm not fully familiar with the proposed feature set for ASP+ or its replacement ASP.NET, so I don't know how well I can answer this. However, I can tell you I've had this argument before. It was a couple of years ago, when ASP became available in beta. ASP was going to take over the world because it provided easy extensibility through COM, easy integration with other MS products (again through COM), and an easy way to separate presentation logic from business logic (yet again through COM - building components for business logic and gluing those components together with ASP). I remember hearing from the time how CF would soon be obsolete. At the time (the CF 2-3 product cycle, if I recall correctly), I was a bit worried, but not that much, and I stuck with CF, because it let me do my work more quickly. Now, of course, ASP is out, and it's been very successful. CF is still out and quite successful itself, though, demonstrating that even in the Windows world, there's room for more than one web application server platform. As for ASP.NET versus CF 5, I suspect that things will work out similarly to how they did with ASP 1-3 versus CF 2-4. ASP will be the platform of choice for Windows programmers who would otherwise do VB/C++/C# and COM programming (which is what you need to make use of that "easier extensibility"), and CF will be the platform of choice for web developers who want to minimize development and maintenance time without wedding themselves at the hip to the MS technology du jour. By the way, that remark about "vaporware" understates the extent of ASP.NET availability. A few web hosts are already offering hosting with that option installed, some of them for free. That's true. I just got Visual Studio.NET Beta 1 today from MSDN. Of course, any code that I wrote with it, I wouldn't be able to deploy for a client. From that perspective - the one that counts, in my opinion - .NET is not yet a real product. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
I think just about everyone hates Dallas now, but I'm partial living in the D.C. area. It's a pretty nice area, I think. By the way, your clustering lesson at the DC CFUG last week was excellent. Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it! Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
I must confess that my original concern seems to be so adequately captured by Dave Watts' insight into how Microsoft operates. Yes the market for web application servers is competitive, and for someone (like myself) who keeps falling back on CF as a prefered development platform, reading Richard Anderson et al. 's A Preview of Active Server Pages+ (Wrox) left me a little concerned about whether or not CF developers will be left behind when ASP.NET becomes a reality. That's why I was wondering if anyone knew what future versions of CF had to offer in the face of ASP.NET's code/content separation, easier extensibility, and its integration with .NET web services. I haven't read that book, and I'm not fully familiar with the proposed feature set for ASP+ or its replacement ASP.NET, so I don't know how well I can answer this. However, I can tell you I've had this argument before. It was a couple of years ago, when ASP became available in beta. ASP was going to take over the world because it provided easy extensibility through COM, easy integration with other MS products (again through COM), and an easy way to separate presentation logic from business logic (yet again through COM - building components for business logic and gluing those components together with ASP). I remember hearing from the time how CF would soon be obsolete. At the time (the CF 2-3 product cycle, if I recall correctly), I was a bit worried, but not that much, and I stuck with CF, because it let me do my work more quickly. Now, of course, ASP is out, and it's been very successful. CF is still out and quite successful itself, though, demonstrating that even in the Windows world, there's room for more than one web application server platform. As for ASP.NET versus CF 5, I suspect that things will work out similarly to how they did with ASP 1-3 versus CF 2-4. ASP will be the platform of choice for Windows programmers who would otherwise do VB/C++/C# and COM programming (which is what you need to make use of that "easier extensibility"), and CF will be the platform of choice for web developers who want to minimize development and maintenance time without wedding themselves at the hip to the MS technology du jour. By the way, that remark about "vaporware" understates the extent of ASP.NET availability. A few web hosts are already offering hosting with that option installed, some of them for free. That's true. I just got Visual Studio.NET Beta 1 today from MSDN. Of course, any code that I wrote with it, I wouldn't be able to deploy for a client. From that perspective - the one that counts, in my opinion - .NET is not yet a real product. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
Why is it.. Everyone insists on considering ASP.NET etc vapor ware...? You can download pretty functional beta's of the software. To me that makes it a little more than "vaporware". Just my opinon but the beta's are rather useable and you can get ahold of them now. http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/ Follow this link, go to .NET Downloads... "This first beta of the Microsoft. .NET Framework includes everything you need to write, build, and test .NET applications: ASP.NET, the Common Language Runtime, documentation, samples, tools, and command line compilers." ASP.NET was formerly known as ASP+ Jeremy Allen ElliptIQ Inc. -Original Message- From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET It's hard to compare an existing product with one that doesn't exist yet. I suspect that .NET won't be all that different from how MS guys use ASP and COM now, anyway. In any case, by the time that .NET is a real product, CF 5 will probably be a real product too. I have a fantastic piece of Vapour-Ware, it'll out-perform anything on the market... honest it will, and it'll never crash the server... Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
Why is it.. Everyone insists on considering ASP.NET etc vapor ware...? You can download pretty functional beta's of the software. Based on my previous experience with Microsoft betas, there are likely to be very significant changes between now and the final release. In any case, I think that the interesting part of the .NET platform isn't really the ASP portion, which probably won't be all that different from using ASP and MTS/COM+ is now. The big thing of interest, to me, is the common-language runtime. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
ASP.net is a very real product, not vapour ware. I've played with it,
written some code in it, and I'm very impressed. It's fast, the code
can look a lot cleaner (more of a jsp-like tag syntax as opposed to ASP
spaghetti), and lotso other stuff. With my CF background, I was writing
code within 10 minutes. It has a ton of features, far more than should
be discussed in a ColdFusion mailing list. Also, at this stage of the
game, CF 5, Neo, Harvest, and all those other goodies from the
conference are "vapour" ware in the sense that noone has seen an actual
product. So let's remember the distinction between "vaporware" and
"under development" (I would think as developers that shouldn't be a
problem.)
However, I would like to chime in with a personal opinion. I don't
consider myself a ColdFusion programmer; I am a "web" programmer. As
such, I use whatever tools get the job done best. I subscribe to
several lists, dedicated to each language technology. I recognize that
each list has a particular focus, and discussing Perl in a ColdFusion
list, or ColdFusion in a SQL Server list, is not kosher. However, I
find myself mildly annoyed when I see, oh, that's not "X", so it must be
bad ("X" represents the mailing list's topic). Not to mention the fact
that if the technology belongs to any companies out of Redmond, the
negativity seems to double. (Note to self to avoid hypocrisy: always
discuss products/technology based on facts and specifications; leave
emotions and opinions out of it ;)
--
Billy Cravens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jeremy Allen wrote:
Why is it..
Everyone insists on considering ASP.NET etc vapor ware...?
You can download pretty functional beta's of the software.
To me that makes it a little more than "vaporware". Just
my opinon but the beta's are rather useable and you can get
ahold of them now.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/
Follow this link, go to .NET Downloads...
"This first beta of the Microsoft. .NET Framework includes everything
you need to write, build, and test .NET applications: ASP.NET,
the Common Language Runtime, documentation, samples, tools,
and command line compilers."
ASP.NET was formerly known as ASP+
Jeremy Allen
ElliptIQ Inc.
-Original Message-
From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 9:59 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
It's hard to compare an existing product with one that doesn't
exist yet. I suspect that .NET won't be all that different from
how MS guys use ASP and COM now, anyway.
In any case, by the time that .NET is a real product, CF 5 will
probably be a real product too.
I have a fantastic piece of Vapour-Ware, it'll out-perform anything on the
market... honest it will, and it'll never crash the server...
Philip Arnold
Director
Certified ColdFusion Developer
ASP Multimedia Limited
T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133
"Websites for the real world"
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Re: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
GeeI wonder why? At 10:44 AM 12/11/00 -0600, you wrote: Not to mention the fact that if the technology belongs to any companies out of Redmond, the negativity seems to double. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
Everyone insists on considering ASP.NET etc vapor ware...? You can download pretty functional beta's of the software. To me that makes it a little more than "vaporware". Just my opinon but the beta's are rather useable and you can get ahold of them now. I wasn't INSISTING that ASP.NET was Vaporware, I was just implying that since it's in no way a finished product, and I've been on M$ Beta programmes on products that have never been launched, then it could never be put on the market (although M$ now seems to chuck out anything saying it's a finished product) Also, at this stage of the game, CF 5, Neo, Harvest, and all those other goodies from the conference are "vapour" ware in the sense that noone has seen an actual product. So let's remember the distinction between "vaporware" and "under development" (I would think as developers that shouldn't be a problem.) True, but since the Beta for CF5 will be open in the new year, we can test it within a month Also, since Harvest is a theory and not software, you'll NEVER see a product Philip Arnold Director Certified ColdFusion Developer ASP Multimedia Limited T: +44 (0)20 8680 1133 "Websites for the real world" ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ** ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
hehe.. I think it's funny slamming on Microsoft products in here. If everyone who ran ColdFusion on NT left the list, how many would be left. It just occurred to me that MS is the Dallas Cowboys of the software industry.. you either love em or hate em .. no in-between. For an interesting read on Microsoft: http://www.cnbc.com/news/001208plotkin.html -- Billy Cravens [EMAIL PROTECTED] paul smith wrote: GeeI wonder why? At 10:44 AM 12/11/00 -0600, you wrote: Not to mention the fact that if the technology belongs to any companies out of Redmond, the negativity seems to double. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
hehe.. I think it's funny slamming on Microsoft products in here. If everyone who ran ColdFusion on NT left the list, how many would be left. It just occurred to me that MS is the Dallas Cowboys of the software industry.. you either love em or hate em .. no in-between. I generally like most MS products, but the original question was how CF compares to ASP.NET. The fact that this kind of question can be knocked around so casually - about products that don't exist yet - demonstrates how Microsoft often operates. They come up with new acronyms faster than they can get rid of the merchandise that uses the old acronyms. Anyone remember Microsoft DNA? How about COM+, Storage+, Forms+? Then, they push the new acronym as if it, by itself, has some meaning and use. Eventually, they get a product out that usually fulfills some, but not all, of the promised feature set for the new acronym. To feel like I understand a product initiative, I like to be able to summarize it in a single sentence. I haven't seen that summary for .NET yet, even though the product is in beta. The best explanation I've seen is the Dr. Gui column on MSDN, but even that is pretty buzzword-thick. When NT 3.1 came out, it was not very good, but Microsoft was still able to take the OS/2 market with promises about the future. Those promises didn't come close to reality until NT 3.51. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
Hey Dave: I think just about everyone hates Dallas now, but I'm partial living in the D.C. area. By the way, your clustering lesson at the DC CFUG last week was excellent. Greg - Original Message - From: "Dave Watts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 3:07 PM Subject: RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET hehe.. I think it's funny slamming on Microsoft products in here. If everyone who ran ColdFusion on NT left the list, how many would be left. It just occurred to me that MS is the Dallas Cowboys of the software industry.. you either love em or hate em .. no in-between. I generally like most MS products, but the original question was how CF compares to ASP.NET. The fact that this kind of question can be knocked around so casually - about products that don't exist yet - demonstrates how Microsoft often operates. They come up with new acronyms faster than they can get rid of the merchandise that uses the old acronyms. Anyone remember Microsoft DNA? How about COM+, Storage+, Forms+? Then, they push the new acronym as if it, by itself, has some meaning and use. Eventually, they get a product out that usually fulfills some, but not all, of the promised feature set for the new acronym. To feel like I understand a product initiative, I like to be able to summarize it in a single sentence. I haven't seen that summary for .NET yet, even though the product is in beta. The best explanation I've seen is the Dr. Gui column on MSDN, but even that is pretty buzzword-thick. When NT 3.1 came out, it was not very good, but Microsoft was still able to take the OS/2 market with promises about the future. Those promises didn't come close to reality until NT 3.51. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
I must confess that my original concern seems to be so adequately captured by Dave Watt's insight into how Microsoft operates. Yes the market for web application servers is competitive, and for someone (like myself) who keeps falling back on CF as a prefered development platform, reading Richard Anderson et al. 's A Preview of Active Server Pages+ (Wrox) left me a little concerned about whether or not CF developers will be left behind when ASP.NET becomes a reality. That's why I was wondering if anyone knew what future versions of CF had to offer in the face of ASP.NET's code/content separation, easier extensibility, and its integration with .NET web services. By the way, that remark about "vaporware" understates the extent of ASP.NET availability. A few web hosts are already offering hosting with that option installed, some of them for free. Leong - Original Message - From: "Dave Watts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:37 AM Subject: RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET : hehe.. I think it's funny slamming on Microsoft products in : here. If everyone who ran ColdFusion on NT left the list, how : many would be left. : : It just occurred to me that MS is the Dallas Cowboys of the : software industry.. you either love em or hate em .. no : in-between. : : I generally like most MS products, but the original question was how CF : compares to ASP.NET. The fact that this kind of question can be knocked : around so casually - about products that don't exist yet - demonstrates how : Microsoft often operates. They come up with new acronyms faster than they : can get rid of the merchandise that uses the old acronyms. Anyone remember : Microsoft DNA? How about COM+, Storage+, Forms+? Then, they push the new : acronym as if it, by itself, has some meaning and use. Eventually, they get : a product out that usually fulfills some, but not all, of the promised : feature set for the new acronym. : : To feel like I understand a product initiative, I like to be able to : summarize it in a single sentence. I haven't seen that summary for .NET yet, : even though the product is in beta. The best explanation I've seen is the : Dr. Gui column on MSDN, but even that is pretty buzzword-thick. : : When NT 3.1 came out, it was not very good, but Microsoft was still able to : take the OS/2 market with promises about the future. Those promises didn't : come close to reality until NT 3.51. : : Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software : http://www.figleaf.com/ : voice: (202) 797-5496 : fax: (202) 797-5444 : : ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
That's why I was wondering if anyone knew what future versions of CF had to offer in the face of ASP.NET's code/content separation, easier extensibility, and its integration with .NET web services. java - Original Message - From: "Leong Yew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 7:37 PM Subject: Re: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET I must confess that my original concern seems to be so adequately captured by Dave Watt's insight into how Microsoft operates. Yes the market for web application servers is competitive, and for someone (like myself) who keeps falling back on CF as a prefered development platform, reading Richard Anderson et al. 's A Preview of Active Server Pages+ (Wrox) left me a little concerned about whether or not CF developers will be left behind when ASP.NET becomes a reality. That's why I was wondering if anyone knew what future versions of CF had to offer in the face of ASP.NET's code/content separation, easier extensibility, and its integration with .NET web services. By the way, that remark about "vaporware" understates the extent of ASP.NET availability. A few web hosts are already offering hosting with that option installed, some of them for free. Leong - Original Message - From: "Dave Watts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:37 AM Subject: RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET : hehe.. I think it's funny slamming on Microsoft products in : here. If everyone who ran ColdFusion on NT left the list, how : many would be left. : : It just occurred to me that MS is the Dallas Cowboys of the : software industry.. you either love em or hate em .. no : in-between. : : I generally like most MS products, but the original question was how CF : compares to ASP.NET. The fact that this kind of question can be knocked : around so casually - about products that don't exist yet - demonstrates how : Microsoft often operates. They come up with new acronyms faster than they : can get rid of the merchandise that uses the old acronyms. Anyone remember : Microsoft DNA? How about COM+, Storage+, Forms+? Then, they push the new : acronym as if it, by itself, has some meaning and use. Eventually, they get : a product out that usually fulfills some, but not all, of the promised : feature set for the new acronym. : : To feel like I understand a product initiative, I like to be able to : summarize it in a single sentence. I haven't seen that summary for .NET yet, : even though the product is in beta. The best explanation I've seen is the : Dr. Gui column on MSDN, but even that is pretty buzzword-thick. : : When NT 3.1 came out, it was not very good, but Microsoft was still able to : take the OS/2 market with promises about the future. Those promises didn't : come close to reality until NT 3.51. : : Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software : http://www.figleaf.com/ : voice: (202) 797-5496 : fax: (202) 797-5444 : : ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: ColdFusion vs. ASP.NET
The recent thread of discussion on CF vs PHP/ASP is pretty old hat by now. I thought I might throw in something that hasn't been mentioned yet. Does anyone have any opinion how CF 4.5 will compete with ASP.NET (previously called ASP+) when MS releases it next year? Will CF's next major version be comparable and will it be capable of integrating with MS's .NET services? It's hard to compare an existing product with one that doesn't exist yet. I suspect that .NET won't be all that different from how MS guys use ASP and COM now, anyway. In any case, by the time that .NET is a real product, CF 5 will probably be a real product too. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
