Re: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN
That was a great post, Steve. I'm not even in that sort of position right, now and I found it very helpful. :o) Cheers, Chris Andy Matthews wrote: > Great input Steve. > > I suspected as much, thank you. > > andy matthews > web developer > certified advanced coldfusion programmer > ICGLink, Inc. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 615.370.1530 x737 > --//-> > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:32 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN > > > My first mother-in-law was a top-notch, nationally recognized > professional coach and she taught me a few things about interviews and > jobs that have served my very well over the years. > > 1. Companies can always afford to pay you more than they offer you. > 2. Always counter-offer their proposed salary. It's expected, even if > they say no. > 3. If they give you the first opportunity to say what salary you are > expecting, they are unwittingly giving you a position of strength. Take > the number you would expect to get for this position and add $15,000 > dollars. It's a fantastic place to start negotiations from. > > Now, these are very hard steps to take. These are skills that we are > not born with and we've been indoctrinated during our entire lives to > not negotiate when it comes to salaries as it might come across as > greedy. Your first attempt at negoating will be very uncomfortable. > Try practicing it with a family member or a friend, just to get > comfortable with the conversation. > > The company wants to offer you as little as possible for your skills, > and you should be asking for the most amount possible for your skills. > More often than not, a compromise that makes both parties happy occurs. > > Good luck! > > > Steve Brownlee > http://www.fusioncube.net/ > > > -Original Message- > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:17 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN > > Hey everyone... > > I've been offered a position with a company here in Nashville, TN. > Everything that I've seen so far about the offer sounds great, including > the pay. I just wanted to ask a a few general questions because I don't > like talking about money. > > 1) Should I take the first offer they make? Should I counteroffer for > the sake of counteroffering? > > 2) Where can I go to find real-world salaries? I checked Salary.com but > their listings for my area seem really high. > > Thanks in advance everyone. > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264149 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN
Great input Steve. I suspected as much, thank you. -Original Message- From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 10:32 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN My first mother-in-law was a top-notch, nationally recognized professional coach and she taught me a few things about interviews and jobs that have served my very well over the years. 1. Companies can always afford to pay you more than they offer you. 2. Always counter-offer their proposed salary. It's expected, even if they say no. 3. If they give you the first opportunity to say what salary you are expecting, they are unwittingly giving you a position of strength. Take the number you would expect to get for this position and add $15,000 dollars. It's a fantastic place to start negotiations from. Now, these are very hard steps to take. These are skills that we are not born with and we've been indoctrinated during our entire lives to not negotiate when it comes to salaries as it might come across as greedy. Your first attempt at negoating will be very uncomfortable. Try practicing it with a family member or a friend, just to get comfortable with the conversation. The company wants to offer you as little as possible for your skills, and you should be asking for the most amount possible for your skills. More often than not, a compromise that makes both parties happy occurs. Good luck! Steve Brownlee http://www.fusioncube.net/ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN Hey everyone... I've been offered a position with a company here in Nashville, TN. Everything that I've seen so far about the offer sounds great, including the pay. I just wanted to ask a a few general questions because I don't like talking about money. 1) Should I take the first offer they make? Should I counteroffer for the sake of counteroffering? 2) Where can I go to find real-world salaries? I checked Salary.com but their listings for my area seem really high. Thanks in advance everyone. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264147 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN
I have always been offered salaries greater than I was expecting plus all the extras and bonuses from the outset, so never really had to negotiate much. It all very much depends on what sort of impression you make on an employer. If they think you're the best thing since sliced bread, then they will do whatever they can to get you working for them. If your not very self confident then your probably gonna have to start at the bottom and fight your way up. Russ -Original Message- From: Steve Brownlee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2006 16:32 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN My first mother-in-law was a top-notch, nationally recognized professional coach and she taught me a few things about interviews and jobs that have served my very well over the years. 1. Companies can always afford to pay you more than they offer you. 2. Always counter-offer their proposed salary. It's expected, even if they say no. 3. If they give you the first opportunity to say what salary you are expecting, they are unwittingly giving you a position of strength. Take the number you would expect to get for this position and add $15,000 dollars. It's a fantastic place to start negotiations from. Now, these are very hard steps to take. These are skills that we are not born with and we've been indoctrinated during our entire lives to not negotiate when it comes to salaries as it might come across as greedy. Your first attempt at negoating will be very uncomfortable. Try practicing it with a family member or a friend, just to get comfortable with the conversation. The company wants to offer you as little as possible for your skills, and you should be asking for the most amount possible for your skills. More often than not, a compromise that makes both parties happy occurs. Good luck! Steve Brownlee http://www.fusioncube.net/ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN Hey everyone... I've been offered a position with a company here in Nashville, TN. Everything that I've seen so far about the offer sounds great, including the pay. I just wanted to ask a a few general questions because I don't like talking about money. 1) Should I take the first offer they make? Should I counteroffer for the sake of counteroffering? 2) Where can I go to find real-world salaries? I checked Salary.com but their listings for my area seem really high. Thanks in advance everyone. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264145 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN
My first mother-in-law was a top-notch, nationally recognized professional coach and she taught me a few things about interviews and jobs that have served my very well over the years. 1. Companies can always afford to pay you more than they offer you. 2. Always counter-offer their proposed salary. It's expected, even if they say no. 3. If they give you the first opportunity to say what salary you are expecting, they are unwittingly giving you a position of strength. Take the number you would expect to get for this position and add $15,000 dollars. It's a fantastic place to start negotiations from. Now, these are very hard steps to take. These are skills that we are not born with and we've been indoctrinated during our entire lives to not negotiate when it comes to salaries as it might come across as greedy. Your first attempt at negoating will be very uncomfortable. Try practicing it with a family member or a friend, just to get comfortable with the conversation. The company wants to offer you as little as possible for your skills, and you should be asking for the most amount possible for your skills. More often than not, a compromise that makes both parties happy occurs. Good luck! Steve Brownlee http://www.fusioncube.net/ -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN Hey everyone... I've been offered a position with a company here in Nashville, TN. Everything that I've seen so far about the offer sounds great, including the pay. I just wanted to ask a a few general questions because I don't like talking about money. 1) Should I take the first offer they make? Should I counteroffer for the sake of counteroffering? 2) Where can I go to find real-world salaries? I checked Salary.com but their listings for my area seem really high. Thanks in advance everyone. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264140 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN
There are companies that help you negotiate. Such as http://www.getfizgig.com/ Disclaimer: I did some work on their site (a while ago). I haven't used their service though, and I get nothing out of anyone visiting the site or using the service. Joshua Cyr -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 7:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN Hey everyone... I've been offered a position with a company here in Nashville, TN. Everything that I've seen so far about the offer sounds great, including the pay. I just wanted to ask a a few general questions because I don't like talking about money. 1) Should I take the first offer they make? Should I counteroffer for the sake of counteroffering? 2) Where can I go to find real-world salaries? I checked Salary.com but their listings for my area seem really high. Thanks in advance everyone. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264105 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN
There is a new salary search tool at http://www.indeed.com/salary. http://www.indeed.com/ also has some new job search tools that pulls from all the major job sites. > Hey everyone... > > I've been offered a position with a company here in Nashville, TN. > Everything that I've seen so far about the offer sounds great, > including the pay. I just wanted to ask a a few general questions > because I don't like talking about money. > > 1) Should I take the first offer they make? Should I counteroffer for > the sake of counteroffering? > > 2) Where can I go to find real-world salaries? I checked Salary.com > but their listings for my area seem really high. > > Thanks in advance everyone. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264104 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN
We also got the: Unofficial ColdFusion Developer Salary Survey http://www.keystonesymposia.org/cfs/results.cfm On 12/14/06, Eric Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think Monster.com has a salary calculator...or at least they used to. > > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 18:17 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN > > Hey everyone... > > I've been offered a position with a company here in Nashville, TN. > Everything that I've seen so far about the offer sounds great, including > the > pay. I just wanted to ask a a few general questions because I don't like > talking about money. > > 1) Should I take the first offer they make? Should I counteroffer for the > sake of counteroffering? > > 2) Where can I go to find real-world salaries? I checked Salary.com but > their listings for my area seem really high. > > Thanks in advance everyone. > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264103 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN
I think Monster.com has a salary calculator...or at least they used to. Eric -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 14 December 2006 18:17 To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN Hey everyone... I've been offered a position with a company here in Nashville, TN. Everything that I've seen so far about the offer sounds great, including the pay. I just wanted to ask a a few general questions because I don't like talking about money. 1) Should I take the first offer they make? Should I counteroffer for the sake of counteroffering? 2) Where can I go to find real-world salaries? I checked Salary.com but their listings for my area seem really high. Thanks in advance everyone. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264096 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN
Depends on the salary and your skill set. I would ask for at lease $5,000 more unless you believe this offer already to be over the top. You might need to loose out on the 90 raise but the extra money up front will make up for it, and next year you will still get another raise. Other things to consider would be how long the job was on market before you came along. If they went though a multitude of interviews before offering you the position I'd take that as an opportunity to ask for more money. I would also doubt they would just up and say sorry, we are going with applicant B because he/she didn't ask for more money. Casey On 12/14/06, Snake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If your happy with what they are offering, why rock the boat. > > -Original Message- > From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 15 December 2006 00:17 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN > > Hey everyone... > > I've been offered a position with a company here in Nashville, TN. > Everything that I've seen so far about the offer sounds great, including > the > pay. I just wanted to ask a a few general questions because I don't like > talking about money. > > 1) Should I take the first offer they make? Should I counteroffer for the > sake of counteroffering? > > 2) Where can I go to find real-world salaries? I checked Salary.com but > their listings for my area seem really high. > > Thanks in advance everyone. > > > > ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264094 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN
If your happy with what they are offering, why rock the boat. -Original Message- From: Andy Matthews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2006 00:17 To: CF-Talk Subject: Coldfusion salaries - Nashville, TN Hey everyone... I've been offered a position with a company here in Nashville, TN. Everything that I've seen so far about the offer sounds great, including the pay. I just wanted to ask a a few general questions because I don't like talking about money. 1) Should I take the first offer they make? Should I counteroffer for the sake of counteroffering? 2) Where can I go to find real-world salaries? I checked Salary.com but their listings for my area seem really high. Thanks in advance everyone. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade & integrate Adobe Coldfusion MX7 with Flex 2 http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;56760587;14748456;a?http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=LVNU Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:264093 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
