Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-20 Thread Charles Sheehan-Miles
Thanks will give it a try.  And yes, we do have a dedicated smtp server.

Charles

On 4/20/06 4:05 AM, "Russ Michaels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> if you generate the content files and save them as static files, you can
> just cfinclude them into your cfmail then you won't need to evaluate them.
> 
> BTW, if your sending out that much mail, I hope you have a dedicated SMTP
> server and are not using the SMTP on IIS.
> 
> Russ
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Sheehan-Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk 
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:19:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?
> 
>> I'm going to have to do some serious thinking about this.  Performance


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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-20 Thread Aaron Rouse
I think that bites more people than not in regards to optimization.

On 4/20/06, Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> There are many other places to look for optimization, the first being
> queries and correct indexes in the database.
>
>


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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-20 Thread Claude Schneegans
 >>Performance on
the mailer is a lot slower than I'd like, and I suspect its because I'm
using evaluate.

Here is a test I made on my develop system (3000 MHz):






Time = #numberFormat(GetTickCount()-start, "999")#





Time = #numberFormat(GetTickCount()-start, "999")#

The results are (in avarage):
Time = 530 msec
Time = 200 msec

This show that
1. evaluate takes more than twice the double than struct notation;
2. the difference is about 1/3 sec for 10 iteration, then, unless 
you really use
evaluate in some million iterations loop, the difference is not really 
significant.

There are many other places to look for optimization, the first being 
queries and correct indexes in the database.


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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-20 Thread Russ Michaels
if you generate the content files and save them as static files, you can
just cfinclude them into your cfmail then you won't need to evaluate them.

BTW, if your sending out that much mail, I hope you have a dedicated SMTP
server and are not using the SMTP on IIS.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Charles Sheehan-Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk 
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:19:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?

> I'm going to have to do some serious thinking about this.  Performance
> on
> the mailer is a lot slower than I'd like, and I suspect its because I'm
> using evaluate.  Here's what happens:
> 
> 1) Customer saves their message content, which might look something
> like:
> 
> Dear #firstname# #lastname#:
> 
> Blah blah blah
> 
> 2) When they approve the message for sending, I queue the messages as:
> 
> MessageID (referencing the previous message)
> MemberID (referencing the member tables which contain all the
> information)
> 
> It then cfloops through each memberid, using evaluate to put in the
> correct
> member information, and generates personalized emails.
> 
> I'm not the strongest programmer in the world, so this took some time
> to
> work out.  Biggest issue is I'm shortly taking on a much larger
> customer
> than I've dealt with before, so mailing sizes will increase from 20-30k
> per
> mailing to upwards of 200-300k messages.
> 
> Problem is, I have no way of knowing what the message content will be
> before
> its sent, nor which variables the customer will choose to use in a
> particular mailing (they have about 45 fields to choose from). Hmm.
> 
> 
> On 4/19/06 4:20 AM, "Russ Michaels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > the variable must exist or you cannot evaluate it.
> > In my example I specified saving the content to a file and
> cfincluding it,
> > which is not what you have done below.
> > 
> > This works fine for what you want below.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > #foo#
> > 
> > Here is an example of evaluating an external file.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > content from file:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > #evaluate(de(contentfile))#
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Russ (snake) Michaels
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Bruce, Rodney S C-E LCMC HQISEC/Signal Solutions"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: CF-Talk 
> > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:30:08 -0700
> > Subject: RE: Evaluate vs ?
> > 
> >> Ok, guess I am missing something here:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> If #variable# is not set CF errors, If #variable# is set puts value
> >> into
> >> foo.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> #foo#---foo would output to be   "fee fi fo fum #variable#
> this
> >> is
> >> dynamic content"  is what was wanted??
> >>  -not necessarily outputted, but to still contains
> the
> >> #variable# unresolved?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> This will set that up:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> But even using evaluate, this errors with (Invalid CFML construct
> >> found):
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> #evaluate(foo)#
> >> 
> >> 
> >> And just to test, this errors if #variable# is not set
> >>  >> content")>
> >> 
> >> Can you show were this would work and be used, with evaluate?
> >> Have me curious now.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:24 PM
> >> To: CF-Talk
> >> Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> This does the same thing as his:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> My guess is he was saying for the value of "variable" to not be put
> >> into foo
> >> until the time that it was outputed instead of when set.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-19 Thread Charles Sheehan-Miles
I'm going to have to do some serious thinking about this.  Performance on
the mailer is a lot slower than I'd like, and I suspect its because I'm
using evaluate.  Here's what happens:

1) Customer saves their message content, which might look something like:

Dear #firstname# #lastname#:

Blah blah blah

2) When they approve the message for sending, I queue the messages as:

MessageID (referencing the previous message)
MemberID (referencing the member tables which contain all the information)

It then cfloops through each memberid, using evaluate to put in the correct
member information, and generates personalized emails.

I'm not the strongest programmer in the world, so this took some time to
work out.  Biggest issue is I'm shortly taking on a much larger customer
than I've dealt with before, so mailing sizes will increase from 20-30k per
mailing to upwards of 200-300k messages.

Problem is, I have no way of knowing what the message content will be before
its sent, nor which variables the customer will choose to use in a
particular mailing (they have about 45 fields to choose from). Hmm.


On 4/19/06 4:20 AM, "Russ Michaels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> the variable must exist or you cannot evaluate it.
> In my example I specified saving the content to a file and cfincluding it,
> which is not what you have done below.
> 
> This works fine for what you want below.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> #foo#
> 
> Here is an example of evaluating an external file.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> content from file:
> 
> 
> 
> #evaluate(de(contentfile))#
> 
> 
> --
> Russ (snake) Michaels
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Bruce, Rodney S C-E LCMC HQISEC/Signal Solutions"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: CF-Talk 
> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:30:08 -0700
> Subject: RE: Evaluate vs ?
> 
>> Ok, guess I am missing something here:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> If #variable# is not set CF errors, If #variable# is set puts value
>> into
>> foo.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> #foo#---foo would output to be   "fee fi fo fum #variable# this
>> is
>> dynamic content"  is what was wanted??
>>  -not necessarily outputted, but to still contains the
>> #variable# unresolved?
>> 
>> 
>> This will set that up:
>> 
>> 
>> But even using evaluate, this errors with (Invalid CFML construct
>> found):
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> #evaluate(foo)#
>> 
>> 
>> And just to test, this errors if #variable# is not set
>> > content")>
>> 
>> Can you show were this would work and be used, with evaluate?
>> Have me curious now.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:24 PM
>> To: CF-Talk
>> Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?
>> 
>> 
>> This does the same thing as his:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My guess is he was saying for the value of "variable" to not be put
>> into foo
>> until the time that it was outputed instead of when set.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-19 Thread Russ Michaels
the variable must exist or you cannot evaluate it.
In my example I specified saving the content to a file and cfincluding it,
which is not what you have done below.

This works fine for what you want below.





#foo#

Here is an example of evaluating an external file.





content from file:



#evaluate(de(contentfile))#


--
Russ (snake) Michaels



-Original Message-
From: "Bruce, Rodney S C-E LCMC HQISEC/Signal Solutions"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk 
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:30:08 -0700
Subject: RE: Evaluate vs ?

> Ok, guess I am missing something here:
> 
> 
> 
> If #variable# is not set CF errors, If #variable# is set puts value
> into
> foo.
> 
> 
> 
> #foo#---foo would output to be   "fee fi fo fum #variable# this
> is
> dynamic content"  is what was wanted??
>  -not necessarily outputted, but to still contains the
> #variable# unresolved?
> 
> 
> This will set that up:
> 
> 
> But even using evaluate, this errors with (Invalid CFML construct
> found):
> 
> 
> 
> 
> #evaluate(foo)#
> 
> 
> And just to test, this errors if #variable# is not set
>  content")>
> 
> Can you show were this would work and be used, with evaluate?
> Have me curious now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:24 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?
> 
> 
> This does the same thing as his:
> 
> 
> 
> My guess is he was saying for the value of "variable" to not be put
> into foo
> until the time that it was outputed instead of when set.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Dave Watts
> Is there a time when evaluate should be used?

Nick's answer is pretty much on target. It used to be the case that you
needed to do this, because in some cases you had no way to reference
variable names when you didn't know them until runtime. As CF's scopes
became exposed as structures, the need to do this has diminished
significantly.

That said, there presumably may be a time when you want to take an arbitrary
string and treat it as an expression, and Evaluate will be there for you.

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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Bruce, Rodney S C-E LCMC HQISEC/Signal Solutions
Ok, guess I am missing something here:



If #variable# is not set CF errors, If #variable# is set puts value into
foo.



#foo#---foo would output to be   "fee fi fo fum #variable# this is
dynamic content"  is what was wanted??
 -not necessarily outputted, but to still contains the
#variable# unresolved?


This will set that up:


But even using evaluate, this errors with (Invalid CFML construct found):




#evaluate(foo)#


And just to test, this errors if #variable# is not set


Can you show were this would work and be used, with evaluate?
Have me curious now.




-Original Message-
From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?


This does the same thing as his:



My guess is he was saying for the value of "variable" to not be put into foo
until the time that it was outputed instead of when set.



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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Bruce, Rodney S C-E LCMC HQISEC/Signal Solutions
Here is part of the code I use to create emails that are sent out monthly.
I have removed a lot of code, queries and more of the msg being build, but
this should give you an idea.
By no means is this the best example .
But it does work:



-Part of the msg being
build-






Adds to msg-





CFMAIL here -



The listed below individuals have logged the indicated hours
to I3MP for the Month of: #mon# #dyear#.
Please confirm accuracy and provide response NLT 10 days
from receipt.
Negative response indicates agreement with the hours
reported in this email. 
DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL.

#msg#








-Original Message-
From: Charles Sheehan-Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk 
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:42:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?

> Sometimes I send out emails through my system which dynamically 
> generate the content from variables:
> 
> example:
> 
> Last year you gave $#lsnumberformat(lastyear, "9.99")# to support our 
> work. This year we hope you'll give $#lsnumberformat(lastyear*2, 
> "9.99")#.
> 
> My mailer routine uses evaluate against the string to parse out those 
> values, then it is sent out via cfmail inside a loop. If Evaluate() 
> isn't recommended, is there a better way to do this?  Typically this 
> type of mailing might go out to 10 or 12 thousand emails at once.
> 
> 
> On 4/18/06 1:29 PM, "Nick de Voil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> Is there a time when evaluate should be used?
> > 
> > If you want to dynamically build an unpredictable string which
> contains
> > logic, rather than just variable names, then afaik you can only
> invoke the
> > logic using Evaluate(). But then again, that's not something that
> people
> > need to do very often.
> > 
> > Nick
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 



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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Aaron Rouse
This does the same thing as his:



My guess is he was saying for the value of "variable" to not be put into foo
until the time that it was outputed instead of when set.



On 4/18/06, Bruce, Rodney S C-E LCMC HQISEC/Signal Solutions <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Unless I missed something,  there is no need to treat as a structure or
> use
> DE() or Evaluate().
>
> 
>
>
> 
> #foo#
> 
>
>
> This would work just fine.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:04 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?
>
>
> that's not really true claude,
>
> take the following.
>
> 
>
> You would need to use DE() and Evaluate() to output the content of foo
> properly with any variables displayed, there is no way to treat that as a
> struct.
>
> Russ
>
>
> 

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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Bruce, Rodney S C-E LCMC HQISEC/Signal Solutions
Unless I missed something,  there is no need to treat as a structure or use
DE() or Evaluate().





#foo#



This would work just fine.






-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 12:04 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?


that's not really true claude,

take the following.



You would need to use DE() and Evaluate() to output the content of foo 
properly with any variables displayed, there is no way to treat that as a 
struct.

Russ


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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Russ Michaels
that's not really true claude,

take the following.



You would need to use DE() and Evaluate() to output the content of foo 
properly with any variables displayed, there is no way to treat that as a 
struct.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Claude Schneegans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk 
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:22:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?

>  >>Is there a time when evaluate should be used?
> 
> There WAS a time, when structures were not available in CF, but 
> nowadays, you can always avoid it.
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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Russ Michaels
for this type of thing you can simply save the dynamic content as a file and 
cfinclude it between your cfmail tags. No need to evaluate anything then.

Russ

-Original Message-
From: Charles Sheehan-Miles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: CF-Talk 
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:42:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Evaluate vs ?

> Sometimes I send out emails through my system which dynamically
> generate the
> content from variables:
> 
> example: 
> 
> Last year you gave $#lsnumberformat(lastyear, "9.99")# to support our
> work.
> This year we hope you'll give $#lsnumberformat(lastyear*2, "9.99")#.
> 
> My mailer routine uses evaluate against the string to parse out those
> values, then it is sent out via cfmail inside a loop. If Evaluate()
> isn't
> recommended, is there a better way to do this?  Typically this type of
> mailing might go out to 10 or 12 thousand emails at once.
> 
> 
> On 4/18/06 1:29 PM, "Nick de Voil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> Is there a time when evaluate should be used?
> > 
> > If you want to dynamically build an unpredictable string which
> contains
> > logic, rather than just variable names, then afaik you can only
> invoke the
> > logic using Evaluate(). But then again, that's not something that
> people
> > need to do very often.
> > 
> > Nick
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Nick de Voil
> Last year you gave $#lsnumberformat(lastyear, "9.99")# to support our
work.
> This year we hope you'll give $#lsnumberformat(lastyear*2, "9.99")#.
>
> My mailer routine uses evaluate against the string to parse out those
> values, then it is sent out via cfmail inside a loop. If Evaluate() isn't
> recommended, is there a better way to do this?  Typically this type of
> mailing might go out to 10 or 12 thousand emails at once.

You mean you create a textual email template for each new mailing which
includes some raw CFML for the mail-merge fields? That seems a pretty good
case for using Evaluate() to me. Unless it's giving you bad performance
problems - if so, I guess you would be forced to restructure your system so
that your email template is no longer "data", but a compiled CFML template.

Nick




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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Charles Sheehan-Miles
Sometimes I send out emails through my system which dynamically generate the
content from variables:

example: 

Last year you gave $#lsnumberformat(lastyear, "9.99")# to support our work.
This year we hope you'll give $#lsnumberformat(lastyear*2, "9.99")#.

My mailer routine uses evaluate against the string to parse out those
values, then it is sent out via cfmail inside a loop. If Evaluate() isn't
recommended, is there a better way to do this?  Typically this type of
mailing might go out to 10 or 12 thousand emails at once.


On 4/18/06 1:29 PM, "Nick de Voil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Is there a time when evaluate should be used?
> 
> If you want to dynamically build an unpredictable string which contains
> logic, rather than just variable names, then afaik you can only invoke the
> logic using Evaluate(). But then again, that's not something that people
> need to do very often.
> 
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Matt,

>So from Massimo and Ray's suggestions, it can it work.
>
>
>returnvariable="theFN"
>/>
>#theFN#
>
>No errors and output as expected.
>
>But it seems the other should be possible too? Have I stumped the
>CF-Talkers?

You could always wrap the  tag into a UDF so you could use it
from a cfscript block.

invoke(myObject, "get#getter#");

You'd need to do a little work to pass in arguments, but it's definitely
do-able.

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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Nick de Voil
> Is there a time when evaluate should be used?

If you want to dynamically build an unpredictable string which contains
logic, rather than just variable names, then afaik you can only invoke the
logic using Evaluate(). But then again, that's not something that people
need to do very often.

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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Claude Schneegans
 >>Is there a time when evaluate should be used?

There WAS a time, when structures were not available in CF, but 
nowadays, you can always avoid it.

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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Loathe
No. 


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Is there a time when evaluate should be used?

>It's generally more expensive to tell the computer to treat a literal 
>string as an expression, than to just give the computer an expression 
>in the first place.
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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Stan Winchester
Is there a time when evaluate should be used?

>It's generally more expensive to tell the computer to treat a literal string
>as an expression, than to just give the computer an expression in the first
>place.
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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Matt Williams
So from Massimo and Ray's suggestions, it can it work.



#theFN#

No errors and output as expected.

But it seems the other should be possible too? Have I stumped the
CF-Talkers?


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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Raymond Camden
For cfinvoke to use an object instance,just do

component="#inst#"

instead of

component="somename"

On 4/18/06, Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> This was close, but acts strange. I can do the following:
> 
> #myObject.getFirstName()# --- outputs correctly.
> 
> 
>   --- throws error
> #myFN#
> 
>
> The error thrown by the doMethod() line is coming from the Object CFC. It
> says it that variables.FirstName is not defined, which is what the getter is
> getting. It is as though it doesn't recognize it as the same object.
>
> Massimo - I don't use cfinvoke much as I'm usually within a cfscript block.
> However I'm not against trying it. How does cfinvoke refer to an object
> instance. In my sample code I'm using myObject as that is a reference to an
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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Matt Williams
Dan,

This was close, but acts strange. I can do the following:

#myObject.getFirstName()# --- outputs correctly.


  --- throws error
#myFN#


The error thrown by the doMethod() line is coming from the Object CFC. It
says it that variables.FirstName is not defined, which is what the getter is
getting. It is as though it doesn't recognize it as the same object.

Massimo - I don't use cfinvoke much as I'm usually within a cfscript block.
However I'm not against trying it. How does cfinvoke refer to an object
instance. In my sample code I'm using myObject as that is a reference to an
already instantiated object (actually it is an object passed to the function
of another object).


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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread massimo
> 
>  ---Throws error
>
> Other try:
>  ---Also errors

It's just a shoot in the dark, but, in my experience, if you want to
dinamically define the method's name  gives you more
flexibility, since you only have to pass a variable or CFML expression to
the method attribute.

The same it's true for whenever you want to dynamically generate the
arguments.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer dot notation myself (I find it easier to
read), but  is handy on certain cases.

Massimo

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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Dan G. Switzer, II
Matt,

>What about this one:
>
>
>  
>
>
>Basically it is calling a setter method based on what is in the a
>structure.
>The cfset would evaluate to myObject.setFirstName('Matt')

This is untested, but you should be able to do:


  
  
  
  


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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Matt Williams
Charlie,

It didn't like that. Error message here.

Invalid CFML construct found...
ColdFusion was looking at the following text:
(


So then I tried moving the first closing bracked to include the arguments,
but no go there either. This can be emulated if you have an object with a
getter function (assuming that if I can get this simple example to work, the
loop will work too).


 ---Throws error

Other try:
 ---Also errors


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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Lee.S.Surma
>Not sure what you're going for here, the above could be used in about
the
>same way or something like this:

My example was altered and simplified. It goes to 12. Variables worked
and speeded the page load slightly. Some of the other object type
examples are intriguing. 

Lee Surma

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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Charlie Griefer


^ untested :)

On 4/18/06, Matt Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about this one:
>
> 
>   
> 
>
> Basically it is calling a setter method based on what is in the a structure.
> The cfset would evaluate to myObject.setFirstName('Matt')
>
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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Matt Williams
What about this one:


  


Basically it is calling a setter method based on what is in the a structure.
The cfset would evaluate to myObject.setFirstName('Matt')


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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Ben Nadel
Lee,

While people here are suggesting the "Variables" scope, please realize that
you can create any object to do this:

Ex. 


 

 



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variables['cMonth' & i]

(assuming the variables scope, of course)

On 4/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Loathe
 
monthArray = arrayNew(1);
monthArray[1] = "0101";
monthArray[2] = "0102";
monthArray[3] = "0103";


Not sure what you're going for here, the above could be used in about the
same way or something like this:



010#i#


What's the expected outcome, or output? 


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How would you "fix" this one?












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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Rob Wilkerson
variables['cMonth' & i]

(assuming the variables scope, of course)

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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Everett, Al \(NIH/NIGMS\) [C]








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How would you "fix" this one?












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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Charlie Griefer


then no need for CMonth


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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Jochem van Dieten
> How would you "fix" this one?
>
> 
> 
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>
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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Lee.S.Surma
How would you "fix" this one?












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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Nick Tong - TalkWebSolutions.co.uk
a bit late on this post, but heres another example:

http://www.succor.co.uk/index.cfm/2006/4/13/Avoid-evaluate-always

On 18/04/06, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > What's the matter with using evaluate?
>
> It's generally more expensive to tell the computer to treat a literal
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> first
> place.
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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-18 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Dave Watts said:
>> What's the matter with using evaluate?
>
> It's generally more expensive to tell the computer to treat a
> literal string as an expression, than to just give the computer an
> expression in the first place.

I think the bigger issue is the question where that string expression
originates. With the example posted by Stan doesn't pose much risk, we
have probably all seen the following code:


  


In this example, you are essentially running user generated code
inside your website. It is still limited to whatever Evaluate()
accepts, but you can get all sorts of interesting information if you
submit a form with a field named StructKeyList(session) or
StructClear(application).

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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Dave Watts
> What's the matter with using evaluate?

It's generally more expensive to tell the computer to treat a literal string
as an expression, than to just give the computer an expression in the first
place.

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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Mike Kear
Claude, you forgot to mention bringing about the downfall of civilisation as
we know it, and cause all our kids to learn to play the banjo.

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> >>What's the matter with using evaluate?
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> VERY VERY BAD indeed. It will cost at least 1/2 mili sec per page, it
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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Phillip B. Holmes
You really don't even need the val() function.
Using a foreach loop dramatically increases the speed of looping through
collections.










if(isDefined('form.fieldnames')) {
// remove elements that you don't want
structDelete(form,'fieldnames');
structDelete(form,'submit');
structDelete(form,'searchstring');
for(it IN form) {
writeOutput(it & ':' & form[it] & '');
}
}




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What's the matter with using evaluate?

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> Thanks everybody! I thought it was something like that.
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RE: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Loathe


Just a little style difference, I think at that point is more personal
opinion than actual measurable performance gains.

Tim

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> On 4/17/06, Ryan Guill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On 4/17/06, Stan Winchester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > I've read you should not use "Evaluate()". In the following
> example, what
> > > would be best practice?
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> > > Thank you,
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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Claude Schneegans
 >>What's the matter with using evaluate?

VERY VERY BAD indeed. It will cost at least 1/2 mili sec per page, it 
will completely clog the server,
waist all its banwidth, and worst: it will slow down the whole Internet 
in the planet! ;-))

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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Charlie Griefer
generally speaking, it's considered to be slow and somewhat
inefficient (this is not just in CF, btw... in most languages that I'm
aware of)

On 4/17/06, Mike Kear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's the matter with using evaluate?
>
> Cheers
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> Windsor, NSW, Australia
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> On 4/18/06, Stan Winchester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Mike Kear
What's the matter with using evaluate?

Cheers
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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Stan Winchester
Thanks everybody! I thought it was something like that.

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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Stan Winchester wrote:
> I've read you should not use "Evaluate()". In the following example, what
> would be best practice?
> 
> 
>   
> 


   


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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Rob Wilkerson
You could use #form['quantity_' & i]#

On 4/17/06, Stan Winchester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've read you should not use "Evaluate()". In the following example, what
> would be best practice?
>
>
>
> 
>
>   
>
> 
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Aftershock Web Design, Inc.
>
> by: Stan Winchester
>
> President/Developer
>
> http://www.aftershockweb.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Ryan Guill
Err, sorry, no period in there...

On 4/17/06, Ryan Guill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>
>
> On 4/17/06, Stan Winchester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've read you should not use "Evaluate()". In the following example, what
> > would be best practice?
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >   
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Aftershock Web Design, Inc.
> >
> > by: Stan Winchester
> >
> > President/Developer
> >
> > http://www.aftershockweb.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 

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Re: Evaluate vs ?

2006-04-17 Thread Ryan Guill



On 4/17/06, Stan Winchester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've read you should not use "Evaluate()". In the following example, what
> would be best practice?
>
>
>
> 
>
>   
>
> 
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Aftershock Web Design, Inc.
>
> by: Stan Winchester
>
> President/Developer
>
> http://www.aftershockweb.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 

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