RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread Tilbrook, Peter 
Heh! Don't think I could get away with that at work though :)

>>

Adam wrote:

"Plus, everyone has their own
preferred "home grown" method "

AKA: FuseBastard

H.




> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:41 PM
> To:   CF-Talk
> Subject:      RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
> 
> Adam,
> 
> There's one called "CF Objects" I believe. Plus, everyone has their 
> own preferred "home grown" method - everyone who's done more than one 
> project requiring high level CF code that is.
> 
> -Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
> 
> 
> " Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for 
> developing ColdFusion Applications"
> 
> What other Framework/Methodologies exist for Cold Fusion?
> 
> Is the fuseBox framework/methodology decided by a consortium? Or by a 
> few elite people?
> 
> Adam Wayne Lehman
> Web Systems Developer
> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> Distance Education Division
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:09 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
> 
> As far as I understand it Hal Helms is no longer on the Fusebox 
> committee, he was a founding member.  I can tell you that he is still 
> very much involved with Fusebox and at the forefront of the Fusebox 
> iteration for ColdFusion MX just repeating here, you can see some of 
> his work in that regard here
> http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm.
> 
> Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for 
> developing ColdFusion Applications and as stated here is also being 
> looked at for ASP,
> JSP and PHP development.  There are rumblings that CFC's obviate the
> need
> for Fusebox, my feelings are that CFC's as of themselves do not answer
> all
> the application needs that Fusebox including Fusedocs (a documentation
> capability) and FLiP (an application lifecycle methodology) answered.
> 
> Many people are waiting to see what Fusebox for ColdFusion MX looks 
> like and I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash 
> developers about Fusebox as a methodology/framework for Flash 
> Application development.
> 
> Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
> Webapper
> Blog http://www.webapper.net
> Web site http://www.webapper.com
> Downey CA Office
> 562.243.6255
> AIM - webappermb
> 
> Web Application Specialists
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:48 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Design Pattern Question
> 
> 
> Scott Wilhelm writes:
> 
> > This might be a stupid question, but what's Fusebox? (Sorry, I'm a 
> > newbie in the CF world)
> 
> http://www.fusebox.org.
> 
> it's a fairly popular design methodology (started with CF, and i 
> believe has been ported to PHP).
> 
> Altho I understand that CFC's, now available in CFMX, kind of render 
> fusebox moot (disclaimer: i do not know fusebox...i do not know for 
> certain that fusebox is no longer 'worthwhile'...this is only 
> something that i have heard
> in certain circles) :)
> 
> charlie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > SW
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones
> > Sent: Mon 01/13/2003 02:22 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Cc:
> > Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
> >
> >
> >
> > Not one to start gossip, but I was under the influence that Hal 
> > Helms
> > left the fusebox group. Is this true? If so why did he leave, if 
> > not,
> > why is this rumor floating around?
> >
> > Adam Wayne Lehman
> > Web Systems Developer
> > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> > Distance Education Division
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:13 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
> >
> > Yes this is a good methodology to consider as we all move out of
> > procedural
> > methodologies to more 'OO' based concepts.  Yet in my opinion ther

RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread John Quarto-vonTivadar 
There are also books out on Fusebox 
"Discovering Fusebox 3" published by Techspedition
(www.techspedition.com) which also has 
an eWorkbook that can be used with it to self-test your knowledge as you
go along. 

"Fusebox: Developing ColdFusion applications" published by NewRiders.

There is also "Fusebox: methodology and techniques" but that is now 3
years old and quite out of date


-Original Message-
From: Mosh Teitelbaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:40 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question


There's also cfObjects (http://www.cfobjects.com/).  My IE Favorites
list has gotten unmanageable again and I can't find the links to the
others I've bookmarked.  Sheesh.

As for FuseBox info, check out their site http://www.fusebox.org.

--
Mosh Teitelbaum
evoch, LLC
Tel: (301) 625-9191
Fax: (301) 933-3651
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.evoch.com/


> -Original Message-
> From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:17 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
>
>
> " Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for 
> developing ColdFusion Applications"
>
> What other Framework/Methodologies exist for Cold Fusion?
>
> Is the fuseBox framework/methodology decided by a consortium? Or by a 
> few elite people?
>
> Adam Wayne Lehman
> Web Systems Developer
> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> Distance Education Division
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:09 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
>
> As far as I understand it Hal Helms is no longer on the Fusebox 
> committee, he was a founding member.  I can tell you that he is still 
> very much involved with Fusebox and at the forefront of the Fusebox 
> iteration for ColdFusion MX just repeating here, you can see some of 
> his work in that regard here
> http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm.
>
> Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for 
> developing ColdFusion Applications and as stated here is also being 
> looked at for ASP,
> JSP and PHP development.  There are rumblings that CFC's obviate the
> need
> for Fusebox, my feelings are that CFC's as of themselves do not answer
> all
> the application needs that Fusebox including Fusedocs (a documentation
> capability) and FLiP (an application lifecycle methodology) answered.
>
> Many people are waiting to see what Fusebox for ColdFusion MX looks 
> like and I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash 
> developers about Fusebox as a methodology/framework for Flash 
> Application development.
>
> Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
> Webapper
> Blog http://www.webapper.net
> Web site http://www.webapper.com
> Downey CA Office
> 562.243.6255
> AIM - webappermb
>
> Web Application Specialists
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:48 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Design Pattern Question
>
>
> Scott Wilhelm writes:
>
> > This might be a stupid question, but what's Fusebox? (Sorry, I'm a 
> > newbie in the CF world)
>
> http://www.fusebox.org.
>
> it's a fairly popular design methodology (started with CF, and i 
> believe has been ported to PHP).
>
> Altho I understand that CFC's, now available in CFMX, kind of render 
> fusebox moot (disclaimer: i do not know fusebox...i do not know for 
> certain that fusebox is no longer 'worthwhile'...this is only 
> something that i have heard
> in certain circles) :)
>
> charlie
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > SW
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones
> > Sent: Mon 01/13/2003 02:22 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Cc:
> > Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
> >
> >
> >
> > Not one to start gossip, but I was under the influence that Hal 
> > Helms
> > left the fusebox group. Is this true? If so why did he leave, if

> > not,
> > why is this rumor floating around?
> >
> > Adam Wayne Lehman
> > Web Systems Developer
> > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> > Distance Education Division
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:13 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> >

RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread Owens, Howard 
Adam wrote:

"Plus, everyone has their own
preferred "home grown" method "

AKA: FuseBastard

H.




> -Original Message-
> From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 1:41 PM
> To:   CF-Talk
> Subject:  RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
> 
> Adam,
> 
> There's one called "CF Objects" I believe. Plus, everyone has their own
> preferred "home grown" method - everyone who's done more than one project
> requiring high level CF code that is.
> 
> -Mark
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:17 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
> 
> 
> " Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for
> developing ColdFusion Applications"
> 
> What other Framework/Methodologies exist for Cold Fusion?
> 
> Is the fuseBox framework/methodology decided by a consortium? Or by a
> few elite people?
> 
> Adam Wayne Lehman
> Web Systems Developer
> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> Distance Education Division
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:09 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
> 
> As far as I understand it Hal Helms is no longer on the Fusebox
> committee,
> he was a founding member.  I can tell you that he is still very much
> involved with Fusebox and at the forefront of the Fusebox iteration for
> ColdFusion MX just repeating here, you can see some of his work in that
> regard here
> http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm.
> 
> Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for
> developing
> ColdFusion Applications and as stated here is also being looked at for
> ASP,
> JSP and PHP development.  There are rumblings that CFC's obviate the
> need
> for Fusebox, my feelings are that CFC's as of themselves do not answer
> all
> the application needs that Fusebox including Fusedocs (a documentation
> capability) and FLiP (an application lifecycle methodology) answered.
> 
> Many people are waiting to see what Fusebox for ColdFusion MX looks like
> and
> I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash developers about
> Fusebox as a methodology/framework for Flash Application development.
> 
> Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
> Webapper
> Blog http://www.webapper.net
> Web site http://www.webapper.com
> Downey CA Office
> 562.243.6255
> AIM - webappermb
> 
> Web Application Specialists
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:48 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Design Pattern Question
> 
> 
> Scott Wilhelm writes:
> 
> > This might be a stupid question, but what's Fusebox? (Sorry, I'm a
> > newbie in the CF world)
> 
> http://www.fusebox.org.
> 
> it's a fairly popular design methodology (started with CF, and i believe
> has
> been ported to PHP).
> 
> Altho I understand that CFC's, now available in CFMX, kind of render
> fusebox
> moot (disclaimer: i do not know fusebox...i do not know for certain that
> fusebox is no longer 'worthwhile'...this is only something that i have
> heard
> in certain circles) :)
> 
> charlie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > SW
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones
> > Sent: Mon 01/13/2003 02:22 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Cc:
> > Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
> >
> >
> >
> > Not one to start gossip, but I was under the influence that Hal
> > Helms
> > left the fusebox group. Is this true? If so why did he leave, if
> > not,
> > why is this rumor floating around?
> >
> > Adam Wayne Lehman
> > Web Systems Developer
> > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> > Distance Education Division
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:13 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
> >
> > Yes this is a good methodology to consider as we all move out of
> > procedural
> > methodologies to more 'OO' based concepts.  Yet in my opinion
> > there is a
> > further dimension that Fusebox achieves, or has

RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread Mosh Teitelbaum 
There's also cfObjects (http://www.cfobjects.com/).  My IE Favorites list
has gotten unmanageable again and I can't find the links to the others I've
bookmarked.  Sheesh.

As for FuseBox info, check out their site http://www.fusebox.org.

--
Mosh Teitelbaum
evoch, LLC
Tel: (301) 625-9191
Fax: (301) 933-3651
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WWW: http://www.evoch.com/


> -Original Message-
> From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:17 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
>
>
> " Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for
> developing ColdFusion Applications"
>
> What other Framework/Methodologies exist for Cold Fusion?
>
> Is the fuseBox framework/methodology decided by a consortium? Or by a
> few elite people?
>
> Adam Wayne Lehman
> Web Systems Developer
> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> Distance Education Division
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:09 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question
>
> As far as I understand it Hal Helms is no longer on the Fusebox
> committee,
> he was a founding member.  I can tell you that he is still very much
> involved with Fusebox and at the forefront of the Fusebox iteration for
> ColdFusion MX just repeating here, you can see some of his work in that
> regard here
> http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm.
>
> Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for
> developing
> ColdFusion Applications and as stated here is also being looked at for
> ASP,
> JSP and PHP development.  There are rumblings that CFC's obviate the
> need
> for Fusebox, my feelings are that CFC's as of themselves do not answer
> all
> the application needs that Fusebox including Fusedocs (a documentation
> capability) and FLiP (an application lifecycle methodology) answered.
>
> Many people are waiting to see what Fusebox for ColdFusion MX looks like
> and
> I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash developers about
> Fusebox as a methodology/framework for Flash Application development.
>
> Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
> Webapper
> Blog http://www.webapper.net
> Web site http://www.webapper.com
> Downey CA Office
> 562.243.6255
> AIM - webappermb
>
> Web Application Specialists
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:48 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Design Pattern Question
>
>
> Scott Wilhelm writes:
>
> > This might be a stupid question, but what's Fusebox? (Sorry, I'm a
> > newbie in the CF world)
>
> http://www.fusebox.org.
>
> it's a fairly popular design methodology (started with CF, and i believe
> has
> been ported to PHP).
>
> Altho I understand that CFC's, now available in CFMX, kind of render
> fusebox
> moot (disclaimer: i do not know fusebox...i do not know for certain that
> fusebox is no longer 'worthwhile'...this is only something that i have
> heard
> in certain circles) :)
>
> charlie
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > SW
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones
> > Sent: Mon 01/13/2003 02:22 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Cc:
> > Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
> >
> >
> >
> > Not one to start gossip, but I was under the influence that Hal
> > Helms
> > left the fusebox group. Is this true? If so why did he leave, if
> > not,
> > why is this rumor floating around?
> >
> > Adam Wayne Lehman
> > Web Systems Developer
> > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> > Distance Education Division
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:13 PM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
> >
> > Yes this is a good methodology to consider as we all move out of
> > procedural
> > methodologies to more 'OO' based concepts.  Yet in my opinion
> > there is a
> > further dimension that Fusebox achieves, or has done for us,
> > that I have
> > not
> > yet seen expounded in CFMX tutorials etc.
> >
> > Using Fusebox in conjunction with FLIP we have a complete
> > application
> > design
> > and development enviro

RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread Mark A. Kruger - CFG 
Adam,

There's one called "CF Objects" I believe. Plus, everyone has their own
preferred "home grown" method - everyone who's done more than one project
requiring high level CF code that is.

-Mark



-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question


" Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for
developing ColdFusion Applications"

What other Framework/Methodologies exist for Cold Fusion?

Is the fuseBox framework/methodology decided by a consortium? Or by a
few elite people?

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

As far as I understand it Hal Helms is no longer on the Fusebox
committee,
he was a founding member.  I can tell you that he is still very much
involved with Fusebox and at the forefront of the Fusebox iteration for
ColdFusion MX just repeating here, you can see some of his work in that
regard here
http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm.

Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for
developing
ColdFusion Applications and as stated here is also being looked at for
ASP,
JSP and PHP development.  There are rumblings that CFC's obviate the
need
for Fusebox, my feelings are that CFC's as of themselves do not answer
all
the application needs that Fusebox including Fusedocs (a documentation
capability) and FLiP (an application lifecycle methodology) answered.

Many people are waiting to see what Fusebox for ColdFusion MX looks like
and
I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash developers about
Fusebox as a methodology/framework for Flash Application development.

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
Webapper
Blog http://www.webapper.net
Web site http://www.webapper.com
Downey CA Office
562.243.6255
AIM - webappermb

Web Application Specialists


-Original Message-
From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Design Pattern Question


Scott Wilhelm writes:

> This might be a stupid question, but what's Fusebox? (Sorry, I'm a
> newbie in the CF world)

http://www.fusebox.org.

it's a fairly popular design methodology (started with CF, and i believe
has
been ported to PHP).

Altho I understand that CFC's, now available in CFMX, kind of render
fusebox
moot (disclaimer: i do not know fusebox...i do not know for certain that
fusebox is no longer 'worthwhile'...this is only something that i have
heard
in certain circles) :)

charlie





>
> SW
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Adrocknaphobia Jones
>   Sent: Mon 01/13/2003 02:22 PM
>   To: CF-Talk
>   Cc:
>   Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
>
>
>
>   Not one to start gossip, but I was under the influence that Hal
> Helms
>   left the fusebox group. Is this true? If so why did he leave, if
> not,
>   why is this rumor floating around?
>
>   Adam Wayne Lehman
>   Web Systems Developer
>   Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
>   Distance Education Division
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:13 PM
>   To: CF-Talk
>   Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
>
>   Yes this is a good methodology to consider as we all move out of
>   procedural
>   methodologies to more 'OO' based concepts.  Yet in my opinion
> there is a
>   further dimension that Fusebox achieves, or has done for us,
> that I have
>   not
>   yet seen expounded in CFMX tutorials etc.
>
>   Using Fusebox in conjunction with FLIP we have a complete
> application
>   design
>   and development environment from concept-discussion through
>   coding-ongoing
>   maintenance.  In addition by using Fusebox we have found it easy
> to
>   bring in
>   developers who had never coded on CF before but who had a good
> grasp of
>   HTML, JavaScript and/or ASP-JSP.  Further by abstracting the
> actual
>   Fuseaction values till run-time Fusebox truly affords the
> capability at
>   another layer of separation, that of separating design from
> development;
>   when combined with the very descriptive capabilities afforded by
> the use
>   of
>   Fusedocs.  Finally, the logicality of using Circuits as a
>   mapping/pathing
>   mechanism addresses to p

RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread Luce, Greg 
The Fusebox methodology is created/modified/evolved by hundreds of people in
the FB community. Throw your hat into the ring if you like!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:17 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question


" Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for
developing ColdFusion Applications"

What other Framework/Methodologies exist for Cold Fusion?

Is the fuseBox framework/methodology decided by a consortium? Or by a
few elite people?

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

As far as I understand it Hal Helms is no longer on the Fusebox
committee,
he was a founding member.  I can tell you that he is still very much
involved with Fusebox and at the forefront of the Fusebox iteration for
ColdFusion MX just repeating here, you can see some of his work in that
regard here
http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm.

Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for
developing
ColdFusion Applications and as stated here is also being looked at for
ASP,
JSP and PHP development.  There are rumblings that CFC's obviate the
need
for Fusebox, my feelings are that CFC's as of themselves do not answer
all
the application needs that Fusebox including Fusedocs (a documentation
capability) and FLiP (an application lifecycle methodology) answered.

Many people are waiting to see what Fusebox for ColdFusion MX looks like
and
I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash developers about
Fusebox as a methodology/framework for Flash Application development.

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
Webapper
Blog http://www.webapper.net
Web site http://www.webapper.com
Downey CA Office
562.243.6255
AIM - webappermb

Web Application Specialists


-Original Message-
From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Design Pattern Question


Scott Wilhelm writes:

> This might be a stupid question, but what's Fusebox? (Sorry, I'm a
> newbie in the CF world)

http://www.fusebox.org.

it's a fairly popular design methodology (started with CF, and i believe
has
been ported to PHP).

Altho I understand that CFC's, now available in CFMX, kind of render
fusebox
moot (disclaimer: i do not know fusebox...i do not know for certain that
fusebox is no longer 'worthwhile'...this is only something that i have
heard
in certain circles) :)

charlie





>
> SW
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Adrocknaphobia Jones
>   Sent: Mon 01/13/2003 02:22 PM
>   To: CF-Talk
>   Cc:
>   Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
>
>
>
>   Not one to start gossip, but I was under the influence that Hal
> Helms
>   left the fusebox group. Is this true? If so why did he leave, if
> not,
>   why is this rumor floating around?
>
>   Adam Wayne Lehman
>   Web Systems Developer
>   Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
>   Distance Education Division
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:13 PM
>   To: CF-Talk
>   Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
>
>   Yes this is a good methodology to consider as we all move out of
>   procedural
>   methodologies to more 'OO' based concepts.  Yet in my opinion
> there is a
>   further dimension that Fusebox achieves, or has done for us,
> that I have
>   not
>   yet seen expounded in CFMX tutorials etc.
>
>   Using Fusebox in conjunction with FLIP we have a complete
> application
>   design
>   and development environment from concept-discussion through
>   coding-ongoing
>   maintenance.  In addition by using Fusebox we have found it easy
> to
>   bring in
>   developers who had never coded on CF before but who had a good
> grasp of
>   HTML, JavaScript and/or ASP-JSP.  Further by abstracting the
> actual
>   Fuseaction values till run-time Fusebox truly affords the
> capability at
>   another layer of separation, that of separating design from
> development;
>   when combined with the very descriptive capabilities afforded by
> the use
>   of
>   Fusedocs.  Finally, the logicality of using Circuits as a
>   mapping/pathing
>   mechanism addresses to physical layout questions of developing a
> web
>   application.
>
>

RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread Mike Brunt 
There was actually a move to create something called Flashbox, those
discussions took place around 6-8 months ago but in fairness did seem to
fizzle out although there are still references to it here
http://www.topica.com/lists/flashbox/.

No doubts there is always talk in Fusebox circles about MVC and Hal Helms
has something relating to that here http://halhelms.com/writings/mvc.htm.

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-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question


> I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash
> developers about Fusebox as a methodology/framework for
> Flash Application development.

Really? I'd have to take issue with that. Most Flash developers I've met are
much more interested in typical OOP development framework ideas, such as
Model-View-Controller or Model-View-Presenter. Most also don't know CF,
either.

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RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread Adrocknaphobia Jones 
" Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for
developing ColdFusion Applications"

What other Framework/Methodologies exist for Cold Fusion?

Is the fuseBox framework/methodology decided by a consortium? Or by a
few elite people?

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-Original Message-
From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

As far as I understand it Hal Helms is no longer on the Fusebox
committee,
he was a founding member.  I can tell you that he is still very much
involved with Fusebox and at the forefront of the Fusebox iteration for
ColdFusion MX just repeating here, you can see some of his work in that
regard here
http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm.

Fusebox is the most widely distributed Framework/Methodology for
developing
ColdFusion Applications and as stated here is also being looked at for
ASP,
JSP and PHP development.  There are rumblings that CFC's obviate the
need
for Fusebox, my feelings are that CFC's as of themselves do not answer
all
the application needs that Fusebox including Fusedocs (a documentation
capability) and FLiP (an application lifecycle methodology) answered.

Many people are waiting to see what Fusebox for ColdFusion MX looks like
and
I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash developers about
Fusebox as a methodology/framework for Flash Application development.

Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
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-Original Message-
From: charlie griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 11:48 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Design Pattern Question


Scott Wilhelm writes:

> This might be a stupid question, but what's Fusebox? (Sorry, I'm a
> newbie in the CF world)

http://www.fusebox.org.

it's a fairly popular design methodology (started with CF, and i believe
has
been ported to PHP).

Altho I understand that CFC's, now available in CFMX, kind of render
fusebox
moot (disclaimer: i do not know fusebox...i do not know for certain that
fusebox is no longer 'worthwhile'...this is only something that i have
heard
in certain circles) :)

charlie





>
> SW
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Adrocknaphobia Jones
>   Sent: Mon 01/13/2003 02:22 PM
>   To: CF-Talk
>   Cc:
>   Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
>
>
>
>   Not one to start gossip, but I was under the influence that Hal
> Helms
>   left the fusebox group. Is this true? If so why did he leave, if
> not,
>   why is this rumor floating around?
>
>   Adam Wayne Lehman
>   Web Systems Developer
>   Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
>   Distance Education Division
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:13 PM
>   To: CF-Talk
>   Subject: RE: Design Pattern Question
>
>   Yes this is a good methodology to consider as we all move out of
>   procedural
>   methodologies to more 'OO' based concepts.  Yet in my opinion
> there is a
>   further dimension that Fusebox achieves, or has done for us,
> that I have
>   not
>   yet seen expounded in CFMX tutorials etc.
>
>   Using Fusebox in conjunction with FLIP we have a complete
> application
>   design
>   and development environment from concept-discussion through
>   coding-ongoing
>   maintenance.  In addition by using Fusebox we have found it easy
> to
>   bring in
>   developers who had never coded on CF before but who had a good
> grasp of
>   HTML, JavaScript and/or ASP-JSP.  Further by abstracting the
> actual
>   Fuseaction values till run-time Fusebox truly affords the
> capability at
>   another layer of separation, that of separating design from
> development;
>   when combined with the very descriptive capabilities afforded by
> the use
>   of
>   Fusedocs.  Finally, the logicality of using Circuits as a
>   mapping/pathing
>   mechanism addresses to physical layout questions of developing a
> web
>   application.
>
>   There is one last very important point here, there have been
> many
>   previous
>   methodologies/frameworks applied to ColdFusion development.
> What is
>   different in Fusebox is it has become the most widely used of
> all of
>   them
>   and that is a very considerable factor for those of us using
> teams of
>   developers that can change, grow, shrink etc.
>
>   I recommend you take a look at Hal Helms work
>   http://www.halhelms.com/webresources/fuseboxmxpreso/page1.htm as
> CFMX
>   and
>   Fusebox are melded to form the next iteration of

RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread Haggerty, Mike 
There is some interest in adopting Fusebox to Flash (the idea is called
Flashbox), although the source of it seems to be existing CF Fusebox
developers looking for a way of working with Flash.

I can say there is not nearly the level of interest in Flashbox as there is
in just straight OOP programming, judging from the reactions of Flash
developers I know.

There has been a Flashbox mailing list for about a year now, and I have seen
some projects where ideas like this were implemented with varying degrees of
success.

The ideas could be a little more fleshed out...

M

-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:34 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question


> I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash
> developers about Fusebox as a methodology/framework for 
> Flash Application development.

Really? I'd have to take issue with that. Most Flash developers I've met are
much more interested in typical OOP development framework ideas, such as
Model-View-Controller or Model-View-Presenter. Most also don't know CF,
either.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444

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RE: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread Dave Watts 
> I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash 
> developers about Fusebox as a methodology/framework for 
> Flash Application development.

Really? I'd have to take issue with that. Most Flash developers I've met are
much more interested in typical OOP development framework ideas, such as
Model-View-Controller or Model-View-Presenter. Most also don't know CF,
either.

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Re: Fusebox was RE: Design Pattern Question

2003-01-13 Thread Samuel R. Neff 
At 12:08 PM 1/13/2003, you wrote:

>I also know that there is a lot of interest among Flash developers about
>Fusebox as a methodology/framework for Flash Application development.

Really?  I've never seen anything indicating this--I'd be interested in 
reading the archives.  Where was it discussed?

Flash has largely adopted MVC (and Fusebox is really an implementation of 
MVC, isn't it?).


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