RE: do not increase counter is returns 0
Hominid: Any member of the biological family Hominidae (the great apes), including the extinct and extant humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans. Thank you. Adrian :OD -Original Message- From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2008 21:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 Thank you, Charlie. Yes, as you point out, I have tried over and over to explain things to Erik as well as reiterate that what he asks about are things that would be explained in the first few chapters of any book (or even website tutorial) on the subject. Instead, he absolutely refuses to try to learn himself and instead keeps on asking questions. Why? Because people keep answering them. I'm trying to help him AND the list because the current situation is harming both. But to be honest, the fact that Mr. Roberts misses the point completely and resorts to the very ad hominid attacks he condemns is not shocking in the slightest. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:309459 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0
Given the nature of this thread, ad hominid attacks is one of the best Freudian/spell check slip(s) in hominid history. ~G~ On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Adrian Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hominid: Any member of the biological family Hominidae (the great apes), including the extinct and extant humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans. Thank you. Adrian :OD -Original Message- From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 June 2008 21:08 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 Thank you, Charlie. Yes, as you point out, I have tried over and over to explain things to Erik as well as reiterate that what he asks about are things that would be explained in the first few chapters of any book (or even website tutorial) on the subject. Instead, he absolutely refuses to try to learn himself and instead keeps on asking questions. Why? Because people keep answering them. I'm trying to help him AND the list because the current situation is harming both. But to be honest, the fact that Mr. Roberts misses the point completely and resorts to the very ad hominid attacks he condemns is not shocking in the slightest. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;203748912;27390454;j Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:309503 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: do not increase counter is returns 0 Apology to List
Erik originated the lotto scam post? That's funny... and just when I thought I couldn't think any better of him. ;-) I've seen all of the posts in question Brian... I think I may have even started the original barrage of 'read a book' comments geared toward erik... but after the 10th time or so, I just decided that he has no intention of learning where he needs to but instead would rather have the quick fix so he can move on so my latest Outlook filter entitled 'Erik Tom' was born. Katrina is right (to a very small degree) ... it is time to watch him shrink into the distance... you tried to help. ..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com http://cf4em.com -Original Message- From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 Apology to List Seeing as how *I* was not the person who initially responded to Erik, and how my message also advocated *exactly* what you are proposing (ignoring him), I don't understand at all what you're trying to say or why I am somehow the target of your indignation. Regardless, I'll let this thread die now since you seem content to reject the olive branch I was trying to extend. Sorry you disagree with me, but given the long chain of events related to this (which you seem to be ignoring or are still not aware of), I can tell you with certainty that I would say the same thing again without hesitation. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Katrina Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize for having posted this to the list. It was intended to be a private post directly to Brian. I was a little upset at the time that I wrote the post. This is not an excuse but an explanation for my not changing the recipient. I however stand by my original message. While you didn't actually use the word idiot the underlying message, at least how I read it, was that you were condemning Erik for either being too stupid or too lazy to read even the most basic book on SQL. To me that's the same thing. It also implies that YOU HAVE read the most basic book on SQL and therefore know more than the next guy. I have found, on the MANY different lists that I have belonged to, that if you ignore the kind of people you all have described they eventually go away. They might post the same questions over and over and over again for a little while but they eventually leave. They might even throw a fit about not getting any help. So what? Who cares? Instead of posting about how we shouldn't help this person because we have already tried and tried to help them and they just don't get it, ignore them. I'm sure there is going to be more flaming for this response. However I felt that I needed to explain my reaction earlier and again apologize to the rest of the list for this public discussion that should have been private.Thank you, Katrina ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306803 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: do not increase counter is returns 0
My point is that if you are not going to be nice about your response, and you wish to respond in that manner, then either don't respond or respond privately. I wasn't following the thread nor do I remember any of the posts Erik has made, but if you were to look at Brian's posting, that would give the impression that this is an unfriendly list and might scare away newbies that would other gain a lot of knowledge from the guru's here. That has nothing to do with how much one has contributed to the community or not but rather how this list appears to a new person. Whether it was warranted or not, I thought Brian's response was very rude. I do appreciate Brain's contributions and I have learned a lot from his posts, but that doesn't excuse being rude to someone asking a question in a professional community. If this wasn't a professional community I would say fire up the flame throwers...I enjoy a good argument as much as the next guy, but this just isn't an appropriate place for it. We also don't know whatever resources he access to as far as books or what his level of proficiency is. When we first got started, I bet many of us asked the same questions in our effort to learn. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:15 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 /* /*True. I have wondered that too. I actually thought the same thing right /*after I sent the email. I don't want to chase off ppl either. /* /* /*On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Mark Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*wrote: /* /* Gerald, /* /* Regarding grammar and writing skill (and forgive me because I don't know /* this) but is it possible there is a language barrier here? The subject /*line /* above reminds me of someone for whom English is possibly a second /*language. /* I don't know Erick but I certainly don't want to chase people away from /*the /* community on the basis of grammar if they already know (at least) one /*more /* language than I do :) /* /* -Mark /* /* Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE /* (402) 408-3733 ext 105 /* www.cfwebtools.com /* www.coldfusionmuse.com /* www.necfug.com /* /* /* /*-- /*The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to /*discover new ways of thinking about them. /*- Sir William Bragg /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306812 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0
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Re: do not increase counter is returns 0
And in your quest to keep the list professional and make it seem like a friendly place you opted to refer to Brian as a butthead. Nicely done. Not for nothing, but whether it was warranted or not, it was very rude. Pot... meet kettle. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Eric Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My point is that if you are not going to be nice about your response, and you wish to respond in that manner, then either don't respond or respond privately. I wasn't following the thread nor do I remember any of the posts Erik has made, but if you were to look at Brian's posting, that would give the impression that this is an unfriendly list and might scare away newbies that would other gain a lot of knowledge from the guru's here. That has nothing to do with how much one has contributed to the community or not but rather how this list appears to a new person. Whether it was warranted or not, I thought Brian's response was very rude. I do appreciate Brain's contributions and I have learned a lot from his posts, but that doesn't excuse being rude to someone asking a question in a professional community. If this wasn't a professional community I would say fire up the flame throwers...I enjoy a good argument as much as the next guy, but this just isn't an appropriate place for it. We also don't know whatever resources he access to as far as books or what his level of proficiency is. When we first got started, I bet many of us asked the same questions in our effort to learn. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:15 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 /* /*True. I have wondered that too. I actually thought the same thing right /*after I sent the email. I don't want to chase off ppl either. /* /* /*On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Mark Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*wrote: /* /* Gerald, /* /* Regarding grammar and writing skill (and forgive me because I don't know /* this) but is it possible there is a language barrier here? The subject /*line /* above reminds me of someone for whom English is possibly a second /*language. /* I don't know Erick but I certainly don't want to chase people away from /*the /* community on the basis of grammar if they already know (at least) one /*more /* language than I do :) /* /* -Mark /* /* Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE /* (402) 408-3733 ext 105 /* www.cfwebtools.com /* www.coldfusionmuse.com /* www.necfug.com /* /* /* /*-- /*The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to /*discover new ways of thinking about them. /*- Sir William Bragg /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306814 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0
On Friday 30 May 2008, erik tom wrote: not return returns a record then do not increase the counter (this part is working) Also if the query.hours eq 0 and query.minutes eq 0 also should not increase the counter cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 and query.hours neq 0 and query.mineutes neq 0 ? -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306698 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0
If Erik would bother to read even the most basic book on SQL he could answer this himself since this could all be done in a couple of lines of SQL with no loops and no CFML at all. But he'd rather waste everyone else's time instead of spending 10 dollars. So please don't encourage him, Tom. ;-) On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 30 May 2008, erik tom wrote: not return returns a record then do not increase the counter (this part is working) Also if the query.hours eq 0 and query.minutes eq 0 also should not increase the counter cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 and query.hours neq 0 and query.mineutes neq 0 ? -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306702 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: do not increase counter is returns 0
Please ignore the buttheads Katrina...it is still like that. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Katrina Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:17 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 /* /*I haven't been a member of this list for a few years now, but I remember /*it being a place where even the most beginning person could come for /*advice. This is a community and not a place for you to show how much more /*you know than the next guy. /*I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most /*of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of /*saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't /*respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading /*posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better /*responses to any questions you have if you're nice. /**Down off my soap box now* /* Thank you, /*Katrina /* /*If people knew how hard I worked to gain my mastery, /*it wouldn't seem so wonderful after all. /*--Michelangelo /* /* /* /*- Original Message /*From: Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com /*Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:37:46 AM /*Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 /* /*If Erik would bother to read even the most basic book on SQL he could /*answer /*this himself since this could all be done in a couple of lines of SQL with /*no loops and no CFML at all. But he'd rather waste everyone else's time /*instead of spending 10 dollars. So please don't encourage him, Tom. ;-) /* /* /*On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Chiverton /*[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*wrote: /* /* On Friday 30 May 2008, erik tom wrote: /* not return returns a record then do not increase the counter (this /*part /* is /* working) Also if the query.hours eq 0 and query.minutes eq 0 also /*should /* not increase the counter /* cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 /* /* cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 and query.hours neq 0 and /*query.mineutes /* neq 0 ? /* -- /* Tom Chiverton /* /* /* /* This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. /* /* Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England /*and /* Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address /*is at /* Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A /* list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. /*Any /* reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of /* Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. /* /* CONFIDENTIALITY /* /* This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and /* may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee /*you /* must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy /*it /* nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its /* existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please /* delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. /* /* For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. /* /* /* /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306717 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0
Erik, why can't you just exclude those records in the SQL? select hours,minutes from TimesOnline where empID=#EID# and coursename like 'Activity Programming%' and (hours != 0 and minutes != 0) ?? On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Eric Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please ignore the buttheads Katrina...it is still like that. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Katrina Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:17 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 /* /*I haven't been a member of this list for a few years now, but I remember /*it being a place where even the most beginning person could come for /*advice. This is a community and not a place for you to show how much more /*you know than the next guy. /*I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most /*of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of /*saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't /*respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading /*posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better /*responses to any questions you have if you're nice. /**Down off my soap box now* /* Thank you, /*Katrina /* /*If people knew how hard I worked to gain my mastery, /*it wouldn't seem so wonderful after all. /*--Michelangelo /* /* /* /*- Original Message /*From: Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com /*Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:37:46 AM /*Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 /* /*If Erik would bother to read even the most basic book on SQL he could /*answer /*this himself since this could all be done in a couple of lines of SQL with /*no loops and no CFML at all. But he'd rather waste everyone else's time /*instead of spending 10 dollars. So please don't encourage him, Tom. ;-) /* /* /*On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Chiverton /*[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*wrote: /* /* On Friday 30 May 2008, erik tom wrote: /* not return returns a record then do not increase the counter (this /*part /* is /* working) Also if the query.hours eq 0 and query.minutes eq 0 also /*should /* not increase the counter /* cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 /* /* cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 and query.hours neq 0 and /*query.mineutes /* neq 0 ? /* -- /* Tom Chiverton /* /* /* /* This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. /* /* Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England /*and /* Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address /*is at /* Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A /* list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. /*Any /* reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of /* Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. /* /* CONFIDENTIALITY /* /* This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and /* may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee /*you /* must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy /*it /* nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its /* existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please /* delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. /* /* For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. /* /* /* /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306720 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0
I haven't been a member of this list for a few years now, but I remember it being a place where even the most beginning person could come for advice. This is a community and not a place for you to show how much more you know than the next guy. I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better responses to any questions you have if you're nice. *Down off my soap box now* Thank you, Katrina If people knew how hard I worked to gain my mastery, it wouldn't seem so wonderful after all. --Michelangelo - Original Message From: Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:37:46 AM Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 If Erik would bother to read even the most basic book on SQL he could answer this himself since this could all be done in a couple of lines of SQL with no loops and no CFML at all. But he'd rather waste everyone else's time instead of spending 10 dollars. So please don't encourage him, Tom. ;-) On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 30 May 2008, erik tom wrote: not return returns a record then do not increase the counter (this part is working) Also if the query.hours eq 0 and query.minutes eq 0 also should not increase the counter cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 and query.hours neq 0 and query.mineutes neq 0 ? -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306716 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Katrina Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been a member of this list for a few years now, but I remember it being a place where even the most beginning person could come for advice. This is a community and not a place for you to show how much more you know than the next guy. I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better responses to any questions you have if you're nice. *Down off my soap box now* ok so this is just my $0.02... It's not unreasonable to expect that when somebody asks for help (asks for you to give up your own time) that they've already made *reasonable* efforts to solve the problem on their own. The How To Ask Questions The Smart Way page (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) is pretty well known for illustrating... well, how to ask questions the smart way. That being said, the person in question has posted numerous times to this list and his questions never seem to indicate that he's even put forth the smallest amount of effort to learn how to do what needs doing. In Brian's defense, he (Brian) has responded to questions posed by Erik numerous times in what I considered to be a fairly courteous manner. He's pointed out the link that I referenced above, he's tried to teach Erik how to figure things out on his own. When you've been doing this for a while (answering questions on mailing lists), you get a sense for who is genuinely making an effort and who is just looking for a quick answer. When it's the latter, you're hesitant to provide that quick answer because you *know* that person will just keep coming back for the quick answer, expecting others to spend their time answering his/her question. Brian's advice (again, IMHO) *has* been good. Very good. Assuming that the person actually has an interest in learning. I like to believe the purpose of lists like this is to teach people. Not to answer questions for (e.g. do the work for) people who don't want to learn. /me passes the soapbox to the next person in line. -- A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him What's wrong? Byte says Parity error. Bartender nods and says Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306721 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0
I think the thing to remember is not everyone reading mailing lists as things come in or worse later down the road in some sort of archives, is not going to always be familiar with the history of users. So depending on the person lashing out, it could bite them in the butt later on. Obviously someone more known in the community though it would be doubtful to bite them but guess it depends on how often they do it. So with that said, sometimes it is best just not to say anything at all if someone is asking questions that annoy people. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Katrina Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been a member of this list for a few years now, but I remember it being a place where even the most beginning person could come for advice. This is a community and not a place for you to show how much more you know than the next guy. I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better responses to any questions you have if you're nice. *Down off my soap box now* ok so this is just my $0.02... It's not unreasonable to expect that when somebody asks for help (asks for you to give up your own time) that they've already made *reasonable* efforts to solve the problem on their own. The How To Ask Questions The Smart Way page (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.htmlhttp://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html) is pretty well known for illustrating... well, how to ask questions the smart way. That being said, the person in question has posted numerous times to this list and his questions never seem to indicate that he's even put forth the smallest amount of effort to learn how to do what needs doing. In Brian's defense, he (Brian) has responded to questions posed by Erik numerous times in what I considered to be a fairly courteous manner. He's pointed out the link that I referenced above, he's tried to teach Erik how to figure things out on his own. When you've been doing this for a while (answering questions on mailing lists), you get a sense for who is genuinely making an effort and who is just looking for a quick answer. When it's the latter, you're hesitant to provide that quick answer because you *know* that person will just keep coming back for the quick answer, expecting others to spend their time answering his/her question. Brian's advice (again, IMHO) *has* been good. Very good. Assuming that the person actually has an interest in learning. I like to believe the purpose of lists like this is to teach people. Not to answer questions for (e.g. do the work for) people who don't want to learn. /me passes the soapbox to the next person in line. -- A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him What's wrong? Byte says Parity error. Bartender nods and says Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306724 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: do not increase counter is returns 0
Then the better option would be to just not reply instead of giving the impression that the list is not friendly to people who ask questions. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:43 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 /* /*On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Katrina Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*wrote: /* I haven't been a member of this list for a few years now, but I remember /*it being a place where even the most beginning person could come for /*advice. This is a community and not a place for you to show how much more /*you know than the next guy. /* I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most /*of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of /*saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't /*respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading /*posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better /*responses to any questions you have if you're nice. /* *Down off my soap box now* /* /*ok so this is just my $0.02... /* /*It's not unreasonable to expect that when somebody asks for help (asks /*for you to give up your own time) that they've already made /**reasonable* efforts to solve the problem on their own. The How To /*Ask Questions The Smart Way page /*(http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html) is pretty well /*known for illustrating... well, how to ask questions the smart way. /* /*That being said, the person in question has posted numerous times to /*this list and his questions never seem to indicate that he's even put /*forth the smallest amount of effort to learn how to do what needs /*doing. In Brian's defense, he (Brian) has responded to questions /*posed by Erik numerous times in what I considered to be a fairly /*courteous manner. He's pointed out the link that I referenced above, /*he's tried to teach Erik how to figure things out on his own. When /*you've been doing this for a while (answering questions on mailing /*lists), you get a sense for who is genuinely making an effort and who /*is just looking for a quick answer. When it's the latter, you're /*hesitant to provide that quick answer because you *know* that person /*will just keep coming back for the quick answer, expecting others to /*spend their time answering his/her question. /* /*Brian's advice (again, IMHO) *has* been good. Very good. Assuming /*that the person actually has an interest in learning. /* /*I like to believe the purpose of lists like this is to teach people. /*Not to answer questions for (e.g. do the work for) people who don't /*want to learn. /* /*/me passes the soapbox to the next person in line. /* /* /*-- /*A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him What's /*wrong? Byte says Parity error. Bartender nods and says Yeah, I /*thought you looked a bit off. /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306730 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I haven't been a member of this list for a few years now, but I remember it being a place where even the most beginning person could come for advice. This is a community and not a place for you to show how much more you know than the next guy. I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better responses to any questions you have if you're nice. Sometimes, the best advice is to say read a book. Brian didn't call Erik an idiot, he just advised Erik to read an SQL book. That might not be the advice the poster wants to receive, but I think it's a fair piece of advice. If you post one or two simple SQL questions to a list, that might not a very appropriate response. If you frequently post similar questions that indicate a basic lack of knowledge of a subject, you should expect responses like that on any list, no matter how much of a community it is. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306734 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Eric Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then the better option would be to just not reply instead of giving the impression that the list is not friendly to people who ask questions. I'll further point out that Brian didn't call anybody names. You, on the other hand, referred to him so eloquently as a butthead. You might want to look at a person's overall contributions to the community before making such a statement on a public forum. -- A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him What's wrong? Byte says Parity error. Bartender nods and says Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306737 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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As your post clearly indicates. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Eric Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please ignore the buttheads Katrina...it is still like that. Eric /*-Original Message- /*From: Katrina Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:17 PM /*To: CF-Talk /*Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 /* /*I haven't been a member of this list for a few years now, but I remember /*it being a place where even the most beginning person could come for /*advice. This is a community and not a place for you to show how much more /*you know than the next guy. /*I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most /*of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of /*saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't /*respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading /*posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better /*responses to any questions you have if you're nice. /**Down off my soap box now* /* Thank you, /*Katrina /* /*If people knew how hard I worked to gain my mastery, /*it wouldn't seem so wonderful after all. /*--Michelangelo /* /* /* /*- Original Message /*From: Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] /*To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com /*Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:37:46 AM /*Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 /* /*If Erik would bother to read even the most basic book on SQL he could /*answer /*this himself since this could all be done in a couple of lines of SQL with /*no loops and no CFML at all. But he'd rather waste everyone else's time /*instead of spending 10 dollars. So please don't encourage him, Tom. ;-) /* /* /*On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Chiverton /*[EMAIL PROTECTED] /*wrote: /* /* On Friday 30 May 2008, erik tom wrote: /* not return returns a record then do not increase the counter (this /*part /* is /* working) Also if the query.hours eq 0 and query.minutes eq 0 also /*should /* not increase the counter /* cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 /* /* cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 and query.hours neq 0 and /*query.mineutes /* neq 0 ? /* -- /* Tom Chiverton /* /* /* /* This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. /* /* Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England /*and /* Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address /*is at /* Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A /* list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. /*Any /* reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of /* Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. /* /* CONFIDENTIALITY /* /* This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and /* may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee /*you /* must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy /*it /* nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its /* existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please /* delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. /* /* For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. /* /* /* /* /* /* ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306742 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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That's the whole point. If he actually spent a fraction of the time that he does asking these kinds of questions and instead just read a book, everyone would benefit. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik, why can't you just exclude those records in the SQL? select hours,minutes from TimesOnline where empID=#EID# and coursename like 'Activity Programming%' and (hours != 0 and minutes != 0) ?? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306743 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Thank you, Charlie. Yes, as you point out, I have tried over and over to explain things to Erik as well as reiterate that what he asks about are things that would be explained in the first few chapters of any book (or even website tutorial) on the subject. Instead, he absolutely refuses to try to learn himself and instead keeps on asking questions. Why? Because people keep answering them. I'm trying to help him AND the list because the current situation is harming both. But to be honest, the fact that Mr. Roberts misses the point completely and resorts to the very ad hominid attacks he condemns is not shocking in the slightest. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok so this is just my $0.02... It's not unreasonable to expect that when somebody asks for help (asks for you to give up your own time) that they've already made *reasonable* efforts to solve the problem on their own. The How To Ask Questions The Smart Way page (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.htmlhttp://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html) is pretty well known for illustrating... well, how to ask questions the smart way. That being said, the person in question has posted numerous times to this list and his questions never seem to indicate that he's even put forth the smallest amount of effort to learn how to do what needs doing. In Brian's defense, he (Brian) has responded to questions posed by Erik numerous times in what I considered to be a fairly courteous manner. He's pointed out the link that I referenced above, he's tried to teach Erik how to figure things out on his own. When you've been doing this for a while (answering questions on mailing lists), you get a sense for who is genuinely making an effort and who is just looking for a quick answer. When it's the latter, you're hesitant to provide that quick answer because you *know* that person will just keep coming back for the quick answer, expecting others to spend their time answering his/her question. Brian's advice (again, IMHO) *has* been good. Very good. Assuming that the person actually has an interest in learning. I like to believe the purpose of lists like this is to teach people. Not to answer questions for (e.g. do the work for) people who don't want to learn. /me passes the soapbox to the next person in line. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306744 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Eric Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then the better option would be to just not reply instead of giving the impression that the list is not friendly to people who ask questions. Not answering is not helpful. Suggesting that reading a book on SQL is helpful (as Dave says, even if it's not the answer the poster wants to hear). -- A byte walks into a bar and orders a pint. Bartender asks him What's wrong? Byte says Parity error. Bartender nods and says Yeah, I thought you looked a bit off. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306735 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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The list is and should be friendly to people who ask questions. The list should not, however, be friendly to people who repeatedly ignore help and advice and instead continue to ask the same class of questions over and over, relying on the charity of others rather than spending any effort resolving the underlying problem. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Eric Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then the better option would be to just not reply instead of giving the impression that the list is not friendly to people who ask questions. Eric ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306747 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better responses to any questions you have if you're nice. -- Normally I do not get involved with this sort of thing but I feel the need to offer my unsolicited opinion. ;) Katrina I agree with you 100% in spirit. There are a lot of ugly communities on the web where people are flat out mean to each other, and I hate that with a passion. All in all, this is a very good group of people. IMHO, the CF community is one of the best on the net. There is some bickering here and there but in general most everyone here is extremely helpful and very polite. Often time people go *way out their way* to help people. Not to mention that some people here are down right brilliant. With that said, before you pass judgment on Brian, please take a moment to review at the questions that Erik Tom posts here. I think you will find that nearly all of them are poorly thought out, poorly worded, full of horrendous grammar and spelling errors and at times don't even make sense. It is as if he doesn't care. Look, we are talking about a guy who forwarded a Nigerian Lotto scam email to this list. People come here to learn and share their knowledge with the community. This list is a two way street. If you expect someone to take the time to answer your question please be respectful enough to take the time to ask a thoughtful, well worded question. Or at least Google it or crack open a book or RTM before post to a list. We are talking Netiquette 101. Respectfully, Gerald -- The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to discover new ways of thinking about them. - Sir William Bragg ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306753 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
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Gerald, Regarding grammar and writing skill (and forgive me because I don't know this) but is it possible there is a language barrier here? The subject line above reminds me of someone for whom English is possibly a second language. I don't know Erick but I certainly don't want to chase people away from the community on the basis of grammar if they already know (at least) one more language than I do :) -Mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 3:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better responses to any questions you have if you're nice. -- Normally I do not get involved with this sort of thing but I feel the need to offer my unsolicited opinion. ;) Katrina I agree with you 100% in spirit. There are a lot of ugly communities on the web where people are flat out mean to each other, and I hate that with a passion. All in all, this is a very good group of people. IMHO, the CF community is one of the best on the net. There is some bickering here and there but in general most everyone here is extremely helpful and very polite. Often time people go *way out their way* to help people. Not to mention that some people here are down right brilliant. With that said, before you pass judgment on Brian, please take a moment to review at the questions that Erik Tom posts here. I think you will find that nearly all of them are poorly thought out, poorly worded, full of horrendous grammar and spelling errors and at times don't even make sense. It is as if he doesn't care. Look, we are talking about a guy who forwarded a Nigerian Lotto scam email to this list. People come here to learn and share their knowledge with the community. This list is a two way street. If you expect someone to take the time to answer your question please be respectful enough to take the time to ask a thoughtful, well worded question. Or at least Google it or crack open a book or RTM before post to a list. We are talking Netiquette 101. Respectfully, Gerald -- The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to discover new ways of thinking about them. - Sir William Bragg ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306761 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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True. I have wondered that too. I actually thought the same thing right after I sent the email. I don't want to chase off ppl either. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Mark Kruger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gerald, Regarding grammar and writing skill (and forgive me because I don't know this) but is it possible there is a language barrier here? The subject line above reminds me of someone for whom English is possibly a second language. I don't know Erick but I certainly don't want to chase people away from the community on the basis of grammar if they already know (at least) one more language than I do :) -Mark Mark A. Kruger, CFG, MCSE (402) 408-3733 ext 105 www.cfwebtools.com www.coldfusionmuse.com www.necfug.com -- The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to discover new ways of thinking about them. - Sir William Bragg ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306766 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
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I want to thank Gerald for his thoughtful post to this discussion. I did not understand the history behind these emails and this discussion was very unsettling. Gerald's email helped me better understand what led up to today's discussion. The only thing I want to add is that while a post may be directed at one person, it can be read by everyone and misunderstood by anyone. And not only can anyone read every post, any post can be making a first impression to a new visitor. I nearly didn't ask my first question a month ago because I was intimidated by a similar exchange. I personally appreciate every question asked and every answer provided in assistance. Since joining this list I have learned a lot from the simple questions that people post. I occasionally see a question that I can answer and then I will see an answer that is better than one I would have given or did give. I would like to thank you all for the assistance you provide. Brian -Original Message- From: Gerald Guido [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better responses to any questions you have if you're nice. -- Normally I do not get involved with this sort of thing but I feel the need to offer my unsolicited opinion. ;) Katrina I agree with you 100% in spirit. There are a lot of ugly communities on the web where people are flat out mean to each other, and I hate that with a passion. All in all, this is a very good group of people. IMHO, the CF community is one of the best on the net. There is some bickering here and there but in general most everyone here is extremely helpful and very polite. Often time people go *way out their way* to help people. Not to mention that some people here are down right brilliant. With that said, before you pass judgment on Brian, please take a moment to review at the questions that Erik Tom posts here. I think you will find that nearly all of them are poorly thought out, poorly worded, full of horrendous grammar and spelling errors and at times don't even make sense. It is as if he doesn't care. Look, we are talking about a guy who forwarded a Nigerian Lotto scam email to this list. People come here to learn and share their knowledge with the community. This list is a two way street. If you expect someone to take the time to answer your question please be respectful enough to take the time to ask a thoughtful, well worded question. Or at least Google it or crack open a book or RTM before post to a list. We are talking Netiquette 101. Respectfully, Gerald -- The important thing in science is not so much to obtain new facts as to discover new ways of thinking about them. - Sir William Bragg ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306767 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0
Katrina, I held off responding to you to wait for the other replies that I knew would be coming. Hopefully by this point you realize that your comments to me were rather far off the mark, and that folks with knowledge of this ongoing situation actually agree with me. I assume you must not have known what has gone on with Erik and hopefully these additional postings have supplied the context that my initial reply did not. But even still, I neither called him an idiot nor attempted to show how much more I know than the next guy. I would humbly ask that in the future, before you condemn me or put words in my mouth that you please make sure you aren't missing essential background information. I promise to do the same. ;-) Thanks, Brian On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Katrina Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been a member of this list for a few years now, but I remember it being a place where even the most beginning person could come for advice. This is a community and not a place for you to show how much more you know than the next guy. I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better responses to any questions you have if you're nice. *Down off my soap box now* Thank you, Katrina If people knew how hard I worked to gain my mastery, it wouldn't seem so wonderful after all. --Michelangelo - Original Message From: Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:37:46 AM Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 If Erik would bother to read even the most basic book on SQL he could answer this himself since this could all be done in a couple of lines of SQL with no loops and no CFML at all. But he'd rather waste everyone else's time instead of spending 10 dollars. So please don't encourage him, Tom. ;-) On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 30 May 2008, erik tom wrote: not return returns a record then do not increase the counter (this part is working) Also if the query.hours eq 0 and query.minutes eq 0 also should not increase the counter cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 and query.hours neq 0 and query.mineutes neq 0 ? -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306777 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 Apology to List
I apologize for having posted this to the list. It was intended to be a private post directly to Brian. I was a little upset at the time that I wrote the post. This is not an excuse but an explanation for my not changing the recipient. I however stand by my original message. While you didn't actually use the word idiot the underlying message, at least how I read it, was that you were condemning Erik for either being too stupid or too lazy to read even the most basic book on SQL. To me that's the same thing. It also implies that YOU HAVE read the most basic book on SQL and therefore know more than the next guy. I have found, on the MANY different lists that I have belonged to, that if you ignore the kind of people you all have described they eventually go away. They might post the same questions over and over and over again for a little while but they eventually leave. They might even throw a fit about not getting any help. So what? Who cares? Instead of posting about how we shouldn't help this person because we have already tried and tried to help them and they just don't get it, ignore them. I'm sure there is going to be more flaming for this response. However I felt that I needed to explain my reaction earlier and again apologize to the rest of the list for this public discussion that should have been private.Thank you, Katrina If people knew how hard I worked to gain my mastery, it wouldn't seem so wonderful after all. --Michelangelo - Original Message From: Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 5:35:40 PM Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 Katrina, I held off responding to you to wait for the other replies that I knew would be coming. Hopefully by this point you realize that your comments to me were rather far off the mark, and that folks with knowledge of this ongoing situation actually agree with me. I assume you must not have known what has gone on with Erik and hopefully these additional postings have supplied the context that my initial reply did not. But even still, I neither called him an idiot nor attempted to show how much more I know than the next guy. I would humbly ask that in the future, before you condemn me or put words in my mouth that you please make sure you aren't missing essential background information. I promise to do the same. ;-) Thanks, Brian On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Katrina Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't been a member of this list for a few years now, but I remember it being a place where even the most beginning person could come for advice. This is a community and not a place for you to show how much more you know than the next guy. I really don't think this response is appropriate and I'm sure that most of the community feels the same way. How about next time instead of saying You're an idiot, you either give some good advice or don't respond? That way there's no waste of everyone else's time reading posts that aren't helpful. You might also find that you'll get better responses to any questions you have if you're nice. *Down off my soap box now* Thank you, Katrina If people knew how hard I worked to gain my mastery, it wouldn't seem so wonderful after all. --Michelangelo - Original Message From: Brian Kotek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 9:37:46 AM Subject: Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 If Erik would bother to read even the most basic book on SQL he could answer this himself since this could all be done in a couple of lines of SQL with no loops and no CFML at all. But he'd rather waste everyone else's time instead of spending 10 dollars. So please don't encourage him, Tom. ;-) On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 30 May 2008, erik tom wrote: not return returns a record then do not increase the counter (this part is working) Also if the query.hours eq 0 and query.minutes eq 0 also should not increase the counter cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 cfif getTimeAvg1.recordcount gt 0 and query.hours neq 0 and query.mineutes neq 0 ? -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by The Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential
Re: do not increase counter is returns 0 Apology to List
Seeing as how *I* was not the person who initially responded to Erik, and how my message also advocated *exactly* what you are proposing (ignoring him), I don't understand at all what you're trying to say or why I am somehow the target of your indignation. Regardless, I'll let this thread die now since you seem content to reject the olive branch I was trying to extend. Sorry you disagree with me, but given the long chain of events related to this (which you seem to be ignoring or are still not aware of), I can tell you with certainty that I would say the same thing again without hesitation. On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Katrina Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I apologize for having posted this to the list. It was intended to be a private post directly to Brian. I was a little upset at the time that I wrote the post. This is not an excuse but an explanation for my not changing the recipient. I however stand by my original message. While you didn't actually use the word idiot the underlying message, at least how I read it, was that you were condemning Erik for either being too stupid or too lazy to read even the most basic book on SQL. To me that's the same thing. It also implies that YOU HAVE read the most basic book on SQL and therefore know more than the next guy. I have found, on the MANY different lists that I have belonged to, that if you ignore the kind of people you all have described they eventually go away. They might post the same questions over and over and over again for a little while but they eventually leave. They might even throw a fit about not getting any help. So what? Who cares? Instead of posting about how we shouldn't help this person because we have already tried and tried to help them and they just don't get it, ignore them. I'm sure there is going to be more flaming for this response. However I felt that I needed to explain my reaction earlier and again apologize to the rest of the list for this public discussion that should have been private.Thank you, Katrina ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;192386516;25150098;k Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:306790 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
