RE: eWeek Article about CF on Linux

[Cary Gordon]

Of course, you are correct, and this is the key to my complaint, and to the 
complaints proffered by many other developers.

MM is trying to fly by the seat of their marketing strategy rather than 
cultivating developers - the folks that have to buy in for them to actually 
make sales.

"There is a simple answer to every question, and it is usually wrong..."

Occam's Toothbrush

At 03:56 PM 12/4/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: RE: eWeek Article about CF on Linux
>To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>I think the strategy is that folks running solaris environments tend to be
>larger firms and be willing to spend the bucks for "Enterprise" software. On
>the flip side of that the demand for Pro would be significantly less for
>Solaris customers and it saves them development time and cuts rollout costs.
>
>Not saying I agree but that may be there logic...There isn't much we use in
>the Enterprise version besides the drivers...
>
>Stace
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Cary Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:02 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: eWeek Article about CF on Linux
>
>
> --- snip ---


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RE: eWeek Article about CF on Linux

[Stacy Young]

I think the strategy is that folks running solaris environments tend to be
larger firms and be willing to spend the bucks for "Enterprise" software. On
the flip side of that the demand for Pro would be significantly less for
Solaris customers and it saves them development time and cuts rollout costs.

Not saying I agree but that may be there logic...There isn't much we use in
the Enterprise version besides the drivers...

Stace

-Original Message-
From: Cary Gordon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 3:02 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: eWeek Article about CF on Linux




One of the subtexts here is the utter bankruptcy of MM's approach to 
application servers.

In order to productize CFMX for application servers, they have put the 
relationship between CF and the Java App Server into a black box.

Why?  To prevent users of the standard editions from getting some of the 
"added functionaltiy" of the ColdFusion MX for J2EE packages for free.

Why?  Because they can charge a hefty premium for the J2EE version.

Why?  Because they assume that anyone running one of these servers has 
money to burn.

This is the same approach that they take to CF on Solaris, which is only 
available in an Enterprise version.

I have 9 Sun Fire VL100's deployed with Solaris 8.  These machines each 
cost about $1500 all up with the OS, Netscape One, etc. No way am I going to spend 
$4,999 apiece - over nine times the cost of CF on Windows or Linux 
- to run CF on these boxes.  For $45,000, We are more than happy to learn php...

The MM server line makes no sense to me.  Who can explain the rational for buying 
Flash Remoting MX  for $1k when that functionality is built into CF pro at $800 or 
JRun at $900?

I think that MM needs to simplify it's product line and unbundle all of the features 
in CF Enterprise and CF for J2EE.  If I need sandbox security or a 
Type IV driver for Oracle, I will cheerfully pay for it.  Just don't make me pay for 
it on my appliance server...



At 09:06 AM 12/4/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Are these valid complaints from the CF Linux/Unix community?
>
>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,741132,00.asp
><http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,741132,00.asp>
>
>
>Ryan Kime
>  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web 
>Developer Webco Industries



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RE: eWeek Article about CF on Linux

[Matt Liotta]

> The MM server line makes no sense to me.  Who can explain the rational
for
> buying Flash Remoting MX  for $1k when that functionality is built
into CF
> pro at $800 or JRun at $900?
> 
I understand that if one reads Macromedia's web site they get the
impression that Flash Remoting J2EE is simply bundled with CF and JRun.
However, that is not the case as the version that comes embedded with
CFMX is functionally different than the J2EE version. Worse, the CFMX
for J2EE release notes specifically advise one to remove the JRun
version of Flash Remoting, so it doesn't conflict with the CF one.

-Matt

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Re: eWeek Article about CF on Linux

[Cary Gordon]

One of the subtexts here is the utter bankruptcy of MM's approach to 
application servers.

In order to productize CFMX for application servers, they have put the 
relationship between CF and the Java App Server into a black box.

Why?  To prevent users of the standard editions from getting some of the 
"added functionaltiy" of the ColdFusion MX for J2EE packages for free.

Why?  Because they can charge a hefty premium for the J2EE version.

Why?  Because they assume that anyone running one of these servers has 
money to burn.

This is the same approach that they take to CF on Solaris, which is only 
available in an Enterprise version.

I have 9 Sun Fire VL100's deployed with Solaris 8.  These machines each 
cost about $1500 all up with the OS, Netscape One, etc. No way am I going 
to spend $4,999 apiece - over nine times the cost of CF on Windows or Linux 
- to run CF on these boxes.  For $45,000, We are more than happy to learn 
php...

The MM server line makes no sense to me.  Who can explain the rational for 
buying Flash Remoting MX  for $1k when that functionality is built into CF 
pro at $800 or JRun at $900?

I think that MM needs to simplify it's product line and unbundle all of the 
features in CF Enterprise and CF for J2EE.  If I need sandbox security or a 
Type IV driver for Oracle, I will cheerfully pay for it.  Just don't make 
me pay for it on my appliance server...



At 09:06 AM 12/4/2002 -0600, you wrote:
>Are these valid complaints from the CF Linux/Unix community?
>
>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,741132,00.asp
>
>
>
>Ryan Kime
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Web Developer
>Webco Industries


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RE: eWeek Article about CF on Linux

[Christine Lawson]

We actually have been successfully helping customers through this (see steps taken for 
success at 
http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=489312). 
Most of the issues have stemmed from non-supported versions of Linux and also 
adjusting the Minhandler setting (bug 48435). 

If anyone does have this issue with CFMX on Linux I'd *highly* suggest you call into 
Tech Support or post your details to the above thread so we can assist you.

Regards,
Christine Lawson
Macromedia


Original Message-
From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: eWeek Article about CF on Linux


Yes, see
http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=415411&STARTPAGE=1
 for an example of the complaints.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:07 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: eWeek Article about CF on Linux
> 
> Are these valid complaints from the CF Linux/Unix community?
> 
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,741132,00.asp
> <http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,741132,00.asp>
> 
> 
> Ryan Kime
>  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web Developer
> Webco Industries
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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RE: eWeek Article about CF on Linux

[Matt Liotta]

Yes, see
http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=10&thre
adid=415411&STARTPAGE=1 for an example of the complaints.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
888-408-0900 x901

> -Original Message-
> From: Ryan Kime [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 10:07 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: eWeek Article about CF on Linux
> 
> Are these valid complaints from the CF Linux/Unix community?
> 
> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,741132,00.asp
> 
> 
> 
> Ryan Kime
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Web Developer
> Webco Industries
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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