Re: Anyone looking for a java WYSIWYG online textarea replacement...
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 14:18:16 -0500, Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Found this one this morning.I have to say, it is pretty small. http://www.kevinroth.com/rte/demo.htm Unfortunately, this one doesn't create standards-compliant html. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Bonjour Claude I think we are both coming at this thing the same, but just from a slightly different direction. I agree with almost everything you say, but personally I would prefer to see the standard layed down agree by all before it is implemented. Implementing something without telling anyone else first is where the problems come from. I agree the standard should be expanded and improved upon, of course as technology so the standard in to expand to include new things, but simply sitting there and going, oh this is a good idea i'll stick that in simply isn't a good way forward for the developer community. I think the W3C need to take more external advice from developer how actually have to use their standards in day to work, not just from the people that make the browser products like MS and Mozilla. BTW, you English is excellent... Andrew. - Original Message - From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:05:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a java WYSIWYG online textarea replacement... To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree that the Mozilla documentation is poor, maybe if you feel that strongly you could offer to help write some, If I were one of the author, I sure would do. But not being one of them, I would need docs to learn how it works first. ;-) The problem with Mozilla is that they refer you to the W3C docs, but these are even worse. I don't agree that sticking to the standard should mean expanding upon it. I stick to the French language standard as much as I can. But I'm also able to use English, ... well at least I do my best ;-) The standard is there so the people like us whole program DHTML in the browser know that if you use a command in one browser it will work in all browsers that comply with the standard in the same way. Exact, this is why those who write standard have a big responsability: make a standard that makes sense. W3C standard does not. Just to cite a few flaws: - no block elements are not resizable (ie: span) Why? Is it so difficult to implement? IE was able to resize non block elements even before the standard was written. - no integer values for element dimensions (ie: pixelLeft, etc.). in order to work on them, one must parse text properties that include units at the end. Now this is really ridiculous, DHTML is supposed to be done by programming or what? Expanding on the standard only causes problem as IE has shown. Adding extra stuff only causes programmers problem, Again, I agree with that, but not when adding extra stuff is need to palliate a lack of functionality in the standard. Take for instance WYSIWYG HTML editors, the unbeilivable number of available species proves there is a need for them, it is a shame there is nothing in the standard to make one. Microsoft has implemented HSTML editing with the execCommand method. Now Mozilla has implemented similar facilities (although not as functional), and this is not in the standard. And last but not least (See my English, wow! ;-) the role of any standard is NOT to show the way, it is to set a common basic practice for everybody. If everybody was strictly complying to standard, there would be NO standard, and nothing to standardize. It is thanks to developers who make extras that new ideas can come and enrich standards. When Netscape -- a great company before it was swallowed by AOL -- brought us _javascript_, it was NOT standard, now _javascript_ is part of the standard, for the benefit of all of us. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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I think the W3C need to take more external advice from developer how actually have to use their standards in day to work, not just from the people that make the browser products like MS and Mozilla. I'll second that. Now, as far as HTML and _javascript_ standards are concerned, and about the way they have been settled, I think one must not forget a long history of more or less fair competition between Netscape and Microsoft. Both these compagnies were members in the standard comitees, and both were defending their approach. And at the time it happened, it was really a war between them. But Netscape was still strong enough, and a couple of things they were not able to do have been specified as should not do in the standard. I remember in another life, I used to be a member in an ISO comitee for vocabulary in computer graphics. Microsoft was not even a project, and Bill Gates was probabily still sucking his Pablum in these days, but IBM, Xerox, etc. were omnipresent and fighting each others every minute. BTW, you English is excellent... Thanks, I do my best to stick to standards and I have a good documentation ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Same old same old... commercial differences always get in the way of progress. If everyone in the world worked together on everything and shared all knowledge the we would probably have made more advances then we have and be a much better place. Vive La Monde!!! (not sure that is completely right!!!) Andrew. - Original Message - From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 07:05:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a java WYSIWYG online textarea replacement... To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think the W3C need to take more external advice from developer how actually have to use their standards in day to work, not just from the people that make the browser products like MS and Mozilla. I'll second that. Now, as far as HTML and _javascript_ standards are concerned, and about the way they have been settled, I think one must not forget a long history of more or less fair competition between Netscape and Microsoft. Both these compagnies were members in the standard comitees, and both were defending their approach. And at the time it happened, it was really a war between them. But Netscape was still strong enough, and a couple of things they were not able to do have been specified as should not do in the standard. I remember in another life, I used to be a member in an ISO comitee for vocabulary in computer graphics. Microsoft was not even a project, and Bill Gates was probabily still sucking his Pablum in these days, but IBM, Xerox, etc. were omnipresent and fighting each others every minute. BTW, you English is excellent... Thanks, I do my best to stick to standards and I have a good documentation ;-) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Vive La Monde!!! (not sure that is completely right!!!) Almost: LE monde ;-)) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Ok... only a guess anyway!!! Andrew. - Original Message - From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 07:21:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a java WYSIWYG online textarea replacement... To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vive La Monde!!! (not sure that is completely right!!!) Almost: LE monde ;-)) -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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I thought this could be the ONE initially, but if fails the Word Cut Paste test miserably.Every time I'd cut and paste, I'd end up with multiple copies of different parts of the text. Oh well, back to searching for the text editor nirvana. -Original Message- From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Anyone looking for a java WYSIWYG online textarea replacement... I just stumbled upon this - very impressive. Open Source of course - supports dragging images and a bunch of other groovy items. Doesn't seem to work on Safari, but works great on FireFox etc http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ -- ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~open source XML database~ http://ashpool.sourceforge.net [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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This is another open source one. This one is _javascript_ and works in IE on PC and all version of Mozilla on all platforms. This includes Firefox. http://sourceforge.net/projects/itools-htmlarea/ Andrew. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Andrew Dixon wrote: This is another open source one. This one is _javascript_ and works in IE on PC and all version of Mozilla on all platforms. This includes Firefox. http://sourceforge.net/projects/itools-htmlarea/ One of the problems I've had with html area was the exceptionally slow development.It's been in beta for like 2 years... I see they have RC1 published there from February. There were a lot of bugs in the beta version when I used it, and the responsiveness about fixing things was poor.That's when I switched to FCKEditor.Though I don't think their development is much faster, their Mozilla-compatible version has been in beta since June 1. =) - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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There were a lot of bugs in the beta version when I used it, and the responsiveness about fixing things was poor. There are many reasons for all those tools being buggy, I know for having developed my own which I'm yet not quite satisfied with: - on the microsoft side, the functions invoqued have a nasty habit of trying to guess what you want and adds or deletes many features and HTML code automatically from your work, somehow the same way they create HTML code from a word document. - on the Mozilla side, the documentation is so ridiculously poor, it is even insulting. - they pretend they stick to the W3C standard, but they interpret complying to a standard as do not do anything whitch is not in the standard. This is dumb, A standard must be seen as a MINIMUM, not a maximum. - the W3C standard itself is dumb. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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There is also The List http://www.bris.ac.uk/is/projects/cms/ttw/ttw.html#composite Jim Louis There were a lot of bugs in the beta version when I used it, and the responsiveness about fixing things was poor. There are many reasons for all those tools being buggy, I know for having developed my own which I'm yet not quite satisfied with: - on the microsoft side, the functions invoqued have a nasty habit of trying to guess what you want and adds or deletes many features and HTML code automatically from your work, somehow the same way they create HTML code from a word document. - on the Mozilla side, the documentation is so ridiculously poor, it is even insulting. - they pretend they stick to the W3C standard, but they interpret complying to a standard as do not do anything whitch is not in the standard. This is dumb, A standard must be seen as a MINIMUM, not a maximum. - the W3C standard itself is dumb. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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editor nirvana == disallow Word (and like nirvana the odds of that happening are slim :-D) On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:00:25 -0500, Marlon Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought this could be the ONE initially, but if fails the Word Cut Paste test miserably.Every time I'd cut and paste, I'd end up with multiple copies of different parts of the text. Oh well, back to searching for the text editor nirvana. -Original Message- From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Anyone looking for a java WYSIWYG online textarea replacement... I just stumbled upon this - very impressive. Open Source of course - supports dragging images and a bunch of other groovy items. Doesn't seem to work on Safari, but works great on FireFox etc http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ -- ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~open source XML database~ http://ashpool.sourceforge.net [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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What do you want for free - a rubber biscuit? On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:22:50 -0400, Rick Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew Dixon wrote: This is another open source one. This one is _javascript_ and works in IE on PC and all version of Mozilla on all platforms. This includes Firefox. http://sourceforge.net/projects/itools-htmlarea/ One of the problems I've had with html area was the exceptionally slow development.It's been in beta for like 2 years... I see they have RC1 published there from February. There were a lot of bugs in the beta version when I used it, and the responsiveness about fixing things was poor.That's when I switched to FCKEditor.Though I don't think their development is much faster, their Mozilla-compatible version has been in beta since June 1. =) - Rick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Found this one this morning.I have to say, it is pretty small. http://www.kevinroth.com/rte/demo.htm -Original Message- From: Andrew Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:06 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a java WYSIWYG online textarea replacement... This is another open source one. This one is _javascript_ and works in IE on PC and all version of Mozilla on all platforms. This includes Firefox. http://sourceforge.net/projects/itools-htmlarea/ Andrew. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Hi. I'm sure I would agree with some of your remarks about the standards. I agree that the Mozilla documentation is poor, maybe if you feel that strongly you could offer to help write some, I'm sure they would more than welcome the help. However, I don't agree that sticking to the standard should mean expanding upon it. The standard is there so the people like us whole program DHTML in the browser know that if you use a command in one browser it will work in all browsers that comply with the standard in the same way. Expanding on the standard only causes problem as IE has shown. Adding extra stuff only causes programmers problem, because you do something wizzy and cool in one browser only to find it doesn't work in the other because that function or feature doesn't exist in the other browser. Andrew. - Original Message - From: Claude Schneegans [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 12:52:42 -0400 Subject: Re: Anyone looking for a java WYSIWYG online textarea replacement... To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] There were a lot of bugs in the beta version when I used it, and the responsiveness about fixing things was poor. There are many reasons for all those tools being buggy, I know for having developed my own which I'm yet not quite satisfied with: - on the microsoft side, the functions invoqued have a nasty habit of trying to guess what you want and adds or deletes many features and HTML code automatically from your work, somehow the same way they create HTML code from a word document. - on the Mozilla side, the documentation is so ridiculously poor, it is even insulting. - they pretend they stick to the W3C standard, but they interpret complying to a standard as do not do anything whitch is not in the standard. This is dumb, A standard must be seen as a MINIMUM, not a maximum. - the W3C standard itself is dumb. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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I agree that the Mozilla documentation is poor, maybe if you feel that strongly you could offer to help write some, If I were one of the author, I sure would do. But not being one of them, I would need docs to learn how it works first. ;-) The problem with Mozilla is that they refer you to the W3C docs, but these are even worse. I don't agree that sticking to the standard should mean expanding upon it. I stick to the French language standard as much as I can. But I'm also able to use English, ... well at least I do my best ;-) The standard is there so the people like us whole program DHTML in the browser know that if you use a command in one browser it will work in all browsers that comply with the standard in the same way. Exact, this is why those who write standard have a big responsability: make a standard that makes sense. W3C standard does not. Just to cite a few flaws: - no block elements are not resizable (ie: span) Why? Is it so difficult to implement? IE was able to resize non block elements even before the standard was written. - no integer values for element dimensions (ie: pixelLeft, etc.). in order to work on them, one must parse text properties that include units at the end. Now this is really ridiculous, DHTML is supposed to be done by programming or what? Expanding on the standard only causes problem as IE has shown. Adding extra stuff only causes programmers problem, Again, I agree with that, but not when adding extra stuff is need to palliate a lack of functionality in the standard. Take for instance WYSIWYG HTML editors, the unbeilivable number of available species proves there is a need for them, it is a shame there is nothing in the standard to make one. Microsoft has implemented HSTML editing with the execCommand method. Now Mozilla has implemented similar facilities (although not as functional), and this is not in the standard. And last but not least (See my English, wow! ;-) the role of any standard is NOT to show the way, it is to set a common basic practice for everybody. If everybody was strictly complying to standard, there would be NO standard, and nothing to standardize. It is thanks to developers who make extras that new ideas can come and enrich standards. When Netscape -- a great company before it was swallowed by AOL -- brought us _javascript_, it was NOT standard, now _javascript_ is part of the standard, for the benefit of all of us. -- ___ REUSE CODE! Use custom tags; See http://www.contentbox.com/claude/customtags/tagstore.cfm (Please send any spam to this address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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We've currently told them that Word produces proprietary markup that is pretty much incompatible with anything but itself - and though they've accepted that for now, they are still asking for clean cut and paste from Word into their admin pages. Hi Les, give this one a try: http://www.massimocorner.com/beta/cf_xhtmleditor.mxp It's not as features rich as FCK, it was designed with one single goal in mind, turning Word's crappy pasted HTML into something lean and clean. Massimo Foti http://www.massimocorner.com [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just stumbled upon this - very impressive. Open Source of course - supports dragging images and a bunch of other groovy items. Doesn't seem to work on Safari, but works great on FireFox etc http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've implemented FCKEditor on a few of my sites and have been *really* impressed. http://www.fckeditor.net/ I tried to install fckeditor in a Fusebox 3 app, and while the editor displayed fine, when I submitted the form the field's contents weren't passed across. I also tried out HTMLArea, and while it worked, it seemed kind of buggy in Firefox - lots of flickering. I just tried tinymce, and wow. It is absolutely awesome, best I've seen. A little bit of flickering in Firefox, but nowhere near as bad as HTMLArea, and it actually has documentation, which is somewhat unusual :) -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com/ [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:03:36 -0700, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just stumbled upon this - very impressive. Open Source of course - supports dragging images and a bunch of other groovy items. Doesn't seem to work on Safari, but works great on FireFox etc http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ I've implemented FCKEditor on a few of my sites and have been *really* impressed. http://www.fckeditor.net/ Hatton [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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It's not free (though not very expensive) but I like KTML3: http://www.interaktonline.com Regards, Howie - Original Message - From: Rob To: CF-Talk Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:03 PM Subject: Anyone looking for a java WYSIWYG online textarea replacement... I just stumbled upon this - very impressive. Open Source of course - supports dragging images and a bunch of other groovy items. Doesn't seem to work on Safari, but works great on FireFox etc http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ -- ~The cfml plug-in for eclipse~ http://cfeclipse.tigris.org ~open source xslt IDE~ http://treebeard.sourceforge.net ~open source XML database~ http://ashpool.sourceforge.net [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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FCK is cool, but stable is windows only. On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:11:43 -0400, C. Hatton Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:03:36 -0700, Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just stumbled upon this - very impressive. Open Source of course - supports dragging images and a bunch of other groovy items. Doesn't seem to work on Safari, but works great on FireFox etc http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ I've implemented FCKEditor on a few of my sites and have been *really* impressed. http://www.fckeditor.net/ Hatton [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Rob wrote: FCK is cool, but stable is windows only. I installed a number of instances of FCK on the admin side of a law firm's site. I'm going to have to rip it out and replace it soon though. Everybody in the firm does EVERYTHING in MS Word 2003. Guess what you can't cut and paste from into FCK? Right... We've currently told them that Word produces proprietary markup that is pretty much incompatible with anything but itself - and though they've accepted that for now, they are still asking for clean cut and paste from Word into their admin pages. Uhhh...save as text, not a Word doc, *then* cut and paste! That's about the only way to get it to work. It's a shame to, because as long as you're creating the content inside FCK, it's a great little editor. -- Les Mizzell --- A vanta as mr relyar! Nai eleni siluvar antalyannar! --- [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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On Aug 28, 2004, at 3:03 PM, Rob wrote: Doesn't seem to work on Safari Ya' know, this really bugs me! (pisses me off, actually). Apple claims that it is a fully-standards-compatible modern browser -- yet the really cool things (Neuromancer, etc.) don't work. Why? Is Apple doing its own thing thumbing their nose at the rest of us? AFAIK, only MSFT can get away that things, they are a changing! Dick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
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Well, to be fair Neuromancer doesn't quite uses any standard lib calls; however, I agree with you on the java part of it. Safari crashes half the time I view an applet, they can't all be lamely coded :) On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 18:29:25 -0700, Dick Applebaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 28, 2004, at 3:03 PM, Rob wrote: Doesn't seem to work on Safari Ya' know, this really bugs me! (pisses me off, actually). Apple claims that it is a fully-standards-compatible modern browser -- yet the really cool things (Neuromancer, etc.) don't work. Why? Is Apple doing its own thing thumbing their nose at the rest of us? AFAIK, only MSFT can get away that things, they are a changing! Dick [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]
