Re: BOLT!
I also haven't received any news, but if it's anything like with other Adobe NDA's anyone in the beta wouldn't be able to tell you that they are :P. Francois Levesque http://blog.critical-web.com/ On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jose Diaz bleached...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy? Jose Diaz ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321725 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: BOLT!
Hi, Jose... I applied for beta participation, too, but was apparently turned down. I also expected news from Adobe sooner than this. Disappointed so far... Rick On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jose Diaz bleached...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy? Jose Diaz ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321726 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: BOLT!
I think that there are a bunch of people in that boat, who applied and have not been notified... Rob On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote: Hi, Jose... I applied for beta participation, too, but was apparently turned down. I also expected news from Adobe sooner than this. Disappointed so far... Rick On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jose Diaz bleached...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy? Jose Diaz ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321727 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
RE: BOLT!
Several of my coworkers were overheard talking about being on the Bolt beta months ago. I'm pretty sure the beta's been out since like Jan or Feb. andy -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:16 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: BOLT! Hi, Jose... I applied for beta participation, too, but was apparently turned down. I also expected news from Adobe sooner than this. Disappointed so far... Rick On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Jose Diaz bleached...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy? Jose Diaz ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321729 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: BOLT!
I don't think Bolt has gone into Beta yet. Doesn't Adobe usually do a big announcement when a product's Beta testing starts? (They certainly did with Flex 3!) It's my understanding that right now they're just allowing people to put their name on the list for when it finally does go into Beta. All they say on Labs is BETA APPLICATIONS NOW BEING ACCEPTED!. It doesn't say the Beta has started. http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Bolt Thanks, Eric Cobb Certified Macromedia ColdFusion MX 7 Developer http://www.cfgears.com Jose Diaz wrote: Hello All, I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy? Jose Diaz ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321731 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: BOLT!
I applied a long time ago and haven't heard anything as of yet either. Eric On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Jose Diaz bleached...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy? Jose Diaz ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321735 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: BOLT!
Adam Lehman posted somewhere, about a month ago, a brief update. Since Bolt is not start on the same dev cycle as the next CF version it is not as fully developed yet. They are working hard to get it up to speed. I suspect they are really hoping to release it a the same time the release the next version of CF, but I do not know that. Wil On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: I applied a long time ago and haven't heard anything as of yet either. Eric On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Jose Diaz bleached...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, I have applied to Adobe for the Bolt beta but not heard a peep. Has anybody had any news on when we can get to play with the new shiney toy? Jose Diaz ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321740 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: BOLT!
I'm probably going to get in trouble for this.. but I can tell you with absolute certainty, the public beta has not been released yet. Very few people outside of Adobe have gotten their hands on Bolt yet. Be patient, when it's ready they'll open it up to the public beta. The only reason I'm saying this is I know your pain... Waiting for something super cool like this is a killer.. especially when you don't hear anything one way or the other... =] -- Alan Rother Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321743 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
RE: BOLT!
We have one copy running in house... Can't say more or I'd have to do something terrible to you with Jell-O and a duck suite. (I didn't want to be clichéd :) -Mk -Original Message- From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rot...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:28 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: BOLT! I'm probably going to get in trouble for this.. but I can tell you with absolute certainty, the public beta has not been released yet. Very few people outside of Adobe have gotten their hands on Bolt yet. Be patient, when it's ready they'll open it up to the public beta. The only reason I'm saying this is I know your pain... Waiting for something super cool like this is a killer.. especially when you don't hear anything one way or the other... =] -- Alan Rother Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321745 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: BOLT!
Thanks, Mark and Alan, for some word on the issue! Rick On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Mark Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote: We have one copy running in house... Can't say more or I'd have to do something terrible to you with Jell-O and a duck suite. (I didn't want to be clichéd :) -Mk -Original Message- From: Alan Rother [mailto:alan.rot...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:28 AM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: BOLT! I'm probably going to get in trouble for this.. but I can tell you with absolute certainty, the public beta has not been released yet. Very few people outside of Adobe have gotten their hands on Bolt yet. Be patient, when it's ready they'll open it up to the public beta. The only reason I'm saying this is I know your pain... Waiting for something super cool like this is a killer.. especially when you don't hear anything one way or the other... =] -- Alan Rother Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer Manager, Phoenix Cold Fusion User Group, AZCFUG.org ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321747 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: BOLT!
I'd have to do something terrible to you with Jell-O and a duck suite There are ppl that would pay good money for something like that. US Congressmen for instance. But in all seriousness. I asked Sharad Kumar Kiri, practically begged (twice), if I could get in on some hot steamy Bolt prerelease action. I was told, basically: No. Personally I am looking forward to Bolt *much* more than I am CF 9. Given my cognitive challenges; dyslexia and written language disabilities (i.e. spelling) to the tune of 3 std. deviations ... (for the statistically challenged, that is the technical term for Freakin Ass Load), I am fairly IDE dependent. That, and the fact that the tools for other platforms/languages like Java, .Net and Flex for that matter, run circles around the current CF IDE offerings. I always feel the need to applogise to Mark Drew every time I say stuff like that. Sorry dude. ;o). But yeah... I am CHOMPING AT THE BIT to get my mitts on that fun nugget. G! On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Mark Kruger mkru...@cfwebtools.comwrote: We have one copy running in house... Can't say more or I'd have to do something terrible to you with Jell-O and a duck suite. (I didn't want to be clichéd :) -Mk -- Gerald Guido http://www.myinternetisbroken.com http://www.cfsimple.org/ To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk. -- Thomas A. Edison ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321760 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
Re: BOLT!
That, and the fact that the tools for other platforms/languages like Java, .Net and Flex for that matter, run circles around the current CF IDE offerings. Well, I don't think that's going to change entirely. CF is different from Java, .NET and Flex, in that it's compiled when it's first run and it's loosely typed. The nice things (to me) about working in those other environments is that there is a distinct separation between compile time and run time, so my IDE can help me in ways that wouldn't be possible with a loosely-typed language that doesn't get compiled prior to runtime. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321761 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: BOLT!
I think this is a fairly closed minded view on things. No offense but if you look at other loosely typed dynamic languages like groovy the IDE support for it (IDEA) is very impressive.Or something slightly more close to ColdFusion like Ruby also has some very impressive support. That being said, this is the first gen IDE from Adobe, I wouldn't expect much more than cfEclipse. I'm not saying Adobe can't/won't deliver I just think having too high expectations for a First Gen product is irrsponsible to myself and not fair to a company. Adam On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote: That, and the fact that the tools for other platforms/languages like Java, .Net and Flex for that matter, run circles around the current CF IDE offerings. Well, I don't think that's going to change entirely. CF is different from Java, .NET and Flex, in that it's compiled when it's first run and it's loosely typed. The nice things (to me) about working in those other environments is that there is a distinct separation between compile time and run time, so my IDE can help me in ways that wouldn't be possible with a loosely-typed language that doesn't get compiled prior to runtime. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers in Washington DC, Atlanta, Chicago, Baltimore, Northern Virginia, or on-site at your location. Visit http://training.figleaf.com/ for more information! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321779 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
Re: BOLT!
Not to mention that Visual Studio continues to be a fine IDE and seems to be coping with C# as it gains a great deal more dynamic features like lambda expressions, duck typing, etc. Still not sure how great Bolt will be out of the gate but there are some decent IDEs out there that they can take some cues from, so I'm cautiously optimistic. Judah On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Adam Haskell a.hask...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is a fairly closed minded view on things. No offense but if you look at other loosely typed dynamic languages like groovy the IDE support for it (IDEA) is very impressive.Or something slightly more close to ColdFusion like Ruby also has some very impressive support. That being said, this is the first gen IDE from Adobe, I wouldn't expect much more than cfEclipse. I'm not saying Adobe can't/won't deliver I just think having too high expectations for a First Gen product is irrsponsible to myself and not fair to a company. Adam ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:321780 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
