RE: What is MX
Surely in this case the function is to increase dev time lost by cross browser compatibly and perhaps to have modular GUI components and to decrease the amount of trips to the server... just my 2pence Kola -Original Message- From: Matthew R. Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 01 April 2002 20:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What is MX I agree... Flash is just that - flash. It's best used when it has a function rather than just a way to pretty up a website. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What is MX Reality is that when I surf, I'm looking for text. Flash sites still tend to aggravate me (that is an implementation issue, though not the technology ). Graphics may make it pretty, but... they are best used when kept simple. At 12:37 PM 4/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: Don't you think the early days of the internet before actual web browsers .. no graphics at all BBS's too ... There were conversations just like this .. Some thought browsers were the wave of the future .. while others said, just for frills ..and text will always be displayed as text. The page down button is all I need... Food for thought! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign http://www.quilldesign.com SiteDirector v2.0 - Commerce Builder - Original Message - From: Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: What is MX In general I would agree with this, the reason being the mechanism for displaying the content already existed. The scroll bars, the page navigation, all part of HTML and the web browser. MX is supposed to have some of these things standard controls available for use in your projects, this would make things much easier to work with. Have said that. I still find it hard to believe Flash will take over as the primary web display environment for at least three or four months ;) At 01:20 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail
RE: What is MX
I heard that there were a few ways of explaining that. From what I hear, it's MM's 10th year as a company. So, MX is short for Macromedia X (10). There was another one, but I forgot it. :P EC -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. At 01:42 PM 4/1/2002 +0100, you wrote: It doesn't stand for anything :-) It is simply a rebranding of the whole MM familly under one banner. Neil Team Macromedia __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is MX
Here's another one. MX stands for more xpensive. Thanks, Mark -Original Message- From: Carlisle, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 8:12 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What is MX I heard that there were a few ways of explaining that. From what I hear, it's MM's 10th year as a company. So, MX is short for Macromedia X (10). There was another one, but I forgot it. :P EC -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. At 01:42 PM 4/1/2002 +0100, you wrote: It doesn't stand for anything :-) It is simply a rebranding of the whole MM familly under one banner. Neil Team Macromedia __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is MX
-Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
Yeah, but aren't we supposed to be technical people? Shouldn't it also mean something ( practical ) ? Awww, well... maybe the 'sounding coolness' of it will sway the heads of some marketing people. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
At 10:13 AM 4/1/2002 -0800, you wrote: Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. Oh, I dunno. I think the article was in line with many things that I have thought. And they did seem to present both sides of the story. The issues addressed in the article were valid. Or maybe I'm just negative. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. I'm no flash expert, but I really think the limitations that were outlined in the article are valid criticisms. I bet there is money to be maid in write a search engine to index flash content. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
In general I would agree with this, the reason being the mechanism for displaying the content already existed. The scroll bars, the page navigation, all part of HTML and the web browser. MX is supposed to have some of these things standard controls available for use in your projects, this would make things much easier to work with. Have said that. I still find it hard to believe Flash will take over as the primary web display environment for at least three or four months ;) At 01:20 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
We'll see. One day it may be just as easy to flow text into Flash reports. We'll see. I'm sure someone at Macromedia has been scratching their chin trying to figure out how to get their hands on the business application development money. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:20PM I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is MX
One question is, is it harder to use JScript-DHTML etc with all the vagaries of different browser types to get interactive-enhanced content or use Flash which it seems to me has far more benefits in predictability. And to address a point made several times in the article, the search engine indexing issues are probably the greatest risk MM faces in expanding Flash. Lastly, no matter how much our heads talk and no matter how clever we think we are the users of the web make the final decision on success or failure and that is how it should be. Mike Brunt Sempra Energy 213.244.5226 A logician trying to explain logic to a programmer is like a cat trying to explain to a fish what it's like to get wet. -Original Message- From: BEN MORRIS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:20 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What is MX I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is MX
If there was a input type=file control available in Flash MX, I would be sold for good ^_^ -- Scott Van Vliet Senior Analyst SBC Services, Inc. ITO Enterprise Tools Office: 858.886.3878 Pager: 858.536.0070 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rick Walters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What is MX We'll see. One day it may be just as easy to flow text into Flash reports. We'll see. I'm sure someone at Macromedia has been scratching their chin trying to figure out how to get their hands on the business application development money. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:20PM I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
Don't you think the early days of the internet before actual web browsers .. no graphics at all BBS's too ... There were conversations just like this .. Some thought browsers were the wave of the future .. while others said, just for frills ..and text will always be displayed as text. The page down button is all I need... Food for thought! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign http://www.quilldesign.com SiteDirector v2.0 - Commerce Builder - Original Message - From: Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: What is MX In general I would agree with this, the reason being the mechanism for displaying the content already existed. The scroll bars, the page navigation, all part of HTML and the web browser. MX is supposed to have some of these things standard controls available for use in your projects, this would make things much easier to work with. Have said that. I still find it hard to believe Flash will take over as the primary web display environment for at least three or four months ;) At 01:20 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
Lynch said Macromedia supports the W3C and is open to including SVG support in its products if the format, now primarily endorsed by competitor Adobe, catches on. He also noted that Flash incorporates open standards such as XML and the ECMAScript language. *pant* *pant* On the search engine thing, I believe that search engines will index the alt parameter of the object tag for the swf... jon - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:39 PM Subject: Re: What is MX Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
We're still experimenting, but Look for a tool that combines stats with search engine placement from CFDev later this year. I'm sure we can overcome these issues just as we have for database driven ColdFusion sites. You can see some of the techniques on our site now, but the power is in the back-end. We don't need to change the search engines. We just need to fool them into thinking that we have a static site with 100,000 pages. I'm sure we can apply these techniques to Flash. Greg Alton CFDev - Original Message - From: Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:17 PM Subject: Re: What is MX At 10:13 AM 4/1/2002 -0800, you wrote: Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. Oh, I dunno. I think the article was in line with many things that I have thought. And they did seem to present both sides of the story. The issues addressed in the article were valid. Or maybe I'm just negative. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. I'm no flash expert, but I really think the limitations that were outlined in the article are valid criticisms. I bet there is money to be maid in write a search engine to index flash content. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
Reality is that when I surf, I'm looking for text. Flash sites still tend to aggravate me (that is an implementation issue, though not the technology ). Graphics may make it pretty, but... they are best used when kept simple. At 12:37 PM 4/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: Don't you think the early days of the internet before actual web browsers .. no graphics at all BBS's too ... There were conversations just like this .. Some thought browsers were the wave of the future .. while others said, just for frills ..and text will always be displayed as text. The page down button is all I need... Food for thought! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign http://www.quilldesign.com SiteDirector v2.0 - Commerce Builder - Original Message - From: Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: What is MX In general I would agree with this, the reason being the mechanism for displaying the content already existed. The scroll bars, the page navigation, all part of HTML and the web browser. MX is supposed to have some of these things standard controls available for use in your projects, this would make things much easier to work with. Have said that. I still find it hard to believe Flash will take over as the primary web display environment for at least three or four months ;) At 01:20 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
At 02:00 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: We don't need to change the search engines. We just need to fool them into thinking that we have a static site with 100,000 pages. I'm sure we can apply these techniques to Flash. That is a great approach to it. I wonder if there is a way to do a search engine ala verity that could search flash content just in a local site. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is MX
I agree... Flash is just that - flash. It's best used when it has a function rather than just a way to pretty up a website. - Matt Small -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:52 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What is MX Reality is that when I surf, I'm looking for text. Flash sites still tend to aggravate me (that is an implementation issue, though not the technology ). Graphics may make it pretty, but... they are best used when kept simple. At 12:37 PM 4/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: Don't you think the early days of the internet before actual web browsers .. no graphics at all BBS's too ... There were conversations just like this .. Some thought browsers were the wave of the future .. while others said, just for frills ..and text will always be displayed as text. The page down button is all I need... Food for thought! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign http://www.quilldesign.com SiteDirector v2.0 - Commerce Builder - Original Message - From: Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: What is MX In general I would agree with this, the reason being the mechanism for displaying the content already existed. The scroll bars, the page navigation, all part of HTML and the web browser. MX is supposed to have some of these things standard controls available for use in your projects, this would make things much easier to work with. Have said that. I still find it hard to believe Flash will take over as the primary web display environment for at least three or four months ;) At 01:20 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
Don't get me wrong, I prefer simple graphics and text .. I am just comparing the golden days before browsers made things pretty like they are today ... people couldn't imagine the need for anything different than ascii text and the graphical browsers were just frill with no purpose. Obviously they were mistaken and we all have graphical websites with font/style sheets, images ect. some more some less. Right now we sit not seeing a use for flash except to really pretty things up .. but as time goes, flash or something like it will probably be where the internet is in a 'few months as stated before :)'. I don't look forward to it right now .. but I am sure my son will laugh at what we are doing today one day! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign http://www.quilldesign.com SiteDirector v2.0 - Commerce Builder - Original Message - From: Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Re: What is MX Reality is that when I surf, I'm looking for text. Flash sites still tend to aggravate me (that is an implementation issue, though not the technology ). Graphics may make it pretty, but... they are best used when kept simple. At 12:37 PM 4/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: Don't you think the early days of the internet before actual web browsers .. no graphics at all BBS's too ... There were conversations just like this .. Some thought browsers were the wave of the future .. while others said, just for frills ..and text will always be displayed as text. The page down button is all I need... Food for thought! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign http://www.quilldesign.com SiteDirector v2.0 - Commerce Builder - Original Message - From: Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: What is MX In general I would agree with this, the reason being the mechanism for displaying the content already existed. The scroll bars, the page navigation, all part of HTML and the web browser. MX is supposed to have some of these things standard controls available for use in your projects, this would make things much easier to work with. Have said that. I still find it hard to believe Flash will take over as the primary web display environment for at least three or four months ;) At 01:20 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave
RE: What is MX
Also another issue with Flash is bad bad coding. There is a flash website for a local radio station here. http://www.wjrr.com/main.html . Check out your processor it should hit 90%-100% usage the entire time the site is up. Once you close the browser with that site, you're fine. I have been to other sites that are coded in flash (figleaf's for example) and my processor peaks a little, but nothing like the above site. Robert Everland III Dixon Ticonderoga Web Developer Extraordinaire -Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What is MX Don't get me wrong, I prefer simple graphics and text .. I am just comparing the golden days before browsers made things pretty like they are today ... people couldn't imagine the need for anything different than ascii text and the graphical browsers were just frill with no purpose. Obviously they were mistaken and we all have graphical websites with font/style sheets, images ect. some more some less. Right now we sit not seeing a use for flash except to really pretty things up .. but as time goes, flash or something like it will probably be where the internet is in a 'few months as stated before :)'. I don't look forward to it right now .. but I am sure my son will laugh at what we are doing today one day! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign http://www.quilldesign.com SiteDirector v2.0 - Commerce Builder - Original Message - From: Jeffry Houser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Re: What is MX Reality is that when I surf, I'm looking for text. Flash sites still tend to aggravate me (that is an implementation issue, though not the technology ). Graphics may make it pretty, but... they are best used when kept simple. At 12:37 PM 4/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: Don't you think the early days of the internet before actual web browsers .. no graphics at all BBS's too ... There were conversations just like this .. Some thought browsers were the wave of the future .. while others said, just for frills ..and text will always be displayed as text. The page down button is all I need... Food for thought! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign http://www.quilldesign.com SiteDirector v2.0 - Commerce Builder - Original Message - From: Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: What is MX In general I would agree with this, the reason being the mechanism for displaying the content already existed. The scroll bars, the page navigation, all part of HTML and the web browser. MX is supposed to have some of these things standard controls available for use in your projects, this would make things much easier to work with. Have said that. I still find it hard to believe Flash will take over as the primary web display environment for at least three or four months ;) At 01:20 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message
RE: What is MX
It is possible to extract all the text that gets displayed out of a swf file, and then search it. I just emailed Google and asked them to consider adding it to Google, I'll post their response to the list. + Pete Freitag ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) CTO, CFDEV.COM ColdFusion Developer Resources http://www.cfdev.com/ -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 1:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What is MX At 02:00 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: We don't need to change the search engines. We just need to fool them into thinking that we have a static site with 100,000 pages. I'm sure we can apply these techniques to Flash. That is a great approach to it. I wonder if there is a way to do a search engine ala verity that could search flash content just in a local site. -- Jeffry Houser | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Need a Web Developer? Contact me! AIM: Reboog711 | Fax / Phone: 860-223-7946 -- My Books: http://www.instantcoldfusion.com My Band: http://www.farcryfly.com __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is MX
When I go to MM's site, I don't see flash when I'm searching for something, I don't see flash when I'm modifying my account,I don't see the forums being powered by flash I don't see flash working when I make an online purchase. As a matter of fact, the only flash I see, is the menu flashy stuff. I'm all for a product that's going to give the user what they need and in the fastest way possible. I do loathe the browser, but if macromedia has a better solution, let them be the first to lead by example. -- Visit The Most Powerful Tool on the Farm at http://www.ifarm.com Get the latest on Ag News, Market Reports, FREE email, and much more. __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
Well, I still use the page down button more than the scroll bars, if I can't do that in flash I will be upset. At 12:37 PM 4/1/2002 -0600, you wrote: Don't you think the early days of the internet before actual web browsers .. no graphics at all BBS's too ... There were conversations just like this .. Some thought browsers were the wave of the future .. while others said, just for frills ..and text will always be displayed as text. The page down button is all I need... Food for thought! Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign http://www.quilldesign.com SiteDirector v2.0 - Commerce Builder - Original Message - From: Nick McClure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: Re: What is MX In general I would agree with this, the reason being the mechanism for displaying the content already existed. The scroll bars, the page navigation, all part of HTML and the web browser. MX is supposed to have some of these things standard controls available for use in your projects, this would make things much easier to work with. Have said that. I still find it hard to believe Flash will take over as the primary web display environment for at least three or four months ;) At 01:20 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Rick Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 01:13PM Wow that article was negative. Maybe we should just go back to using smoke signals to communicate. One day a few years from now when the HTML web as we know now seems as archaic a presentation medium as ASCII graphics of the war games era, the person who wrote that article will likely shrug and take another bitter sip of some generic coffee. The vector concept of web presentation is doubtlessly the wave of the future and Flash is the defacto player of choice. If the current search engine paradigm is holding back the development in this medium should we hold back development in Flash or should we reward the engine that gets with the program and finds a way to index flash content. Good Fortune, Richard Walters, Webmaster, Davita Laboratory Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 604-5227 x 3525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/01/02 12:39PM Interesting article today on News.com. Looks like it's going take some serious marketing to sell the concept. http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html Jim - Original Message - From: Douglas Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: Re: What is MX In other words, it sounds cool!!! Success is a journey, not a destination!! Doug Brown - Original Message - From: Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: RE: What is MX -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:53 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: What is MX Not that 'branding everything under one banner' is a bad idea, but.. MX seems like a random 'name' to choose for branding if it doesn't mean anything. Go to this article by MM's John Dowdell and scroll down to the second question under the Q A section. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ That should give you an official answer. Regards, Dave. __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
You are correct, but if you want all of content indexed, this won't work for you. On the search engine thing, I believe that search engines will index the alt parameter of the object tag for the swf... jon __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is MX
I have noticed this on banner ads. There are some that make my computer lag while the browser is on the page. Makes me mad. At 02:17 PM 4/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: Also another issue with Flash is bad bad coding. There is a flash website for a local radio station here. http://www.wjrr.com/main.html . Check out your processor it should hit 90%-100% usage the entire time the site is up. Once you close the browser with that site, you're fine. I have been to other sites that are coded in flash (figleaf's for example) and my processor peaks a little, but nothing like the above site. Robert Everland III __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
At 10:20 AM 4/1/2, BEN MORRIS wrote: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-872136.html I agree that flash is far superior to HTML for multimedia rich content. But when it comes to posting documents and information, HTML/XHTML/XML is far superior to flash. Different tasks require different tools. Ditto this. I've been a little bemused on how that swf vs html meme has spread, particularly since Macromedia is obviously investing heavily in HTML development as well. Documents aren't going away just because applications increase! I think part of it is that Flash MX is just the first release of the Macromedia MX toolset... if ColdFusion MX was released at the same time as Flash MX folks on the periphery would have a more complete picture. Different pieces of the MX puzzle will arrive throughout the year. Then again, getting the prime newspot on CNET isn't insignificant either... the MX releases, even at this early stage, are getting a lot of attention. From what I hear of the long press leads for the next set of releases, reporters are very bullish on how the various MX parts fit together. I'd be more worried if it sank beneath the radar without controversy ;-) However, Macromedia just makes the tools and servers... it's really the development community which powers revolutions like this. Some time today a new DesDev Center will go live, and there will be a discussion thread right off my column for this very issue. Lots of Macromedians lurk on CF-Talk, but if you have advice for the company about how these stories affect you then it would be great to hear it through that Soapbox link, thanks! (For search engines, try searching on terms like google bomb or invisible web, or using a qualifier like filetype:swf at Google, or searching for flash faq at Atomz.com... the story is much bigger than what is often described.) jd John Dowdell, Macromedia Developer Support, San Francisco CA US Search technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ Offlist email risks capture by the spam filters. I may not see your email if it's not on the list. Private one-on-one email options are available via Priority Access: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: What is MX
I kinda' started this thread by asking what MX stood for (not particularly Flash NX). I have visited a lot of sites where Flash was used to excess and I cringe at these. OTH there are a good number of sites where Flash is used wisely, and improves the user experience (and hopefully, the ROI for the cost/effort of developing the site). I am all for the Flashy things... when the improve the utility of the site! I guess the message here, is don't blame the tool... blame the carpenter! What excites me about Flash in particular is it's ability to improve the interface and operation of a site (graphics, animation, etc. aside). For example, I can efficiently submit form data to the server and return results to the user without the user staring at a blank page while the screen is redrawn... and i can tell him what is happening while he is waiting (with or without animation). This uses less bandwith and should improve performance (both server and client). Of course, you can do the same thing with frames and/or DHTML, but Flash provides better cross-browser/platform compatibility and much greater efficiency. The thing I miss most about Flash sites is that links (a href=...) do not conform to the web standards (colors and underline). One of the really useful things about a web page that conforms to these standards is that the user can instantly identify all links, and those that have been traversed. Another new technology that has the possibility of improving the web experience is what Apple has done with one element of their GUI under OS X. The Quartz layer, based on Adobe's PDF standard... All text is displayed in antialiased format regardless of font, style, original size or viewing size (magnification). If you haven't seen a web page displayed with this technology, take the time to see a demo. A web page, any page, displayed in OSX IE is, well, beautiful! There, I've said it. It approaches the readability of the printed page, but with several advantages: you can display pages at max screen resolution to show more info (and still read them) you can easily magnify or reduce text without loss of quality you get the exact same results when you save or print the page. OK, a little off track there... but the point is the same: If a new technology improves the appearance and/or operation of a web page it will likely be a success... If it's just sizzle (almost said flash)... it will be relegated to a sideshow, as typified by the Carnival Barker with the loud suit and cane (abd irritating come-on pitch). MO Dick __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is MX
well I don't know if it actually means this but it is the first Macr. person I have heard actually say what is means. The truth revealed. mx= macromedia experience http://www.tvworldwide.com/fose/020319/fose2002_real.cfm?id=23 -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What is MX I kinda' started this thread by asking what MX stood for (not particularly Flash NX). I have visited a lot of sites where Flash was used to excess and I cringe at these. OTH there are a good number of sites where Flash is used wisely, and improves the user experience (and hopefully, the ROI for the cost/effort of developing the site). I am all for the Flashy things... when the improve the utility of the site! I guess the message here, is don't blame the tool... blame the carpenter! What excites me about Flash in particular is it's ability to improve the interface and operation of a site (graphics, animation, etc. aside). For example, I can efficiently submit form data to the server and return results to the user without the user staring at a blank page while the screen is redrawn... and i can tell him what is happening while he is waiting (with or without animation). This uses less bandwith and should improve performance (both server and client). Of course, you can do the same thing with frames and/or DHTML, but Flash provides better cross-browser/platform compatibility and much greater efficiency. The thing I miss most about Flash sites is that links (a href=...) do not conform to the web standards (colors and underline). One of the really useful things about a web page that conforms to these standards is that the user can instantly identify all links, and those that have been traversed. Another new technology that has the possibility of improving the web experience is what Apple has done with one element of their GUI under OS X. The Quartz layer, based on Adobe's PDF standard... All text is displayed in antialiased format regardless of font, style, original size or viewing size (magnification). If you haven't seen a web page displayed with this technology, take the time to see a demo. A web page, any page, displayed in OSX IE is, well, beautiful! There, I've said it. It approaches the readability of the printed page, but with several advantages: you can display pages at max screen resolution to show more info (and still read them) you can easily magnify or reduce text without loss of quality you get the exact same results when you save or print the page. OK, a little off track there... but the point is the same: If a new technology improves the appearance and/or operation of a web page it will likely be a success... If it's just sizzle (almost said flash)... it will be relegated to a sideshow, as typified by the Carnival Barker with the loud suit and cane (abd irritating come-on pitch). MO Dick __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: What is MX
It means they really want their stock price to go up... :) -Original Message- From: Mark Broner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 2:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: What is MX well I don't know if it actually means this but it is the first Macr. person I have heard actually say what is means. The truth revealed. mx= macromedia experience http://www.tvworldwide.com/fose/020319/fose2002_real.cfm?id=23 -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 3:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What is MX I kinda' started this thread by asking what MX stood for (not particularly Flash NX). I have visited a lot of sites where Flash was used to excess and I cringe at these. OTH there are a good number of sites where Flash is used wisely, and improves the user experience (and hopefully, the ROI for the cost/effort of developing the site). I am all for the Flashy things... when the improve the utility of the site! I guess the message here, is don't blame the tool... blame the carpenter! What excites me about Flash in particular is it's ability to improve the interface and operation of a site (graphics, animation, etc. aside). For example, I can efficiently submit form data to the server and return results to the user without the user staring at a blank page while the screen is redrawn... and i can tell him what is happening while he is waiting (with or without animation). This uses less bandwith and should improve performance (both server and client). Of course, you can do the same thing with frames and/or DHTML, but Flash provides better cross-browser/platform compatibility and much greater efficiency. The thing I miss most about Flash sites is that links (a href=...) do not conform to the web standards (colors and underline). One of the really useful things about a web page that conforms to these standards is that the user can instantly identify all links, and those that have been traversed. Another new technology that has the possibility of improving the web experience is what Apple has done with one element of their GUI under OS X. The Quartz layer, based on Adobe's PDF standard... All text is displayed in antialiased format regardless of font, style, original size or viewing size (magnification). If you haven't seen a web page displayed with this technology, take the time to see a demo. A web page, any page, displayed in OSX IE is, well, beautiful! There, I've said it. It approaches the readability of the printed page, but with several advantages: you can display pages at max screen resolution to show more info (and still read them) you can easily magnify or reduce text without loss of quality you get the exact same results when you save or print the page. OK, a little off track there... but the point is the same: If a new technology improves the appearance and/or operation of a web page it will likely be a success... If it's just sizzle (almost said flash)... it will be relegated to a sideshow, as typified by the Carnival Barker with the loud suit and cane (abd irritating come-on pitch). MO Dick __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
