Re: development and testing server
Won, Unfortunately, the EULA is about as official as it gets. The best I can offer is to send you and your admin and email from my Adobe account confirming that the same key can be used between production, staging, testing and development environments. It's important to note that licenses and license keys are not one in the same. For example, if you buy a volume license for ColdFusion that covers many servers, we commonly issue just a single key -- imagine the headaches it would cause if you have to manage 100+ different CF license keys. The recent EULA change follows the same principals. One serial key can cover multiple installs. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I did tell him that I got the post from Adam, who is the product manager, and the evangelist's blog. he understands that we can create a dev and staging server for each key we own. The EULA is clear about that. He wants, in writing, that the process is to just use the production key. We operate in a GxP environment and our process must be documented for audits. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: The author of that article works for Adobe in an official CF capacity and then points to the changes in the EULA. I think that short of get a signed statement from Adobe's lawyers that they won't sue you, that is about as official as you are going to get. You've got the license text and you have a top-level Adobe employee spelling out the details of what it means. Baring that, I'd suggest contacting Adobe directly. Judah On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: He was looking for something more official. We take licenses very seriously here. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/coldfusion-9-testing-staging-and-development-changes-to-eula On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Adam, my network admin is asking me for a URL or documenation that specifically states that. I showed him the EULA but he is asking for the part where we can use a production key for development and testing. He understands those servers will only be used for development and testing. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Just use the same key. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335361 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
Adam, That would be great. I will email you my work email off the list. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:22 AM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Won, Unfortunately, the EULA is about as official as it gets. The best I can offer is to send you and your admin and email from my Adobe account confirming that the same key can be used between production, staging, testing and development environments. It's important to note that licenses and license keys are not one in the same. For example, if you buy a volume license for ColdFusion that covers many servers, we commonly issue just a single key -- imagine the headaches it would cause if you have to manage 100+ different CF license keys. The recent EULA change follows the same principals. One serial key can cover multiple installs. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I did tell him that I got the post from Adam, who is the product manager, and the evangelist's blog. he understands that we can create a dev and staging server for each key we own. The EULA is clear about that. He wants, in writing, that the process is to just use the production key. We operate in a GxP environment and our process must be documented for audits. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: The author of that article works for Adobe in an official CF capacity and then points to the changes in the EULA. I think that short of get a signed statement from Adobe's lawyers that they won't sue you, that is about as official as you are going to get. You've got the license text and you have a top-level Adobe employee spelling out the details of what it means. Baring that, I'd suggest contacting Adobe directly. Judah On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: He was looking for something more official. We take licenses very seriously here. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/coldfusion-9-testing-staging-and-development-changes-to-eula On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Adam, my network admin is asking me for a URL or documenation that specifically states that. I showed him the EULA but he is asking for the part where we can use a production key for development and testing. He understands those servers will only be used for development and testing. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Just use the same key. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335371 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
development and testing server
Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335296 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
Just use the same key. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335301 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
Thanks On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Just use the same key. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335302 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
Adam, my network admin is asking me for a URL or documenation that specifically states that. I showed him the EULA but he is asking for the part where we can use a production key for development and testing. He understands those servers will only be used for development and testing. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Just use the same key. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335305 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/coldfusion-9-testing-staging-and-development-changes-to-eula On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Adam, my network admin is asking me for a URL or documenation that specifically states that. I showed him the EULA but he is asking for the part where we can use a production key for development and testing. He understands those servers will only be used for development and testing. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Just use the same key. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335306 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
He was looking for something more official. We take licenses very seriously here. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/coldfusion-9-testing-staging-and-development-changes-to-eula On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Adam, my network admin is asking me for a URL or documenation that specifically states that. I showed him the EULA but he is asking for the part where we can use a production key for development and testing. He understands those servers will only be used for development and testing. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Just use the same key. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335310 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
The author of that article works for Adobe in an official CF capacity and then points to the changes in the EULA. I think that short of get a signed statement from Adobe's lawyers that they won't sue you, that is about as official as you are going to get. You've got the license text and you have a top-level Adobe employee spelling out the details of what it means. Baring that, I'd suggest contacting Adobe directly. Judah On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: He was looking for something more official. We take licenses very seriously here. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/coldfusion-9-testing-staging-and-development-changes-to-eula On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Adam, my network admin is asking me for a URL or documenation that specifically states that. I showed him the EULA but he is asking for the part where we can use a production key for development and testing. He understands those servers will only be used for development and testing. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Just use the same key. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335311 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
Thanks. I did tell him that I got the post from Adam, who is the product manager, and the evangelist's blog. he understands that we can create a dev and staging server for each key we own. The EULA is clear about that. He wants, in writing, that the process is to just use the production key. We operate in a GxP environment and our process must be documented for audits. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: The author of that article works for Adobe in an official CF capacity and then points to the changes in the EULA. I think that short of get a signed statement from Adobe's lawyers that they won't sue you, that is about as official as you are going to get. You've got the license text and you have a top-level Adobe employee spelling out the details of what it means. Baring that, I'd suggest contacting Adobe directly. Judah On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: He was looking for something more official. We take licenses very seriously here. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/coldfusion-9-testing-staging-and-development-changes-to-eula On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Adam, my network admin is asking me for a URL or documenation that specifically states that. I showed him the EULA but he is asking for the part where we can use a production key for development and testing. He understands those servers will only be used for development and testing. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Just use the same key. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335313 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
Not only that, let's not forget that Adam (adrocknaphobia) is the main man in charge of all things CF at Adobe, so his direct response to this post instructing Won to use the same key should suffice. I realize some people want to see official documentation in writing, but short of having Ben Forta show up at your office and type the key in for you, getting the go-ahead directly from Adam is about as good as it gets. At least it would be around here, anyway. Thanks, Eric Cobb ECAR Technologies, LLC http://www.ecartech.com http://www.cfgears.com Judah McAuley wrote: The author of that article works for Adobe in an official CF capacity and then points to the changes in the EULA. I think that short of get a signed statement from Adobe's lawyers that they won't sue you, that is about as official as you are going to get. You've got the license text and you have a top-level Adobe employee spelling out the details of what it means. Baring that, I'd suggest contacting Adobe directly. Judah On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: He was looking for something more official. We take licenses very seriously here. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: http://www.terrenceryan.com/blog/post.cfm/coldfusion-9-testing-staging-and-development-changes-to-eula On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Adam, my network admin is asking me for a URL or documenation that specifically states that. I showed him the EULA but he is asking for the part where we can use a production key for development and testing. He understands those servers will only be used for development and testing. W On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Adrocknaphobia adrocknapho...@gmail.comwrote: Just use the same key. -Adam On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Won Lee won...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been using CF 9 developer on edition on my dev box and the standard version on my production box. I want to change the dev box to standard for development only purpose under the EULA 3.1.3. Any directions for this or do I just enter the same key? W ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335314 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
Not only that, let's not forget that Adam (adrocknaphobia) is the main man in charge of all things CF at Adobe, so his direct response to this post instructing Won to use the same key should suffice. I realize some people want to see official documentation in writing, but short of having Ben Forta show up at your office and type the key in for you, getting the go-ahead directly from Adam is about as good as it gets. At least it would be around here, anyway. Well, I agree with you from a practical perspective, but it's not all that good if real documentation is required. Heck, Adam's sending his mail from a public Gmail account. While you and I know that he is who he is, I wouldn't want to have to explain all that during a license audit. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335315 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
Re: development and testing server
On 7/13/2010 3:36 PM, Won Lee wrote: Thanks. I did tell him that I got the post from Adam, who is the product manager, and the evangelist's blog. he understands that we can create a dev and staging server for each key we own. The EULA is clear about that. He wants, in writing, that the process is to just use the production key. We operate in a GxP environment and our process must be documented for audits. Get the nice people at Adobe to send you the boxed copy of CF 9. You are going to need the original disks for GLP, GCP or cGMP validations and installation qualification anyway. That way, you will have an official copy of the EULA with all the fine print. Auditors love fine print. It should also include all the official manuals that you can wave at quality assurance auditors. For those who don't know about the preclinical and clinical world, the auditing for GxP is not the same as a license audit, but comes from the governmental regulatory agencies and internal company QA departments that demand detailed records of all components of the system and a detailed plan for testing the system for use. If you change a component (hardware or software) you have to document that the system is fit for use with a tedious pile of paperwork. You also have to have piles of standard operating procedures detailing exactly what you do. -- LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/8/a4/60 Twitter: http://twitter.com/RogerTheGeek MissHunt: http://www.misshunt.com/ (Home of the Clean/Dirty Magnet) NCDevCon: http://ncdevcon.com/ 2010 Raleigh ColdFusion Conference ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:335324 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
