soXML - Flawed

2002-10-15 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)

It appears that the soXML tag is flawed, this is why it will not with my XML
doc. more later, I need some rest before Hockey tonight! :-)
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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)

it looks as though that WDDX is my only option...there is nothing pre-MX
that is anywhere near stable or functional enough even on a simple level.

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 October 2002 17:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: soXML - Flawed


> It appears that the soXML tag is flawed, this is why it will not with my
> XML doc. more later, I need some rest before Hockey tonight! :-)

Break a leg! Not yours of course. ;P

S. Isaac Dealey
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Craig Dudley

Hmm, I disagree, soXML is however a bag of s**t.

Try cf_XMLParser from http://www.cfdev.com

It's a java cfx and uses the xerces xml parser.

In my tests (under heavy load), it's 10-20 times faster than the MS XML
parser, it's also ROCK stable.

Craig.

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 16 October 2002 09:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


it looks as though that WDDX is my only option...there is nothing pre-MX
that is anywhere near stable or functional enough even on a simple level.

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 October 2002 17:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: soXML - Flawed


> It appears that the soXML tag is flawed, this is why it will not with my
> XML doc. more later, I need some rest before Hockey tonight! :-)

Break a leg! Not yours of course. ;P

S. Isaac Dealey
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

www.turnkey.to
954-776-0046


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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)

can it read in an XML file and copy an edited XML packet back out to the
file UNTOUCHED?

This is my problemeven the cf_xmlparser seems only 1-way.

N

-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 October 2002 10:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


Hmm, I disagree, soXML is however a bag of s**t.

Try cf_XMLParser from http://www.cfdev.com

It's a java cfx and uses the xerces xml parser.

In my tests (under heavy load), it's 10-20 times faster than the MS XML
parser, it's also ROCK stable.

Craig.

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 16 October 2002 09:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


it looks as though that WDDX is my only option...there is nothing pre-MX
that is anywhere near stable or functional enough even on a simple level.

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 October 2002 17:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: soXML - Flawed


> It appears that the soXML tag is flawed, this is why it will not with my
> XML doc. more later, I need some rest before Hockey tonight! :-)

Break a leg! Not yours of course. ;P

S. Isaac Dealey
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

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954-776-0046



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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Craig Dudley

It returns a CF structure, you won't find a parser that will edit a packet I
don't think, it's easy enough to recreate it anyway.

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 16 October 2002 10:14
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


can it read in an XML file and copy an edited XML packet back out to the
file UNTOUCHED?

This is my problemeven the cf_xmlparser seems only 1-way.

N

-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 October 2002 10:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


Hmm, I disagree, soXML is however a bag of s**t.

Try cf_XMLParser from http://www.cfdev.com

It's a java cfx and uses the xerces xml parser.

In my tests (under heavy load), it's 10-20 times faster than the MS XML
parser, it's also ROCK stable.

Craig.

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 16 October 2002 09:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


it looks as though that WDDX is my only option...there is nothing pre-MX
that is anywhere near stable or functional enough even on a simple level.

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 October 2002 17:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: soXML - Flawed


> It appears that the soXML tag is flawed, this is why it will not with my
> XML doc. more later, I need some rest before Hockey tonight! :-)

Break a leg! Not yours of course. ;P

S. Isaac Dealey
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

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954-776-0046




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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)

then its useless. looks like, as I said...its WDDX.



-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 October 2002 10:34
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


It returns a CF structure, you won't find a parser that will edit a packet I
don't think, it's easy enough to recreate it anyway.

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 16 October 2002 10:14
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


can it read in an XML file and copy an edited XML packet back out to the
file UNTOUCHED?

This is my problemeven the cf_xmlparser seems only 1-way.

N

-Original Message-
From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 October 2002 10:09
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


Hmm, I disagree, soXML is however a bag of s**t.

Try cf_XMLParser from http://www.cfdev.com

It's a java cfx and uses the xerces xml parser.

In my tests (under heavy load), it's 10-20 times faster than the MS XML
parser, it's also ROCK stable.

Craig.

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 16 October 2002 09:35
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


it looks as though that WDDX is my only option...there is nothing pre-MX
that is anywhere near stable or functional enough even on a simple level.

-Original Message-
From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 October 2002 17:12
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: soXML - Flawed


> It appears that the soXML tag is flawed, this is why it will not with my
> XML doc. more later, I need some rest before Hockey tonight! :-)

Break a leg! Not yours of course. ;P

S. Isaac Dealey
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

www.turnkey.to
954-776-0046





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Re: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread jon hall

Loading and saving is something cffile does pretty well. XML is a
string, cfset does a pretty good job of changing it. Why do you need a
parser even?

FYI: MsXML can load and save files fine as well.

objXMLDOM = CreateObject("COM", "msxml2.DOMDocument.4.0");
objXMLDOM.async = false;
objXMLDOM.load("c:\path\foo.xml");
writeOutput(objXMLDom.xml);
objXMLDOM.save("c:\path\bar.xml");



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Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 5:36:57 AM, you wrote:
RRNR> then its useless. looks like, as I said...its WDDX.



RRNR> -Original Message-
RRNR> From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
RRNR> Sent: 16 October 2002 10:34
RRNR> To: CF-Talk
RRNR> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


RRNR> It returns a CF structure, you won't find a parser that will edit a packet I
RRNR> don't think, it's easy enough to recreate it anyway.

RRNR> -Original Message-
RRNR> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
RRNR> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
RRNR> Sent: 16 October 2002 10:14
RRNR> To: CF-Talk
RRNR> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


RRNR> can it read in an XML file and copy an edited XML packet back out to the
RRNR> file UNTOUCHED?

RRNR> This is my problemeven the cf_xmlparser seems only 1-way.

RRNR> N

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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)

well, COM, I have heard can be pretty heavy on the server I understand
what you are saying in principle, but in practice...? have you got an
example?

N

-Original Message-
From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 October 2002 15:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: soXML - Flawed


Loading and saving is something cffile does pretty well. XML is a
string, cfset does a pretty good job of changing it. Why do you need a
parser even?

FYI: MsXML can load and save files fine as well.

objXMLDOM = CreateObject("COM", "msxml2.DOMDocument.4.0");
objXMLDOM.async = false;
objXMLDOM.load("c:\path\foo.xml");
writeOutput(objXMLDom.xml);
objXMLDOM.save("c:\path\bar.xml");



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Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 5:36:57 AM, you wrote:
RRNR> then its useless. looks like, as I said...its WDDX.



RRNR> -Original Message-
RRNR> From: Craig Dudley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
RRNR> Sent: 16 October 2002 10:34
RRNR> To: CF-Talk
RRNR> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


RRNR> It returns a CF structure, you won't find a parser that will edit a
packet I
RRNR> don't think, it's easy enough to recreate it anyway.

RRNR> -Original Message-
RRNR> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
RRNR> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
RRNR> Sent: 16 October 2002 10:14
RRNR> To: CF-Talk
RRNR> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


RRNR> can it read in an XML file and copy an edited XML packet back out to
the
RRNR> file UNTOUCHED?

RRNR> This is my problemeven the cf_xmlparser seems only 1-way.

RRNR> N


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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Deeds, Dave

Just curious here, but why not WDDX. We are just beginning to explore using
XML to bring some data into CF, and it seemed to me that WDDX was the
perfect answer. In our case the XML is generated by an internal server,
which I grab with CFHTTP and then use WDDX to create a query set for further
manipulation and display.

Being new to XML, I don't know if WDDX is "good or bad" but it does work.
Are there pitfalls or concerns that I am missing here?


Dave Deeds
Idaho Power Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:37 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
> 
> 
> then its useless. looks like, as I said...its WDDX.
> 
> 
> 

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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)

yes, I am / and have used WDDX frequently over the years.  In fact I am
using it for this project now as its quick, reliable and easily manipulated!



-Original Message-
From: Deeds, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 October 2002 15:15
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


Just curious here, but why not WDDX. We are just beginning to explore using
XML to bring some data into CF, and it seemed to me that WDDX was the
perfect answer. In our case the XML is generated by an internal server,
which I grab with CFHTTP and then use WDDX to create a query set for further
manipulation and display.

Being new to XML, I don't know if WDDX is "good or bad" but it does work.
Are there pitfalls or concerns that I am missing here?


Dave Deeds
Idaho Power Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:37 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
> 
> 
> then its useless. looks like, as I said...its WDDX.
> 
> 
> 


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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Robert Everland

I use soXML here
http://www.dixonusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=company.company_stockquote I
haven't had any issues with it. Remember it uses the xml com object to do
its work. So if you're having trouble with it, it may just be a bad com
object.

Robert Everland III
Web Developer Extraordinaire
Dixon Ticonderoga Company
http://www.dixonusa.com 

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


yes, I am / and have used WDDX frequently over the years.  In fact I am
using it for this project now as its quick, reliable and easily manipulated!



-Original Message-
From: Deeds, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 October 2002 15:15
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


Just curious here, but why not WDDX. We are just beginning to explore using
XML to bring some data into CF, and it seemed to me that WDDX was the
perfect answer. In our case the XML is generated by an internal server,
which I grab with CFHTTP and then use WDDX to create a query set for further
manipulation and display.

Being new to XML, I don't know if WDDX is "good or bad" but it does work.
Are there pitfalls or concerns that I am missing here?


Dave Deeds
Idaho Power Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:37 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
> 
> 
> then its useless. looks like, as I said...its WDDX.
> 
> 
> 



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Re: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread jon hall

Everything previous to MX that I did that involved XML I do with
MSXML. I've got lots of examples, ups and usps among them, but I don't
know if they would be applicable. I'm still not sure why you need a
parser...

If all you need to do is load an file from the HD, edit it, and save
the results, and you have total control over the format of the file
wddx may work perfectly for you.


Saying COM is heavy on the server is a over generalizing it to the
point of it being FUD. A hello world com object is going to be pretty
fast no matter if it was programmed by the latest VB hack to get their
MCSE or a C++ veteran. MSXML would be one of the heavier COM objects
though.

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Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 10:11:58 AM, you wrote:
RRNR> well, COM, I have heard can be pretty heavy on the server I understand
RRNR> what you are saying in principle, but in practice...? have you got an
RRNR> example?

RRNR> N

RRNR> -Original Message-
RRNR> From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
RRNR> Sent: 16 October 2002 15:11
RRNR> To: CF-Talk
RRNR> Subject: Re: soXML - Flawed


RRNR> Loading and saving is something cffile does pretty well. XML is a
RRNR> string, cfset does a pretty good job of changing it. Why do you need a
RRNR> parser even?

RRNR> FYI: MsXML can load and save files fine as well.
RRNR> 
RRNR> objXMLDOM = CreateObject("COM", "msxml2.DOMDocument.4.0");
RRNR> objXMLDOM.async = false;
RRNR> objXMLDOM.load("c:\path\foo.xml");
RRNR> writeOutput(objXMLDom.xml);
RRNR> objXMLDOM.save("c:\path\bar.xml");
RRNR> 

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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)

soXML is no use as although it says it can load, and save an xml file - it
cant.  not successfully anyway.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 October 2002 15:27
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


I use soXML here
http://www.dixonusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=company.company_stockquote I
haven't had any issues with it. Remember it uses the xml com object to do
its work. So if you're having trouble with it, it may just be a bad com
object.

Robert Everland III
Web Developer Extraordinaire
Dixon Ticonderoga Company
http://www.dixonusa.com 

-Original Message-
From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


yes, I am / and have used WDDX frequently over the years.  In fact I am
using it for this project now as its quick, reliable and easily manipulated!



-Original Message-
From: Deeds, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 October 2002 15:15
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


Just curious here, but why not WDDX. We are just beginning to explore using
XML to bring some data into CF, and it seemed to me that WDDX was the
perfect answer. In our case the XML is generated by an internal server,
which I grab with CFHTTP and then use WDDX to create a query set for further
manipulation and display.

Being new to XML, I don't know if WDDX is "good or bad" but it does work.
Are there pitfalls or concerns that I am missing here?


Dave Deeds
Idaho Power Company
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:37 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
> 
> 
> then its useless. looks like, as I said...its WDDX.
> 
> 
> 




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RE: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread jtwilker

I used it without problems. the application Downloaded an XML file and parsed
it using soXML. Not a single complaint other than slowness, which is why I
eventually just went directly to the COM object.

I wouldn't call it useless by any stretch. It got us up and parsing in now
time, and gave us time to create our own solution in the interim.

J.

On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:42:39 +0100 "Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> soXML is no use as although it says it can
> load, and save an xml file - it
> cant.  not successfully anyway.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Everland
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 16 October 2002 15:27
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
> 
> 
> I use soXML here
> http://www.dixonusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=company.company_stockquote
> I
> haven't had any issues with it. Remember it
> uses the xml com object to do
> its work. So if you're having trouble with it,
> it may just be a bad com
> object.
> 
> Robert Everland III
> Web Developer Extraordinaire
> Dixon Ticonderoga Company
> http://www.dixonusa.com 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
> 
> 
> yes, I am / and have used WDDX frequently over
> the years.  In fact I am
> using it for this project now as its quick,
> reliable and easily manipulated!
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Deeds, Dave
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 16 October 2002 15:15
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
> 
> 
> Just curious here, but why not WDDX. We are
> just beginning to explore using
> XML to bring some data into CF, and it seemed
> to me that WDDX was the
> perfect answer. In our case the XML is
> generated by an internal server,
> which I grab with CFHTTP and then use WDDX to
> create a query set for further
> manipulation and display.
> 
> Being new to XML, I don't know if WDDX is "good
> or bad" but it does work.
> Are there pitfalls or concerns that I am
> missing here?
> 
> 
> Dave Deeds
> Idaho Power Company
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) 
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:37 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
> > 
> > 
> > then its useless. looks like, as I
> said...its WDDX.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-16 Thread Stephen Moretti

Yeah - soXML does a great job, if you're importing XML or exporting XML.

However,  if you import XML with soXML into a struct, do some processing
with that struct, then write the struct back out to an XML file then things
start to go a bit squirlley

soXML always wants to add a rootname, even if the struct already has one.
soXML creates a struct variable called "value" with the contents from
between open/close tags.  When soXML writes the XML back it creates a nested
tag called VALUE within your XML tags, therefore invalidating your XML.
eg. Content  becomes myTag.value = "Content" becomes
Content

To add to that soXML doesn't seem to handle node type 2 (attributes) eg.
 attr1 appears to go missing during import

Not much, but enough to be troublesome.

Stephen

- Original Message -
From: "Robert Everland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:27 PM
Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed


> I use soXML here
> http://www.dixonusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=company.company_stockquote I
> haven't had any issues with it. Remember it uses the xml com object to do
> its work. So if you're having trouble with it, it may just be a bad com
> object.
>
> Robert Everland III
> Web Developer Extraordinaire
> Dixon Ticonderoga Company
> http://www.dixonusa.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
>
>
> yes, I am / and have used WDDX frequently over the years.  In fact I am
> using it for this project now as its quick, reliable and easily
manipulated!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Deeds, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 16 October 2002 15:15
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
>
>
> Just curious here, but why not WDDX. We are just beginning to explore
using
> XML to bring some data into CF, and it seemed to me that WDDX was the
> perfect answer. In our case the XML is generated by an internal server,
> which I grab with CFHTTP and then use WDDX to create a query set for
further
> manipulation and display.
>
> Being new to XML, I don't know if WDDX is "good or bad" but it does work.
> Are there pitfalls or concerns that I am missing here?
>
>
> Dave Deeds
> Idaho Power Company
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC)
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:37 AM
> > To: CF-Talk
> > Subject: RE: soXML - Flawed
> >
> >
> > then its useless. looks like, as I said...its WDDX.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> 
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Re: soXML - Flawed

2002-10-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey

> It appears that the soXML tag is flawed, this is why it will not with my
> XML doc. more later, I need some rest before Hockey tonight! :-)

Break a leg! Not yours of course. ;P

S. Isaac Dealey
Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer

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