[cfaussie] Next QLD CFUG meeting TONIGHT, Tuesday 2nd May in the Brisbane CBD
Details: When : 6:30 pm, Tuesday, 2nd of May 2006 Where : ABN AMRO Morgans Limited Level 29, 123 Eagle Street (Riverside Centre) Brisbane CBD QLD 4000 More details here : http://qld.cfug.org.au/ This month at CFUG QLD: Its already CFUG time again! All these public holidays have made the last month fly by. Don't forget that this month's CFUG meeting is on Tuesday night next week, which is the first day back after the long weekend that starts at 5pm tonight. This month's feature topic is a special presentation by William Wechtenhiser on Flex Data Services. William is the Director of the Flex Enterprise team at Adobe. We'll also have a special new section call 'Tool Tips', that I'm hoping will become a semi-regular topics at our meetings. We'll be looking at a collection of useful utility apps. The kind of things that make your development life easier and make you more productive. Richard Turner-Jones from QMUG will be sharing with us his favourite set of utility apps. The meeting will also have our usual (and ever popular) general open floor QA discussion, so bring your questions and problems. As usual there will be free pizza, subways and drinks. If you haven't already, then please RSVP by noon Tuesday, 2nd of May, as it helps make sure there's enough pizza and subs for everyone. The first Adobe 'care package' has arrived. There's lots of cool and interesting things in it, so there'll be lots of new Adobe branded give-aways, and a clean out of some of the older stuff too. IF YOU DON'T RSVP, YOU DON'T GO IN THE PRIZE DRAW! Send that email now!! Don't miss it. See you there. Darren Tracey CFUG QLD Manager --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Quoting - calculate the planning to dev to testing ratio
I've posted a excel spreadsheet I've done before (in the past) which helps break down the work load into ratings of high/medium/low. http://www.mossyblog.com/archives/504.cfm I've been getting more and more into BPMN / UML with simulations attached. In that breakdown a project into BPMN using various tools (www.igrafx.com is my fav atm) once thats pegged down it also gives the client(s) or stakeholder(s) a reply in terms of what they want vs need. Based on that, one is able to focus on each task / process more in depth (ie 3 tiers of breakdown is generally a rule of thumb... the 4th tier would then be more UML focused). This is for quite large projects but for small once, i use the excel spreadsheet solution to simply rate high/med/low on classes and methods associated with them or more to the point actions that need making and it is pretty close to the mark in terms of quoting - when used heh. On 4/23/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Over the last 10 years I've had quite a few clients who havent had much more of an idea of what they want than i need a web site for my online store. Early on, I made the silly mistake of getting started on designs in the hope that if i gave them some idea of what it could look like, that would help them pin down more specifically what they needed. Dumb idea. I ended up doing a lot of work only to have the client say well i dont like that much, so I'll see if i can get a better idea from someone else. Lesson: no design work until you work out from the client what they want and get a payment up front. Not even a few suggested ideas. Similarly, no dev work either for much the same reason. And I reckon you cant work out what your design or development component is going to take you in terms of time and resources until you pin down what's going to be there. Do you need a flash expert? DBA? Designer? How do you know (and therefore how can you cost for it) if you havent specified out the site? It's amazing how many people not in the IT business are a bit surprised by my approach to it.They wouldnt ask a builder for a quote on building a house before they even decide how many bedrooms they need. As to Duncan's initial question about a rule of thumb as to proportions of time spent on the different phases of the project -i doubt whether you could draw a rule of thumb, since so few projects are just cookie-cutter versions of previous projects.You have to spec the job first, then cost all the rest of the project based on that. I guess you could keep track of how much time you spent doing the spec and build that into the quote, either as a cost/overhead recovery or a specific quoted item. Even when I look back at the sites I've built that are structurally similar, I can't really say there is a pattern about the amount of time spent on the different phases. Even for the same as that other job sites, there are significant differences in the amount of time spent.on each phase. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month On 4/23/06, Peter Tilbrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree about the design component. But if the client has no idea of what they want - or even some of the steps to get there... -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Post Long weekend brain fart
Hi Jeremy,I guess the one thing I am missing here is how you are changing the list into a query?why not just loop over the list?On 5/2/06, cfgroupie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys,I'm just having issues with my append function. I have dead setforgotten how to do this. I have a query I want to loop over and foreach time it loops over I want to append an ID. I have done this a million times...where...i don't know... code belowcfset candlist = 202,203,204,205cfscriptCChanges = QueryNew(CID);/cfscriptcfset NewList = '' cfloop query=CChangescfset IDs = ListAppend(NewList,#CChanges.CID#)cfoutput#ids#/cfoutput/cfloopBad week to give up coffee.. Jeremy-- Lucashttp://www.thebitbucket.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Post Long weekend brain fart
No I'm just cutting down the code so that you can see what I'm getting at. Its coming from a query, I'm just using querysetcell to illustrate that. Obviously not very well.hehehe. I'm looping over a query nonetheless, each time I loop over I want to append the CID. I swear I'm gonna kick myself when I'm done with this. J. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Post Long weekend brain fart
you might want to be doning thiscfset NewList= ListAppend(NewList,#CChanges.CID#)listAppend returns a listOn 5/2/06, cfgroupie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I'm just cutting down the code so that you can see what I'm gettingat. Its coming from a query, I'm just using querysetcell to illustratethat. Obviously not very well.hehehe. I'm looping over a querynonetheless, each time I loop over I want to append the CID. I swear I'm gonna kick myself when I'm done with this.J. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Post Long weekend brain fart
Ahh ok, got ya - ok so the query that you are looping over doesn't have any records in it...if it did, the loop over CChanges would contain the ids you need.L.On 5/2/06, cfgroupie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No I'm just cutting down the code so that you can see what I'm gettingat. Its coming from a query, I'm just using querysetcell to illustratethat. Obviously not very well.hehehe. I'm looping over a querynonetheless, each time I loop over I want to append the CID. I swear I'm gonna kick myself when I'm done with this.J.-- Lucashttp://www.thebitbucket.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] HTTP Error 405
Hi, I have a piece of client software that http posts some data, Im trying to interface with it with no luck. It returns an error 405 Here is the logfile entry 2006-05-02 03:50:42 192.168.91.126 POST /phoenixapp/comms - 80 - 192.168.91.100 - 405 0 0 If I browse to post url page or post to it from another page, it works fine. Ive read up on 405 and they seem to be suggesting that the page isnt allowed to accept posts. Can someone shed some light on this error and why it might be happening. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405
It's possible your server only accepts form submissions from it's own domain.BlairOn 5/2/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a piece of client software that http posts some data, I'm trying to interface with it with no luck. It returns an error 405 Here is the logfile entry 2006-05-02 03:50:42 192.168.91.126 POST /phoenixapp/comms - 80 - 192.168.91.100 - 405 0 0 If I browse to post url page or post to it from another page, it works fine. I've read up on 405 and they seem to be suggesting that the page isn't allowed to accept posts. Can someone shed some light on this error and why it might be happening. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405
How would I check / change this. Im using IIS 6 Windows 2003. Regards Dale Fraser From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blair McKenzie Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:10 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405 It's possible your server only accepts form submissions from it's own domain. Blair On 5/2/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a piece of client software that http posts some data, I'm trying to interface with it with no luck. It returns an error 405 Here is the logfile entry 2006-05-02 03:50:42 192.168.91.126 POST /phoenixapp/comms - 80 - 192.168.91.100 - 405 0 0 If I browse to post url page or post to it from another page, it works fine. I've read up on 405 and they seem to be suggesting that the page isn't allowed to accept posts. Can someone shed some light on this error and why it might be happening. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405
some servers reject posts submitted to a non cgi script. eg., if you submit a form to a html page. From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale FraserSent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:19 PMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405 How would I check / change this. Im using IIS 6 Windows 2003. RegardsDale Fraser From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blair McKenzieSent: Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:10 PMTo: cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405 It's possible your server only accepts form submissions from it's own domain.Blair On 5/2/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a piece of client software that http posts some data, I'm trying to interface with it with no luck. It returns an error 405 Here is the logfile entry 2006-05-02 03:50:42 192.168.91.126 POST /phoenixapp/comms - 80 - 192.168.91.100 - 405 0 0 If I browse to post url page or post to it from another page, it works fine. I've read up on 405 and they seem to be suggesting that the page isn't allowed to accept posts. Can someone shed some light on this error and why it might be happening. RegardsDale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405
Ok, The client software posts data to http://phoenix.cogmel.office/phoenixapp/comms Now comms is a servlet, not a directory, so this gets received by a java servlet. I want to replace this servlet with a coldfusion version. I can not change the client, so the url must remain the same. How can I map http://phoenix.cogmel.office/phoenixapp/comms to a .cfm I've tried using virtual directories and the like, but the client is doing dumb http posts and does not follow redirects or similar. Regards Dale Fraser From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Guennadi Moukine Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:29 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405 some servers reject posts submitted to a non cgi script. eg., if you submit a form to a html page. From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:19 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405 How would I check / change this. Im using IIS 6 Windows 2003. Regards Dale Fraser From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blair McKenzie Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:10 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405 It's possible your server only accepts form submissions from it's own domain. Blair On 5/2/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a piece of client software that http posts some data, I'm trying to interface with it with no luck. It returns an error 405 Here is the logfile entry 2006-05-02 03:50:42 192.168.91.126 POST /phoenixapp/comms - 80 - 192.168.91.100 - 405 0 0 If I browse to post url page or post to it from another page, it works fine. I've read up on 405 and they seem to be suggesting that the page isn't allowed to accept posts. Can someone shed some light on this error and why it might be happening. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405
Dale, This might be ompletely useless to you but... In apache I trap 404 and 403 errors and redirect them to a .cfm that decodes the URL and takes appropriate action. But I don't know if you can you do this is IIS? An example apache 'virtualhost' for such a thing would be: VirtualHost 127.0.0.1 ServerName yoursite DocumentRoot c:\content\yoursite ErrorDocument 403 /index.cfm ErrorDocument 404 /index.cfm CustomLog logs/yoursite.log common /VirtualHost What happens is that URLs like http://yoursite/yourpage get redirected to index.cfm (because 'yourpage' doesn't exist) which then extracts 'yourpage' from the URL and gets the content from the database. In your case I imagine that you would be looking at the form variables and making processing decisions appropriately - and I'm assuming that form variables will get passed through... Anyway, hope that helps... Cheers, Brett B) Dale Fraser wrote: Ok, The client software posts data to http://phoenix.cogmel.office/phoenixapp/comms http://phoenix.cogmel.office/phoenixapp/comms Now comms is a servlet, not a directory, so this gets received by a java servlet. I want to replace this servlet with a coldfusion version. I can not change the client, so the url must remain the same. How can I map http://phoenix.cogmel.office/phoenixapp/comms http://phoenix.cogmel.office/phoenixapp/comms to a .cfm I've tried using virtual directories and the like, but the client is doing dumb http posts and does not follow redirects or similar. Regards Dale Fraser *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Guennadi Moukine *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:29 PM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405 some servers reject posts submitted to a non cgi script. eg., if you submit a form to a html page. *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Dale Fraser *Sent:* Tuesday, May 02, 2006 12:19 PM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405 How would I check / change this. I’m using IIS 6 Windows 2003. Regards Dale Fraser *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Blair McKenzie *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:10 PM *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: HTTP Error 405 It's possible your server only accepts form submissions from it's own domain. Blair On 5/2/06, *Dale Fraser* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a piece of client software that http posts some data, I'm trying to interface with it with no luck. It returns an error 405 Here is the logfile entry 2006-05-02 03:50:42 192.168.91.126 http://192.168.91.126 POST /phoenixapp/comms - 80 - 192.168.91.100 http://192.168.91.100 - 405 0 0 If I browse to post url page or post to it from another page, it works fine. I've read up on 405 and they seem to be suggesting that the page isn't allowed to accept posts. Can someone shed some light on this error and why it might be happening. Regards Dale Fraser --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
