[cfaussie] Re: session, application, server scope, does ASP have the same?

[Barry Beattie]

which is why the few of us who started off with ASP (classic as
they're calling us) wasn't too fazed with Application.cfc - we'd seen
it all before... LIKE TEN YEARS AGO!

(c'mon ColdFusion 9 - give us "onServerStart" so we can properly
bootstrap start-ups)



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[cfaussie] recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Barry Beattie]

 - came across another recruter today (deliberatly not saying who) who
straight-up said that CF was on the way out.

and yet they (recruters) are looking for CF'ers and can't easily fill
the positions they've got on their books, converting PHP'ers to fill
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business) in CFML.

sigh...

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[cfaussie] Re: CF8 clustering - adding new instance

[Barry Beattie]

George, if you're still after some more info:

http://alagad.com/go/blog-entry/ha-clustering-coldfusion-part-1-installing-cf

"HA - Clustering ColdFusion Part 1 - Installing CF"

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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[M@ Bourke]

and your response to this person was??

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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Barry Beattie]

to be honest Matt, playing it very gently, not wanting to bite the
hand that may feed me...


but then again, what _could_ I say that the obvious couldn't say better?





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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[M@ Bourke]

So... how about those rainbow suspenders, Pretty cool way to keep your pants
up, eh?


> but then again, what _could_ I say that the obvious couldn't say better?
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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Andrew Scott]

yeah very good at keeping them that way too.



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[cfaussie] Building a cluster - CF vs JRun

[AJ Mercer]

What are people thoughts on creating instances and building cluster with
ColdFusion IDE verses JRUN Web Console?

If you have multiple machine, each with multiple instances, is it better to
user the JRun web console?

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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[KC Kuok]

Hi Barry,

I think the general feeling is that CF in Australia is on the way out.
But for us that keep up to that on the global front know that it will
be here to stay. Unfortunately for us it seems CF is not being used as
extensively as it should Down Under. The shortage is due to a few
factors, most important of which is 1) there are not enough good CF-
ers to go around, lets be honest you can get away with spaghetti code
in CF, which is a double sided blade. 2) There are not enough
companies willing to take on new coders without any prior CF
experience and 'train' them... 3) Which leads back to business
decisions being made that it is easier (and cheaper salary-wise/
contract-wise) to carry out a project in PHP, as you have a big pool
of novice-intermediate PHP coders compared to CF coders.

I think for Australia at least, if Adobe 1) Does not enforce lower
pricing for CF hosting by their hosting partners 2) push CF to Unis 3)
review pricing strategies to gain critical mass, In the long run no
matter how great the forthcoming versions of CF is going to be, only
big MNCs will use it, and unfortunately their coding teams are usually
not based in Australia, hence CF will probably keep becoming sidelined
in Australia while others continue to grow.

Just my 2 cents :)

On Apr 7, 10:27 pm, "Barry Beattie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  - came across another recruter today (deliberatly not saying who) who
> straight-up said that CF was on the way out.
>
> and yet they (recruters) are looking for CF'ers and can't easily fill
> the positions they've got on their books, converting PHP'ers to fill
> positions, and in one case, getting apps made (for their recruting
> business) in CFML.
>
> sigh...
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[cfaussie] Re: Building a cluster - CF vs JRun

[Owen West]

AJ,
 
We have gone the easy way and used the CF Administrator here - we have 3 
machines with multiple instances on each machine, some clustered and some not. 
We have used the CF Administrator simply because it is easier than using the 
Jrun console for the un-initiated. 
 
Having said that, however, we have edited the jrun jvm.config file for each of 
the instances in order to customise the jre version used, memory usage and so 
on.
 
Cheers,
 
Owen West  MCP MCAD MCSD
Computer Programmer 
Applications Development Team
Information Technology & Telecommunications
Hunter New England Health
Ph: (02) 4921 4194
Fax: (02) 4921 4191
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

>>> "AJ Mercer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/04/2008 8:30 am >>>
What are people thoughts on creating instances and building cluster with 
ColdFusion IDE verses JRUN Web Console?

If you have multiple machine, each with multiple instances, is it better to 
user the JRun web console?

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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Joel Cass]

I agree with most of that but on the topic of recruiters - they are just
sales people and I wouldn't take them seriously. They have a position to
sell to the client, not just you.

Say they were selling fridges. You can get the super duper models with
the ice machines and built in tv's and then you have your everyday
run-of-the-mill fridges. You come in wanting a super duper fridge but
all they have is run-of-the-mill fridges - they still want their
commission so they will try and sell you an everyday fridge.

Now replace everyday fridge with PHP and super duper fridge with
ColdFusion, and that explains why they are taking the "CF is on it's way
out" pitch.

But let's not go into this *monthly* debate again. Nobody knows if it's
on the way out. As long as people keep coding and doing good work (e.g.
maintainable projects) than it will be here to stay, whether Adobe
shelve the technology or not.

My two cents

Joel Cass

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of KC Kuok
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 9:25 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not
FUD from them too?


Hi Barry,

I think the general feeling is that CF in Australia is on the way out.
But for us that keep up to that on the global front know that it will
be here to stay. Unfortunately for us it seems CF is not being used as
extensively as it should Down Under. The shortage is due to a few
factors, most important of which is 1) there are not enough good CF-
ers to go around, lets be honest you can get away with spaghetti code
in CF, which is a double sided blade. 2) There are not enough
companies willing to take on new coders without any prior CF
experience and 'train' them... 3) Which leads back to business
decisions being made that it is easier (and cheaper salary-wise/
contract-wise) to carry out a project in PHP, as you have a big pool
of novice-intermediate PHP coders compared to CF coders.

I think for Australia at least, if Adobe 1) Does not enforce lower
pricing for CF hosting by their hosting partners 2) push CF to Unis 3)
review pricing strategies to gain critical mass, In the long run no
matter how great the forthcoming versions of CF is going to be, only
big MNCs will use it, and unfortunately their coding teams are usually
not based in Australia, hence CF will probably keep becoming sidelined
in Australia while others continue to grow.

Just my 2 cents :)

On Apr 7, 10:27 pm, "Barry Beattie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  - came across another recruter today (deliberatly not saying who) who
> straight-up said that CF was on the way out.
>
> and yet they (recruters) are looking for CF'ers and can't easily fill
> the positions they've got on their books, converting PHP'ers to fill
> positions, and in one case, getting apps made (for their recruting
> business) in CFML.
>
> sigh...


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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Detect]

Isn't CF in a constant state of being "on the way out"?

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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Michael Dinowitz]

For almost 13 years

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> Isn't CF in a constant state of being "on the way out"?
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[cfaussie] Re: Building a cluster - CF vs JRun

[Andrew Scott]

I would say, and not because I know either.

But I would say that CF IDE would actually connect and use JRun with
specific settings, and for finer control it might be better for doing it
inside Jrun.

Just an observation on how it may work.

 

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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Andrew Scott]

Joel,

To some degree you are right about them being sales people, but at the end
of the day it's the product that they are selling and that comes from the
client and what requirements they are looking for.

We struggled to get decent J2EE developers, and even though there is an
abundance of Java developers out there. We told our recruiters specifically
what we wanted.


Andrew Scott
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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Joel Cass
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 9:39 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD
from them too?


I agree with most of that but on the topic of recruiters - they are just
sales people and I wouldn't take them seriously. They have a position to
sell to the client, not just you.

Say they were selling fridges. You can get the super duper models with
the ice machines and built in tv's and then you have your everyday
run-of-the-mill fridges. You come in wanting a super duper fridge but
all they have is run-of-the-mill fridges - they still want their
commission so they will try and sell you an everyday fridge.

Now replace everyday fridge with PHP and super duper fridge with
ColdFusion, and that explains why they are taking the "CF is on it's way
out" pitch.

But let's not go into this *monthly* debate again. Nobody knows if it's
on the way out. As long as people keep coding and doing good work (e.g.
maintainable projects) than it will be here to stay, whether Adobe
shelve the technology or not.

My two cents

Joel Cass

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of KC Kuok
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 9:25 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not
FUD from them too?


Hi Barry,

I think the general feeling is that CF in Australia is on the way out.
But for us that keep up to that on the global front know that it will
be here to stay. Unfortunately for us it seems CF is not being used as
extensively as it should Down Under. The shortage is due to a few
factors, most important of which is 1) there are not enough good CF-
ers to go around, lets be honest you can get away with spaghetti code
in CF, which is a double sided blade. 2) There are not enough
companies willing to take on new coders without any prior CF
experience and 'train' them... 3) Which leads back to business
decisions being made that it is easier (and cheaper salary-wise/
contract-wise) to carry out a project in PHP, as you have a big pool
of novice-intermediate PHP coders compared to CF coders.

I think for Australia at least, if Adobe 1) Does not enforce lower
pricing for CF hosting by their hosting partners 2) push CF to Unis 3)
review pricing strategies to gain critical mass, In the long run no
matter how great the forthcoming versions of CF is going to be, only
big MNCs will use it, and unfortunately their coding teams are usually
not based in Australia, hence CF will probably keep becoming sidelined
in Australia while others continue to grow.

Just my 2 cents :)

On Apr 7, 10:27 pm, "Barry Beattie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  - came across another recruter today (deliberatly not saying who) who
> straight-up said that CF was on the way out.
>
> and yet they (recruters) are looking for CF'ers and can't easily fill
> the positions they've got on their books, converting PHP'ers to fill
> positions, and in one case, getting apps made (for their recruting
> business) in CFML.
>
> sigh...




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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Detect]

C'mon guys,

If CF was popular there would be no excuse to give to my employer to
send me to MAX or CFUnited.

Let's keep the myth going.


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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Andrew Scott]

Agreed,

I had this debate with Sean Corfield awhile ago when I got back into
developing Coldfusion, after a 2 year break. And the first thing that I had
noticed along the way was that even though as pointed out, Coldfusion can be
gotten up and running very quickly.

There is not enough who actually are software engineers, meaning that it
places a bigger hole in the market.

It is a catch 22 for most of the people who do pick up Coldfusion and find
how easy it is, and find that they are better off along the php, or .Net
route.

I sometimes sit back and watch a project go through its DLC here, under java
and find that even though it gets delivered on time and budget. The amount
of work sometimes done for the project, and think how quickly it could have
been done in Coldfusion.

But that is the reality, I doubt we will ever look for a Coldfusion
developer to come on board. Because of the fact we are Java primarily, with
a few clients still being maintained in CF. Only because we have gone
enterprise, and the tools we use can't be fitted into Coldfusion in its
current shape.



Andrew Scott
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Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
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Of KC Kuok
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 9:25 AM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD
from them too?


Hi Barry,

I think the general feeling is that CF in Australia is on the way out.
But for us that keep up to that on the global front know that it will
be here to stay. Unfortunately for us it seems CF is not being used as
extensively as it should Down Under. The shortage is due to a few
factors, most important of which is 1) there are not enough good CF-
ers to go around, lets be honest you can get away with spaghetti code
in CF, which is a double sided blade. 2) There are not enough
companies willing to take on new coders without any prior CF
experience and 'train' them... 3) Which leads back to business
decisions being made that it is easier (and cheaper salary-wise/
contract-wise) to carry out a project in PHP, as you have a big pool
of novice-intermediate PHP coders compared to CF coders.

I think for Australia at least, if Adobe 1) Does not enforce lower
pricing for CF hosting by their hosting partners 2) push CF to Unis 3)
review pricing strategies to gain critical mass, In the long run no
matter how great the forthcoming versions of CF is going to be, only
big MNCs will use it, and unfortunately their coding teams are usually
not based in Australia, hence CF will probably keep becoming sidelined
in Australia while others continue to grow.

Just my 2 cents :)

On Apr 7, 10:27 pm, "Barry Beattie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  - came across another recruter today (deliberatly not saying who) who
> straight-up said that CF was on the way out.
>
> and yet they (recruters) are looking for CF'ers and can't easily fill
> the positions they've got on their books, converting PHP'ers to fill
> positions, and in one case, getting apps made (for their recruting
> business) in CFML.
>
> sigh...


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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Andrew Scott]

It isn't a myth, it has been this way for almost 12 years that I have been
developing Coldfusion for.

But the reality is that it will never go away, it has its place and that is
what keeps most of us happy.



Andrew Scott
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Of Detect
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 10:08 AM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD
from them too?


C'mon guys,

If CF was popular there would be no excuse to give to my employer to
send me to MAX or CFUnited.

Let's keep the myth going.




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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[barry.b]

> For almost 13 years

Here! here! Michael. exactly the case. Tales of the demise seem
grossly exagerated...

I've got a few different skills under my belt, but I have absolutely
no embarrisment that CF is featured amongst them**

in fact, thanks to things like AIR and Flex, with support of the LCDS
products, Adobe are finally starting to get a solid technology
"stack" (top to bottom) happening. And CF riding on the coat-tails.

(I overheard a PHP'er complaining that all the Flex examples were only
written for CF - they obviously didn't look hard enough but also
didn't like the shoe being on the other foot...)

I can appreciate people moving larger apps to Java and whatnot but
geez I feel much safer with CF skills than, say, Progress or Delphi
or ...

maybe I should have taken M@'s suggestion and pointed out the irony of
the situation...?


"I think the general feeling is that CF in Australia is on the way
out.
But for us that keep up to that on the global front know that it will
be here to stay."

I'm suggesting it's only a "feeling", not being realised by the actual
situation.

but I do (first hand) see some shifts in the teaching of I.T generally
and Digital Media specifically. Enrollments in Australia are falling
and yet they're expanding (bigtime) in Europe (and the US if FullSail
is any guide).

meh, I'm not worried. the world is full of Chicken Little's...

b


** obviously not needing a spell checker isn't one of them...




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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[AJ Mercer]

Have a listen to the podcast on
http://coldfusionweekly.com/

-> Vince Bonfanti - Open Source BlueDragon
-> coming soon Gert Franz from Railo Technologies

They have a few things to say about promoting CFML to the web community at
large.


On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:39 AM, barry.b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> > For almost 13 years
>
> Here! here! Michael. exactly the case. Tales of the demise seem
> grossly exagerated...
>
> I've got a few different skills under my belt, but I have absolutely
> no embarrisment that CF is featured amongst them**
>
> in fact, thanks to things like AIR and Flex, with support of the LCDS
> products, Adobe are finally starting to get a solid technology
> "stack" (top to bottom) happening. And CF riding on the coat-tails.
>
> (I overheard a PHP'er complaining that all the Flex examples were only
> written for CF - they obviously didn't look hard enough but also
> didn't like the shoe being on the other foot...)
>
> I can appreciate people moving larger apps to Java and whatnot but
> geez I feel much safer with CF skills than, say, Progress or Delphi
> or ...
>
> maybe I should have taken M@'s suggestion and pointed out the irony of
> the situation...?
>
>
> "I think the general feeling is that CF in Australia is on the way
> out.
> But for us that keep up to that on the global front know that it will
> be here to stay."
>
> I'm suggesting it's only a "feeling", not being realised by the actual
> situation.
>
> but I do (first hand) see some shifts in the teaching of I.T generally
> and Digital Media specifically. Enrollments in Australia are falling
> and yet they're expanding (bigtime) in Europe (and the US if FullSail
> is any guide).
>
> meh, I'm not worried. the world is full of Chicken Little's...
>
> b
>
>
> ** obviously not needing a spell checker isn't one of them...
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 8, 9:55 am, "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > For almost 13 years
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Detect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Isn't CF in a constant state of being "on the way out"?- Hide quoted
> text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
> >
>


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[cfaussie] CF702 - cfquery caching

[AJ Mercer]

Hi Fusioneers,

I have an SQL I would like to cache, but have two strategies depending on
the parameters

If the parameters are for the current month, I only want to cache the query
for 1 day
If it is for a past month, I want to start the caching from after the last
day of that month

cfquery has two attributes to do this
- cachedwithin
- cachedafter

So I thought I would do this, but it looks like CF does not like the CFIF
inside the cfquery tag



  cachedwithin="#CreateTimeSpan(1,0,0,0)#"

   cachedafter="#rptDate#"

 >

Any ideas how I can do this?

For now, I will put the cfif on the outside and have two cfqueries.
Guess this is not a bad way of doing it, just thought it would be neat if it
could be done with one query.

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[cfaussie] Re: CF702 - cfquery caching

[KNOTT, Brian]

Just create 2 separate queries with cfif tags around them.  It means you will 
have 2 separate queries but its easier to understand.

 

e.g.

 





 

[cfaussie] Re: CF702 - cfquery caching

[Joel Cass]

This makes no sense:

 

"If it is for a past month, I want to start the caching from after the
last day of that month"

 

You are already *after* the last day of the previous month. Having such
a statement is unnecessary.

 

Just use the cachedwithin parameter and be done with it. It's a good
idea not to store caches in memory for too long (e.g. more than a day).

 

Otherwise, create a method for caching your queries based on parameters.
Store them in memory (e.g. application scope) or save them to file (e.g.
WDDX). At least that way you have full control over when and how your
queries are cached.

Joel Cass Developer

Gruden - Design | Development | Implementation
t +61 2 9299 9462 f +61 2 9299 9463 m 0414 688 774 www.gruden.com
  



From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of AJ Mercer
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 11:26 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] CF702 - cfquery caching

 

Hi Fusioneers,

I have an SQL I would like to cache, but have two strategies depending
on the parameters

If the parameters are for the current month, I only want to cache the
query for 1 day
If it is for a past month, I want to start the caching from after the
last day of that month

cfquery has two attributes to do this
- cachedwithin
- cachedafter

So I thought I would do this, but it looks like CF does not like the
CFIF inside the cfquery tag


 
  cachedwithin="#CreateTimeSpan(1,0,0,0)#" 
 
   cachedafter="#rptDate#" 
 
 >

Any ideas how I can do this?

For now, I will put the cfif on the outside and have two cfqueries.
Guess this is not a bad way of doing it, just thought it would be neat
if it could be done with one query.

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[cfaussie] Re: CF702 - cfquery caching

[AJ Mercer]

For the current month, I still want some caching - one days worth

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Joel Cass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  This makes no sense:
>
>
>
> "If it is for a past month, I want to start the caching from after the
> last day of that month"
>
>
>
> You are already *after* the last day of the previous month. Having such a
> statement is unnecessary.
>
>
>
> Just use the cachedwithin parameter and be done with it. It's a good idea
> not to store caches in memory for too long (e.g. more than a day).
>
>
>
> Otherwise, create a method for caching your queries based on parameters.
> Store them in memory (e.g. application scope) or save them to file (e.g.
> WDDX). At least that way you have full control over when and how your
> queries are cached.
>
> *Joel Cass *Developer
>
> *Gruden* - Design | Development | Implementation
> *t* +61 2 9299 9462 *f* +61 2 9299 9463 *m *0414 688 774 *www.gruden.com*
>   --
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On
> Behalf Of *AJ Mercer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 8 April 2008 11:26 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [cfaussie] CF702 - cfquery caching
>
>
>
> Hi Fusioneers,
>
> I have an SQL I would like to cache, but have two strategies depending on
> the parameters
>
> If the parameters are for the current month, I only want to cache the
> query for 1 day
> If it is for a past month, I want to start the caching from after the last
> day of that month
>
> cfquery has two attributes to do this
> - cachedwithin
> - cachedafter
>
> So I thought I would do this, but it looks like CF does not like the CFIF
> inside the cfquery tag
>  />
>
>   datasource="#APPLICATION.DataSourceMain#"
> 
>   cachedwithin="#CreateTimeSpan(1,0,0,0)#"
> 
>cachedafter="#rptDate#"
> 
>  >
>
> Any ideas how I can do this?
>
> For now, I will put the cfif on the outside and have two cfqueries.
> Guess this is not a bad way of doing it, just thought it would be neat if
> it could be done with one query.
>
> --
>
> AJ Mercer
> Web Log: http://webonix.net
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Dale Fraser]

I recently advertised a junior tester role.

 

129 applications, this is junior people with no real experience perhaps 1
year a uni degree.

 

I didn't see ColdFusion listed as skill on a single one.

 

Of all the people we have interviewed, we asked them about ColdFusion and
they all said they have heard of it but never used it.

 

One guy even said, hasn't that been replaced by .NET

 

ColdFusion isn't going anywhere soon, but it has some serious issues with
visibility and promotion. And after all these years, I have come to the
conclusion that Adobe will never address these issues in a significant
enough way to make a difference.

 

Will be interesting to see if the Open Source BlueDragon makes a difference.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

  http://learncf.com

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of AJ Mercer
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 10:52 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD
from them too?

 

Have a listen to the podcast on
http://coldfusionweekly.com/

-> Vince Bonfanti - Open Source BlueDragon
-> coming soon Gert Franz from Railo Technologies

They have a few things to say about promoting CFML to the web community at
large.



On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 8:39 AM, barry.b <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> For almost 13 years

Here! here! Michael. exactly the case. Tales of the demise seem
grossly exagerated...

I've got a few different skills under my belt, but I have absolutely
no embarrisment that CF is featured amongst them**

in fact, thanks to things like AIR and Flex, with support of the LCDS
products, Adobe are finally starting to get a solid technology
"stack" (top to bottom) happening. And CF riding on the coat-tails.

(I overheard a PHP'er complaining that all the Flex examples were only
written for CF - they obviously didn't look hard enough but also
didn't like the shoe being on the other foot...)

I can appreciate people moving larger apps to Java and whatnot but
geez I feel much safer with CF skills than, say, Progress or Delphi
or ...

maybe I should have taken M@'s suggestion and pointed out the irony of
the situation...?



"I think the general feeling is that CF in Australia is on the way
out.
But for us that keep up to that on the global front know that it will
be here to stay."

I'm suggesting it's only a "feeling", not being realised by the actual
situation.

but I do (first hand) see some shifts in the teaching of I.T generally
and Digital Media specifically. Enrollments in Australia are falling
and yet they're expanding (bigtime) in Europe (and the US if FullSail
is any guide).

meh, I'm not worried. the world is full of Chicken Little's...

b


** obviously not needing a spell checker isn't one of them...




On Apr 8, 9:55 am, "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> For almost 13 years
>
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Detect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Isn't CF in a constant state of being "on the way out"?- Hide quoted
text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

 




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[cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?

[Patrick McGLYNN]

Andrew,

I not sure if anyone here has tried it yet but where you say:

  "But that is the reality, I doubt we will ever look for a Coldfusion
> developer to come on board. Because of the fact we are Java  
> primarily, with
> a few clients still being maintained in CF. Only because we have gone
> enterprise, and the tools we use can't be fitted into Coldfusion in  
> its
current shape."

I say what about BPEL (Business Process Execution Language)?

It is designed just for this purpose, that is plugging in external  
services, sometimes legacy.

Check this link out [online] 
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/livecycle/articles/bpel4people_overview.html

One of the points at the bottom of the page "Portability - The ability  
to take design-time artifacts created in one vendor's environment and  
use them in another vendor's environment."

I think that coldfusion is getting ready for a take of with agile  
development in mind, although people do need to be trained with the  
knowledge of the tool at Universities.
But keeping in mind coldfusion is just an abstraction of Java which is  
taught.

Cheers Patrick McGLYNN

On 08/04/2008, at 10:11 AM, Andrew Scott wrote:

>
> Agreed,
>
> I had this debate with Sean Corfield awhile ago when I got back into
> developing Coldfusion, after a 2 year break. And the first thing  
> that I had
> noticed along the way was that even though as pointed out,  
> Coldfusion can be
> gotten up and running very quickly.
>
> There is not enough who actually are software engineers, meaning  
> that it
> places a bigger hole in the market.
>
> It is a catch 22 for most of the people who do pick up Coldfusion  
> and find
> how easy it is, and find that they are better off along the php,  
> or .Net
> route.
>
> I sometimes sit back and watch a project go through its DLC here,  
> under java
> and find that even though it gets delivered on time and budget. The  
> amount
> of work sometimes done for the project, and think how quickly it  
> could have
> been done in Coldfusion.
>
> But that is the reality, I doubt we will ever look for a Coldfusion
> developer to come on board. Because of the fact we are Java  
> primarily, with
> a few clients still being maintained in CF. Only because we have gone
> enterprise, and the tools we use can't be fitted into Coldfusion in  
> its
> current shape.
>
>
>
> Andrew Scott
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au
> Phone: +613  9015 8628
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
> On Behalf
> Of KC Kuok
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2008 9:25 AM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say "CF on the way out"? ... FFS!  
> not FUD
> from them too?
>
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> I think the general feeling is that CF in Australia is on the way out.
> But for us that keep up to that on the global front know that it will
> be here to stay. Unfortunately for us it seems CF is not being used as
> extensively as it should Down Under. The shortage is due to a few
> factors, most important of which is 1) there are not enough good CF-
> ers to go around, lets be honest you can get away with spaghetti code
> in CF, which is a double sided blade. 2) There are not enough
> companies willing to take on new coders without any prior CF
> experience and 'train' them... 3) Which leads back to business
> decisions being made that it is easier (and cheaper salary-wise/
> contract-wise) to carry out a project in PHP, as you have a big pool
> of novice-intermediate PHP coders compared to CF coders.
>
> I think for Australia at least, if Adobe 1) Does not enforce lower
> pricing for CF hosting by their hosting partners 2) push CF to Unis 3)
> review pricing strategies to gain critical mass, In the long run no
> matter how great the forthcoming versions of CF is going to be, only
> big MNCs will use it, and unfortunately their coding teams are usually
> not based in Australia, hence CF will probably keep becoming sidelined
> in Australia while others continue to grow.
>
> Just my 2 cents :)
>
> On Apr 7, 10:27 pm, "Barry Beattie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> - came across another recruter today (deliberatly not saying who) who
>> straight-up said that CF was on the way out.
>>
>> and yet they (recruters) are looking for CF'ers and can't easily fill
>> the positions they've got on their books, converting PHP'ers to fill
>> positions, and in one case, getting apps made (for their recruting
>> business) in CFML.
>>
>> sigh...
>
>
> >


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[cfaussie] Re: CF8 clustering - adding new instance

[George Lu]

Thank you Barry. I've installed the cluster with IIS. I'll put screen shots
together in my blog.

On 07/04/2008, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> George, if you're still after some more info:
>
>
> http://alagad.com/go/blog-entry/ha-clustering-coldfusion-part-1-installing-cf
>
> "HA - Clustering ColdFusion Part 1 - Installing CF"
>
>
> >
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[cfaussie] "cfqueryparam 101" - lesson 2: setting NULL values

[barry.b]

lesson 2: setting NULL values
--

consider this INSERT statement within a CFC (just one field out of
many). the db is SQLServer and the field a datetime**:

CASE
   WHEN  <> ''
THEN
   CONVERT(datetime,,103)
ELSE
   NULL
END,

this says:

if the value is NOT '' (empty string) then convert the string to a
datetime and insert else insert NULL

regarding inserting/updating with NULL:

there is an attribute within CFQUERYPARAM called "null" that, when is
true, inserts a NULL into that field (regardless of the value in the
"value" attribute)

How do you automatically know when your data needs this NULL for the
insert? check the length of the data for length = 0.



what's all this mess? ...
#YesNoFormat(not(len(FORM.IT_Request_Date)))#


the YesNoFormat() (which is optional) will convert any 1/0 to true/
false (or Yes/No)

len(FORM.IT_Request_Date) will return 0 if it's an empty string. But
for us, "0" means "true - give us a NULL instead". That's what the
NOT() does -reverses the 0 to 1 and therefore "length=0" to "TRUE"

more info from someone else to confirm this:
http://www.chapter31.com/2007/02/04/cfqueryparam-and-conditional-handling-of-nulls/



lesson 3: converting string dates to real database dates.
--

Dates coming from forms are strings - not true datetime objects (at
least not like the datetime objects expected by databases like
SQLServer).

Most of the time ColdFusion can happily convert it but sometimes an
ommision either throws an error, inserts an impossible date or simply
confuses AU format (dd/mm/) with US (mm/dd/).

so...

instead of converting strings with SQL to the 103 locale (Australia),
let some ColdFusion functions and CFQUERYPARAM help you

from this

CONVERT(datetime,,103)

to this:



many people have had problems with cf_sql_timestamp (SQLServer-
datetime-length:8) but the trick is to use LSParseDateTime() which
will make a reasonable attempt to turn anything that looks like a date
string into a proper date object. No mention of time means a default
to midnight ("00.00.000") after LSParseDateTime() is used.

in this case "cf_sql_timestamp" works quite happily with SQLServer-
datetime-length:8 - provided that it recieves a datetime object (eg
via LSParseDateTime() ), not a string representing one. No need for
createODBCdate or splitting a dd/mm/ on the "/" and reassembling.

the added bonus is that the "LS" locale-specific series of functions
will use the CF server settings to know that 01/02/2008 means the
first of Feb 2008 (dd/mm/) and not 2nd of Jan (mm/dd/ - US
format)

see:
http://livedocs.adobe.com/coldfusion/6.1/htmldocs/functa36.htm

=

these tips - and many more - are available _free_ from your local
ColdFusion user group. Open to all, no charge and catering
provided.There's probably a CFUG near you.

The Qld CF user group has a meeting tonight. Why not come along?
more info here: http://qld.cfug.org.au/

=


** ignore FORM scope within a CFC - that's worth mentioning another
time


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