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Re: [cfaussie] Least hated favourite J2EE Server for CF

2010-06-30 Thread M@ Bourke

"JRun actually does the trick."

JRun is very outdated, it doesn't even handle basic security like HTTPonly
cookies, you can hack them in by using undocumented hacks on the
jrun-web.xml, but other servers do this as a basic function.

If security isn't an issue then JRUN is fine for 99% of things.

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: CFHTTP to invalid SSL host

2010-06-30 Thread MrBuzzy

Thank you all for replying, I feel I should apologize - I can't access gmail
during the day at the moment :(

@Dale yes one of those would be nice, been trying for years.

@Mark True. I don't know why I said browsers.

Importing the certificate is not going to help in this case. Or at least I
can't find a way to tell the keystore 'hey, this host, with this cert, is
okay by me'.

After some investigation, I found how the hostname validation is done and it
is possible to implement your own hostname to certificate validator.
Ref:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/guide/security/jsse/JSSERefGuide.html#SettingHostnameVerifier


I had great hopes for this utility class below;
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/WebObjects/Web_Services/How_to_Trust_Any_SSL_Certificate


It has exactly what I need: SSLUtilities.trustAllHostnames()

I compiled this class and called it from CF but it had no effect. My guess
is it's a classloader issue. I'm not quite giving up and I'll try again
tomorrow. Perhaps someone more java-nerdy has some ideas? (Mandel I'm
looking at you!).

Maybe this could/should be done from CFML ... 

Cheers and thanks again.

On 30 June 2010 11:26, Antony Sideropoulos wrote:

> Or you could do it directly within CF using this CFAdmin extension:
> http://certman.riaforge.org/
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Pat  wrote:
> > http://jxplorer.org/ has a fairly nifty GUI for importing certificates
> > into a truststore.
> >
> > I would think that CF would use the truststore of the JRE/JDK that it
> > sits on. The truststore file that java uses is usually contained in a
> > file called "cacerts". Open this up with JXplorer and you'll see a
> > complete list of the trusted certs with the ability to add and delete.
> >
> > On Jun 30, 9:30 am, Barry Chesterman 
> > wrote:
> >> I could be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing something that you can
> add a
> >> certificate as a 'trusted cert' on the coldfusion server that is doing
> the
> >> cfhttp call, so maybe have a google for that too?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Mark Mandel 
> wrote:
> >> > I think you're stuck with what Dale is saying, or use keytool to
> import it
> >> > into the JDK.
> >>
> >> > Putting an exception into browsers is pretty straight forward.
> >>
> >> > Mark
> >>
> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:26 PM, MrBuzzy  wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Dear Brains-trust,
> >>
> >> >> I'd like to make a CFHTTP request over SSL to one of our dev servers.
> >>
> >> >> The dev server has a normal SSL certificate, from a trusted root
> >> >> authority.
> >>
> >> >> However the host name does not match the name registered to
> >> >> the certificate (because it's a dev host). CFHTTP fails to make the
> >> >> connection.
> >>
> >> >> Any thoughts on how to achieve this?
> >>
> >> >> While I haven't done much googling, I'm thinking about generating an
> >> >> untrusted certificate and using this instead.
> >> >> The downside being the certificate needs to be imported to each JVM
> and
> >> >> browser, as required.
> >>
> >> >> Cheers.
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RE: [cfaussie] Re: CFHTTP to invalid SSL host

2010-06-30 Thread Dale Fraser

Under $500 per year, good deal

 

https://www.digicert.com/order/order-1.php?prod=2

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

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http://cfmldocs.com  

http://learncf.com

http://flexcf.com

 

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Of MrBuzzy
Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 7:17 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: CFHTTP to invalid SSL host

 

Thank you all for replying, I feel I should apologize - I can't access gmail
during the day at the moment :(

 

@Dale yes one of those would be nice, been trying for years.

 

@Mark True. I don't know why I said browsers. 

 

Importing the certificate is not going to help in this case. Or at least I
can't find a way to tell the keystore 'hey, this host, with this cert, is
okay by me'. 

 

After some investigation, I found how the hostname validation is done and it
is possible to implement your own hostname to certificate validator. 

Ref:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/guide/security/jsse/JSSERefGuide.html#Se
ttingHostnameVerifier 

 

I had great hopes for this utility class below; 

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/WebObjects/Web_Services/How_to_Trust_Any_SSL_Ce
rtificate 

 

It has exactly what I need: SSLUtilities.trustAllHostnames()

 

I compiled this class and called it from CF but it had no effect. My guess
is it's a classloader issue. I'm not quite giving up and I'll try again
tomorrow. Perhaps someone more java-nerdy has some ideas? (Mandel I'm
looking at you!).

 

Maybe this could/should be done from CFML ...  

 

Cheers and thanks again. 

 

On 30 June 2010 11:26, Antony Sideropoulos 
wrote:

Or you could do it directly within CF using this CFAdmin extension:
http://certman.riaforge.org/


On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Pat  wrote:
> http://jxplorer.org/ has a fairly nifty GUI for importing certificates
> into a truststore.
>
> I would think that CF would use the truststore of the JRE/JDK that it
> sits on. The truststore file that java uses is usually contained in a
> file called "cacerts". Open this up with JXplorer and you'll see a
> complete list of the trusted certs with the ability to add and delete.
>
> On Jun 30, 9:30 am, Barry Chesterman 
> wrote:
>> I could be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing something that you can
add a
>> certificate as a 'trusted cert' on the coldfusion server that is doing
the
>> cfhttp call, so maybe have a google for that too?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Mark Mandel 
wrote:
>> > I think you're stuck with what Dale is saying, or use keytool to import
it
>> > into the JDK.
>>
>> > Putting an exception into browsers is pretty straight forward.
>>
>> > Mark
>>
>> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:26 PM, MrBuzzy  wrote:
>>
>> >> Dear Brains-trust,
>>
>> >> I'd like to make a CFHTTP request over SSL to one of our dev servers.
>>
>> >> The dev server has a normal SSL certificate, from a trusted root
>> >> authority.
>>
>> >> However the host name does not match the name registered to
>> >> the certificate (because it's a dev host). CFHTTP fails to make the
>> >> connection.
>>
>> >> Any thoughts on how to achieve this?
>>
>> >> While I haven't done much googling, I'm thinking about generating an
>> >> untrusted certificate and using this instead.
>> >> The downside being the certificate needs to be imported to each JVM
and
>> >> browser, as required.
>>
>> >> Cheers.
>>
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[cfaussie] CF developer population survey

2010-06-30 Thread Kai Koenig

Can I encourage everyone on this list to take the survey Adam Lehman (the CF 
product manager) is announcing here:

http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/coldfusion-developer-population-survey

Please take the 2 minutes time to do it.

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RE: [cfaussie] CF developer population survey

2010-06-30 Thread Steve Onnis

Not only am i popular i am CFPOP-ular!

Filled in :)

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Subject: [cfaussie] CF developer population survey

Can I encourage everyone on this list to take the survey Adam Lehman (the CF
product manager) is announcing here:

http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/coldfusion-developer-population-surve
y

Please take the 2 minutes time to do it.

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Re: [cfaussie] CF developer population survey

2010-06-30 Thread Robin Hilliard

On 01/07/2010, at 9:57 AM, Steve Onnis wrote:

> Not only am i popular i am CFPOP-ular!
> 
> Filled in :)

You sound CFFLUSHed with success. Congratulations joining the CFSELECT group of 
CFASSOCIATEs who program websites using ColdFusion - I'm sure no-one would 
CFOBJECT to your CFINCLUDEsion at this august CFTABLE, in fact they should be 
quite CFCONTENT.

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Re: [cfaussie] CF developer population survey

2010-06-30 Thread Mark Mandel

Oh no.. what have we done ;)

I need a CFBREAK.

Mark

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Robin Hilliard wrote:

> On 01/07/2010, at 9:57 AM, Steve Onnis wrote:
>
> > Not only am i popular i am CFPOP-ular!
> >
> > Filled in :)
>
> You sound CFFLUSHed with success. Congratulations joining the CFSELECT
> group of CFASSOCIATEs who program websites using ColdFusion - I'm sure
> no-one would CFOBJECT to your CFINCLUDEsion at this august CFTABLE, in fact
> they should be quite CFCONTENT.
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RE: [cfaussie] CF developer population survey

2010-06-30 Thread Dale Fraser

So you fill in your company and how many people work there?

 

So 5 people from the same company do that, how will that work exactly,
unless everyone types the company name exactly the same and he excludes
duplicates, these numbers will be off.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

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http://cfmldocs.com  

http://learncf.com

http://flexcf.com

 

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Sent: Thursday, 1 July 2010 10:17 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] CF developer population survey

 

Oh no.. what have we done ;)

I need a CFBREAK.

Mark

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Robin Hilliard 
wrote:

On 01/07/2010, at 9:57 AM, Steve Onnis wrote:

> Not only am i popular i am CFPOP-ular!
>
> Filled in :)

You sound CFFLUSHed with success. Congratulations joining the CFSELECT group
of CFASSOCIATEs who program websites using ColdFusion - I'm sure no-one
would CFOBJECT to your CFINCLUDEsion at this august CFTABLE, in fact they
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Re: [cfaussie] CF developer population survey

2010-06-30 Thread Mark Mandel

Well, URLs will be unique, so I'm sure they take that into account.

Mark

On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Dale Fraser  wrote:

> So you fill in your company and how many people work there?
>
>
>
> So 5 people from the same company do that, how will that work exactly,
> unless everyone types the company name exactly the same and he excludes
> duplicates, these numbers will be off.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Dale Fraser
>
>
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
>
> http://cfmldocs.com
>
> http://learncf.com
>
> http://flexcf.com
>
>
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark Mandel
> *Sent:* Thursday, 1 July 2010 10:17 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] CF developer population survey
>
>
>
> Oh no.. what have we done ;)
>
> I need a CFBREAK.
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Robin Hilliard 
> wrote:
>
> On 01/07/2010, at 9:57 AM, Steve Onnis wrote:
>
> > Not only am i popular i am CFPOP-ular!
> >
> > Filled in :)
>
> You sound CFFLUSHed with success. Congratulations joining the CFSELECT
> group of CFASSOCIATEs who program websites using ColdFusion - I'm sure
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[cfaussie] Melbourne Flex User Group Tonight

2010-06-30 Thread Dale Fraser

Hi All,

 

Sorry if I'm over promoting this, but it's the first event.

 

Venue: CogState
   Level 2 / 255 Bourke Street
   Melbourne Victoria

When:  1st Thursday of the month (TONIGHT)

Website:   http://mfug.groups.adobe.com  

Prizes:Twice a year we will draw a raffle for up to $2,100 USD
   of Adobe software, each user group you attend gets you
   one entry into the draw. So the more you come the more
   chance you have.

 

Agenda:6:30 - 7:00 Pizza & Drinks
   7:00 - 8:30 Presentation
   8:30 - 9:00 Questions & Discussion

 

SPECIAL!! There will be a prize draw tonight, come along and have a chance
to win Adobe Creative Suite Web Premium.

IMPORTANT!! If you can sign up at the above link and RSVP this would be
helpful for catering purposes.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

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Re: [cfaussie] Least hated favourite J2EE Server for CF

2010-06-30 Thread Sean Corfield

Yes, Tomcat 6 is certainly a very capable production-ready Servlet container.

I've run Adobe ColdFusion on Tomcat and JBoss quite a bit over the
years but you need a WAR deployment which I believe means Enterprise
Edition for production (it's been a while since I checked that - can
someone confirm/deny?).

ColdFusion 9 no longer lists Tomcat as a supported platform as I
recall, just JBoss, and I believe that has something to do with the
addition of Hibernate support (again, supposition - if anyone can
confirm, that would be nice).

For the vast majority of Adobe ColdFusion users, I see no reason to go
with the additional complexity of WAR deployment and a Servlet
container or JEE container other than JRun. For one thing, there are
some management features which rely on JRun so you'll lose a few
features in your CF Admin if you deploy to something else.

I started using Tomcat as a deployment target for ColdFusion as soon
as the CFMX J2EE Edition appeared (late 2002 or early 2003) so that I
could run CFMX on my Mac. The Macromedia Web Team had an existing
Tomcat instance that was part of the (pre-Allaire-acquisition) content
management system and I put CFMX on that as well. During my time at
Adobe, we went to production with CF8 on JBoss for a project I was on
within the hosted services division (Web Team continued to use JRun).

So it's definitely a matter of what you need from your installation.

Of course, OpenBD and Railo expose the whole WAR deployment approach
so you don't get an integrated install procedure but you can run them
on any Servlet container and once you go that route, you can run
multiple engines side-by-side. You'll see several blog posts out there
from community members talking about running all three engines
side-by-side on JRun, Tomcat, JBoss...

Sean

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Andrew Myers  wrote:
> Back in the "old days"  when I was solely a Java developer I always thought
> of Tomcat was seen as a "reference implementation" rather than a production
> ready server.
>
> Has that view changed?

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Re: [cfaussie] Melbourne Flex User Group Tonight

2010-06-30 Thread Toby Tremayne

Good for you Dale - promote as hard as you like :)  It may be a while  
before I can attend but it's nice to see it being done.


Toby
On 01/07/2010, at 10:50 AM, Dale Fraser wrote:


Hi All,

Sorry if I’m over promoting this, but it’s the first event.

Venue: CogState
   Level 2 / 255 Bourke Street
   Melbourne Victoria
When:  1st Thursday of the month (TONIGHT)
Website:   http://mfug.groups.adobe.com
Prizes:Twice a year we will draw a raffle for up to $2,100 USD
   of Adobe software, each user group you attend gets you
   one entry into the draw. So the more you come the more
   chance you have.

Agenda:6:30 – 7:00 Pizza & Drinks
   7:00 – 8:30 Presentation
   8:30 – 9:00 Questions & Discussion

SPECIAL!! There will be a prize draw tonight, come along and have a  
chance to win Adobe Creative Suite Web Premium.
IMPORTANT!! If you can sign up at the above link and RSVP this would  
be helpful for catering purposes.


Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au
http://cfmldocs.com
http://learncf.com
http://flexcf.com


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Re: [cfaussie] Least hated favourite J2EE Server for CF

2010-06-30 Thread Paul Kukiel


On 1/07/2010 12:49 PM, Sean Corfield wrote:

I've run Adobe ColdFusion on Tomcat and JBoss quite a bit over the
years but you need a WAR deployment which I believe means Enterprise
Edition for production (it's been a while since I checked that - can
someone confirm/deny?).
   


Confirmed war deployment if enterprise only.

Paul

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Re: [cfaussie] Total server ram for high load websites

2010-06-30 Thread David Ames


Wow! Can I ask what architecture you are using?



On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:38 PM, christophe albrech > wrote:


we use 32gigs per CF box (DBs are on separate servers). look this is  
this week's 100k shipment <360.gif>




On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Kym Kovan li...@mbcomms.net.au> wrote:

Forgot to mention this is all on 2008 R2 x64 with CF9 Enterprise 64bit


On 15/04/2010 11:54, Kym Kovan wrote:
On 15/04/2010 08:29, Barry Chesterman wrote:
I have seen 8BG recommended a couple of times around the net, what  
sort
of load do you experience off your server Kai, and do you find that  
your
8GB is mostly utilised, or could you get away with say 5 or 6GB of  
ram?


We at mbcomms have just moved a client to a virtual environment with a
bunch of CF9 servers running on 4GB RAM each. JVM set to take 3GB and
1GB left for the OS, etc. Seems to be OK but a tad more memory for  
both
might be a good thing, we are still fine tuning. We might wind a  
couple

up to 6 GB and give CF 4GB and compare those with the 3GB ones.

Got to love a virtual environment, just wind the hardware up and  
down as

needed :-)




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