[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-06 Thread Mark Mandel
If you want stupid cheap CF hosting -

http://www.hostingatoz.com/

I've actually only ever heard good thing about them.

Mark

On 3/6/07, elAdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I am hosting a CF7 site I developed.

 www.hostingfuse.com/

 The hosting had to be as cheap as possible and server usage is not
 expected to shoot through the roof anytime soon. So far, I think it's
 a sweat deal for the client. Support sometimes takes a bit long to
 reply - but otherwise it seems to work a treat. If you have private or
 semi-private site you want to do in CF, this certainly a cheap option
 in Perth. They'd also offer FarCry CMS.

 I think, they are somehow affiliated with FastHit.


 



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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-06 Thread Andrew Scott
Mark,

 

Cool, is that you being sarcastic or for real I did mention them earlier
so if you're for real good to know. Btw there support is very good
considering that they are as cheap as hell.

 



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Mobile: 0404 998 273

 

 

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If you want stupid cheap CF hosting - 

http://www.hostingatoz.com/

I've actually only ever heard good thing about them.

Mark

On 3/6/07, elAdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am hosting a CF7 site I developed.

www.hostingfuse.com/

The hosting had to be as cheap as possible and server usage is not
expected to shoot through the roof anytime soon. So far, I think it's 
a sweat deal for the client. Support sometimes takes a bit long to
reply - but otherwise it seems to work a treat. If you have private or
semi-private site you want to do in CF, this certainly a cheap option
in Perth. They'd also offer FarCry CMS.

I think, they are somehow affiliated with FastHit.






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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-06 Thread Tom MacKean
I had a little site for my baseball team hosted at *hostingfuse* and a
database table died. I sent their support helpdesk a please fix request on
29 Nov. They got back to me the same day and said, We are having a database
related issue that could be causing the problem. Once it's been resolved,
we'll contact you to see if you're still having an issue

I chased them again on the 18 Dec no reply.

I chased them again in Jan and got this on Jan 11...

Tom -
Normally, each table in mySQL database would have 3 files - hitting.frm,
hitting.MYI and hitting.MYD
Yours has hitting.ISM and hitting.ISD - I restored the files from the backup
taked on 1/11/06 - but it didn't make any difference. I'm not sure what else
we can do.

Guennadi M

PS: Apologies for the delays with getting back to you. We should be back on
track now :)

The table was not critical - I couldn't even be bothered rebuilding it, I
simply removed the functionality it provided from the web site. However,
what if it had been? I found this service less than satisfactory.

Just my experience.

Tom MacKean


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 I am hosting a CF7 site I developed.

 www.hostingfuse.com/

 The hosting had to be as cheap as possible and server usage is not
 expected to shoot through the roof anytime soon. So far, I think it's
 a sweat deal for the client. Support sometimes takes a bit long to
 reply - but otherwise it seems to work a treat. If you have private or
 semi-private site you want to do in CF, this certainly a cheap option
 in Perth. They'd also offer FarCry CMS.

 I think, they are somehow affiliated with FastHit.


 



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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-06 Thread Dale Fraser
HostingAtoZ,

 

So it's hosting A to Z incase you think it's

 

Hosting At OZ (ie in Australia) because it isn't.

 

I used it for a while, but they had a problem and it was totally down for
more than 2 days with basically no info or reasons.

 

At this point I moved elsewhere, I will however say that while it was up it
was good, but I wouldn't host anything that you need to be always up on it.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog

 

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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

 

If you want stupid cheap CF hosting - 

http://www.hostingatoz.com/

I've actually only ever heard good thing about them.

Mark

On 3/6/07, elAdi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I am hosting a CF7 site I developed.

www.hostingfuse.com/

The hosting had to be as cheap as possible and server usage is not
expected to shoot through the roof anytime soon. So far, I think it's 
a sweat deal for the client. Support sometimes takes a bit long to
reply - but otherwise it seems to work a treat. If you have private or
semi-private site you want to do in CF, this certainly a cheap option
in Perth. They'd also offer FarCry CMS.

I think, they are somehow affiliated with FastHit.






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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-05 Thread elAdi

I am hosting a CF7 site I developed.

www.hostingfuse.com/

The hosting had to be as cheap as possible and server usage is not
expected to shoot through the roof anytime soon. So far, I think it's
a sweat deal for the client. Support sometimes takes a bit long to
reply - but otherwise it seems to work a treat. If you have private or
semi-private site you want to do in CF, this certainly a cheap option
in Perth. They'd also offer FarCry CMS.

I think, they are somehow affiliated with FastHit.


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-04 Thread Scott Barnes

http://www.austiger.com.au/site/index.cfm


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-04 Thread Peter Tilbrook

Too pricey and too local.

And no Scorpio or up-to-date JVM.

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-04 Thread Steve Onnis

No Scorpio?

Its still in beta!

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Too pricey and too local.

And no Scorpio or up-to-date JVM.




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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-04 Thread Duncan

 Surely no one is hosting scorpio yet?

http://www.gotcfm.com/thelist.cfm

I was amazed to see the number of sites on here claiming to be running
CF 8. I know Camden.org and forta are running it - given their roles
in Adobe - no surprise.

But Aspen Snowmass? Abercrombie  Kent?  I understand Adobe's faith in
their Beta products, but surely a company wouldn't consider running
their production and mission critical apps on a product in beta. Or is
it really that good?

Duncan


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 Peter,

 Surely no one is hosting scorpio yet? I wish they were, bounty of features I
 am waiting for.

 Regards
 Dale Fraser

 http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog

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 Too pricey and too local.

 And no Scorpio or up-to-date JVM.





 



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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-04 Thread Mark Mandel
Duncan -

Which ones are running Scorpio, I couldn't see anything.

Generally anything pre-release is pretty tightly bound in a NDA, so I'd be
surprised if anyone other than nominated people are able to even talk about
it.

Mark

On 3/5/07, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  Surely no one is hosting scorpio yet?

 http://www.gotcfm.com/thelist.cfm

 I was amazed to see the number of sites on here claiming to be running
 CF 8. I know Camden.org and forta are running it - given their roles
 in Adobe - no surprise.

 But Aspen Snowmass? Abercrombie  Kent?  I understand Adobe's faith in
 their Beta products, but surely a company wouldn't consider running
 their production and mission critical apps on a product in beta. Or is
 it really that good?

 Duncan


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  Peter,
 
  Surely no one is hosting scorpio yet? I wish they were, bounty of
 features I
  am waiting for.
 
  Regards
  Dale Fraser
 
  http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog
 
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  Too pricey and too local.
 
  And no Scorpio or up-to-date JVM.
 
 
 
 
 
  
 


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-04 Thread Robin Hilliard

On 04/03/2007, at 11:30 PM, Peter Tilbrook wrote:

 Too pricey and too local.

 And no Scorpio or up-to-date JVM.

Hi Allan,

I have hosted RocketBoots and other sites with Austiger for years and  
have been very happy with their service - they implement CF  
Enterprise's security sandboxing on their shared server (read about  
it in your CF documentation - your site is completely vulnerable to  
other server users without it) are one of the very few companies to  
offer Oracle as a database option for shared CF sites.

I don't know where Peter is getting his information from - the JVMs  
are the correct, supported versions (how would he know otherwise?)  
and I don't see how any business can be too local...

Since just about everyone is getting name dropped somewhere in this  
thread I should also mention Mort Bay Hosting - http:// 
www.mbcomms.net.au/ - Kym has been a CFer for a long, long time and  
also knows a fair bit about the ins and outs of email servers.

Robin


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-04 Thread Andrew Scott

Steve,

Good question, and no one can really discuss that. But I would doubt that
anyone in the right mind would want to use it to host before release anyway.

Except I know one company got the right to do it with cfmx 7.0, but I think
that was a free developer hosting arrangement, don’t fully recall.
 

Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-04 Thread Mike Kear
I think its fair to say that unless there are very special circumstances,
such as Ray Camden's case where he is doing it with Adobe's agreement (and
presumably assistance), it would be lunacy for a hosting company to use an
unreleased version of ColdFusion, even supposing they had a copy that they
could use.

If anything went wrong with the installation there would be no support.  If
a site owner used a 'feature' that's in the unreleased version, then when
the real version is delivered that feature hasnt been included for any
reason there will be big trouble.

Anyway, by definition, a beta version is not fully tested.   There are
assumed to be bugs in it.  Thats why there is a test going on!  Any hosting
company that puts system software on production machines that hasnt been
fully tested is just asking for trouble.

And if it's not released,  and if it's not installed under a special licence
of the kind that I suppose Ray Camden has, then it's illegal software.

So except for two or three exceptions, any hosting company claiming to have
CF8 installed is simply wrong.  They dont, not legally anyway.

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
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ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month

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 Wouldn't it also be against the NDA to be running it in a production
 environment and charging clients to use it?

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  Surely no one is hosting scorpio yet?

 http://www.gotcfm.com/thelist.cfm

 I was amazed to see the number of sites on here claiming to be running
 CF 8. I know Camden.org and forta are running it - given their roles
 in Adobe - no surprise.

 But Aspen Snowmass? Abercrombie  Kent?  I understand Adobe's faith in
 their Beta products, but surely a company wouldn't consider running
 their production and mission critical apps on a product in beta. Or is
 it really that good?

 Duncan




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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Scott

What's your budget, I have a site hosted with http://www.hostingatoz.com/
technically not Australian as the servers are hosted offshore but have found
them to be not too bad and reasonably cheap for what they offer.


Andrew Scott
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273



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HI,

Are there any recomendations for coldfusion (MX 7) hosting in
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-01 Thread AJ Mercer
Check out http://www.fasthit.com.au/
They have been good for me.

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-01 Thread Steve Onnis

Alan

We can do your CF7 hosting for around $35 a month including a MSSQL
database.  Servers are local (Melbourne)

Need to know any more just let me know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or have a
look at www.inevative.com.au

Steve

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-01 Thread Peter Tilbrook

Mike Kear (www.apwebworks.com) offers great deals too. Servers are
based in Washington so if most of your traffic is from US then even
better.

On 02/03/07, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alan

 We can do your CF7 hosting for around $35 a month including a MSSQL
 database.  Servers are local (Melbourne)

 Need to know any more just let me know ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or have a
 look at www.inevative.com.au

 Steve

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 Sent: Friday, 2 March 2007 3:10 PM
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 Subject: [cfaussie] ColdFusion Hosting


 HI,

 Are there any recomendations for coldfusion (MX 7) hosting in
 Australia.





 



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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-01 Thread Mike Kear
Try AFPWebworks.com.  I hear the person running the show is a great guy.

We are directed at ColdFusion developers.   The only things you pay for are
disk space and bandwidth - anything else comes in teh deal. you can have as
many email accounts, domains, sub domains, domain aliases etc as you like.
You get a control panel so you can set up most of your own things.

Because we're mostly develoers, we have very few tag restrictions, so you
can use us for staging sites, development sites, testing as well as live
production sites under shared hosting.

Oh and when you phone us you will never hear press 1 for sales, press 2 for
support, press 3 for bilings, press 4 to get cut off and we'll never call
you back.   When you phone us you get a live human on the phone.

Check us out.  http://afpwebworks.com .

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month



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 Are there any recomendations for coldfusion (MX 7) hosting in
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting

2007-03-01 Thread Peter Tilbrook

oops

On 02/03/07, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Try AFPWebworks.com.  I hear the person running the show is a great guy.

 We are directed at ColdFusion developers.   The only things you pay for are
 disk space and bandwidth - anything else comes in teh deal. you can have as
 many email accounts, domains, sub domains, domain aliases etc as you like.
 You get a control panel so you can set up most of your own things.

 Because we're mostly develoers, we have very few tag restrictions, so you
 can use us for staging sites, development sites, testing as well as live
 production sites under shared hosting.

 Oh and when you phone us you will never hear press 1 for sales, press 2 for
 support, press 3 for bilings, press 4 to get cut off and we'll never call
 you back.   When you phone us you get a live human on the phone.

 Check us out.  http://afpwebworks.com .

 Cheers
 Mike Kear
 Windsor, NSW, Australia
 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
 AFP Webworks
 http://afpwebworks.com
 ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month




 On 3/2/07, Allan Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  HI,
 
  Are there any recomendations for coldfusion (MX 7) hosting in
  Australia.
 
 

  



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President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting Australia

2006-09-27 Thread Steve Onnis

I bed your pardon??

If this is the Ben I think it is I would suggest that you be very careful
what you say on here buddy.

We are very responsive with our service and we host some major websites.  We
use the same services as out clients so our business relies on the service
being as much as our clients.

We host developers who are on this list and I am sure they would vouch for
our responsiveness and willingness to assist with issues.

But if burning bridges is your thing, then burn away...

Steve





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If i may contribute,

Don't go Inevative, I've worked with a client who was using them, and
w, not happy. Very poor service, don't ask any questions, you
probably won't get a reply.

I'd recommend Web Central (webcentral.com.au). They're a tad expensive
maybe but they provide some really good services. I always recommend
them to clients, coldfusion or not. Their technical support has always
been top notch.

Ben[dog]






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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting Australia

2006-09-27 Thread Ben[dog]

Hey, not starting a war here or burning any bridge, far from me the
idea.
I'm just quoting that some client wasn't happy.
Surely, there are clients out there very happy with your services, but
surely it's valid to point that some weren't. Seems fair, this post was
asking feedback.

Mark, without going into what the client's needs were their overall
discontent came from a certain difficulty to obtain responses, and I
believe, rather expensive services.

Ben[dog]


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting Australia

2006-09-27 Thread Darren Tracey

Ben, for someone not wanting a war, or to burn any bridges, your last
two posts have had some very strong claims, that I would think are
getting very close to being 'fighting words'.
If there's some history or association between you and Inevative
(Steve) or between you and Web Central, then you need to put it on the
table for all to see, or withdraw your accusations, because at the
minute they appear (at least to me) very much to be an angry and
spitefull attack on another list member. A list member who contributes
a lot to the list and to the community.

Darren Tracey


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting Australia

2006-09-27 Thread Ben[dog]

It's wasn't my intention to be comming on strong, I just thought i'd
give some input to the debate, obviously my words aren't right, so mea
culpa for that, it's not my intention.
I was just contributing my two pence; seems like i've got rusty coins.

Ben


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting Australia

2006-09-26 Thread Ben[dog]

If i may contribute,

Don't go Inevative, I've worked with a client who was using them, and
w, not happy. Very poor service, don't ask any questions, you
probably won't get a reply.

I'd recommend Web Central (webcentral.com.au). They're a tad expensive
maybe but they provide some really good services. I always recommend
them to clients, coldfusion or not. Their technical support has always
been top notch. 

Ben[dog]


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting Australia

2006-09-05 Thread Andrew Mercer
Power Business Systems have been very happy with fastHit over the last few yearsWe use them for Farcry Hosting.On 9/5/06, CF Aussie Guy 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi all,Currently looking for somewhere to host a site, have found the following via google... 
Can anyone give feedback on any of them, or recommendations on others not listed.FAST.hit : 
http://fasthit.net/Inevative : http://www.inevative.com.au/Core Digital Media : 
http://www.core.com.au/Aus Tiger : 
http://www.austiger.com.au/Thanks. 





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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Hosting Australia

2006-09-04 Thread Peter Tilbrook
Whoa! Huge error here:http://www.inevative.com.au/Services/Hosting/index.cfmWhat is that your DEV server or something.
On 05/09/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

















Well seeing as no one has replied yet I will
jump in.



I run inevaitve / novahost hosting.
Our servers are Melbourne
based, not overseas which I feel makes a difference. All of our equipment
is local and we still, I believe are competitive.



We offer CFMX and CF7, MSSQL 2000 and
mySQL 5, webmail and the normal services that come with hosting like webmail
and so on.



We also have phone support as well as
email support.



If you want to ask any specific questions
about what we can do feel free shoot me an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will
give you a call directly



Steve











From: 
cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
CF Aussie Guy
Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006
2:03 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] ColdFusion
Hosting Australia





Hi all,

Currently looking for somewhere to host a site, have found the following via
google... 
Can anyone give feedback on any of them, or recommendations on others not
listed.

FAST.hit : http://fasthit.net/
Inevative : http://www.inevative.com.au/
Core Digital Media : http://www.core.com.au/
Aus Tiger : http://www.austiger.com.au/

Thanks.











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