[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
Dmitry, Can I confirm you to do this talk on june 21st on OpenID. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dmitry Yakhnov Sent: Friday, 16 March 2007 11:51 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Hi ppl, I am both hands up for monthly CFUG meetings and even can do presentation on OpenID next time. Best regards, Dmitry Yakhnov Technical Director Yakhnov Studio <http://www.yakhnov.info/> http://www.yakhnov.info/ _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG All, I just got off the phone with Steve, we had a good chat, and things aren't nearly as heated as they seem to be in email. Basically we've decided that we will share the load of running and organising the CFUG meetings between the two of us, and whoever else wants to help share in the responsibility. (Dale - willing to put your money where you mouth is and help organise presentations? :oD ) This may well be a relatively free form situation where there may be a roster to organise a presentation for the coming month(s), but I think it will end up being pooled into a combined effort. Steve and I both agree that there should be a return to monthly meetings with presentations - but there is often difficulty in organising people for every single month. I think that between a group of us, this should mean there will be a variety of presentations on a variety of interesting topics. Steve and I discussed doing the next meeting post WebDU, so keep your ears to the ground for that. But on that note - If *anyone* is willing to step and up and help organise presentations, please contact either me, or Steve, and we will coordinate our efforts together. Also if anyone is willing to do presentations on pretty much ANYTHING (high level, low level, CF related, Database related, Case Study, whatever), please contact me, or Steve, and let us know. This is the time to really get things happening people, but we really do need your help. Regards, Mark On 3/15/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Steve, I really hope that you're not upset, the tone of that suggests otherwise. I really hope that you still come and contribute to the meeting and I'm sure that all the regulars do also. I agree with marks Monthly meetings and discussion type sessions, hopefully we will get good attendance and build the group. PS: To all the slackers at my work who never attend, I want to see you there this year. You know who you are. I've also worked with lots of good people in the past who I know silently read this list and never comment, it's time to join in, you will learn some good stuff and meet some good people. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:40 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Its all yours Mark Good luck with it all _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:35 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG All, First off, non of this should put down any of the hard work that Steve has put into the Vic CFUG, He's done an excellent job over the past few years. But, Just to be clear on my position here, since people seem to enjoy talking on my behalf - * I'm more than happy to be nominated for the Role of CFUG user manager, If, and only If Steve wants to step down * I would honestly like to see a return to monthly meetings where there is a presentation each month. I know this is a lot of work, but I have several ideas: * Case Studies - people can present work they have done, and discuss what went well, and what went bad about it * 'Try a Framework' evening. Everyone gets together with their laptops and we all get a framework up and running and try out various things in a collaborative environement * CF Certification Study groups * Presentation on technologies (i.e. like what we have now) * Multi-session free training on CF (even beginner stuff) * NGA.net is still available as a venue (tho we have started filling up the space we used last time, but I think we can find somewhere to do it), as long as people still like South Melbourne as a venue. I think that last year showed that there were plenty of people in the group that were more than willing to sha
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
Dmitry, I think we're good for April (and I think May as well). I'll contact you off list - we may be looking at June. I know I'm interested in OpenID Mark On 3/16/07, Dmitry Yakhnov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi ppl, > > > > I am both hands up for monthly CFUG meetings and even can do presentation > on OpenID next time. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > *Dmitry Yakhnov* > > Technical Director > > > > Yakhnov Studio > > http://www.yakhnov.info/ > -- > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Mandel > *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:29 AM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG > > > > All, > > I just got off the phone with Steve, we had a good chat, and things aren't > nearly as heated as they seem to be in email. > > Basically we've decided that we will share the load of running and > organising the CFUG meetings between the two of us, and whoever else wants > to help share in the responsibility. > > (Dale - willing to put your money where you mouth is and help organise > presentations? :oD ) > > This may well be a relatively free form situation where there may be a > roster to organise a presentation for the coming month(s), but I think it > will end up being pooled into a combined effort. > > Steve and I both agree that there should be a return to monthly meetings > with presentations - but there is often difficulty in organising people for > every single month. I think that between a group of us, this should mean > there will be a variety of presentations on a variety of interesting topics. > > > Steve and I discussed doing the next meeting post WebDU, so keep your ears > to the ground for that. > > But on that note - > > *If *anyone* is willing to step and up and help organise presentations, > please contact either me, or Steve, and we will coordinate our efforts > together. * > > *Also if anyone is willing to do presentations on pretty much ANYTHING > (high level, low level, CF related, Database related, Case Study, whatever), > please contact me, or Steve, and let us know. * > > This is the time to really get things happening people, but we really do > need your help. > > Regards, > > Mark > > On 3/15/07, *Dale Fraser *<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steve, > > > > I really hope that you're not upset, the tone of that suggests otherwise. > I really hope that you still come and contribute to the meeting and I'm sure > that all the regulars do also. > > > > I agree with marks Monthly meetings and discussion type sessions, > hopefully we will get good attendance and build the group. > > > > PS: To all the slackers at my work who never attend, I want to see you > there this year. You know who you are. I've also worked with lots of good > people in the past who I know silently read this list and never comment, > it's time to join in, you will learn some good stuff and meet some good > people. > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog > > > -- > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Steve Onnis > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:40 AM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG > > > > Its all yours Mark > > > > Good luck with it all > > > -- > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Mandel > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:35 AM > > > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG > > All, > > First off, non of this should put down any of the hard work that Steve has > put into the Vic CFUG, He's done an excellent job over the past few years. > > But, Just to be clear on my position here, since people seem to enjoy > talking on my behalf - > >- I'm more than happy to be nominated for the Role of CFUG user >manager, If, and only If Steve wants to step down >- I would honestly like to see a return to monthly meetings where >there is a presentation each month. I know this is a lot of work, but I >have several ideas: > > > - Case Studies - people can present work they have done, and > discuss what went well, and what went bad about it > - 'Try a Framework' evening. Everyone gets together with their > laptops and we all get a framework up and running and try
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
Hi ppl, I am both hands up for monthly CFUG meetings and even can do presentation on OpenID next time. Best regards, Dmitry Yakhnov Technical Director Yakhnov Studio <http://www.yakhnov.info/> http://www.yakhnov.info/ _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 11:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG All, I just got off the phone with Steve, we had a good chat, and things aren't nearly as heated as they seem to be in email. Basically we've decided that we will share the load of running and organising the CFUG meetings between the two of us, and whoever else wants to help share in the responsibility. (Dale - willing to put your money where you mouth is and help organise presentations? :oD ) This may well be a relatively free form situation where there may be a roster to organise a presentation for the coming month(s), but I think it will end up being pooled into a combined effort. Steve and I both agree that there should be a return to monthly meetings with presentations - but there is often difficulty in organising people for every single month. I think that between a group of us, this should mean there will be a variety of presentations on a variety of interesting topics. Steve and I discussed doing the next meeting post WebDU, so keep your ears to the ground for that. But on that note - If *anyone* is willing to step and up and help organise presentations, please contact either me, or Steve, and we will coordinate our efforts together. Also if anyone is willing to do presentations on pretty much ANYTHING (high level, low level, CF related, Database related, Case Study, whatever), please contact me, or Steve, and let us know. This is the time to really get things happening people, but we really do need your help. Regards, Mark On 3/15/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Steve, I really hope that you're not upset, the tone of that suggests otherwise. I really hope that you still come and contribute to the meeting and I'm sure that all the regulars do also. I agree with marks Monthly meetings and discussion type sessions, hopefully we will get good attendance and build the group. PS: To all the slackers at my work who never attend, I want to see you there this year. You know who you are. I've also worked with lots of good people in the past who I know silently read this list and never comment, it's time to join in, you will learn some good stuff and meet some good people. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:40 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Its all yours Mark Good luck with it all _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:35 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG All, First off, non of this should put down any of the hard work that Steve has put into the Vic CFUG, He's done an excellent job over the past few years. But, Just to be clear on my position here, since people seem to enjoy talking on my behalf - * I'm more than happy to be nominated for the Role of CFUG user manager, If, and only If Steve wants to step down * I would honestly like to see a return to monthly meetings where there is a presentation each month. I know this is a lot of work, but I have several ideas: * Case Studies - people can present work they have done, and discuss what went well, and what went bad about it * 'Try a Framework' evening. Everyone gets together with their laptops and we all get a framework up and running and try out various things in a collaborative environement * CF Certification Study groups * Presentation on technologies (i.e. like what we have now) * Multi-session free training on CF (even beginner stuff) * NGA.net is still available as a venue (tho we have started filling up the space we used last time, but I think we can find somewhere to do it), as long as people still like South Melbourne as a venue. I think that last year showed that there were plenty of people in the group that were more than willing to share their time and their efforts in doing multiple presentations, and they were great (big kudos to Bjorn for his Flex presos). We should be able to capitalise on that and really get some momentum going. I have to admit, it does seem a little stop-start. But at the end of the day, that is simply my *opinion*, Steve puts in a lot of work in
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
Sorry Darren (QLD guru). This is a sad situation that has been occurring of late in the ACT. Have I given up yet? Nope. That is mainly due to the cool community - world wide - that ensure that even after all this time CFML should be taken seriously. If anything I am throwing even more effort into "Adobe's" ColdFusion product - including a major project - so huge even with my 12+ years dev experience I lose sleep over - "what is coming" tends to do that while still being able to deliver for what is on the shelf right now. Running a UG is bloody hard work. I think Darren Tracey is an exception to the rule (still hard work, but he seems to make it look easy, best meetings ever). You have my full support and if you want to create a fresh website from scratch check out my bodgy (knocked up in two weeks but using it 3 years later) "ColdUserGroup" project at RIAForge. Aimed at SQL Server but could be man-handled... I have also built up an amazing selection of books for the user group library (over 70 titles now) - many cool SQL Server 2005 ones are new - and some Vista ones coming (and I need help for reviews). The only condition for a lend is (depending on the title) photo ID and maybe a small refundable deposit - some of the books are very expensive. So here I am, promoted myself to El-Presidente of the ACTCFUG because there is no director, treasurer, secretary, just me. If you can deal with that you will do fine! And your fellow UG managers and members will support you. In theory. PT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
Folks, sorry if i started off a bit of a war here... if there is a group, count me it, just name the place and the time. if you want a presenter, just let me know - i have a few that I can recycle, i can even rehas my webdu presentation after i have given it in Sydney for the Melbourne folks, just let me know. Otherwise, anyone up for a beer or two on Friday? Lucas. On 3/15/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That sounds like a good result, I'll be really happy if we just get these > running every month, and if I'm in the country (currently in US) I'll be at > every meeting. > > > > As for setting up presentations, I'm willing and able to do heaps of > presentations from Coldfusion to Flash & Flex. I also work on others to do > some, I know Andrew could do some really good Dojo ones and some interesting > I Hate Vista ones J > > > > But seriously, if people post here what they might like to see I'll > present it. > > > > One great topic to present will be CF8 but I don't think we can do that > yet, but soon. So there will be plenty to present given all the CF8 goodies. > > > > PS: I like Steve's idea of getting new members, so if you want beginner > sessions let me know. > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog > > > -- > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Mandel > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2007 11:29 AM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG > > > > All, > > I just got off the phone with Steve, we had a good chat, and things aren't > nearly as heated as they seem to be in email. > > Basically we've decided that we will share the load of running and > organising the CFUG meetings between the two of us, and whoever else wants > to help share in the responsibility. > > (Dale - willing to put your money where you mouth is and help organise > presentations? :oD ) > > This may well be a relatively free form situation where there may be a > roster to organise a presentation for the coming month(s), but I think it > will end up being pooled into a combined effort. > > Steve and I both agree that there should be a return to monthly meetings > with presentations - but there is often difficulty in organising people for > every single month. I think that between a group of us, this should mean > there will be a variety of presentations on a variety of interesting topics. > > > Steve and I discussed doing the next meeting post WebDU, so keep your ears > to the ground for that. > > But on that note - > > *If *anyone* is willing to step and up and help organise presentations, > please contact either me, or Steve, and we will coordinate our efforts > together. * > > *Also if anyone is willing to do presentations on pretty much ANYTHING > (high level, low level, CF related, Database related, Case Study, whatever), > please contact me, or Steve, and let us know. * > > This is the time to really get things happening people, but we really do > need your help. > > Regards, > > Mark > > On 3/15/07, *Dale Fraser** *<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steve, > > > > I really hope that you're not upset, the tone of that suggests otherwise. > I really hope that you still come and contribute to the meeting and I'm sure > that all the regulars do also. > > > > I agree with marks Monthly meetings and discussion type sessions, > hopefully we will get good attendance and build the group. > > > > PS: To all the slackers at my work who never attend, I want to see you > there this year. You know who you are. I've also worked with lots of good > people in the past who I know silently read this list and never comment, > it's time to join in, you will learn some good stuff and meet some good > people. > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog > > > -- > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Steve Onnis > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:40 AM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG > > > > Its all yours Mark > > > > Good luck with it all > > > -- > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Mandel > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:35 AM > > > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG > > All, > >
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
That sounds like a good result, I’ll be really happy if we just get these running every month, and if I’m in the country (currently in US) I’ll be at every meeting. As for setting up presentations, I’m willing and able to do heaps of presentations from Coldfusion to Flash & Flex. I also work on others to do some, I know Andrew could do some really good Dojo ones and some interesting I Hate Vista ones :-) But seriously, if people post here what they might like to see I’ll present it. One great topic to present will be CF8 but I don’t think we can do that yet, but soon. So there will be plenty to present given all the CF8 goodies. PS: I like Steve’s idea of getting new members, so if you want beginner sessions let me know. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 11:29 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG All, I just got off the phone with Steve, we had a good chat, and things aren't nearly as heated as they seem to be in email. Basically we've decided that we will share the load of running and organising the CFUG meetings between the two of us, and whoever else wants to help share in the responsibility. (Dale - willing to put your money where you mouth is and help organise presentations? :oD ) This may well be a relatively free form situation where there may be a roster to organise a presentation for the coming month(s), but I think it will end up being pooled into a combined effort. Steve and I both agree that there should be a return to monthly meetings with presentations - but there is often difficulty in organising people for every single month. I think that between a group of us, this should mean there will be a variety of presentations on a variety of interesting topics. Steve and I discussed doing the next meeting post WebDU, so keep your ears to the ground for that. But on that note - If *anyone* is willing to step and up and help organise presentations, please contact either me, or Steve, and we will coordinate our efforts together. Also if anyone is willing to do presentations on pretty much ANYTHING (high level, low level, CF related, Database related, Case Study, whatever), please contact me, or Steve, and let us know. This is the time to really get things happening people, but we really do need your help. Regards, Mark On 3/15/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Steve, I really hope that you're not upset, the tone of that suggests otherwise. I really hope that you still come and contribute to the meeting and I'm sure that all the regulars do also. I agree with marks Monthly meetings and discussion type sessions, hopefully we will get good attendance and build the group. PS: To all the slackers at my work who never attend, I want to see you there this year. You know who you are. I've also worked with lots of good people in the past who I know silently read this list and never comment, it's time to join in, you will learn some good stuff and meet some good people. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:40 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Its all yours Mark Good luck with it all _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto: <mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:35 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG All, First off, non of this should put down any of the hard work that Steve has put into the Vic CFUG, He's done an excellent job over the past few years. But, Just to be clear on my position here, since people seem to enjoy talking on my behalf - * I'm more than happy to be nominated for the Role of CFUG user manager, If, and only If Steve wants to step down * I would honestly like to see a return to monthly meetings where there is a presentation each month. I know this is a lot of work, but I have several ideas: * Case Studies - people can present work they have done, and discuss what went well, and what went bad about it * 'Try a Framework' evening. Everyone gets together with their laptops and we all get a framework up and running and try out various things in a collaborative environement * CF Certification Study groups * Presentation on technologies (i.e. like what we have now) * Multi-session free training on CF (even beginner stuff) * NGA.net is still available as a venue (tho we have started filling up the space we used la
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Steve, That was very quick response, and I think it might be harsh to give up that easy. And I would like to put my opinion across and this is not an attack on you Steve, but the reality of how I see what is happening. Something needs to be done, and it needs to be done quickly we can't keep going the way it is going and Steve I do know you do I great job getting it done, but I don't think that a quarterly meeting is going to work and this is the reasons that I am going to put forward, and as a group I think we need to discuss this and move forward. The company I work for has been hired, by a company that has used Coldfusion for a at least 8 years that I know. And the reality is this, they have hired us to slowly migrate the website over to jsp and although I still program and push Coldfusion I can't in this case because the reality is that there is no developers free to take on this work. I had this same discussion with Sean Corfield and I ended up giving up, because from an employee's point of view he can only give a hint as to what is company is doing and how sales are going, but the reality is simple we have been competing with the likes of .jsp, .Net, perl, php and now rails. And when it comes to resources to do the job, Coldfusion doesn't have it anymore and it is going to get worse. So what do we do about it, we can only do so much but we have the added ability that the owner of Coldfusion now has other web application products that can work in very well with each other, and we need to start looking at expanding and making the technology more available to others to comment on with their peers. And although discussing the likes of case studies, or frameworks etc is good for those who aren't familiar with it, it is not really growing us as a community nor is getting people certified although this can help with job prospects. So let's discuss this further, and you other states that might be reading this, please put your opinion forward too, because at the end of the day we are one big community and it effects you people just as much in the long run as far as getting work goes. I am not fussed who its running the meetings, but we need to do something about our future. Andrew Scott Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:40 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Its all yours Mark Good luck with it all --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
All, I just got off the phone with Steve, we had a good chat, and things aren't nearly as heated as they seem to be in email. Basically we've decided that we will share the load of running and organising the CFUG meetings between the two of us, and whoever else wants to help share in the responsibility. (Dale - willing to put your money where you mouth is and help organise presentations? :oD ) This may well be a relatively free form situation where there may be a roster to organise a presentation for the coming month(s), but I think it will end up being pooled into a combined effort. Steve and I both agree that there should be a return to monthly meetings with presentations - but there is often difficulty in organising people for every single month. I think that between a group of us, this should mean there will be a variety of presentations on a variety of interesting topics. Steve and I discussed doing the next meeting post WebDU, so keep your ears to the ground for that. But on that note - If *anyone* is willing to step and up and help organise presentations, please contact either me, or Steve, and we will coordinate our efforts together. Also if anyone is willing to do presentations on pretty much ANYTHING (high level, low level, CF related, Database related, Case Study, whatever), please contact me, or Steve, and let us know. This is the time to really get things happening people, but we really do need your help. Regards, Mark On 3/15/07, Dale Fraser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steve, > > > > I really hope that you're not upset, the tone of that suggests otherwise. > I really hope that you still come and contribute to the meeting and I'm sure > that all the regulars do also. > > > > I agree with marks Monthly meetings and discussion type sessions, > hopefully we will get good attendance and build the group. > > > > PS: To all the slackers at my work who never attend, I want to see you > there this year. You know who you are. I've also worked with lots of good > people in the past who I know silently read this list and never comment, > it's time to join in, you will learn some good stuff and meet some good > people. > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog > > > -- > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Steve Onnis > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:40 AM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG > > > > Its all yours Mark > > > > Good luck with it all > > > -- > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Mandel > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:35 AM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG > > All, > > First off, non of this should put down any of the hard work that Steve has > put into the Vic CFUG, He's done an excellent job over the past few years. > > But, Just to be clear on my position here, since people seem to enjoy > talking on my behalf - > >- I'm more than happy to be nominated for the Role of CFUG user >manager, If, and only If Steve wants to step down >- I would honestly like to see a return to monthly meetings where >there is a presentation each month. I know this is a lot of work, but I >have several ideas: > - Case Studies - people can present work they have done, and > discuss what went well, and what went bad about it > - 'Try a Framework' evening. Everyone gets together with their > laptops and we all get a framework up and running and try out various > things > in a collaborative environement > - CF Certification Study groups > - Presentation on technologies (i.e. like what we have now) > - Multi-session free training on CF (even beginner stuff) >- NGA.net is still available as a venue (tho we have started filling >up the space we used last time, but I think we can find somewhere to do > it), >as long as people still like South Melbourne as a venue. > > I think that last year showed that there were plenty of people in the > group that were more than willing to share their time and their efforts in > doing multiple presentations, and they were great (big kudos to Bjorn for > his Flex presos). We should be able to capitalise on that and really get > some momentum going. I have to admit, it does seem a little stop-start. > > But at the end of the day, that is simply my *opinion*, Steve puts in a > lot of work into the CFUG, and much thanks to him for the work he does, but > I figured I w
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
oh my brain hurts, lame... fair enough its not a flex ug and a coldfusion ug but the impression i got is that most of the people who attended were pretty sharp. I'd rock up on the basis of just to catch up with you guys. The meetings i've been to so far were pretty cool. Hope it gets sorted out. Bjorn ps. might skip the vista/mssql meeting though On 15/03/2007, at 10:13 AM, Steve Onnis wrote: > For your information I am in the process or talking with the > Microsoft guy about doing some presentations for us and organising > other presentations as there is no point having meetings without > presentations. > > Last year I put it out there to have a meeting just to get everyone > together to keep them going and no one wanted to come along. So it > is more of a realisation that unless there are presenters no one > will come. > > For me its less about presentations and more about the networking > aspect. Presentations are a bonus, especially when there are new > people wanting to join the group. It seems that the remaining > people that come to the meetings are somewhat advanced which I feel > is deterring newcomers which is why I want to pull the meetings > back and have more general stuff, which is why I am talking to the > Microsoft group and other groups. Stuff like a presentation on > Vista and SQL2005 and stuff like that which are more information > based rather than having technical topics like the FLEX ones, which > even made my brain hurt. > > For those who say "I'll only come if I like the topic" well that's > not being part of the group really in my view. You come because > you want to be part of the group, not because there is a personal > gain for you each and every meeting. > > So my drive this year is new members, not existing members. The > existing members by the sounds of it based on the feedback already > know the importance of the group and should be attending regardless > of topics. The important thing is growing the group again and > getting new members and pulling back in the old members who haven't > attended for a while, in both cfug and mmug. > > Rest assured I am working on things, but it just doesn't happen by > clicking your fingers, but if you all would like Mark to take it > over I'll leave that up to him. I know I have offered for him to > take more of a part in the running of the group but he didn't > really have the time. > > Steve > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Dale Fraser > Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:54 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG > > Ok, > > > > I am interested in attending, Im sorry to say it, but I think > Steve is not running this effectively and is doing more harm good, > while he is a hell of a nice guy and has been doing all the work, > it took 6 months last year for the first meeting to be organized > and we are 3 ½ months into this year with no news. I think there > were only 4 or 5 last year in total, I attended them all they need > to me more regular. > > > > Now Ive mentioned this previously and then a meeting gets > organized, but I think thats not good enough any more and its > time to hand it over to someone. > > > > And rather than beat around the bush we need to organize this. As > the kind folk at NGA have offered their offices, I think it makes > sense that someone from there run it. > > > > I would like to nominate Mark Mandel to run the usergroup, he also > attended every meeting last year and I know that he is both > prepared to run it and would do a good job. But before this can > happen, Steve really needs to step aside and then anyone else > interested could step up also and we can vote if necessary on a new > UG Manager. I think Mark also needs to publicly step forward and > indicate if he would indeed accept the position if offered. > > > > Once again I would like to mention that I have respect for Steve > and we all appreciate his efforts over the years, but believe > strongly that the time has come for a change. > > > > Regards > > Dale Fraser > > > > http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog > > > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Lucas > Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:25 AM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: [cfaussie] OT: Melbourne CFUG > > > > Hey Folks, > i know that there has been a lot of offtopic chatter this week, so > in an effort to drag it back on topic, I would love to hear from > anyone who is inte
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
Its all yours Mark Good luck with it all _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:35 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG All, First off, non of this should put down any of the hard work that Steve has put into the Vic CFUG, He's done an excellent job over the past few years. But, Just to be clear on my position here, since people seem to enjoy talking on my behalf - * I'm more than happy to be nominated for the Role of CFUG user manager, If, and only If Steve wants to step down * I would honestly like to see a return to monthly meetings where there is a presentation each month. I know this is a lot of work, but I have several ideas: * Case Studies - people can present work they have done, and discuss what went well, and what went bad about it * 'Try a Framework' evening. Everyone gets together with their laptops and we all get a framework up and running and try out various things in a collaborative environement * CF Certification Study groups * Presentation on technologies (i.e. like what we have now) * Multi-session free training on CF (even beginner stuff) * NGA.net is still available as a venue (tho we have started filling up the space we used last time, but I think we can find somewhere to do it), as long as people still like South Melbourne as a venue. I think that last year showed that there were plenty of people in the group that were more than willing to share their time and their efforts in doing multiple presentations, and they were great (big kudos to Bjorn for his Flex presos). We should be able to capitalise on that and really get some momentum going. I have to admit, it does seem a little stop-start. But at the end of the day, that is simply my *opinion*, Steve puts in a lot of work into the CFUG, and much thanks to him for the work he does, but I figured I would clarify my position, so that it doesn't get muddied. Mark On 3/15/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For your information I am in the process or talking with the Microsoft guy about doing some presentations for us and organising other presentations as there is no point having meetings without presentations. Last year I put it out there to have a meeting just to get everyone together to keep them going and no one wanted to come along. So it is more of a realisation that unless there are presenters no one will come. For me its less about presentations and more about the networking aspect. Presentations are a bonus, especially when there are new people wanting to join the group. It seems that the remaining people that come to the meetings are somewhat advanced which I feel is deterring newcomers which is why I want to pull the meetings back and have more general stuff, which is why I am talking to the Microsoft group and other groups. Stuff like a presentation on Vista and SQL2005 and stuff like that which are more information based rather than having technical topics like the FLEX ones, which even made my brain hurt. For those who say "I'll only come if I like the topic" well that's not being part of the group really in my view. You come because you want to be part of the group, not because there is a personal gain for you each and every meeting. So my drive this year is new members, not existing members. The existing members by the sounds of it based on the feedback already know the importance of the group and should be attending regardless of topics. The important thing is growing the group again and getting new members and pulling back in the old members who haven't attended for a while, in both cfug and mmug. Rest assured I am working on things, but it just doesn't happen by clicking your fingers, but if you all would like Mark to take it over I'll leave that up to him. I know I have offered for him to take more of a part in the running of the group but he didn't really have the time. Steve _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Ok, I am interested in attending, I'm sorry to say it, but I think Steve is not running this effectively and is doing more harm good, while he is a hell of a nice guy and has been doing all the work, it took 6 months last year for the first meeting to be organized and we are 3 ½ months into this year with no news. I think there were only 4 or 5 last year in total, I attended them all they need to me more regular. Now I've mentioned this previously and then a meeting gets organized, but I think that's not good enough any more and it's time to hand it over to someone. And rather than beat around the bu
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
Steve, I really hope that youre not upset, the tone of that suggests otherwise. I really hope that you still come and contribute to the meeting and Im sure that all the regulars do also. I agree with marks Monthly meetings and discussion type sessions, hopefully we will get good attendance and build the group. PS: To all the slackers at my work who never attend, I want to see you there this year. You know who you are. Ive also worked with lots of good people in the past who I know silently read this list and never comment, its time to join in, you will learn some good stuff and meet some good people. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:40 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Its all yours Mark Good luck with it all _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 10:35 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG All, First off, non of this should put down any of the hard work that Steve has put into the Vic CFUG, He's done an excellent job over the past few years. But, Just to be clear on my position here, since people seem to enjoy talking on my behalf - * I'm more than happy to be nominated for the Role of CFUG user manager, If, and only If Steve wants to step down * I would honestly like to see a return to monthly meetings where there is a presentation each month. I know this is a lot of work, but I have several ideas: * Case Studies - people can present work they have done, and discuss what went well, and what went bad about it * 'Try a Framework' evening. Everyone gets together with their laptops and we all get a framework up and running and try out various things in a collaborative environement * CF Certification Study groups * Presentation on technologies (i.e. like what we have now) * Multi-session free training on CF (even beginner stuff) * NGA.net is still available as a venue (tho we have started filling up the space we used last time, but I think we can find somewhere to do it), as long as people still like South Melbourne as a venue. I think that last year showed that there were plenty of people in the group that were more than willing to share their time and their efforts in doing multiple presentations, and they were great (big kudos to Bjorn for his Flex presos). We should be able to capitalise on that and really get some momentum going. I have to admit, it does seem a little stop-start. But at the end of the day, that is simply my *opinion*, Steve puts in a lot of work into the CFUG, and much thanks to him for the work he does, but I figured I would clarify my position, so that it doesn't get muddied. Mark On 3/15/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For your information I am in the process or talking with the Microsoft guy about doing some presentations for us and organising other presentations as there is no point having meetings without presentations. Last year I put it out there to have a meeting just to get everyone together to keep them going and no one wanted to come along. So it is more of a realisation that unless there are presenters no one will come. For me its less about presentations and more about the networking aspect. Presentations are a bonus, especially when there are new people wanting to join the group. It seems that the remaining people that come to the meetings are somewhat advanced which I feel is deterring newcomers which is why I want to pull the meetings back and have more general stuff, which is why I am talking to the Microsoft group and other groups. Stuff like a presentation on Vista and SQL2005 and stuff like that which are more information based rather than having technical topics like the FLEX ones, which even made my brain hurt. For those who say "I'll only come if I like the topic" well that's not being part of the group really in my view. You come because you want to be part of the group, not because there is a personal gain for you each and every meeting. So my drive this year is new members, not existing members. The existing members by the sounds of it based on the feedback already know the importance of the group and should be attending regardless of topics. The important thing is growing the group again and getting new members and pulling back in the old members who haven't attended for a while, in both cfug and mmug. Rest assured I am working on things, but it just doesn't happen by clicking your fingers, but if you all would like Mark to take it over I'll leave that up to him. I know I have offered for him to take more of a part in the running of the group
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
Last year I put it out there to have a meeting just to get everyone together to keep them going and no one wanted to come along. So it is more of a realisation that unless there are presenters no one will come. > This wasnt for a meeting, this was for drinks and thats why no one came. For me its less about presentations and more about the networking aspect. > Then why hasnt there been a January, Feburary or March meeting to network? Presentations are a bonus, especially when there are new people wanting to join the group. It seems that the remaining people that come to the meetings are somewhat advanced which I feel is deterring newcomers which is why I want to pull the meetings back and have more general stuff, which is why I am talking to the Microsoft group and other groups. > I havent seen any requests from you this year for presentations. Stuff like a presentation on Vista and SQL2005 and stuff like that which are more information based rather than having technical topics like the FLEX ones, which even made my brain hurt. > I have to agree that the Cairngorm Flex stuff was a bit over the top for CF people, but given all the clever chaps there, I reckon you could easily get volunteers for an intro type session, Im happy to do some. For those who say "I'll only come if I like the topic" well that's not being part of the group really in my view. You come because you want to be part of the group, not because there is a personal gain for you each and every meeting. > Well I normally go either way, but it helps if there is something interesting being discussed. So my drive this year is new members, not existing members. The existing members by the sounds of it based on the feedback already know the importance of the group and should be attending regardless of topics. The important thing is growing the group again and getting new members and pulling back in the old members who haven't attended for a while, in both cfug and mmug. Rest assured I am working on things, but it just doesn't happen by clicking your fingers, but if you all would like Mark to take it over I'll leave that up to him. I know I have offered for him to take more of a part in the running of the group but he didn't really have the time. > I actually cant rest assured; I will rest when there is a UG meeting on a regular day every month. Steve _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Ok, I am interested in attending, Im sorry to say it, but I think Steve is not running this effectively and is doing more harm good, while he is a hell of a nice guy and has been doing all the work, it took 6 months last year for the first meeting to be organized and we are 3 ½ months into this year with no news. I think there were only 4 or 5 last year in total, I attended them all they need to me more regular. Now Ive mentioned this previously and then a meeting gets organized, but I think thats not good enough any more and its time to hand it over to someone. And rather than beat around the bush we need to organize this. As the kind folk at NGA have offered their offices, I think it makes sense that someone from there run it. I would like to nominate Mark Mandel to run the usergroup, he also attended every meeting last year and I know that he is both prepared to run it and would do a good job. But before this can happen, Steve really needs to step aside and then anyone else interested could step up also and we can vote if necessary on a new UG Manager. I think Mark also needs to publicly step forward and indicate if he would indeed accept the position if offered. Once again I would like to mention that I have respect for Steve and we all appreciate his efforts over the years, but believe strongly that the time has come for a change. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:25 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] OT: Melbourne CFUG Hey Folks, i know that there has been a lot of offtopic chatter this week, so in an effort to drag it back on topic, I would love to hear from anyone who is interested in meeting for a Melbourne CFUG. Now I know that there are people that have run this group in the past but it seems to have dried up so I am just really waving a big stick trying to work out if there is interest or if it is really dead and there is no CF in Melbourne. We kinda have a venue that we could use to run a meeting (it will cost us but don't let that put you off just yet) but before we go too far, i don't want to tread on toes... I would love to meet up and chat, shoot
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
All, First off, non of this should put down any of the hard work that Steve has put into the Vic CFUG, He's done an excellent job over the past few years. But, Just to be clear on my position here, since people seem to enjoy talking on my behalf - - I'm more than happy to be nominated for the Role of CFUG user manager, If, and only If Steve wants to step down - I would honestly like to see a return to monthly meetings where there is a presentation each month. I know this is a lot of work, but I have several ideas: - Case Studies - people can present work they have done, and discuss what went well, and what went bad about it - 'Try a Framework' evening. Everyone gets together with their laptops and we all get a framework up and running and try out various things in a collaborative environement - CF Certification Study groups - Presentation on technologies (i.e. like what we have now) - Multi-session free training on CF (even beginner stuff) - NGA.net is still available as a venue (tho we have started filling up the space we used last time, but I think we can find somewhere to do it), as long as people still like South Melbourne as a venue. I think that last year showed that there were plenty of people in the group that were more than willing to share their time and their efforts in doing multiple presentations, and they were great (big kudos to Bjorn for his Flex presos). We should be able to capitalise on that and really get some momentum going. I have to admit, it does seem a little stop-start. But at the end of the day, that is simply my *opinion*, Steve puts in a lot of work into the CFUG, and much thanks to him for the work he does, but I figured I would clarify my position, so that it doesn't get muddied. Mark On 3/15/07, Steve Onnis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For your information I am in the process or talking with the Microsoft > guy about doing some presentations for us and organising other presentations > as there is no point having meetings without presentations. > > Last year I put it out there to have a meeting just to get everyone > together to keep them going and no one wanted to come along. So it is more > of a realisation that unless there are presenters no one will come. > > For me its less about presentations and more about the networking aspect. > Presentations are a bonus, especially when there are new people wanting to > join the group. It seems that the remaining people that come to the > meetings are somewhat advanced which I feel is deterring newcomers which is > why I want to pull the meetings back and have more general stuff, which is > why I am talking to the Microsoft group and other groups. Stuff like a > presentation on Vista and SQL2005 and stuff like that which are more > information based rather than having technical topics like the FLEX ones, > which even made my brain hurt. > > For those who say "I'll only come if I like the topic" well that's not > being part of the group really in my view. You come because you want to be > part of the group, not because there is a personal gain for you each and > every meeting. > > So my drive this year is new members, not existing members. The existing > members by the sounds of it based on the feedback already know the > importance of the group and should be attending regardless of topics. The > important thing is growing the group again and getting new members and > pulling back in the old members who haven't attended for a while, in both > cfug and mmug. > > Rest assured I am working on things, but it just doesn't happen by > clicking your fingers, but if you all would like Mark to take it over I'll > leave that up to him. I know I have offered for him to take more of a part > in the running of the group but he didn't really have the time. > > Steve > > -- > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > Behalf Of *Dale Fraser > *Sent:* Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:54 AM > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG > > Ok, > > > > I am interested in attending, I'm sorry to say it, but I think Steve is > not running this effectively and is doing more harm good, while he is a hell > of a nice guy and has been doing all the work, it took 6 months last year > for the first meeting to be organized and we are 3 ½ months into this year > with no news. I think there were only 4 or 5 last year in total, I attended > them all they need to me more regular. > > > > Now I've mentioned this previously and then a meeting gets organized, but > I think that's not good enough any more and it's time to han
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
For your information I am in the process or talking with the Microsoft guy about doing some presentations for us and organising other presentations as there is no point having meetings without presentations. Last year I put it out there to have a meeting just to get everyone together to keep them going and no one wanted to come along. So it is more of a realisation that unless there are presenters no one will come. For me its less about presentations and more about the networking aspect. Presentations are a bonus, especially when there are new people wanting to join the group. It seems that the remaining people that come to the meetings are somewhat advanced which I feel is deterring newcomers which is why I want to pull the meetings back and have more general stuff, which is why I am talking to the Microsoft group and other groups. Stuff like a presentation on Vista and SQL2005 and stuff like that which are more information based rather than having technical topics like the FLEX ones, which even made my brain hurt. For those who say "I'll only come if I like the topic" well that's not being part of the group really in my view. You come because you want to be part of the group, not because there is a personal gain for you each and every meeting. So my drive this year is new members, not existing members. The existing members by the sounds of it based on the feedback already know the importance of the group and should be attending regardless of topics. The important thing is growing the group again and getting new members and pulling back in the old members who haven't attended for a while, in both cfug and mmug. Rest assured I am working on things, but it just doesn't happen by clicking your fingers, but if you all would like Mark to take it over I'll leave that up to him. I know I have offered for him to take more of a part in the running of the group but he didn't really have the time. Steve _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dale Fraser Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:54 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG Ok, I am interested in attending, Im sorry to say it, but I think Steve is not running this effectively and is doing more harm good, while he is a hell of a nice guy and has been doing all the work, it took 6 months last year for the first meeting to be organized and we are 3 ½ months into this year with no news. I think there were only 4 or 5 last year in total, I attended them all they need to me more regular. Now Ive mentioned this previously and then a meeting gets organized, but I think thats not good enough any more and its time to hand it over to someone. And rather than beat around the bush we need to organize this. As the kind folk at NGA have offered their offices, I think it makes sense that someone from there run it. I would like to nominate Mark Mandel to run the usergroup, he also attended every meeting last year and I know that he is both prepared to run it and would do a good job. But before this can happen, Steve really needs to step aside and then anyone else interested could step up also and we can vote if necessary on a new UG Manager. I think Mark also needs to publicly step forward and indicate if he would indeed accept the position if offered. Once again I would like to mention that I have respect for Steve and we all appreciate his efforts over the years, but believe strongly that the time has come for a change. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:25 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] OT: Melbourne CFUG Hey Folks, i know that there has been a lot of offtopic chatter this week, so in an effort to drag it back on topic, I would love to hear from anyone who is interested in meeting for a Melbourne CFUG. Now I know that there are people that have run this group in the past but it seems to have dried up so I am just really waving a big stick trying to work out if there is interest or if it is really dead and there is no CF in Melbourne. We kinda have a venue that we could use to run a meeting (it will cost us but don't let that put you off just yet) but before we go too far, i don't want to tread on toes... I would love to meet up and chat, shoot the breeze or even talk CF with folks. I will be at WebDU if you are interested i reviving the CFUG in Melbourne ok, that is it for now... I am going to go and program now, on an non-adobe operating system, on a computer not built by adobe, in a tool not built by adobe, in a language that is not CF - so I am really going to go to hell (sorry scott) -- Lucas http://www.thebitbucket.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because
[cfaussie] Re: OT: Melbourne CFUG
Ok, I am interested in attending, Im sorry to say it, but I think Steve is not running this effectively and is doing more harm good, while he is a hell of a nice guy and has been doing all the work, it took 6 months last year for the first meeting to be organized and we are 3 ½ months into this year with no news. I think there were only 4 or 5 last year in total, I attended them all they need to me more regular. Now Ive mentioned this previously and then a meeting gets organized, but I think thats not good enough any more and its time to hand it over to someone. And rather than beat around the bush we need to organize this. As the kind folk at NGA have offered their offices, I think it makes sense that someone from there run it. I would like to nominate Mark Mandel to run the usergroup, he also attended every meeting last year and I know that he is both prepared to run it and would do a good job. But before this can happen, Steve really needs to step aside and then anyone else interested could step up also and we can vote if necessary on a new UG Manager. I think Mark also needs to publicly step forward and indicate if he would indeed accept the position if offered. Once again I would like to mention that I have respect for Steve and we all appreciate his efforts over the years, but believe strongly that the time has come for a change. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au/blog _ From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lucas Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:25 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] OT: Melbourne CFUG Hey Folks, i know that there has been a lot of offtopic chatter this week, so in an effort to drag it back on topic, I would love to hear from anyone who is interested in meeting for a Melbourne CFUG. Now I know that there are people that have run this group in the past but it seems to have dried up so I am just really waving a big stick trying to work out if there is interest or if it is really dead and there is no CF in Melbourne. We kinda have a venue that we could use to run a meeting (it will cost us but don't let that put you off just yet) but before we go too far, i don't want to tread on toes... I would love to meet up and chat, shoot the breeze or even talk CF with folks. I will be at WebDU if you are interested i reviving the CFUG in Melbourne ok, that is it for now... I am going to go and program now, on an non-adobe operating system, on a computer not built by adobe, in a tool not built by adobe, in a language that is not CF - so I am really going to go to hell (sorry scott) -- Lucas http://www.thebitbucket.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
