[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Andrew Scott]

Well technically then Barry should have posted that thread in the
watercooler then..

 

Don't pin Scott and I for something that is technically off topic, and has
no relevance to solving CF related stuff



Andrew Scott
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  www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273

 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Tom MacKean
Sent: Friday, 27 April 2007 3:46 PM
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Subject: [cfaussie] Scott and Andrew have driven me away

 

OK. Had enough. I'm unsubscribing from cfaussie as of now. 

 

Let me make this perfectly clear. I am dropping off this list for one reason
only, and that is that every time someone comes up with a sensible post
about something Scott and Andrew turn it into a flame war.

 

Scott - this is a list for people who have problems or questions about all
things COLDFUSION - it is not a forum for "Well you could do it with CF but
look at this alternative from MS". 

 

Andrew - To quote from Bambi "If ya can't say nuffin' nice, don't say
nuffin' at all." Have a look through your posts and see how many have ADDED
to people's knowledge of a subject and how many have just been having a dig
at something someone (usually Scott) has said. 

 

They went and set up a whole new watercooler newsgroup for you guys so you
could take your crap off cfaussie but your egos keep you posting in other
people's topics.

 

What a couple of pricks.

 

Don't bother replying, I'm gone.

 

Tom MacKean
 



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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Bjorn Schultheiss]

The man quotes Bambi,

Let him cry...


On 27/04/2007, at 3:46 PM, Tom MacKean wrote:

> OK. Had enough. I'm unsubscribing from cfaussie as of now.
>
> Let me make this perfectly clear. I am dropping off this list for  
> one reason only, and that is that every time someone comes up with  
> a sensible post about something Scott and Andrew turn it into a  
> flame war.
>
> Scott - this is a list for people who have problems or questions  
> about all things COLDFUSION - it is not a forum for "Well you could  
> do it with CF but look at this alternative from MS".
>
> Andrew - To quote from Bambi "If ya can't say nuffin' nice, don't  
> say nuffin' at all." Have a look through your posts and see how  
> many have ADDED to people's knowledge of a subject and how many  
> have just been having a dig at something someone (usually Scott)  
> has said.
>
> They went and set up a whole new watercooler newsgroup for you guys  
> so you could take your crap off cfaussie but your egos keep you  
> posting in other people's topics.
>
> What a couple of pricks.
>
> Don't bother replying, I'm gone.
>
> Tom MacKean
>
>



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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Simon Haddon]

Hi,

You know,  I actually agree with him.  Thre as been alot of crap" floating
about in this news groups lately. All it does is undermine the group as a
whole.  It doesn't provide any benefit to the group and it makes ColdFusion
developers look like a bunch of amaturs, who are too busy fighting with each
other to provide any meaningful help.  It would be nice to build the
community rather than damage it.

Does everyone agree?  Why can't we use the water cooler for any of the
"other" business and try and keep this group a bit nicer than using it as a
means to take the micky out of each other or to make useless comparatives
between MS and Adobe or even worse rediculing people.

The people in the group are more professional than that, are they not?

Simon

On 27/04/07, Bjorn Schultheiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The man quotes Bambi,
>
> Let him cry...
>
>
> On 27/04/2007, at 3:46 PM, Tom MacKean wrote:
>
> OK. Had enough. I'm unsubscribing from cfaussie as of now.
>
>
>
> Let me make this perfectly clear. I am dropping off this list for one
> reason only, and that is that every time someone comes up with a sensible
> post about something Scott and Andrew turn it into a flame war.
>
>
>
> Scott - this is a list for people who have problems or questions about all
> things COLDFUSION - it is not a forum for "Well you could do it with CF but
> look at this alternative from MS".
>
>
>
> Andrew - To quote from Bambi "If ya can't say nuffin' nice, don't say
> nuffin' at all." Have a look through your posts and see how many have ADDED
> to people's knowledge of a subject and how many have just been having a dig
> at something someone (usually Scott) has said.
>
>
>
> They went and set up a whole new watercooler newsgroup for you guys so you
> could take your crap off cfaussie but your egos keep you posting in other
> people's topics.
>
>
>
> What a couple of pricks.
>
>
>
> Don't bother replying, I'm gone.
>
>
>
> Tom MacKean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Mike Chambers]

Tom,

I wouldn't leave the list just because of all of the trolling. We have 
had the same trolling issues (with some of the same people) recently on 
the Flex coders list, as well as Adobe blogs.

This list and other can be a really good resource, so instead of leaving 
I suggest you just set up mail filters to automatically delete the 
offending posters. I know it is not idea, but I think it is better than 
dropping out of what is otherwise a great resource and community.

mike chambers

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Tom MacKean wrote:
> OK. Had enough. I'm unsubscribing from cfaussie as of now.
>  
> Let me make this perfectly clear. I am dropping off this list for one 
> reason only, and that is that every time someone comes up with a 
> sensible post about something Scott and Andrew turn it into a flame war.
>  
> Scott - this is a list for people who have problems or questions about 
> all things COLDFUSION - it is not a forum for "Well you could do it with 
> CF but look at this alternative from MS".
>  
> Andrew - To quote from Bambi "If ya can't say nuffin' nice, don't say 
> nuffin' at all." Have a look through your posts and see how many have 
> ADDED to people's knowledge of a subject and how many have just been 
> having a dig at something someone (usually Scott) has said.
>  
> They went and set up a whole new watercooler newsgroup for you guys so 
> you could take your crap off cfaussie but your egos keep you posting in 
> other people's topics.
>  
> What a couple of pricks.
>  
> Don't bother replying, I'm gone.
>  
> Tom MacKean
>  
> 
> 

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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Barry Beattie]

fair enough. I've signed up to the watercooler list to do my bit. I've
avoided it because it just has too much crap. and any asking for
opinions/future directions stuff relating to CF I'll post there.

but the devil makes work for idle hands... there's hardly any core CF
questions because - lets face it - CF works darn well and a lot of the
grief is already sorted.

that may change when CF8 gets released but my guess is that Buntel and
co will have a lot of stuff nicely sorted, unlike the CF5 to CF6
transition or 6.0 to 6.1...



On 4/27/07, Simon Haddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You know,  I actually agree with him.  Thre as been alot of crap" floating
> about in this news groups lately. All it does is undermine the group as a
> whole.  It doesn't provide any benefit to the group and it makes ColdFusion
> developers look like a bunch of amaturs, who are too busy fighting with each
> other to provide any meaningful help.  It would be nice to build the
> community rather than damage it.
>
> Does everyone agree?  Why can't we use the water cooler for any of the
> "other" business and try and keep this group a bit nicer than using it as a
> means to take the micky out of each other or to make useless comparatives
> between MS and Adobe or even worse rediculing people.
>
> The people in the group are more professional than that, are they not?
>
> Simon
>
> On 27/04/07, Bjorn Schultheiss < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The man quotes Bambi,
> >
> >
> > Let him cry...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 27/04/2007, at 3:46 PM, Tom MacKean wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > OK. Had enough. I'm unsubscribing from cfaussie as of now.
> >
> >
> >
> > Let me make this perfectly clear. I am dropping off this list for one
> reason only, and that is that every time someone comes up with a sensible
> post about something Scott and Andrew turn it into a flame war.
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott - this is a list for people who have problems or questions about all
> things COLDFUSION - it is not a forum for "Well you could do it with CF but
> look at this alternative from MS".
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew - To quote from Bambi "If ya can't say nuffin' nice, don't say
> nuffin' at all." Have a look through your posts and see how many have ADDED
> to people's knowledge of a subject and how many have just been having a dig
> at something someone (usually Scott) has said.
> >
> >
> >
> > They went and set up a whole new watercooler newsgroup for you guys so you
> could take your crap off cfaussie but your egos keep you posting in other
> people's topics.
> >
> >
> >
> > What a couple of pricks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Don't bother replying, I'm gone.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom MacKean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Simon Haddon
>
>  >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Brett Payne-Rhodes]

Here here...

It was interesting for a while but I've had enough of the continual discussions 
involving MS, they're past the point where they are even remotely useful.

Brett
B)



Simon Haddon wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> You know,  I actually agree with him.  Thre as been alot of crap" 
> floating about in this news groups lately. All it does is undermine the 
> group as a whole.  It doesn't provide any benefit to the group and it 
> makes ColdFusion developers look like a bunch of amaturs, who are too 
> busy fighting with each other to provide any meaningful help.  It would 
> be nice to build the community rather than damage it.
> 
> Does everyone agree?  Why can't we use the water cooler for any of the 
> "other" business and try and keep this group a bit nicer than using it 
> as a means to take the micky out of each other or to make useless 
> comparatives between MS and Adobe or even worse rediculing people.
> 
> The people in the group are more professional than that, are they not?
> 
> Simon
> 
> On 27/04/07, *Bjorn Schultheiss* < [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> 
> The man quotes Bambi,
> 
> Let him cry...
> 
> 
> On 27/04/2007, at 3:46 PM, Tom MacKean wrote:
> 
>> OK. Had enough. I'm unsubscribing from cfaussie as of now.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Let me make this perfectly clear. I am dropping off this list for
>> one reason only, and that is that every time someone comes up with
>> a sensible post about something Scott and Andrew turn it into a
>> flame war.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Scott - this is a list for people who have problems or questions
>> about all things COLDFUSION - it is not a forum for "Well you
>> could do it with CF but look at this alternative from MS".
>>
>>  
>>
>> Andrew - To quote from Bambi "If ya can't say nuffin' nice, don't
>> say nuffin' at all." Have a look through your posts and see how
>> many have ADDED to people's knowledge of a subject and how many
>> have just been having a dig at something someone
>> (usually Scott) has said.
>>
>>  
>>
>> They went and set up a whole new watercooler newsgroup for you
>> guys so you could take your crap off cfaussie but your egos keep
>> you posting in other people's topics.
>>
>>  
>>
>> What a couple of pricks.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Don't bother replying, I'm gone.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Tom MacKean
>>
>>  
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers
> Simon Haddon
> > 


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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Andrew Scott]

Let me make this clear

Guilty as charged, it is very easy to attack Scott. He is young in his
position at M$ and it shows how easy he is to please his employer. Which
makes him an easy target, which is his own doing.

I know Scott has been around long enough to value him as a developer, but
Scott you really need to ease up on pushing M$ the way you do in a CF list.
It's just a natural reaction from me, I am out spoken because I don't suffer
fools lightly. And I don't value someone coming into this list and preach
how good M$ is. Whether they are or not, I always tinker with their products
and look at ways that can benefit my development.

Like everyone else on this list, and I know there are a lot of people who
agree that you came into this list after joining M$ and you have done
nothing but be pushy. That has shown on more than one occasion, but I will
agree that there is many OT and attacks and yes I am guilty. But it comes in
defense of people just being plain stupid, or pushy or just being naive.
Doesn't make it right either, but hey if you don't like it get out of the
kitchen.


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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Barry Beattie]

> but hey if you don't like it get out of the
> kitchen.

wot, and get around the CF_watercooler instead? great suggestion,
Andrew. Good on yer.


anyhoo, it's friday a'noon. Outa here.
this week's officially dead and buried
(like some OT threads, eh?)

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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Scott Barnes]

*rolls eyes* let it go Mike :) (4 months of this online
scratchmatch/nit picking at everything I do & say? I'm over it to be
honest) heh.

As for Tom,
*shrug* yeah fair point, I guess it can be easy to get carried away
sometimes, i'll take it on board and endeavor to reign it in :)



On 4/27/07, Mike Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tom,
>
> I wouldn't leave the list just because of all of the trolling. We have
> had the same trolling issues (with some of the same people) recently on
> the Flex coders list, as well as Adobe blogs.
>
> This list and other can be a really good resource, so instead of leaving
> I suggest you just set up mail filters to automatically delete the
> offending posters. I know it is not idea, but I think it is better than
> dropping out of what is otherwise a great resource and community.
>
> mike chambers
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Tom MacKean wrote:
> > OK. Had enough. I'm unsubscribing from cfaussie as of now.
> >
> > Let me make this perfectly clear. I am dropping off this list for one
> > reason only, and that is that every time someone comes up with a
> > sensible post about something Scott and Andrew turn it into a flame war.
> >
> > Scott - this is a list for people who have problems or questions about
> > all things COLDFUSION - it is not a forum for "Well you could do it with
> > CF but look at this alternative from MS".
> >
> > Andrew - To quote from Bambi "If ya can't say nuffin' nice, don't say
> > nuffin' at all." Have a look through your posts and see how many have
> > ADDED to people's knowledge of a subject and how many have just been
> > having a dig at something someone (usually Scott) has said.
> >
> > They went and set up a whole new watercooler newsgroup for you guys so
> > you could take your crap off cfaussie but your egos keep you posting in
> > other people's topics.
> >
> > What a couple of pricks.
> >
> > Don't bother replying, I'm gone.
> >
> > Tom MacKean
> >
> >
> >
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Grant Straker]

Scott,

I have no idea of the agenda for being so active on the various Adobe
product lists you are posting to. All I can say is that if it is
anyway to make people want to start using MS products then it isn't
working for me ( and a large number of other people on this list I
have spoken too). If anything it is actively turning us away from
anything to do with it.

With every post now I cringe as do others. I know your having fun and
all and to not expect a passionate response by a lot of people who
have build their companies and reputations on the software base is
naive at best.

Right now if i was given a sales pitch on the opposing technologies by
yourself or Mike I would believe Mikes was sincere and your one was
coming out of a MS marketing brochure.

Carry on posting the way you are but I can tell you that you will win
a few  battles but you'll lose the war.

My $0.2 worth.

Grant

On Apr 27, 7:52 pm, "Scott Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *rolls eyes* let it go Mike :) (4 months of this online
> scratchmatch/nit picking at everything I do & say? I'm over it to be
> honest) heh.
>
> As for Tom,
> *shrug* yeah fair point, I guess it can be easy to get carried away
> sometimes, i'll take it on board and endeavor to reign it in :)
>
> On 4/27/07, Mike Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Tom,
>
> > I wouldn't leave the list just because of all of the trolling. We have
> > had the same trolling issues (with some of the same people) recently on
> > the Flex coders list, as well as Adobe blogs.
>
> > This list and other can be a really good resource, so instead of leaving
> > I suggest you just set up mail filters to automatically delete the
> > offending posters. I know it is not idea, but I think it is better than
> > dropping out of what is otherwise a great resource and community.
>
> > mike chambers
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > Tom MacKean wrote:
> > > OK. Had enough. I'm unsubscribing from cfaussie as of now.
>
> > > Let me make this perfectly clear. I am dropping off this list for one
> > > reason only, and that is that every time someone comes up with a
> > > sensible post about something Scott and Andrew turn it into a flame war.
>
> > > Scott - this is a list for people who have problems or questions about
> > > all things COLDFUSION - it is not a forum for "Well you could do it with
> > > CF but look at this alternative from MS".
>
> > > Andrew - To quote from Bambi "If ya can't say nuffin' nice, don't say
> > > nuffin' at all." Have a look through your posts and see how many have
> > > ADDED to people's knowledge of a subject and how many have just been
> > > having a dig at something someone (usually Scott) has said.
>
> > > They went and set up a whole new watercooler newsgroup for you guys so
> > > you could take your crap off cfaussie but your egos keep you posting in
> > > other people's topics.
>
> > > What a couple of pricks.
>
> > > Don't bother replying, I'm gone.
>
> > > Tom MacKean
>
> --
> Regards,
> Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com


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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Scott Barnes]

I was waiting for your response Grant ;) heh

> With every post now I cringe as do others. I know your having fun and
> all and to not expect a passionate response by a lot of people who
> have build their companies and reputations on the software base is
> naive at best.

I take onboard what you're saying, but you're seeing it from one
perspective which isn't accurate. My role is to engage developers,
listen to them and show them paths in and out of Microsoft products,
illustrate the pro's and con's of executing certain objectives and how
they will stack. Part of this job also is get substantial answers from
Adobe, given certain staffers are more focused on politics then
actually listening, that's sadly what you're seeing. I've sent them an
email (again) last night asking for a truce? "Let's stop the dance we
appear to be doing". As to be honest, it's just an annoyance (but it's
their call in the end).

I ask simple point blank questions, and their reaction is "FUD" or
nit-pick at my signature or something along those lines as somehow
this changes the question? Questions never get answered and it ends in
political B.S. It's their way of side-stepping the issue, and like
your "others" Grant, lots of picked up on this and is why I get a lot
of offline comments like this:

---
"I'm not even close to your level of experience, but I've been around the
block more times than I care to discuss, and I've been burned by MM so
badly, it's not even funny.  I am a single employee, consulting firm -
and I've spent every hard-earned dollar on MM products - just to see the
software either be dropped altogether, or be repackaged in a much more
inexpensive bundle (of course, AFTER I blow all my damn money on their
Server products).

Not to ramble, but I just wanted to tell you much I appreciated your
post - it was well written, clear & concise, and most of all - ACCURATE.

I look forward to all of your future posts on the list - regardless of
topic :)
---

I've even gotten emails from members on this very list with a email
being typed up in draft form, but backed off and sent it to me instead
saying "This is what I was going to say but thought after watching how
they reacted to you, I wouldn't".. (in reference to when I joined
Microsoft they took an aggressive stance immediately)

Ok, this just baffles me and I have forwarded these to Mike & Co
saying "If this is what you want from your customers, this is flawed"
(I can forward you the dates/times as well if you like).

Point: How did we all get to this stage? I know how, It's easier to
hate Microsoft (it is, I get it a lot from non-Microsoft shops, its
the "cool" thing to do?)

>
> Right now if i was given a sales pitch on the opposing technologies by
> yourself or Mike I would believe Mikes was sincere and your one was
> coming out of a MS marketing brochure.

Well you're a fool in both ways to be honest as you're buying based on
persona's and not product's merits. This is a classic case of why i
made a quip today that Mike loves the camera, as you're associating a
persona to the product and not weighing up he product itself.

You've complained just as much as I have about their direction over
the years, only you don't blog it or voice it out loud? because you
know if you do those exclusive backstage passes you have gotten over
the years will suddenly dry up if you rock that boat?

> Carry on posting the way you are but I can tell you that you will win
> a few  battles but you'll lose the war.

What war? there's no war here other then two personalities having a
pi$$ing contest (I flicked Mike & Co an email tonight asking for a
truce on this political b.s, it's the second time i've asked so I'm
working on getting some of this scratch match offline if need be
instead of annoying folks like Tom?)

Bottom line Grant, I get what you're saying and agree in parts- but in
the end, I can't fully agree with someone whom has been just as
critical about them as I have, only my choice of voicing such opinions
is online, loud and clear (Since 2002) ?

I've known you for years Grant, and If you were also sincere in you
concerne you would of flicked me an email offline so...

Anywho, appreciate the feedback and have taken the undercurrent of it onboard

> My $0.2 worth.
>
> Grant
>
> On Apr 27, 7:52 pm, "Scott Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > *rolls eyes* let it go Mike :) (4 months of this online
> > scratchmatch/nit picking at everything I do & say? I'm over it to be
> > honest) heh.
> >
> > As for Tom,
> > *shrug* yeah fair point, I guess it can be easy to get carried away
> > sometimes, i'll take it on board and endeavor to reign it in :)
> >
> > On 4/27/07, Mike Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Tom,
> >
> > > I wouldn't leave the list just because of all of the trolling. We have
> > > had the same trolling issues (with some of the same people) recently on
> > > the Flex coders list, as well as Adobe blogs.
> >
> > > This list and other can be a r

[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[M@ Bourke]

>show them paths in and out of Microsoft products,
>illustrate the pro's and con's

Sweet give me a pro of using flex over WPF

thanks
Matt

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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Toby Tremayne]

Andrew I hate to be so blunt, and I'm genuinely not trying to be  
nasty here  but I think you're missing the point.  It's not just  
about your little wars with Scott Barnes - you (and several others)  
have a habit of regularly making posts that have absolutely no place  
on a professional mailing list.  We're not interested in reading  
those kinds of diatribes, and we're certainly not interested in  
seeing people personally abused, ridiculed and called names.

This is a resource for work - it used to be so good it attracted a  
lot of overseas posters.  Check back through the archives and you'll  
notice that the majority of posts now come from the same half a dozen  
people.  We all interact with the list less because we're sick of  
reading this garbage - I for one don't bother to check my cfaussie  
mail most of the time because I know it will just tick me off.

If nothing else, do the posters of this rubbish not realise that the  
people who read this list are their potential employers and  
colleagues??  Off topic posts are one thing - all lists have them and  
they can be important.  But the sort of thing that's been posted here  
over the last year or so (and almost constantly in the last few  
months) is puerile, needless and a total waste of everyone's time.  I  
don't care whether you post on watercooler or whatever.  I do think  
it would be nice if you (and I'm using you as an example, not the  
source of all evil) could treat this professional list and the people  
on it with the respect they deserve.

Toby

On 27/04/2007, at 17:07 , Andrew Scott wrote:

> Let me make this clear
>
> Guilty as charged, it is very easy to attack Scott. He is young in  
> his position at M$ and it shows how easy he is to please his  
> employer. Which makes him an easy target, which is his own doing.
>
> I know Scott has been around long enough to value him as a  
> developer, but Scott you really need to ease up on pushing M$ the  
> way you do in a CF list. It's just a natural reaction from me, I am  
> out spoken because I don't suffer fools lightly. And I don't value  
> someone coming into this list and preach how good M$ is. Whether  
> they are or not, I always tinker with their products and look at  
> ways that can benefit my development.
>
> Like everyone else on this list, and I know there are a lot of  
> people who agree that you came into this list after joining M$ and  
> you have done nothing but be pushy. That has shown on more than one  
> occasion, but I will agree that there is many OT and attacks and  
> yes I am guilty. But it comes in defense of people just being plain  
> stupid, or pushy or just being naive. Doesn't make it right either,  
> but hey if you don't like it get out of the kitchen.
>
>
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au
> Phone: +613  8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
> >



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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Toby Tremayne]

Andrew I hate to be so blunt, and I'm genuinely not trying to be  
nasty here  but I think you're missing the point.  It's not just  
about your little wars with Scott Barnes - you (and several others)  
have a habit of regularly making posts that have absolutely no place  
on a professional mailing list.  We're not interested in reading  
those kinds of diatribes, and we're certainly not interested in  
seeing people personally abused, ridiculed and called names.

This is a resource for work - it used to be so good it attracted a  
lot of overseas posters.  Check back through the archives and you'll  
notice that the majority of posts now come from the same half a dozen  
people.  We all interact with the list less because we're sick of  
reading this garbage - I for one don't bother to check my cfaussie  
mail most of the time because I know it will just tick me off.

If nothing else, do the posters of this rubbish not realise that the  
people who read this list are their potential employers and  
colleagues??  Off topic posts are one thing - all lists have them and  
they can be important.  But the sort of thing that's been posted here  
over the last year or so (and almost constantly in the last few  
months) is puerile, needless and a total waste of everyone's time.  I  
don't care whether you post on watercooler or whatever.  I do think  
it would be nice if you (and I'm using you as an example, not the  
source of all evil) could treat this professional list and the people  
on it with the respect they deserve.

Toby

On 27/04/2007, at 17:07 , Andrew Scott wrote:

> Let me make this clear
>
> Guilty as charged, it is very easy to attack Scott. He is young in  
> his position at M$ and it shows how easy he is to please his  
> employer. Which makes him an easy target, which is his own doing.
>
> I know Scott has been around long enough to value him as a  
> developer, but Scott you really need to ease up on pushing M$ the  
> way you do in a CF list. It's just a natural reaction from me, I am  
> out spoken because I don't suffer fools lightly. And I don't value  
> someone coming into this list and preach how good M$ is. Whether  
> they are or not, I always tinker with their products and look at  
> ways that can benefit my development.
>
> Like everyone else on this list, and I know there are a lot of  
> people who agree that you came into this list after joining M$ and  
> you have done nothing but be pushy. That has shown on more than one  
> occasion, but I will agree that there is many OT and attacks and  
> yes I am guilty. But it comes in defense of people just being plain  
> stupid, or pushy or just being naive. Doesn't make it right either,  
> but hey if you don't like it get out of the kitchen.
>
>
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au
> Phone: +613  8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
> >



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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Peter Tilbrook]

Scottie is one of the smartest people I've ever met. Fantastic for him on
getting a job at Microsoft. Best of both worlds really - cool OS's and
development tools  - insider knowledge - and still a ColdFusion and Flex
developer.

-- 
Peter Tilbrook
ColdGen Internet Solutions
President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
PO Box 2247
Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Scott Barnes]

Nah Peter, they're right, I did goof off a little too much on the List
and Toby hit the nail on the head.

:)

Anywho, keep moving forward ?

On 4/28/07, Peter Tilbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Scottie is one of the smartest people I've ever met. Fantastic for him on
> getting a job at Microsoft. Best of both worlds really - cool OS's and
> development tools  - insider knowledge - and still a ColdFusion and Flex
> developer.
>
> --
> Peter Tilbrook
> ColdGen Internet Solutions
> President, ACT and Region ColdFusion Users Group
> PO Box 2247
> Queanbeyan, NSW, 2620
> AUSTRALIA
>
> http://www.coldgen.com/
> http://www.actcfug.com/
>
> Tel: +61-2-6284-2727
> Mob: +61-0432-897-437
>
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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Andrew Scott]

Exactly Toby,

Scott has no business coming here and preaching M$ in the manner he did.

I am not alone on that, Scott just didn't see what he did. I have nothing
against Scott personally, I respect him as a developer but not as an
evangalist, he has gone about it wrong he just want listen.


On 4/28/07, Toby Tremayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Andrew I hate to be so blunt, and I'm genuinely not trying to be nasty
> here  but I think you're missing the point.  It's not just about your little
> wars with Scott Barnes - you (and several others) have a habit of regularly
> making posts that have absolutely no place on a professional mailing list.
> We're not interested in reading those kinds of diatribes, and we're
> certainly not interested in seeing people personally abused, ridiculed and
> called names.
>
>
> This is a resource for work - it used to be so good it attracted a lot of
> overseas posters.  Check back through the archives and you'll notice that
> the majority of posts now come from the same half a dozen people.  We all
> interact with the list less because we're sick of reading this garbage - I
> for one don't bother to check my cfaussie mail most of the time because I
> know it will just tick me off.
>
>
> If nothing else, do the posters of this rubbish not realise that the
> people who read this list are their potential employers and
> colleagues??  Off topic posts are one thing - all lists have them and they
> can be important.  But the sort of thing that's been posted here over the
> last year or so (and almost constantly in the last few months) is puerile,
> needless and a total waste of everyone's time.  I don't care whether you
> post on watercooler or whatever.  I do think it would be nice if you (and
> I'm using you as an example, not the source of all evil) could treat this
> professional list and the people on it with the respect they deserve.
>
>
> Toby
>
>  On 27/04/2007, at 17:07 , Andrew Scott wrote:
>
>  Let me make this clear
>
> Guilty as charged, it is very easy to attack Scott. He is young in his
> position at M$ and it shows how easy he is to please his employer. Which
> makes him an easy target, which is his own doing.
>
> I know Scott has been around long enough to value him as a developer, but
> Scott you really need to ease up on pushing M$ the way you do in a CF list.
> It's just a natural reaction from me, I am out spoken because I don't suffer
> fools lightly. And I don't value someone coming into this list and preach
> how good M$ is. Whether they are or not, I always tinker with their products
> and look at ways that can benefit my development.
>
> Like everyone else on this list, and I know there are a lot of people who
> agree that you came into this list after joining M$ and you have done
> nothing but be pushy. That has shown on more than one occasion, but I will
> agree that there is many OT and attacks and yes I am guilty. But it comes in
> defense of people just being plain stupid, or pushy or just being naive.
> Doesn't make it right either, but hey if you don't like it get out of the
> kitchen.
>
>
> Senior Coldfusion Developer
> Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
> www.aegeon.com.au
> Phone: +613  8676 4223
> Mobile: 0404 998 273
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Life is poetry, write it in your own words
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Toby Tremayne
> Senior Technical Consultant
> Lyricist Software
> 0416 048 090
> ICQ: 13107913
>
>
>
> >
>


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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Mike Kear]

For pete's sake Andrew, havent you got the message yet??

GIVE IT A REST FOR GOD's SAKE

Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month

On 4/28/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Exactly Toby,
>
> Scott has no business coming here and preaching M$ in the manner he did.
>
> I am not alone on that, Scott just didn't see what he did. I have nothing
> against Scott personally, I respect him as a developer but not as an
> evangalist, he has gone about it wrong he just want listen.
>
>

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[cfaussie] Re: Scott and Andrew have driven me away

[Pat Branley]

here here!

if it aint technical and related to CF, dont post it here cos most of
us dont give a rats...

watercooler was created for a reason.

Pat



On Apr 28, 2:03 pm, "Mike Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For pete's sake Andrew, havent you got the message yet??
>
> GIVE IT A REST FOR GOD's SAKE
>
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
> AFP Webworkshttp://afpwebworks.com
> ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month
>
> On 4/28/07, Andrew Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Exactly Toby,
>
> > Scott has no business coming here and preaching M$ in the manner he did.
>
> > I am not alone on that, Scott just didn't see what he did. I have nothing
> > against Scott personally, I respect him as a developer but not as an
> > evangalist, he has gone about it wrong he just want listen.


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