Re: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks
I have been following this tread from the start and have found out alot of good stuff. To me the best thing, hands down, is customer service. With the big companys you email them and they might ,just might, get back to you in a day or two. With John Nasta I have emailed him many times and I always get an answer back within a hour. Even on Sat. or Sun. Now that means more to me than anything. Vernon - Original Message - From: John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks Geez Tom, I almost forgot that this thread started with you. You are absolutely right that there is no reason to charge insurance on a shipment under $100. No question about it. About the backorders, sometimes it's not the vendor's fault. I just ordered a set of console mounting brackets for a customer and was told by the supplier that they were in stock. Then I got my order and the brackets weren't there but I was charged for them. The item was circled and hand and the words not available at this time were hand-written on the invoice. It ended up taking about 3 weeks to get the brackets. The supplier told me that it was because of a I.D. (inventory discrepancy) problem. They showed on their computer that the brackets were in, but when they physically checked, they weren't really there. Anyway, not making excuses, but sometimes things happen that are not the vendor's fault. You are a good customer to Ground Up and they show their appreciation by giving you a break. That's the way it should be. I give breaks to good customers as well. This is a highly competitive business (especially for the smaller players), and let's face it, most of the vendors are selling pretty much the same stuff (of course there are exceptions). In most cases, the only way to differentiate one company from the next is price and service. Usually the smaller shops will bend more for a good customer, because let's face it, the bigger shops have no idea who you are, and you are talking with somebody whose job is to answer phones. John Nasta -Original Message- If I may offer my insight on shipping here since the company I work for ships with UPS every day and at least with $200 per day. UPS as well as FedEx have shipping systems that are installed within the shipping area of the company, we have one from UPS and it generates the shipping label and receipt and you slap it on the box and off it goes when the UPS driver comes at the end of the business day. It takes what a whole what 2 minutes to type it up in a UPS system, and even less time than that for previous customers since it automatically saves the information in a database so you do not have to retype it everytime, and generally this is what shippers are paid to do anyways. I understand where John is coming from. Being a small business will endure more of a cost if they need to have an employee leave the premisis to ship an item. We are a relatively(I use this term very loosely)small company (employee wise)and get a nice discount from UPS. We charge the actual shipping charges. It wasn't the $8 shipping charge that pissed me off, it was the BS $5 insurance fee. UPS has no charge for insurance on the first $99 of the declared value and the damn paint only cost $20 so ??? I feel I need a chastity belt when I order something from them b/c I don't like getting raped. This is why I order everything from Ground Up, I get free shipping from them and since they are in NYC, I get my parts the next day, that's awesome customer service, personally speaking. I guess that the amount of money I spend with them comes into effect as well. Oh yeah, I remember OPG backordering stuff on me before and not letting me know about it, there's another strike against them. I simply wanted to to know where and how they get off doing this. Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Chevelle Manuals
Kyle I ordered one for my 66 and it included it. Wayne 66 Malibu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kyle Bennett Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:40 PM To: Chevelle List Subject: [Chevelle-List] Chevelle Manuals If i order an assembly manual for my 71 Chevelle, does it include the wiring manual? Or do you have to buy it separately. Just wanted to check before i placed an order. Kyle Bennett Raleigh - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 67 SS Chevelle restoration
Jason, Danny, etal My 1967 site, http://www.team67.com, is up and running for the moment - just checked it. I think it'll be down next week as my host is changing vendors and HIS IP will change. I'll have to wait until that is completed before I can submit my new IP addr to my domain name holder. The same thing will happen to http://www.midwestchevelles.com since they are both hosted by the same person. However, http://www.dalesplace.com should NOT be affected. Danny - welcome to the Chevelle List and I know you'll find tons of information and lots of people willing to help and pass on experiences. I'm away for the weekend and using my email via the net instead of my home system, so I have to apologize for the site links not being active in this post. Dale McIntosh -- Original Message -- From: jason pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:05:39 -0800 whoops. i just tried to follow my own advice no site listing.dale? On Saturday, November 16, 2002, at 10:57 AM, jason pollock wrote: you should try dales site he knows 67 to find dales site go to one of his posts and click on the link jason pollock - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 65 EC from Hollywood Knights
Thanks for the reply Leo. I would appreciate any photos of the El Camino from Hollywood Knights. Thank You Dan Leo Baker wrote: How good a photo do you need, I have the tape/dvd and could scan the frame an send it to you. Greetings, Does anyone know where I can locate photos of the 65 El Camino from Hollywood Knights? Any help appreciated! Dan Raburn - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Leo Baker Network Janitor University of San Diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tis better to have raced and lost than never to have raced. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Surprise from Year One
well Rich, that is bad luck :) Kind Regards André - Original Message - From: Richard Milkiewicz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Surprise from Year One Congratulations Herb, I never win anything. If they have a raffle and only sell 10 tickets, and I buy 9 of them I'll still loose. Rich"66 MalibuACES # 5066 - Original Message - From: Herbert Lumpp To: Chevelle List Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:31 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Surprise from Year One As I walked in the front door after work today, there was a box from Year One sitting there. Naturally the first thing my wife says is "Now what did you order?" "Nothing honey, I swear, what is it?" I reply. Apparently, while at the Bristol Bash I won second place in the Muscle on the Mountain drag race! That's a shock considering I was never able to makea full power run. Either way, Year One sent me a gift certificate for $100 and a cool glass trophy that lights up from underneath, and they didn't even charge me for shipping! cYa- Herb Lumpp1966 El CaminoACES 3509, MCC 528http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/
Re: [Chevelle-List] Surprise from Year One
Herb, Congratulations ! And dont forget that my offer still stands. Kind Regards André - Original Message - From: Herbert Lumpp To: Chevelle List Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:31 AM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Surprise from Year One As I walked in the front door after work today, there was a box from Year One sitting there. Naturally the first thing my wife says is "Now what did you order?" "Nothing honey, I swear, what is it?" I reply. Apparently, while at the Bristol Bash I won second place in the Muscle on the Mountain drag race! That's a shock considering I was never able to makea full power run. Either way, Year One sent me a gift certificate for $100 and a cool glass trophy that lights up from underneath, and they didn't even charge me for shipping! cYa- Herb Lumpp1966 El CaminoACES 3509, MCC 528http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
What is the consensus about Goodmark sheetmetal? Is it US-made and if so,is it any good? Clint Hooper LT5 Registry Director Wichita Falls,Tx (940) 855-6636 '91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody TX TAGS: USA ZR1 http://www.LT5Registry.net/ - Original Message - From: Mach4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Nasta and others- I was told at a swap meet by a nationally known vendor that there are two primary manufacturers of repro sheet metal - hoods, fenders, quarters, floors, etc. One is pretty chinsy - poor fit, poor lines, etc - and the other was much better. Of course, all they carry is the better stuff... Do you have any comments or knowledge about this claim? Where does this stuff come from? JimACES #20202 - '66 SS's - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
welcome back Clint ! Kind Regards André - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal What is the consensus about Goodmark sheetmetal? Is it US-made and if so,is it any good? Clint Hooper LT5 Registry Director Wichita Falls,Tx (940) 855-6636 '91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody TX TAGS: USA ZR1 http://www.LT5Registry.net/ - Original Message - From: Mach4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Nasta and others- I was told at a swap meet by a nationally known vendor that there are two primary manufacturers of repro sheet metal - hoods, fenders, quarters, floors, etc. One is pretty chinsy - poor fit, poor lines, etc - and the other was much better. Of course, all they carry is the better stuff... Do you have any comments or knowledge about this claim? Where does this stuff come from? JimACES #20202 - '66 SS's - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
I can say this from experience. I put a repro 1/4 skin on my 70 and 2 repro 1/4 skins on my 69. The ones on the 69 were a horrible fit. The corners where it meets the tail light housing on the 69 were rounded and not nice sharp 90 degree corners so that made it very difficult to get thetail light housings lined up properly. The one on the 70 was not much better either. THe only thing that actually fit nice was a repro door skin I had put on the 70 when some moron dented it installing the headliner (don't ask). Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
I've never used it, but Super Chevy did a series of articles where they restored a 69 Chevelle, and they used all Goodmark sheetmetal. But then again, Goodmark was a sponsor, so... Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal What is the consensus about Goodmark sheetmetal? Is it US-made and if so,is it any good? Clint Hooper LT5 Registry Director Wichita Falls,Tx (940) 855-6636 '91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody TX TAGS: USA ZR1 http://www.LT5Registry.net/ - Original Message - From: Mach4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Nasta and others- I was told at a swap meet by a nationally known vendor that there are two primary manufacturers of repro sheet metal - hoods, fenders, quarters, floors, etc. One is pretty chinsy - poor fit, poor lines, etc - and the other was much better. Of course, all they carry is the better stuff... Do you have any comments or knowledge about this claim? Where does this stuff come from? JimACES #20202 - '66 SS's - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
Thanks,Andre. Looking forward to swapping lies/tales with everyone.g Clint Hooper LT5 Registry Director Wichita Falls,Tx (940) 855-6636 '91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody TX TAGS: USA ZR1 http://www.LT5Registry.net/ - Original Message - From: Tigergutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] welcome back Clint ! Kind Regards André - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
TOM: HOW DID THE DENT GET IN THE DOOR ON THE 70 ? LARRY (Z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] 65 EC from Hollywood Knights
Dan, Send me your email address and I will send you a pic of a 65 elky. Bob Myers, NC
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
That's why I asked about Goodmark,Dan. I don't really trust the magazines all that much. Direct experience is what I was interested in hearing about. Has anyone on this list used their sheetmetal products? Clint Hooper LT5 Registry Director Wichita Falls,Tx (940) 855-6636 '91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody TX TAGS: USA ZR1 http://www.LT5Registry.net/ - Original Message - From: Dan McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've never used it, but Super Chevy did a series of articles where they restored a 69 Chevelle, and they used all Goodmark sheetmetal. But then again, Goodmark was a sponsor, so... Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
Repro? What manufacturer/dealer sold the sheetmetal you used,Tom? Clint HooperLT5 Registry DirectorWichita Falls,Tx(940) 855-6636'91 ZR-1 Callaway AerobodyTX TAGS: USA ZR1http://www.LT5Registry.net/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can say this from experience. I put a repro 1/4 skin on my 70 and 2 repro 1/4 skins on my 69. The ones on the 69 were a horrible fit. The corners where it meets the tail light housing on the 69 were rounded and not nice sharp 90 degree corners so that made it very difficult to get thetail light housings lined up properly. The one on the 70 was not much better either.THe only thing that actually fit nice was a repro door skin I had put on the 70 when some moron dented it installing the headliner (don't ask). Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
from what I understand, other than Goodmark, there is only one other manufacturer of sheetmeal and it's in Taiwan. I'm not sure of the name though. I'll post it if I find out. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
hahahaha Kind Regards André - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal TOM: HOW DID THE DENT GET IN THE DOOR ON THE 70 ? LARRY (Z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
Hi! I bought a repro inner fender for a 67 from Goodmark. It fit very well, though I had to bend a 1/4 section to clear the rad support. Dave. -- www.swingvictoria.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
In a message dated 11/17/2002 4:43:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I bought a repro inner fender for a 67 from Goodmark. It fit very well, though I had to bend a 1/4" section to clear the rad support that reminds me I put new steel repro inner fenders in both my 70 and most recently the 69. The right (passenger) ones fit like a glove. The left (driver) ones I had to wrestle to get into place. I came to find out later, from others I know, that is just the way they are, even with GM ones. Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] 65 EC from Hollywood Knights
Thanks Bob, I'm looking for photos of the 65 EC that was used in the movie Hollywood Knights. Regards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Send me your email address and I will send you a pic of a 65 elky. Bob Myers, NC
[Chevelle-List] Casting Numbers
Does anyone know of a site that has casting numbers for intake manifolds..???.I looked on Mortec and they have Heads and BlocksAnyone know,... ThanxJohn - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Casting Numbers
John, While probably not a complete listing... http://car.race-cars.net/intakes.html has quite a few. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS - Original Message - From: malibuSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Casting Numbers Does anyone know of a site that has casting numbers for intake manifolds..???.I looked on Mortec and they have Heads and BlocksAnyone know,... ThanxJohn - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
The full 70-72 quarters could not have been better. THe 72 fender was fair but have since been "retooloed" from what I understand. Doorskin was fine although softer that the original steel as was the fender. Josh Gin (NoNeck) Visit my Chevelle website www.NoNecksChevelle.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal I can say this from experience. I put a repro 1/4 skin on my 70 and 2 repro 1/4 skins on my 69. The ones on the 69 were a horrible fit. The corners where it meets the tail light housing on the 69 were rounded and not nice sharp 90 degree corners so that made it very difficult to get thetail light housings lined up properly. The one on the 70 was not much better either.THe only thing that actually fit nice was a repro door skin I had put on the 70 when some moron dented it installing the headliner (don't ask). Tom
Re: [Chevelle-List] Casting Numbers
Thanx Dan.I'm looking for casting # 14007378. Its an aluminum intake off a friends small block . Was curious what it was originally for. Maybe I will want it for mine.! John - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Casting Numbers
From a website I hat on Chev. sb intake manifold casting # 14007378 . Believe application is for 1979 corvette w/ EGR. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS - Original Message - From: malibuSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Casting Numbers Thanx Dan.I'm looking for casting # 14007378. Its an aluminum intake off a friends small block . Was curious what it was originally for. Maybe I will want it for mine.! John - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 67 SS Chevelle restoration
Danny, Welcome to the list. It is a great resource. In addition to Dale's websites (which are some of the best), you can find useful info and tech articles at: http://www.chevelles.net/ http://superchevy-web.com/ http://www.chevelles.com/ http://www.chevelles.com/aces/ http://www.employees.org/~redneck/carstuff/ http://www.mail-archive.com/chevelle-list@chevelles.net/ http://www.chevytalk.com/ I have a 67SS also. I recently changed my rear suspension trailing arm, braces,springs and shocks. I went with Edelbrock boxed trailing arms with polyurethane bushings, Edelbrock braces, Edelbrock IAS Performer shocks and Hotchkis 1" lowering springs (after waiting 4 months for Edelbrock to ship my original spring order - it never happened). The ride is good. I haven't had the opportunity to check out the traction, yet. I have the complementary shocks and springs for the front. I'll put them in over the winter. I put standard rubber bushings in the front last year and I'm happy with them. The bushings, springs and shocks werre pretty much shot when I bought the car, so any change was going to be an improvement. There may be better choices and combinations for your needs, but I'm satisfied with my choices. Good luck with your restoration. Mike - Original Message - From: Danny Wilsher To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] 67 SS Chevelle restoration Hello, I am newto this list but have been working on cars for 35 years. Just never did a complete restoration.I would love to pick some brains on good sites to find info on the restoration of my 67SS. I have had this car since 1970 and finally have convinced myself that a frame off restoration is in order. I have it completely stripped and the frame is blasted and primered. I am ready to start back with the suspension and would like some advice on what would be the best way to go with both front and rear. It will be driven on weekends to events and an occasional drag race at the Baytown strip. I want the ride to begood with traction beingsecond importance.I would like to know who makes the best components for this application. I want to replace everything including trailing arms and also upgrade to disc brakes. Thanks for any and all suggestions, they will be very much appreciated!!! Ðäññÿ ..
Re: [Chevelle-List] Casting Numbers
Is that good...or not..??? What do ya think..??? John - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Casting Numbers
John, I typed your casting number into a search engine. I got 4 matches, 3 had something to do with Vette's. The fourth was an Acrobat file that I did not want to open. One website was for a book called Corvette by the numbers. Maybe if a list member has this book, they can look it up for you. Take it easy. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS - Original Message - From: malibuSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Casting Numbers Is that good...or not..??? What do ya think..??? John - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Surprise from Year One
Herb, I guess we won't be hearing any complaints about shipping from Y1 from you for a lnnnggg time! C -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Herbert LumppSent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:32 PMTo: Chevelle ListSubject: [Chevelle-List] Surprise from Year One As I walked in the front door after work today, there was a box from Year One sitting there. Naturally the first thing my wife says is "Now what did you order?" "Nothing honey, I swear, what is it?" I reply. Apparently, while at the Bristol Bash I won second place in the Muscle on the Mountain drag race! That's a shock considering I was never able to makea full power run. Either way, Year One sent me a gift certificate for $100 and a cool glass trophy that lights up from underneath, and they didn't even charge me for shipping! cYa- Herb Lumpp1966 El CaminoACES 3509, MCC 528http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/
RE: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks
John, I guess I'm out of the loop on this, but I don't know your website address or have a catalog. Would you please EM me offline with some info? Thanks. [EMAIL PROTECTED] C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks There's the whole problem. People don't want to pay $8 UPS to send a package of clips. Instead they want the seller to drive (or walk in my case) to the post office, stand in line for a half hour, and then charge you less. In my case, I lose about one and a half hours every time I have to go to the post office. I realize that nobody wants to pay for that time. If I send an employee, I lose that much time and I'm paying for it. If I go myself, it only costs me the time, but time is also money. Then if you don't have the time, and things go out a bit late because you haven't had time to get to the post office, customers get mad because the turnaround time is not fast enough for their taste. Yet they don't want to pay for the faster, easier method. I do it because I know what the customers want, and the fact is that it just makes it that much harder for me to run my business, and to compete against the bigger players who will not stand in line for you at the post office to save you money at their own expense. I can easily see why companies will send a small pack of clips that could have been mailed for $2 via UPS for $8. Also, what makes you think that distributors get packing materials any cheaper than anybody else? Most people who sell on ebay use some old shoebox whereas somebody who is shipping all the time has to buy boxes. You might be surprised how much boxes cost. Also, most ebay sellers pack their own boxes whereas distributors have to pay somebody to pack boxes. I try to save money by re-using boxes and cutting big boxes down into smaller ones, but once again the latter is time that nobody wants to pay for. I totally feel for you guys and I've said many times before that this is one of the reasons I went into the business. I was a customer in this business for many years before I became a vendor, so I know what the customers want, and try my best to make it that way and still compete against the people who don't care how much you pay for shipping, as long as it saves them time and money. John Nasta -Original Message- snip for a distributor, usually the courier comes to them, and packaging costs should be minimal. I bought windshield molding clips for my (ex)65 Malibu, which they could have mailed in an envelope, but UPS'd them to the tune of $8. But as long as we pay it and keep coming back for more, they have no reason to change their ways. - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Airco air conditioing discounts?
I received an e-mail in my club web page e-mail account from a company called Airco in Pamona Calif. I know nothing about them whatsoever. They are offering club discounts to our club members that can at times be below wholesale. Does anyone have any experience dealing with them? What's the quality like? I was thinking about going with an aftermarket kit myself, but if they have the right prices and I can get the same things for less ... Anyone deal with them? Steve - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Are We Tired Of Bashing OPG Yet? Let Talk About Something Else!
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RE: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal...was Why OPG Sucks
There are two companies, both right here in the US, contracting to have the large sheet metal parts made. Both companies are having their stuff made in Taiwan. Even the Authorized GM large sheet metal parts are made in Taiwan. There is a third company (also right here in the US) that makes pretty much all of the patch panels (lower fender patches, lower door patches, lower quarter patches, etc.). Those are actually made in the USA. Trim Parts says that their stuff is made in America, but I've been told that it is actually made in North America, a.k.a. Mexico. I can't prove or disprove that. There is a company that makes fuel tanks in Taiwan and another in Canada. I put a full quarter skin, a lower quarter patch panel, and a new hood on my El Camino and the body man said it all fit perfectly. None of it was from Goodmark. You can see the pictures at http://johnnasta.com/elcamino John Nasta -Original Message- John Nasta and others- I was told at a swap meet by a nationally known vendor that there are two primary manufacturers of repro sheet metal - hoods, fenders, quarters, floors, etc. One is pretty chinsy - poor fit, poor lines, etc - and the other was much better. Of course, all they carry is the better stuff... Do you have any comments or knowledge about this claim? Where does this stuff come from? JimACES #20202 - '66 SS's - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Are We Tired Of Bashing OPG Yet? Let Talk About Something Else!
do you have anything non-negative to say? Chad - Original Message - From: rocky hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chevelle list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:39 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Are We Tired Of Bashing OPG Yet? Let Talk About Something Else! __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] Trim Parts - Made in America
John, While I haven't been on the tour YET, Trim Parts has a fairly large plant here in Ohio. I know they hold a yearly open house/cruise-in of classic cars. I have seen pictures of the event and almost went last year. I am hoping to go this year and I have been by the plant and verified with my own eyes it does exist :) Hopefully we will get our new Chevelle Club to participate in their open house next year as it's in our club area for recruitment. I won't swear that every last part is made there but at this time that's my impression after seeing their web site and catalog. I had an aunt that worked at a similar place that makes plastic parts for new cars. There doesn't seem to be a shortage of parts manufacturers, retailers, and support businesses in this area, home of Delco and Charles Kettering, inventor of the starter. Not to mention Moraine assembly plant and some more GM plants, maybe Fisher Body? Chrysler, and I think even Fo** in the area. Steve in Car Lovin Ohio -- Trim Parts says that their stuff is made in America, but I've been told that it is actually made in North America, a.k.a. Mexico. I can't prove or disprove that. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal...was Why OPG Sucks
OK... I'm really confused... I think in the end everyone wants to know that what brand or what place they can order reproduction metal from and get a good fit and decent quality. Can anyone clear things up a bit for the slow ones like me here? I feel like I'm in an econonomics class with companies A, B, and X :P Mikey - Original Message - From: John Nasta Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal...was Why OPG Sucks There are two companies, both right here in the US, contracting to have thelarge sheet metal parts made. Both companies are having their stuff made inTaiwan. Even the Authorized GM large sheet metal parts are made in Taiwan.There is a third company (also right here in the US) that makes pretty muchall of the patch panels (lower fender patches, lower door patches, lowerquarter patches, etc.). Those are actually made in the USA.Trim Parts says that their stuff is made in "America", but I've been toldthat it is actually made in North America, a.k.a. Mexico. I can't prove ordisprove that.There is a company that makes fuel tanks in Taiwan and another in Canada.I put a full quarter skin, a lower quarter patch panel, and a new hood on myEl Camino and the body man said it all fit perfectly. None of it was fromGoodmark. You can see the pictures at http://johnnasta.com/elcaminoJohn Nasta-Original Message-John Nasta and others-I was told at a swap meet by a nationally known vendor that there are twoprimary manufacturers of repro sheet metal - hoods, fenders, quarters,floors, etc. One is pretty chinsy - poor fit, poor lines, etc - and theother was much better. Of course, all they carry is the better stuff...Do you have any comments or knowledge about this claim? Where does thisstuff come from?Jim ACES #2020 2 - '66 SS's-To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.htmlTo start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
How far along is your El Camino,John? It's sure looking good. When I find the right car,I'll definitely do some business with you. Clint Hooper LT5 Registry Director Wichita Falls,Tx (940) 855-6636 '91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody TX TAGS: USA ZR1 http://www.LT5Registry.net/ - Original Message - From: John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are two companies, both right here in the US, contracting to have the large sheet metal parts made. Both companies are having their stuff made in Taiwan. Even the Authorized GM large sheet metal parts are made in Taiwan. There is a third company (also right here in the US) that makes pretty much all of the patch panels (lower fender patches, lower door patches, lower quarter patches, etc.). Those are actually made in the USA. Trim Parts says that their stuff is made in America, but I've been told that it is actually made in North America, a.k.a. Mexico. I can't prove or disprove that. There is a company that makes fuel tanks in Taiwan and another in Canada. I put a full quarter skin, a lower quarter patch panel, and a new hood on my El Camino and the body man said it all fit perfectly. None of it was from Goodmark. You can see the pictures at http://johnnasta.com/elcamino John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
Well it's a sure thing that nothing beats NOS stuff, but it's hard to find usually and very expensive. Most of us, at least I cannot, afford to pay the price for it when it is available. I have heard the best feedback about the stuff the Goodmark sells. I personally have had panels fit, and ones that didn't. My worst experiences have been with replacement 1/4 skins. If I could go back, I would get the full repro 1/4 instead of the skins. Tom
RE: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal...
p.s. I also just sold a 70-72 non-functional SS hood from Goodmark and the customer said it did not fit right. The customer was a body shop and the guy told me he had been in the business 12 years and the hood was not made right. He ended up taking the skin off the frame and cutting it down some in the back where it was too wide, and ten welding the skin back onto the frame. He said that in the long run it turned out dine, but only because he really knows what he is doing. The resolution was that Goodmark gave me the name and number of their research and development guy to pass on to the customer. They spoke about exactly what was going on with the fit, and Goodmark offered to either send another hood or replace it with other parts. The customer figured he could fix the hood and that another one might have the same exact problem, so he opted for other parts. I have to say that Goodmark followed through nicely even though their was a problem. The customer has since ordered more stuff from me and told me that he is very satisfied with what Goodmark sent him to make up for the hood. So far this is the only problem I have had with sheet metal. Well, I'm outta here for the night. I promised myself that I would not sit up late again tonight writing emails. I have too much to get done tomorrow and I'd like to be bright eyed and bushy tailed as they say. Sunday is the only day that I ever even consider taking off, and this was a nice relaxing day watching the Giants with a couple of old buddies. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Chevelle-List] 67 speedometer
Hey Guys I need help my friend came over tonight with his 2yr old. I had been working on the chevelle all day and I still had my speedometer cluster sitting on the table Idon't know how he must be really fast because he manage to break my speedo needle and fuel gauge needles. This stuff has taken me awhile to put together and now I'm at square one. If anyone knows where I can get it fixed or I can buy replacement parts. I'm going to go have another drink now. Thanks Jeff
RE: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
Thanks Clint, My El Camino just got all of the glass put back in and it's second (and last) coat of primer. Hopefully it will be painted this week (finally!) and then all of the weatherstrips, moldings, emblems, bumpers, etc. have to be put back. Then I will bring it home but I will still need to do the carpet padding, headliner, seat, swap out that doofy steering wheel, install the forward lighting engine harnesses (from MH), complete exhaust, brakes all around (for good measure), rear shocks springs (front steering suspension is done) and tires. All together, I'd say it will be in the body shop for at least two more weeks and then I will need at least a couple/few weeks to do the additional work. Hopefully we'll get some good weather and be able to drive it some before the winter starts to precipitate, but with my luck I'll get it done just in time to put it away until spring. John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Clint Hooper Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal How far along is your El Camino,John? It's sure looking good. When I find the right car,I'll definitely do some business with you. Clint Hooper LT5 Registry Director Wichita Falls,Tx (940) 855-6636 '91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody TX TAGS: USA ZR1 http://www.LT5Registry.net/ - Original Message - From: John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are two companies, both right here in the US, contracting to have the large sheet metal parts made. Both companies are having their stuff made in Taiwan. Even the Authorized GM large sheet metal parts are made in Taiwan. There is a third company (also right here in the US) that makes pretty much all of the patch panels (lower fender patches, lower door patches, lower quarter patches, etc.). Those are actually made in the USA. Trim Parts says that their stuff is made in America, but I've been told that it is actually made in North America, a.k.a. Mexico. I can't prove or disprove that. There is a company that makes fuel tanks in Taiwan and another in Canada. I put a full quarter skin, a lower quarter patch panel, and a new hood on my El Camino and the body man said it all fit perfectly. None of it was from Goodmark. You can see the pictures at http://johnnasta.com/elcamino John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
in year ones catolog they grade there replacement sheet metal parts 1 thru 5.for the most part it seems that the complete sections get a higher rating and the smaller patch panels are not of the same quality. has any one replaced a below the back window panel on an el camino...results jason pollock Well it's a sure thing that nothing beats NOS stuff, but it's hard to find usually and very expensive. Most of us, at least I cannot, afford to pay the price for it when it is available. I have heard the best feedback about the stuff the Goodmark sells. I personally have had panels fit, and ones that didn't. My worst experiences have been with replacement 1/4 skins. If I could go back, I would get the full repro 1/4 instead of the skins. Tom jason pollock
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal...was Why OPG Sucks
For what it's worth, there is a company up here in Solon, Ohio called Tabco, that makes many replacement panels for cars. They are all stamped in house, I have been there to work on their equipment. I can't speak for their quality though. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS - Original Message - From: John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal...was Why OPG Sucks There are two companies, both right here in the US, contracting to have the large sheet metal parts made. Both companies are having their stuff made in Taiwan. Even the Authorized GM large sheet metal parts are made in Taiwan. There is a third company (also right here in the US) that makes pretty much all of the patch panels (lower fender patches, lower door patches, lower quarter patches, etc.). Those are actually made in the USA. Trim Parts says that their stuff is made in America, but I've been told that it is actually made in North America, a.k.a. Mexico. I can't prove or disprove that. There is a company that makes fuel tanks in Taiwan and another in Canada. I put a full quarter skin, a lower quarter patch panel, and a new hood on my El Camino and the body man said it all fit perfectly. None of it was from Goodmark. You can see the pictures at http://johnnasta.com/elcamino John Nasta -Original Message- John Nasta and others- I was told at a swap meet by a nationally known vendor that there are two primary manufacturers of repro sheet metal - hoods, fenders, quarters, floors, etc. One is pretty chinsy - poor fit, poor lines, etc - and the other was much better. Of course, all they carry is the better stuff... Do you have any comments or knowledge about this claim? Where does this stuff come from? JimACES #20202 - '66 SS's - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Trim Parts - Made in America
Steve, Don't forget the big damn Honda plant in Marietta!! Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS - Original Message - From: Chevelle 69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:51 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] Trim Parts - Made in America John, While I haven't been on the tour YET, Trim Parts has a fairly large plant here in Ohio. I know they hold a yearly open house/cruise-in of classic cars. I have seen pictures of the event and almost went last year. I am hoping to go this year and I have been by the plant and verified with my own eyes it does exist :) Hopefully we will get our new Chevelle Club to participate in their open house next year as it's in our club area for recruitment. I won't swear that every last part is made there but at this time that's my impression after seeing their web site and catalog. I had an aunt that worked at a similar place that makes plastic parts for new cars. There doesn't seem to be a shortage of parts manufacturers, retailers, and support businesses in this area, home of Delco and Charles Kettering, inventor of the starter. Not to mention Moraine assembly plant and some more GM plants, maybe Fisher Body? Chrysler, and I think even Fo** in the area. Steve in Car Lovin Ohio -- Trim Parts says that their stuff is made in America, but I've been told that it is actually made in North America, a.k.a. Mexico. I can't prove or disprove that. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
Jason, the panel under the window is the only piece that my body man had to hassle a bit with on my 69 El Camino. It has to be cut to size and it does not come with the rivets that the molding clips attach to. He had to tap holes and thread little screws into it and tack-weld them from the back so that there would be some studs to attach the molding clips to. He said that was very tedious. Now I'm really out of here (I swear). John Nasta -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of jason pollock Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal in year ones catolog they grade there replacement sheet metal parts 1 thru 5.for the most part it seems that the complete sections get a higher rating and the smaller patch panels are not of the same quality. has any one replaced a below the back window panel on an el camino...results jason pollock Well it's a sure thing that nothing beats NOS stuff, but it's hard to find usually and very expensive. Most of us, at least I cannot, afford to pay the price for it when it is available. I have heard the best feedback about the stuff the Goodmark sells. I personally have had panels fit, and ones that didn't. My worst experiences have been with replacement 1/4 skins. If I could go back, I would get the full repro 1/4 instead of the skins. Tom jason pollock
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
What color have you decided to go back with? Clint Hooper LT5 Registry Director Wichita Falls,Tx (940) 855-6636 '91 ZR-1 Callaway Aerobody TX TAGS: USA ZR1 http://www.LT5Registry.net/ - Original Message - From: John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Clint, My El Camino just got all of the glass put back in and it's second (and last) coat of primer. Hopefully it will be painted this week (finally!) and then all of the weatherstrips, moldings, emblems, bumpers, etc. have to be put back. Then I will bring it home but I will still need to do the carpet padding, headliner, seat, swap out that doofy steering wheel, install the forward lighting engine harnesses (from MH), complete exhaust, brakes all around (for good measure), rear shocks springs (front steering suspension is done) and tires. All together, I'd say it will be in the body shop for at least two more weeks and then I will need at least a couple/few weeks to do the additional work. Hopefully we'll get some good weather and be able to drive it some before the winter starts to precipitate, but with my luck I'll get it done just in time to put it away until spring. John Nasta - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
I had the back panel replaced in my 1967 El Camino. It was from Goodmark, and my body man was not happy with the fit. Tom B. - Original Message - From: jason pollock To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal in year ones catolog they grade there replacement sheet metal parts 1 thru 5.for the most partit seems that the complete sections get a higher rating and the smaller patch panels are not of the same quality.has any one replaced a below the back window panel on an el camino...resultsjason pollock Well it's a sure thing that nothing beats NOS stuff, but it's hard to find usually and very expensive. Most of us, at least I cannot, afford to pay the price for it when it is available. I have heard the best feedback about the stuff the Goodmark sells. I personally have had panels fit, and ones that didn't. My worst experiences have been with replacement 1/4 skins. If I could go back, I would get the full repro 1/4 instead of the skins.Tomjason pollock
Re: [Chevelle-List] 67 speedometer
Jeff, Don't know if it will work for you, but once this happened to me also and I super glued the brokenneedle pieces to each other and they worked for a long time. Till I sold the car years later. I just overlapped them about an eighth of an inch and stuck them together. Just a thought Ðäññÿ .. - Original Message - From: Jeff Bisnett To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: [Chevelle-List] 67 speedometer Hey Guys I need help my friend came over tonight with his 2yr old. I had been working on the chevelle all day and I still had my speedometer cluster sitting on the table Idon't know how he must be really fast because he manage to break my speedo needle and fuel gauge needles. This stuff has taken me awhile to put together and now I'm at square one. If anyone knows where I can get it fixed or I can buy replacement parts. I'm going to go have another drink now. Thanks Jeff
RE: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks
Customer service. I have worked for years for a very small service company that does most of its business mail-order. If something went wrong with a job, we called or e-mailed the customer. If they asked for something we did not provide, we called or e-mailed them. If something was backordered, we called or e-mailed them. We never advertised anywhere and did not need to. Customer service kept us in business. Brenna 67 Malibu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Nasta Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 11:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks Geez Tom, I almost forgot that this thread started with you. You are absolutely right that there is no reason to charge insurance on a shipment under $100. No question about it. About the backorders, sometimes it's not the vendor's fault. I just ordered a set of console mounting brackets for a customer and was told by the supplier that they were in stock. Then I got my order and the brackets weren't there but I was charged for them. The item was circled and hand and the words not available at this time were hand-written on the invoice. It ended up taking about 3 weeks to get the brackets. The supplier told me that it was because of a I.D. (inventory discrepancy) problem. They showed on their computer that the brackets were in, but when they physically checked, they weren't really there. Anyway, not making excuses, but sometimes things happen that are not the vendor's fault. You are a good customer to Ground Up and they show their appreciation by giving you a break. That's the way it should be. I give breaks to good customers as well. This is a highly competitive business (especially for the smaller players), and let's face it, most of the vendors are selling pretty much the same stuff (of course there are exceptions). In most cases, the only way to differentiate one company from the next is price and service. Usually the smaller shops will bend more for a good customer, because let's face it, the bigger shops have no idea who you are, and you are talking with somebody whose job is to answer phones. John Nasta -Original Message- If I may offer my insight on shipping here since the company I work for ships with UPS every day and at least with $200 per day. UPS as well as FedEx have shipping systems that are installed within the shipping area of the company, we have one from UPS and it generates the shipping label and receipt and you slap it on the box and off it goes when the UPS driver comes at the end of the business day. It takes what a whole what 2 minutes to type it up in a UPS system, and even less time than that for previous customers since it automatically saves the information in a database so you do not have to retype it everytime, and generally this is what shippers are paid to do anyways. I understand where John is coming from. Being a small business will endure more of a cost if they need to have an employee leave the premisis to ship an item. We are a relatively(I use this term very loosely)small company (employee wise)and get a nice discount from UPS. We charge the actual shipping charges. It wasn't the $8 shipping charge that pissed me off, it was the BS $5 insurance fee. UPS has no charge for insurance on the first $99 of the declared value and the damn paint only cost $20 so ??? I feel I need a chastity belt when I order something from them b/c I don't like getting raped. This is why I order everything from Ground Up, I get free shipping from them and since they are in NYC, I get my parts the next day, that's awesome customer service, personally speaking. I guess that the amount of money I spend with them comes into effect as well. Oh yeah, I remember OPG backordering stuff on me before and not letting me know about it, there's another strike against them. I simply wanted to to know where and how they get off doing this. Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks
Hey, what do you mean by the 'gen-x ethic'? : ) Brenna 67 Malibu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Craig A. Ellis Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 8:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks Gents, I think what we are seeing is what my partner calls the gen-x ethic. It's all about what you can sneak by somebody. Restoration parts companies feel competition forces them to do it. They advertise bargain basement prices and make up profit margin on SH. We bought a computer from Gateway a few weeks ago. They sent the wrong one and are forcing us to pay shipping to send it back. That's $150 round trip to get rid of their mistake. They can get away with it because they've already charged your credit card and they know the card companies will not back you up - they do too much business with them to risk it. That's what my partner calls the gen-x ethic. It's all about what you can get away with. When I asked Gateway why they don't disclose this shipping thing they said because we don't have to. Now that's bold, people. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks Ok, I need to vent here a little. I ordered 2 cans of paint from OPG last week, paint cost like $12 per can, no biggie. I just got it today and I was looking over the packing list. Where the hell do they get off charging $4.75 for 2 cans of paint that cost $24? I know UPS and FedEx charges very well since I work with them everyday. There is no way that it costs almost $5 to insure something that is that cheap. The insurance charge for something that cheap is free since everything is insured at least up to $100. So let's see here, $4.75 insurance plus $8.95 for shipping is $13.70, i just shipped a 20 pound package to Canada with an insured value of $200 cheaper than that amount. UNBELIEVABLE Needless to say they will be getting a phone call tomorrow, what a freakin rip off. Ok I'm going back to watching my movie now. Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal...was Why OPG Sucks
sounds like algebra, lol. Chad - Original Message - From: Capt Crunch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal...was Why OPG Sucks OK... I'm really confused... I think in the end everyone wants to know that what brand or what place they can order reproduction metal from and get a good fit and decent quality. Can anyone clear things up a bit for the slow ones like me here? I feel like I'm in an econonomics class with companies A, B, and X :P Mikey - Original Message - From: John Nasta Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal...was Why OPG Sucks There are two companies, both right here in the US, contracting to have thelarge sheet metal parts made. Both companies are having their stuff made inTaiwan. Even the Authorized GM large sheet metal parts are made in Taiwan.There is a third company (also right here in the US) that makes pretty muchall of the patch panels (lower fender patches, lower door patches, lowerquarter patches, etc.). Those are actually made in the USA.Trim Parts says that their stuff is made in "America", but I've been toldthat it is actually made in North America, a.k.a. Mexico. I can't prove ordisprove that.There is a company that makes fuel tanks in Taiwan and another in Canada.I put a full quarter skin, a lower quarter patch panel, and a new hood on myEl Camino and the body man said it all fit perfectly. None of it was fromGoodmark. You can see the pictures at http://johnnasta.com/elcaminoJohn Nasta-Original Message-John Nasta and others-I was told at a swap meet by a nationally known vendor that there are twoprimary manufacturers of repro sheet metal - hoods, fenders, quarters,floors, etc. One is pretty chinsy - poor fit, poor lines, etc - and theother was much better. Of course, all they carry is the better stuff...Do you have any comments or knowledge about this claim? Where does thisstuff come from?Jim ACES #2020 2 - '66 SS's-To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.htmlTo start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 67 SS Chevelle restoration
Dale, I am really enjoying this list already. I have learned a lot already. I have looked at all of the sites that the members have here and they are all very good. Sometimes I wonder what possessed me to do this project but then when I see pictures of what others have done I have renewed hope that mine will someday look like theirs. I want to thank everyone that has offered help. What a nice group to be associated with!!! Thanks again Ðäññÿ .. - Original Message - From: Dale McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] 67 SS Chevelle restoration : Jason, Danny, etal : : My 1967 site, http://www.team67.com, is up and running for the : moment - just checked it. I think it'll be down next week as my : host is changing vendors and HIS IP will change. I'll have to : wait until that is completed before I can submit my new IP addr to : my domain name holder. The same thing will happen to : http://www.midwestchevelles.com since they are both hosted by the : same person. However, http://www.dalesplace.com should NOT be : affected. : : Danny - welcome to the Chevelle List and I know you'll find tons : of information and lots of people willing to help and pass on : experiences. : : I'm away for the weekend and using my email via the net instead of : my home system, so I have to apologize for the site links not : being active in this post. : : Dale McIntosh : : : -- Original Message -- : From: jason pollock [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:05:39 -0800 : : whoops. i just tried to follow my own advice no site : listing.dale? : On Saturday, November 16, 2002, at 10:57 AM, jason pollock wrote: : : you should try dales site he knows 67 : to find dales site go to one of his posts and click on the link : jason pollock : : : : : : : : : : - : To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html : To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] 67 speedometer
jeff both parts are available in reproduction i am sure john nasta could help you with that or there are several gauge repair services listed at chevelle.net or in hemmings. also you could upgrade to the new full gauge package . its nothing terminal.but have another drink anyway jason pollock On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 07:24 PM, Jeff Bisnett wrote: Hey Guys I need help my friend came over tonight with his 2yr old. I had been working on the chevelle all day and I still had my speedometer cluster sitting on the table I don't know how he must be really fast because he manage to break my speedo needle and fuel gauge needles. This stuff has taken me awhile to put together and now I'm at square one. If anyone knows where I can get it fixed or I can buy replacement parts. I'm going to go have another drink now. Thanks Jeff jason pollock
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
tom would you happen to remember the manufacturer of the panel? thanks jasonpollock On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 07:45 PM, Tom Blawkamp wrote: I had the back panel replaced in my 1967 El Camino. It was from Goodmark, and my body man was not happy with the fit. Tom B. - Original Message - jason pollock To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal in year ones catolog they grade there replacement sheet metal parts 1 thru 5.for the most part it seems that the complete sections get a higher rating and the smaller patch panels are not of the same quality. has any one replaced a below the back window panel on an el camino...results jason pollock Well it's a sure thing that nothing beats NOS stuff, but it's hard to find usually and very expensive. Most of us, at least I cannot, afford to pay the price for it when it is available. I have heard the best feedback about the stuff the Goodmark sells. I personally have had panels fit, and ones that didn't. My worst experiences have been with replacement 1/4 skins. If I could go back, I would get the full repro 1/4 instead of the skins. Tom jason pollock
Re: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks
In a message dated 11/16/02 4:37:08 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can't say "I want a dog, but I think the food is expensive, so I'll get a dog and I won't feed him." The dog will die. LOL!!!
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
It was from Goodmark. - Original Message - From: jason pollock To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal tom would you happen to remember the manufacturer of the panel?thanksjasonpollockOn Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 07:45 PM, Tom Blawkamp wrote: I had the back panel replaced in my 1967 El Camino. It was from Goodmark, and my body man was not happy with the fit. Tom B.- Original Message -From: jason pollock To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:30 PMSubject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetalin year ones catolog they grade there replacement sheet metal parts 1 thru 5.for the most partit seems that the complete sections get a higher rating and the smaller patch panels are not of the same quality.has any one replaced a below the back window panel on an el camino...resultsjason pollockWell it's a sure thing that nothing beats NOS stuff, but it's hard to find usually and very expensive. Most of us, at least I cannot, afford to pay the price for it when it is available. I have heard the best feedback about the stuff the Goodmark sells. I personally have had panels fit, and ones that didn't. My worst experiences have been with replacement 1/4 skins. If I could go back, I would get the full repro 1/4 instead of the skins.Tomjason pollock
Re: [Chevelle-List] Why OPG Sucks
John; would the postman pick up the packages one day then charge you on the next day??? i have put things in my box, put the flag up, he/she pick it up, the next day there is an envelope with the cost on it, i put the money in and put it back in the box--- - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
thanks tom On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 08:36 PM, Tom Blawkamp wrote: It was from Goodmark. - Original Message - jason pollock To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal tom would you happen to remember the manufacturer of the panel? thanks jasonpollock On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 07:45 PM, Tom Blawkamp wrote: I had the back panel replaced in my 1967 El Camino. It was from Goodmark, and my body man was not happy with the fit. Tom B. - Original Message - From: jason pollock To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal in year ones catolog they grade there replacement sheet metal parts 1 thru 5.for the most part it seems that the complete sections get a higher rating and the smaller patch panels are not of the same quality. has any one replaced a below the back window panel on an el camino...results jason pollock Well it's a sure thing that nothing beats NOS stuff, but it's hard to find usually and very expensive. Most of us, at least I cannot, afford to pay the price for it when it is available. I have heard the best feedback about the stuff the Goodmark sells. I personally have had panels fit, and ones that didn't. My worst experiences have been with replacement 1/4 skins. If I could go back, I would get the full repro 1/4 instead of the skins. Tom jason pollock
Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal
I have been doing bodywork for almost 30 yrs. now and in my experience there are no perfect panels. Even new sheetmetal from the Big 3 has to have some rework done on it before it's perfect. The thing to remember is you get what you pay for. If your buying 1/4's buy the full quarter , they always fit better than skins but they will still need some massaging to fit. Patch Panels are the worst, Partial skins are better, Full skinsare even better Full Panels are even better FactoryNOS is nervona. Dwight 72Elky - Original Message - From: Tom Blawkamp To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal It was from Goodmark. - Original Message - From: jason pollock To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal tom would you happen to remember the manufacturer of the panel? thanks jasonpollock On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 07:45 PM, Tom Blawkamp wrote: I had the back panel replaced in my 1967 El Camino. It was from Goodmark, and my body man was not happy with the fit. Tom B. - Original Message - From: jason pollock To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Re: Repro Sheetmetal in year ones catolog they grade there replacement sheet metal parts 1 thru 5.for the most part it seems that the complete sections get a higher rating and the smaller patch panels are not of the same quality. has any one replaced a below the back window panel on an el camino...results jason pollock Well it's a sure thing that nothing beats NOS stuff, but it's hard to find usually and very expensive. Most of us, at least I cannot, afford to pay the price for it when it is available. I have heard the best feedback about the stuff the Goodmark sells. I personally have had panels fit, and ones that didn't. My worst experiences have been with replacement 1/4 skins. If I could go back, I would get the full repro 1/4 instead of the skins. Tom jason pollock
