Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread Geoffrey Barnett
the story that has been heard around the machine shops for years is that the 
cores for the 396 castings

had wore-out and the .03 over size got the yield back to acceptable levels.
the other story that I have heard over and over is there was a misprint on 
a blueprint for the new casting cores

with the same result .
 Geoff
Right Foot Engine Shop
- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only



I've tried to dig up some "official" original factory documentation on the
396/402 change, but came up empty.  I remember seeing/reading something
years ago, and the reason stated in the article discussing the 402 (396ci
+.030") was to produce a more favorable bore/stroke ratio in the pursuit 
of

reduced emissions.

Back then, emission controls were in their infancy and the OE's were 
trying

lots of different methods to help them mitigate the expulsion of unburned
hydrocarbons into the atmosphere.  Playing with bore/stroke ratios was one
of them.  Some of you may also remember the 307 small-block, which was
contrived by combining the 327 stroke and a 283 bore.  It, too, was an
experiment in emissions reduction.

Getting back to the 402, it was first introduced in late-production '69
Chevelles, and the easiest way to ID them is the addition of a "C" prefix 
to

the engine code stamped on the front of the engine block.  For instance, a
"normal" 396/350hp/4spd Chevelle engine would have a "JC" engine code, 
while

the 402 version of the same engine would feature a "CJC" stamping on the
front of the block.  The addition of the "C" prefix carried over to the 
'70

and subsequent engine codes.  To the best of my knowledge, the 402
supplanted the 396 in all '70 and later Chevys.

As for retaining the '70 SS396 moniker (even though the engine actually
displaced 402ci), that was a marketing ploy pure and simple.  Since it's
inception in '66, the SS396 just kinda rolled off the tongue easy and 
became
synonymous with Chevy high performance.  Understandably, Chevy was 
reluctant
to give up the equity they had in such a catchy name and kept it as long 
as

they could.  In '71, however, the Super Sport with the 402ci big-block was
referred to as merely an SS, and the "396" emblems that hung below the SS
badges on the fenders were eliminated as well.

Please feel free to add or edit my recollections if your differ from 
mine...


Chuck



on 6/16/05 11:14 AM, Clint Hooper at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Gene is correct and brings up a very good point; why did GM increase the
displacement to 402ci?
Maybe Chuck Hanson or someone else in the know can shed a little light on
the subject.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From: "Gene's General Restoration Parts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Hi,
What I remember is up to 69 it was a 396 and after 70 the bore was
increased .030 which made it a 402 but was still badged and called a 
396.
Some cars like the Monte Carlo and I think full size it was refered to 
as

a

400 Big Block and they also had the 400 Small Block to make it more
confusing...
I don't know why they went .030 over, maybe they had a bunch of blocks

they

were able to rework with the over bore? Anyone know why they went .030

over?

Gene
www.genesgeneralrestorationparts.com














Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread Z16CHEVELLEGUY



Here are two direct quotes from Musclecarclub.com-Chevrolet 
Chevelle-History 
1969 - "Late in the 1969 
model year, the 396 was bored out to 402 cubic engines, reportedly to meet new 
emission standards."
1970 - "Responding to the lifting of GM's ban on engines larger than 400 cid in 
midsize cars, Chevrolet responded by dropping in a new 454 cubic engine into its 
Chevelle 
SS."
Larry 
(Z)


Re: [Chevelle-list] rear control arm question

2005-06-16 Thread Clint Hooper
To be honest,I'm not sure I can answer that question,Ryan. However,Moog
chassis parts are sold by most auto parts stores and their stuff has a very
good reputation for quality.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Langstraat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Clint,
> I was looking at PST's bushing sets and couldnt make up my mind.
> Do you think the rubber bushings that the local auto parts store carry are
> that much different from the ones from like year one?  I know the price is
> quite a bit lower but is the quality that much different?  Has anybody
dealt
> with them enough to know???
> Thanks again
> Ryan





Re: [Chevelle-list] rear control arm question

2005-06-16 Thread Ryan Langstraat

Clint,
I was looking at PST's bushing sets and couldnt make up my mind.
Do you think the rubber bushings that the local auto parts store carry are 
that much different from the ones from like year one?  I know the price is 
quite a bit lower but is the quality that much different?  Has anybody dealt 
with them enough to know???


Thanks again
Ryan 





Re: [Chevelle-list] rear control arm question

2005-06-16 Thread Clint Hooper
There are different formulations of poly bushings available. I rebuilt the
front end of my former 68 El Camino protourer with polygraphite bushings
from Performance Suspension Technology and they worked very well for over
six years w/o any squeaks.
If your car is stock,I would probably install the rubber bushings,though.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Langstraat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> I was just about ready to purchase a complete set of poly bushings until I
> read everybody saying not to put poly's in the rear.  Does the same hold
> true for the front supsension also?  Will it too make noise over time??
The
> rubber bushing sets are much cheaper so would I just be time and money
ahead
> to get the rubber bushing set instead?
> Thank you for you help
> Ryan





Re: [Chevelle-list] rear control arm question

2005-06-16 Thread Ryan Langstraat
I was just about ready to purchase a complete set of poly bushings until I 
read everybody saying not to put poly's in the rear.  Does the same hold 
true for the front supsension also?  Will it too make noise over time??  The 
rubber bushing sets are much cheaper so would I just be time and money ahead 
to get the rubber bushing set instead?


Thank you for you help


Ryan 





Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread Chuck Hanson
I've tried to dig up some "official" original factory documentation on the
396/402 change, but came up empty.  I remember seeing/reading something
years ago, and the reason stated in the article discussing the 402 (396ci
+.030") was to produce a more favorable bore/stroke ratio in the pursuit of
reduced emissions. 

Back then, emission controls were in their infancy and the OE's were trying
lots of different methods to help them mitigate the expulsion of unburned
hydrocarbons into the atmosphere.  Playing with bore/stroke ratios was one
of them.  Some of you may also remember the 307 small-block, which was
contrived by combining the 327 stroke and a 283 bore.  It, too, was an
experiment in emissions reduction.

Getting back to the 402, it was first introduced in late-production '69
Chevelles, and the easiest way to ID them is the addition of a "C" prefix to
the engine code stamped on the front of the engine block.  For instance, a
"normal" 396/350hp/4spd Chevelle engine would have a "JC" engine code, while
the 402 version of the same engine would feature a "CJC" stamping on the
front of the block.  The addition of the "C" prefix carried over to the '70
and subsequent engine codes.  To the best of my knowledge, the 402
supplanted the 396 in all '70 and later Chevys.

As for retaining the '70 SS396 moniker (even though the engine actually
displaced 402ci), that was a marketing ploy pure and simple.  Since it's
inception in '66, the SS396 just kinda rolled off the tongue easy and became
synonymous with Chevy high performance.  Understandably, Chevy was reluctant
to give up the equity they had in such a catchy name and kept it as long as
they could.  In '71, however, the Super Sport with the 402ci big-block was
referred to as merely an SS, and the "396" emblems that hung below the SS
badges on the fenders were eliminated as well.

Please feel free to add or edit my recollections if your differ from mine...

Chuck 



on 6/16/05 11:14 AM, Clint Hooper at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Gene is correct and brings up a very good point; why did GM increase the
> displacement to 402ci?
> Maybe Chuck Hanson or someone else in the know can shed a little light on
> the subject.
> Clint Hooper
> H&H Custom,owner
> 1969 El Camino ProTourer
> 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
> http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gene's General Restoration Parts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> What I remember is up to 69 it was a 396 and after 70 the bore was
>> increased .030 which made it a 402 but was still badged and called a 396.
>> Some cars like the Monte Carlo and I think full size it was refered to as
> a
>> 400 Big Block and they also had the 400 Small Block to make it more
>> confusing...
>> I don't know why they went .030 over, maybe they had a bunch of blocks
> they
>> were able to rework with the over bore? Anyone know why they went .030
> over?
>> Gene
>> www.genesgeneralrestorationparts.com
> 
> 
> 




Re: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread Chevelle List



Great...Thanx alot ...You have been very 
helpfulJohn


Re: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread Clint Hooper



Thanks,Dale. I didn't realize the 26 spline was 
first introduced in 1970.
FWIW,the 350 engine was introduced in the Camaro in 
1967. Even the Corvettes didn't get them until 1968.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El 
Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dale 
  
  
   
  
  350's weren't introduced until 
  1967 so it was either a 283 or 327 car when it was 
  built.
   
  And even then, not 
  in the Chevelle in 1967.  If you look at the case and tail shaft housing, 
  there should be some casting numbers if it?s a Muncie.  Assuming the internals hadn?t 
  been completely changed, those numbers should help identify the year-range of 
  the trans and the model (M20/M21/M22).  With that info you should be able 
  to determine the spline count for that particular year.  See http://www.chevellestuff.com/generic/muncie.htm 
  for a list.
   
  Basically (if it?s 
  a Muncie) 
  63-early 70 M20/M21s have a 10 spline, late 70-74 M20/M21s have 26.  
  Probably not a M22 so I won?t go there but info the link above will 
  help.
   
  Dale


RE: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread Dale








 



350's weren't introduced until 1967 so it was either a 283
or 327 car when it was built.

 

And even then, not in the Chevelle in
1967.  If you look at the case and tail shaft housing, there should be some
casting numbers if it’s a Muncie. 
Assuming the internals hadn’t been completely changed, those numbers
should help identify the year-range of the trans and the model (M20/M21/M22).  With
that info you should be able to determine the spline count for that particular
year.  See http://www.chevellestuff.com/generic/muncie.htm
for a list.

 

Basically (if it’s a Muncie) 63-early 70 M20/M21s
have a 10 spline, late 70-74 M20/M21s have 26.  Probably not a M22 so I won’t
go there but info the link above will help.

 

Dale










RE: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread Dale
I've heard 'stories' that due to a strike in late 1969, blocks sat around
and got rusty. There were some 402's in late 69 (noted by the 3-letter
suffix code).  When the strike was over the blocks had to bored .030 for
cleanup and since pistons had to be changed, GM kept it that way.  I don't
buy that for a minute.  Probably had more to do with meeting emission
standards than anything else.  FWIW, Buick managed to get over on the ban
since there engine was really the same 401 as the rest of the line but
advertised it as a 400 until the ban was lifted.

Dale McIntosh

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 11:15 AM
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Subject: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

Gene is correct and brings up a very good point; why did GM increase the
displacement to 402ci?
Maybe Chuck Hanson or someone else in the know can shed a little light on
the subject.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message - 
From: "Gene's General Restoration Parts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Hi,
>  What I remember is up to 69 it was a 396 and after 70 the bore was
> increased .030 which made it a 402 but was still badged and called a 396.
> Some cars like the Monte Carlo and I think full size it was refered to as
a
> 400 Big Block and they also had the 400 Small Block to make it more
> confusing...
>  I don't know why they went .030 over, maybe they had a bunch of blocks
they
> were able to rework with the over bore? Anyone know why they went .030
over?
> Gene
> www.genesgeneralrestorationparts.com









Re: [Chevelle-list] rear control arm question

2005-06-16 Thread vinny
rubber will work fine,the poly after a while make noises that you'll regret 
putting those hard poly's in.
- Original Message - 
From: "James Colgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] rear control arm question



Hi Clint , why rubber an not poly in the rear control arms? just curious.
Jimmy Colgan
- Original Message -
From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] rear control arm question



I would buy some aftermarket boxed arms with rubber bushings. No poly
bushings in the rear suspension.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From: "J. Brady" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Folks,
>
> My '66 is long overdue for new bushings on the
> rear control arms..  I was wondering if the best plan
> is to replace the bushings in the existing control
> arms, or just junk them and get new arms w/bushings
> already built in-  The car's a driver, not a priceless
> all-original cream puff.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jim
> '66 Malibu
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/jbiii/my66.htm
>
>
>
> __
> Discover Yahoo!
> Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out!
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>











Re: [Chevelle-list] Shaved Door Handle Kits

2005-06-16 Thread Krister Meister




My Dad dechromed and shaved the handles on one of his cars.  One day he had
the radio on all day while working outside - trunk lid open for better
sound, but windows rolled up to keep dirt out.  Battery drained to the
point the doors would not open.  Hood release is inside the car and rear
set unable to be removed from trunk.  He eventually was able reach the
positive side of the battery from the underside of the engine compartment
to connect some power to open the doors.

Krister




Hey everyone,

We are now an authorized dealer for Electric-Life.  They are a manufacturer
of power window kits, alarms, remote entry systems, remote starter systems,
and reverse hood opening systems.

In celebration of this new product line, we have put their shaved door
handle kits on sale.  Each kit comes with two high powered 60lb Solenoids
operated through a Power Driver 4-channel keyless entry control module. The
kit comes complete with relay pack, wire harness and mounting hardware.
These kits can be used on virtually any car or truck.

Our normally discounted price is $269.95.  But, for the next two weeks, we
have them for only $219.95!  A $50 savings!  You can order them on-line on
our website, or by phone.

More cool stuff coming soon!!

Sincerely,
Trevor
Auto Obsession
805-306-0795
http://www.AutoObsession.com







Re: [Chevelle-list] Shaved Door Handle Kits - good story

2005-06-16 Thread Krister Meister




My Dad shaved




Hey everyone,

We are now an authorized dealer for Electric-Life.  They are a manufacturer
of power window kits, alarms, remote entry systems, remote starter systems,
and reverse hood opening systems.

In celebration of this new product line, we have put their shaved door
handle kits on sale.  Each kit comes with two high powered 60lb Solenoids
operated through a Power Driver 4-channel keyless entry control module. The
kit comes complete with relay pack, wire harness and mounting hardware.
These kits can be used on virtually any car or truck.

Our normally discounted price is $269.95.  But, for the next two weeks, we
have them for only $219.95!  A $50 savings!  You can order them on-line on
our website, or by phone.

More cool stuff coming soon!!

Sincerely,
Trevor
Auto Obsession
805-306-0795
http://www.AutoObsession.com







Re: [Chevelle-list] Shaved Door Handle Kits

2005-06-16 Thread Clint Hooper
Trevor,can you give us a price quote for one of their power window kits for
an El Camino? Electric-Life makes good stuff.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Hey everyone,
We are now an authorized dealer for Electric-Life.  They are a manufacturer
of power window kits, alarms, remote entry systems, remote starter systems,
and reverse hood opening systems.
More cool stuff coming soon!!
Sincerely,
Trevor
Auto Obsession
805-306-0795
http://www.AutoObsession.com





[Chevelle-list] Shaved Door Handle Kits

2005-06-16 Thread AutoObsessn
Hey everyone,

We are now an authorized dealer for Electric-Life.  They are a manufacturer of 
power window kits, alarms, remote entry systems, remote starter systems, and 
reverse hood opening systems.

In celebration of this new product line, we have put their shaved door handle 
kits on sale.  Each kit comes with two high powered 60lb Solenoids operated 
through a Power Driver 4-channel keyless entry control module. The kit comes 
complete with relay pack, wire harness and mounting hardware.   These kits can 
be used on virtually any car or truck.

Our normally discounted price is $269.95.  But, for the next two weeks, we have 
them for only $219.95!  A $50 savings!  You can order them on-line on our 
website, or by phone.

More cool stuff coming soon!!

Sincerely,
Trevor
Auto Obsession
805-306-0795
http://www.AutoObsession.com




Re: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread John



Thats the problem...I am not sure what tranny is in 
there..I want to order the clutch kit  but don't want to take anything 
apart until I have the parts in my handIt is still drivable but does need a 
clutch in the near future..John


Re: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread Clint Hooper



Good question,Gene.  We haven't asked yet but 
is the trans a Muncie or BW T-10?
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Gene's General Restoration 
  Parts 
  
  Don't the early trannys have a stud/nut holding 
  on the shifter linkage and the newer ones have a bolt? I know the bolt style 
  would have a possibility of either but shouldn't all stud/nut trans have ten 
  splines? One way to tell.
   
  Gene
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Clint Hooper 


Probably could run the transmission ID numbers 
and find out what year trans you have.
Odds are it's a 10 spline.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino 
ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John 
  
  I'll have to check into that a little 
  further..You have a point thereAnywaysback to the spline 
  question...is there a way to  tell without pulling the 
  trans..??.John


Re: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread Gene's General Restoration Parts



Don't the early trannys have a stud/nut holding on 
the shifter linkage and the newer ones have a bolt? I know the bolt style would 
have a possibility of either but shouldn't all stud/nut trans have ten splines? 
One way to tell.
 
Gene

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Clint Hooper 
  
  To: The Chevelle Mailing List 
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 1:36 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 
  Clutches
  
  Probably could run the transmission ID numbers 
  and find out what year trans you have.
  Odds are it's a 10 spline.
  Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 
  H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
John 

I'll have to check into that a little 
further..You have a point thereAnywaysback to the spline 
question...is there a way to  tell without pulling the 
trans..??.John


Re: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread Clint Hooper



Probably could run the transmission ID numbers and 
find out what year trans you have.
Odds are it's a 10 spline.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John 
  
  I'll have to check into that a little 
  further..You have a point thereAnywaysback to the spline question...is 
  there a way to  tell without pulling the 
  trans..??.John


Re: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread John



I'll have to check into that a little further..You 
have a point thereAnywaysback to the spline question...is there a way 
to  tell without pulling the 
trans..??.John


Re: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread Clint Hooper



350's weren't introduced until 1967 so it was 
either a 283 or 327 car when it was built.
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John 
  
  NoIts not the original engine Clint.It 
  was originally a 350cid .. powerglide 
carJohn


Re: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread John



NoIts not the original engine Clint.It was 
originally a 350cid .. powerglide carJohn


Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread Bill Lessenberry



I had read somewhere that the 396's ('66 - '69) actually measure out to be
a 402, but were called 396 to just come under some criteria at that time.
Anyone else able to support this?

Krister


GM had a policy in the 60's that all mid size and smaller cars couldn't 
have engines over 400 CI.  The policy was changed in the 70's to allow the 
454's and 455's in Chevelles, 442s, GTOs, and Buick GSs.


BillL 





[Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread Clint Hooper
Gene is correct and brings up a very good point; why did GM increase the
displacement to 402ci?
Maybe Chuck Hanson or someone else in the know can shed a little light on
the subject.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message - 
From: "Gene's General Restoration Parts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> Hi,
>  What I remember is up to 69 it was a 396 and after 70 the bore was
> increased .030 which made it a 402 but was still badged and called a 396.
> Some cars like the Monte Carlo and I think full size it was refered to as
a
> 400 Big Block and they also had the 400 Small Block to make it more
> confusing...
>  I don't know why they went .030 over, maybe they had a bunch of blocks
they
> were able to rework with the over bore? Anyone know why they went .030
over?
> Gene
> www.genesgeneralrestorationparts.com





Re: [Chevelle-list] rear control arm question

2005-06-16 Thread Clint Hooper
Pete is correct. Poly will bind up the factory four link.
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I'm not Clint but let me throw my two cents in...
> The rear suspension geometry is not perfect apparently.
> It needs a little rubber to allow it to travel smoothly. 
> Global West offers better bushings and spherical joints too.
> see:
> http://www.globalwest.net/1964-72%20A-BODIES.htm#Lemans
> Go to bottom of page for rear control arms.
> (But the whole page is well worth reading.)
> Pete Geurds
> Douglassville, PA




Re: [Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread Clint Hooper



If I'm not mistaken,Muncies didn't have a 26spline 
input shaft until around 1972.
A 66 L79 Chevelle,huh. Is that the original 
engine?
Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 
H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Chevelle List 
  
  
  Hi again all
     I have to do the clutch in my 66...I 
  am wondering what the best kind to put in is and also if there is a way you 
  can tell how many splines there are on the trans. shaft without pulling it...I 
  am told there are two kinds a 26 spline and a 10 splineAny help in 
  knowledge would be app
  Its a 327/325hp 
engine...John


RE: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread Dave Studly
I think that it was other way around.. in 70 (71?) and later, what they were
calling 396s were actually 402s.  402 = .030"-over 396, I believe.

Before '70, GM had a restriction of no more than 400ci in a mid-size.

-Dave


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I had read somewhere that the 396's ('66 - '69) actually measure out to be
a 402, but were called 396 to just come under some criteria at that time.
Anyone else able to support this?

Krister



 

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Ed,you don't have a 396,,unless the motor isn't original,,all 70 -72's
were 402's,,fact.
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> 1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels.
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> few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like
> that, but the drivetrain is still intact.
>
>
> Ed Fleshman
> Columbia, SC
> EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
>
>

1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A
few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like that, but the drivetrain is still intact.


Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page







Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread Gene's General Restoration Parts

Hi,
What I remember is up to 69 it was a 396 and after 70 the bore was 
increased .030 which made it a 402 but was still badged and called a 396. 
Some cars like the Monte Carlo and I think full size it was refered to as a 
400 Big Block and they also had the 400 Small Block to make it more 
confusing...


I don't know why they went .030 over, maybe they had a bunch of blocks they 
were able to rework with the over bore? Anyone know why they went .030 over?




Gene
www.genesgeneralrestorationparts.com



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I had read somewhere that the 396's ('66 - '69) actually measure out to be
a 402, but were called 396 to just come under some criteria at that time.
Anyone else able to support this?

Krister




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   Ed,you don't have a 396,,unless the motor isn't original,,all 70 -72's
were 402's,,fact.


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1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels.

A

few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things

like

that, but the drivetrain is still intact.


Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page




1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A
few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like that, but the drivetrain is still intact.


Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page








Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread Krister Meister




I had read somewhere that the 396's ('66 - '69) actually measure out to be
a 402, but were called 396 to just come under some criteria at that time.
Anyone else able to support this?

Krister





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Ed,you don't have a 396,,unless the motor isn't original,,all 70 -72's
were 402's,,fact.
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu Jun 16, 12:16 AM
> To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
>
> 1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels.
A
> few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like
> that, but the drivetrain is still intact.
>
>
> Ed Fleshman
> Columbia, SC
> EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
>
>

1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A
few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things
like that, but the drivetrain is still intact.


Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page





Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread jim402
Ed,you don't have a 396,,unless the motor isn't original,,all 70 -72's were 
402's,,fact.
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net
> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only
> 
> 1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A 
> few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things like 
> that, but the drivetrain is still intact.
> 
> 
> Ed Fleshman
> Columbia, SC
> EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page
> 
> 
1970 Chevelle SS Convertible. 396, Muncie M-21, original 14 inch wheels. A few things have been changed out over the years, headlights, top, things like that, but the drivetrain is still intact.


Ed Fleshman
Columbia, SC
EFMF - My Personal Automotive Page



RE: [Chevelle-list] Re:Classic Auto Air Group Purchase

2005-06-16 Thread Daniel De Smet

Do you have a copy of the manual for a 64 Chevelle?  If so can you e-mail it to me off list?
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or 
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Thank You>Describing how hard is it to install is kind of a subjective thing!  >Have you ever had the dash out, changed a heater core or the fan >motor in the vehicle?>>>I've got copies of the installation manuals that I can e mail (15 >megs so you'd have to have dsl or BB) or mail.  Then you can decide >if it's something you can do.>>Gary>>




Re: [Chevelle-list] rear control arm question

2005-06-16 Thread chevelle292wagon
> From: "James Colgan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hi Clint , why rubber an not poly in the rear control >arms? just curious.
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I'm not Clint but let me throw my two cents in...
The rear suspension geometry is not perfect apparently.
It needs a little rubber to allow it to travel smoothly. 
Global West offers better bushings and spherical joints too.
see:
http://www.globalwest.net/1964-72%20A-BODIES.htm#Lemans

Go to bottom of page for rear control arms.
(But the whole page is well worth reading.)

Pete Geurds
Douglassville, PA




[Chevelle-list] Clutches

2005-06-16 Thread Chevelle List



Hi again all
   I have to do the clutch in my 66...I 
am wondering what the best kind to put in is and also if there is a way you can 
tell how many splines there are on the trans. shaft without pulling it...I am 
told there are two kinds a 26 spline and a 10 splineAny help in knowledge 
would be app
Its a 327/325hp 
engine...John


Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

2005-06-16 Thread wbainey
I have a 70 LS5 car but it unfortunately isn't near original showroom 
condition but a nice cruiser. 

Walt
http://www.personal.kent.edu/~wbainey/CHEVELLE.htm


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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 70 ss only

> can some one do a count on the list of who has a 1970 original ss 
> chevelle  
> IM curious to see how many owners are on here
> 



Re: [Chevelle-list] rear control arm question

2005-06-16 Thread James Colgan
Hi Clint , why rubber an not poly in the rear control arms? just curious.
Jimmy Colgan
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> I would buy some aftermarket boxed arms with rubber bushings. No poly
> bushings in the rear suspension.
> Clint Hooper
> H&H Custom,owner
> 1969 El Camino ProTourer
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>
> > Folks,
> >
> > My '66 is long overdue for new bushings on the
> > rear control arms..  I was wondering if the best plan
> > is to replace the bushings in the existing control
> > arms, or just junk them and get new arms w/bushings
> > already built in-  The car's a driver, not a priceless
> > all-original cream puff.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Jim
> > '66 Malibu
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