RE: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT
Thanks, Alex. I will do that when I get a chance. Brian From: "Alex LaRue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Chevelle Mailing List To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:07:19 -0500 Summersville is about 20 miles South. Stop in and see us next time you pass by. My office is on the Square in Hodgenville. I will get you the particulars on the Knob Creek Shoot as soon as I can. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance Personal & Business Insurance Collector Car Insurance Life Insurance P O Box 119 Hodgenville, KY 42748 800-303-3518 Fax 270-358-8978 Visit us online at www.LaRueInsurance.net Join President Bush and a host of others here in Hodgenville on February 12th, 2008 to kickoff the two year Lincoln Bicentennial Celebration!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Knight Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:51 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT Just noticed you are in Hodgenville. I have some in-laws that live in Sommersville on Hodgenville road. Not sure how close that is to you, though. Brian >From: "Alex LaRue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Chevelle Mailing List > >To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" >Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT >Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:51:13 -0500 > >Brian, what part of KY are you in? I am in Hodgenville. Maybe Clint could >bring that 50 up to the Knob Creek Shoot in Bullitt County next year. You >definitely need to make Chevell A Bration. It is like a big family reunion >car show. Best bunch of people you will ever meet. > > > >Alex LaRue >LaRue Insurance >Personal & Business Insurance >Collector Car Insurance >Life Insurance >P O Box 119 >Hodgenville, KY 42748 >800-303-3518 Fax 270-358-8978 > >Visit us online at www.LaRueInsurance.net > >Join President Bush and a host of others here in Hodgenville on February >12th, 2008 to kickoff the two year Lincoln Bicentennial Celebration!!! > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Knight >Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:35 PM >To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT > > >Or at least a trunk monkey > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List > >To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net > >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT > >Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:26:49 EST > > > >I had a lady side swipe my Chevelle while stationed at Campbell. Was > >wishing > >I had a gun that day > >_ >Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® >Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
Re: [Chevelle-list] oil pan
The pickup should be around 1/4" from the bottom of the pan. Bill Vander Werf - Original Message - From: Jimmy C. To: Chevelle Forum Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:28 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] oil pan hey Guys, I need some more advise :o) I had gotten a 7 quart oil pan when I had my 454 redone, but it wont fit into my 72 chevelle. so I picked up a Miloden pan from Jeg's and today I tried to put a "Miloden" stock replacement and a stock BBC pick-up . through my inexperience I tried the pan and it didnt fit flush up to the bottom of the block .I think it was resting against the oil pick-up. I was able to make all the pan bolts starting in the middle and working my way out to the edges , everything seems snug? question is how far should the oil pick-up bee from the bottom of the pan ? (it probaly shouldnt be against it like I suspect). I would love to hear what you guys think ! do I have the wrong pick-up, sump or pan . thanks again ! Jimmy.C
[Chevelle-list] oil pan
hey Guys, I need some more advise :o) I had gotten a 7 quart oil pan when I had my 454 redone, but it wont fit into my 72 chevelle. so I picked up a Miloden pan from Jeg's and today I tried to put a "Miloden" stock replacement and a stock BBC pick-up . through my inexperience I tried the pan and it didnt fit flush up to the bottom of the block .I think it was resting against the oil pick-up. I was able to make all the pan bolts starting in the middle and working my way out to the edges , everything seems snug? question is how far should the oil pick-up bee from the bottom of the pan ? (it probaly shouldnt be against it like I suspect). I would love to hear what you guys think ! do I have the wrong pick-up, sump or pan . thanks again ! Jimmy.C
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? {public apology}
hey Mike
no need to apologize
thank you!
Bill
- Original Message -
From: "mike f" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "The Chevelle Mailing List"
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? {public apology}
I wrote a scathing email to the person or persons that
went "political" in this last couple of threads. Well
I was not happy for many reasons. Suffice to say, we
all don't have the same recollections and some of us
who invest heavily get very frustrated by J6P's
version if events. When the list went with the thread
and kept it going, I was the one who should have just
deleted the messages and shut up. Please accept my
apology, who ever you are, out there.
mike
--- gail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
craig, i dont think anyone could have said it any
better.
- Original Message -
From: Dan McIntosh
To: Craig Ellis ; The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Teaching tolerance isnt a bad thing IMO, whether
it be gay tolerance or race tolerance or anything
else..
As long as were on the subject of firearms, I'll
be taking my CCW class in the beginning of December.
Dan McIntosh
1960 Impala Sport Coupe
Street Metal Fabrications
http://www.lowriderimpala.com
- Original Message -
From: Craig Ellis
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once
announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The
media people didn't understand it so they never
attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media
people can't figure out whether they should lease
their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither
can anyone else because they don't teach the concept
in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance
and Ebonics.
Just for the record, my idea of "gun control"
is putting the second round through the same hole as
the first.
- Original Message -
From: Clint Hooper
To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government
takes from the needy and gives to the greedy."
Clint Hooper
H&H Custom,owner
1969 El Camino ProTourer
2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger
http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
- Original Message -
From: Craig Ellis
Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed
raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS
wants them to, not because government wants them to.
99.% of the people in the world do not know that
inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians
and media because a) it is over the head of most
media people and b) it is over the head of nearly
all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys.
Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a
currency. When you see the "national debt" number,
what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed.
The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to
American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and
401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes
and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings
Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is,
people or countries or companies who owe more money
in debt than is owed to them by others. The
government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic
margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because
it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that
have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less
than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the
bond, T-bill, T-note, etc.
All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might
remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the
national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could
not pay it off so the government, then under Richard
Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And
this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from
12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years.
Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you
might also remember stories about the inflation rate
in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that.
That, too, is just the government in power
"devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the
world, all the time.
If you really want to see true change in
this country, demand that your schools teach people
two things: The "time value of money" (also called
"discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and
the difference between "progressive" and
"regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people
understood these two things, every politician in
office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind
- Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go
farther than that - if people understood the concept
of regressive taxes alone every p
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
A-Men CLINT! - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The media people didn't understand it so they never attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media people can't figure out whether they should lease their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither can anyone else because they don't teach the concept in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance and Ebonics. Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" is putting the second round through the same hole as the first. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the government screws poor people. They do this because they can - you see, the rich people "get it". They understand how the tax system works and how to circumvent the system. Poor people don't have the knowledge so they get screwed. It isn't a big conspiracy, it is your elected representatives creating a tax system that enables them to tax the people with the smallest voice - and that is you and me. Finally, permit me to say that, I can teach ANYONE who graduated from high school these two ideas and the fact that our high schools do NOT teach these things is, IMHO, nearly criminal. I was taught these ideas in the first accounting class I took to become a CPA. Every CPA understands this stuff which is why all CPAs hate taxes. But that doesn't mean only CPAs "get it". This stuff is pretty easy when it is taught properly. - Original Message - From: Matthew Post To: T
Re: [Chevelle-list] Chassis and steering options
Dan, I'm also using an AGR box and so far so good, except it does squeal when I reach the limit of its span. I got mine from Summit. Fred On Nov 23, 2005, at 6:26 PM, Herb Lumpp wrote: Dan, I have an AGR box on my El and so far it's been flawless. Here's AGR's web page http://www.agrperformance.com/ and another good thing, Summit sells AGR so when you find the part number for your application, go to Summit and get a lower price. Herb Lumpp http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Clint Hooper Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:36 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Chassis and steering options According to a post I just read on Pro-Touring.com,the ATS spindles were quoted at $625/pair for a 1st Gen F-body. I emailed the builders to give me a price quote on a A-body spindles.(basically the same thing) What's keeping me from buying a pair now is the fact I would have to sell my Baer C4 Vette brakes and buy C5 or C6 stuff. I'll probably wait till the new Z06 brake parts become more readily available and then do it all at one time. My recommendation for a good steering box would be AGR out of the Dallas area. Maybe someone can post their contact information as I can't seem to find their business card,right now. If anyone else is running another good box,maybe they can post the info. Herb? Keith? Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck I ordered the GW setup. I know there is better, but they gave me a $600 discount..I have checked into the ATX spindles, but they are not ready for sale, and..I would have to upgrade my mags. Too much for one time! I’m not quite as rich as you are Clint..GRIN. The ATX spindles will run close to $800 a piece, plus I would still need to upgrade the A arms! Oh well…I can cry later. I also found out I need to upgrade to a 12:1 steering box. Any suggestions on who to get it from or get my old one reworked. Plus some mods on my rear axle for the upgraded Wilwood rear brakes. You were correct, about their being some sharp folks on Lateral G. Thanks for the recommendation. Dan
Re: [Chevelle-list] Hay Clint! OFF SUBJECT
Hey Bob I"m a police officer in Topeka Kansas and I have several guns that i"m always looking for a good price on ammo. Mark 67 Chevelle - Original Message - From: bob howard To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:57 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Hay Clint! OFF SUBJECT This is Bob form OK. I used to own a gun store and indoor range in Okla. City, till 2003. sold it and moved too the farm to raise cows and get away from the city. I saw where you buy ammo at walley world. what kind of guns do you like? if you prefer to say off list i understand.I can still buy wholesale just not guns. By the way Steve Cook has a new project, a 47 FORD, it is a one of a kind car you might want to get the info from him, i cant remember all the details( senior moment you know). Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] 64 SS Chevelle 65 SS Chevelle
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? {public apology}
I wrote a scathing email to the person or persons that went "political" in this last couple of threads. Well I was not happy for many reasons. Suffice to say, we all don't have the same recollections and some of us who invest heavily get very frustrated by J6P's version if events. When the list went with the thread and kept it going, I was the one who should have just deleted the messages and shut up. Please accept my apology, who ever you are, out there. mike --- gail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > craig, i dont think anyone could have said it any > better. > - Original Message - > From: Dan McIntosh > To: Craig Ellis ; The Chevelle Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? > > > Teaching tolerance isnt a bad thing IMO, whether > it be gay tolerance or race tolerance or anything > else.. > > As long as were on the subject of firearms, I'll > be taking my CCW class in the beginning of December. > > > Dan McIntosh > 1960 Impala Sport Coupe > Street Metal Fabrications > http://www.lowriderimpala.com > - Original Message - > From: Craig Ellis > To: The Chevelle Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? > > > Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once > announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The > media people didn't understand it so they never > attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media > people can't figure out whether they should lease > their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither > can anyone else because they don't teach the concept > in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance > and Ebonics. > > Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" > is putting the second round through the same hole as > the first. > > - Original Message - > From: Clint Hooper > To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM > Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? > > > Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government > takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." > Clint Hooper > H&H Custom,owner > 1969 El Camino ProTourer > 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger > > http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm > - Original Message - > From: Craig Ellis > > > Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed > raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS > wants them to, not because government wants them to. > 99.% of the people in the world do not know that > inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians > and media because a) it is over the head of most > media people and b) it is over the head of nearly > all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. > > > Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a > currency. When you see the "national debt" number, > what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. > The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to > American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and > 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes > and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings > Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, > people or countries or companies who owe more money > in debt than is owed to them by others. The > government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic > margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because > it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that > have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less > than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the > bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. > > All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might > remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the > national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could > not pay it off so the government, then under Richard > Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And > this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from > 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. > Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you > might also remember stories about the inflation rate > in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. > That, too, is just the government in power > "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the > world, all the time. > > If you really want to see true change in > this country, demand that your schools teach people > two things: The "time value of money" (also called > "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and > the difference between "progressive" and > "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people > understood these two things, every politician in > office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind > - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go > farther than that - if people understood the concept > of regressive taxes alone every politician in office > would be ar
Re: [Chevelle-list] Chassis and steering options
I'm surprised the Flaming River box was cheaper. I talked to both reps at the Goodguys shows last months. AGR quoted me $320 for their 12.7:1 box and FR wanted almost $500 for their variable ratio box. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck Clint I ended up getting everything, from tilt steering, to the box from Flaming River. They have a new 12:1 box. Summit sells AGR. I was surprised that Summit sells Flaming River, but Flaming River was cheaper direct. I called Summit and they thought they could meet or beat the price. He put me on hold, and ..the Summit Rep said he could not meet the price!! STRANGE! I went with Flaming River to make sure all items matched! The ATX spindles were higher priced than $625, when I called them for an A-body spindle, plus they were not available and wouldnt be for some time! You also had to used bigger mags ..I went with GW and their Cat 5 system. Call me stupid, but Ill give it a try. If its poor, Ill be the first to say I was stupid!(GRIN) I do believe the ATX spindles are the ultimate way to go!! I would like to see them have a little use before jumping on the bandwagon! Dan From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:36 PMTo: chevelle-list@chevelles.netSubject: [Chevelle-list] Chassis and steering options According to a post I just read on Pro-Touring.com,the ATS spindles were quoted at $625/pair for a 1st Gen F-body. I emailed the builders to give me a price quote on a A-body spindles.(basically the same thing) What's keeping me from buying a pair now is the fact I would have to sell my Baer C4 Vette brakes and buy C5 or C6 stuff. I'll probably wait till the new Z06 brake parts become more readily available and then do it all at one time. My recommendation for a good steering box would be AGR out of the Dallas area. Maybe someone can post their contact information as I can't seem to find their business card,right now. If anyone else is running another good box,maybe they can post the info. Herb? Keith? Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck I ordered the GW setup. I know there is better, but they gave me a $600 discount..I have checked into the ATX spindles, but they are not ready for sale, and..I would have to upgrade my mags. Too much for one time! Im not quite as rich as you are Clint..GRIN. The ATX spindles will run close to $800 a piece, plus I would still need to upgrade the A arms! Oh well I can cry later. I also found out I need to upgrade to a 12:1 steering box. Any suggestions on who to get it from or get my old one reworked. Plus some mods on my rear axle for the upgraded Wilwood rear brakes. You were correct, about their being some sharp folks on Lateral G. Thanks for the recommendation. Dan
RE: [Chevelle-list] Chassis and steering options
Dan, I have an AGR box on my El and so far it's been flawless. Here's AGR's web page http://www.agrperformance.com/ and another good thing, Summit sells AGR so when you find the part number for your application, go to Summit and get a lower price. Herb Lumpphttp://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Clint HooperSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:36 PMTo: chevelle-list@chevelles.netSubject: [Chevelle-list] Chassis and steering options According to a post I just read on Pro-Touring.com,the ATS spindles were quoted at $625/pair for a 1st Gen F-body. I emailed the builders to give me a price quote on a A-body spindles.(basically the same thing) What's keeping me from buying a pair now is the fact I would have to sell my Baer C4 Vette brakes and buy C5 or C6 stuff. I'll probably wait till the new Z06 brake parts become more readily available and then do it all at one time. My recommendation for a good steering box would be AGR out of the Dallas area. Maybe someone can post their contact information as I can't seem to find their business card,right now. If anyone else is running another good box,maybe they can post the info. Herb? Keith? Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck I ordered the GW setup. I know there is better, but they gave me a $600 discount..I have checked into the ATX spindles, but they are not ready for sale, and..I would have to upgrade my mags. Too much for one time! Im not quite as rich as you are Clint..GRIN. The ATX spindles will run close to $800 a piece, plus I would still need to upgrade the A arms! Oh well I can cry later. I also found out I need to upgrade to a 12:1 steering box. Any suggestions on who to get it from or get my old one reworked. Plus some mods on my rear axle for the upgraded Wilwood rear brakes. You were correct, about their being some sharp folks on Lateral G. Thanks for the recommendation. Dan
Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home?
craig, i dont think anyone could have said it any better. - Original Message - From: Dan McIntosh To: Craig Ellis ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Teaching tolerance isnt a bad thing IMO, whether it be gay tolerance or race tolerance or anything else.. As long as were on the subject of firearms, I'll be taking my CCW class in the beginning of December. Dan McIntosh1960 Impala Sport CoupeStreet Metal Fabricationshttp://www.lowriderimpala.com - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The media people didn't understand it so they never attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media people can't figure out whether they should lease their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither can anyone else because they don't teach the concept in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance and Ebonics. Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" is putting the second round through the same hole as the first. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the governme
RE: [Chevelle-list] Chassis and steering options
Clint I ended up getting everything, from tilt steering, to the box from Flaming River. They have a new 12:1 box. Summit sells AGR. I was surprised that Summit sells Flaming River, but Flaming River was cheaper direct. I called Summit and they thought they could meet or beat the price. He put me on hold, and…..the Summit Rep said he could not meet the price!! STRANGE! I went with Flaming River to make sure all items matched! The ATX spindles were higher priced than $625, when I called them for an A-body spindle, plus…they were not available and wouldn’t be for some time! You also had to used bigger mags…..I went with GW and their Cat 5 system. Call me stupid, but I’ll give it a try. If it’s poor, I’ll be the first to say I was stupid!(GRIN) I do believe the ATX spindles are the ultimate way to go!! I would like to see them have a little use before jumping on the bandwagon! Dan From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:36 PM To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Chassis and steering options According to a post I just read on Pro-Touring.com,the ATS spindles were quoted at $625/pair for a 1st Gen F-body. I emailed the builders to give me a price quote on a A-body spindles.(basically the same thing) What's keeping me from buying a pair now is the fact I would have to sell my Baer C4 Vette brakes and buy C5 or C6 stuff. I'll probably wait till the new Z06 brake parts become more readily available and then do it all at one time. My recommendation for a good steering box would be AGR out of the Dallas area. Maybe someone can post their contact information as I can't seem to find their business card,right now. If anyone else is running another good box,maybe they can post the info. Herb? Keith? Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck I ordered the GW setup. I know there is better, but they gave me a $600 discount..I have checked into the ATX spindles, but they are not ready for sale, and..I would have to upgrade my mags. Too much for one time! I’m not quite as rich as you are Clint..GRIN. The ATX spindles will run close to $800 a piece, plus I would still need to upgrade the A arms! Oh well…I can cry later. I also found out I need to upgrade to a 12:1 steering box. Any suggestions on who to get it from or get my old one reworked. Plus some mods on my rear axle for the upgraded Wilwood rear brakes. You were correct, about their being some sharp folks on Lateral G. Thanks for the recommendation. Dan
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Teaching tolerance isnt a bad thing IMO, whether it be gay tolerance or race tolerance or anything else.. As long as were on the subject of firearms, I'll be taking my CCW class in the beginning of December. Dan McIntosh1960 Impala Sport CoupeStreet Metal Fabricationshttp://www.lowriderimpala.com - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The media people didn't understand it so they never attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media people can't figure out whether they should lease their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither can anyone else because they don't teach the concept in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance and Ebonics. Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" is putting the second round through the same hole as the first. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the government screws poor people. They do this because they can - you see, the rich people "get it". They understand how the tax system works and how to circumvent the system. Poor people don't have the knowledge so they get screwed. It isn't a big conspiracy, it is your elected representatives creating a tax system that enables them to tax the people with the smallest voice - and that is you and me. Finally, permit me to say that, I can teach ANYONE who graduated from high school these two ideas and the fact that our high schools do NOT teach these things is, IMHO, nearly criminal. I was taught these ideas in the first accounting class I
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Aint it the truth, Clint. Reagan once announced in a speech that "inflation is tax". The media people didn't understand it so they never attacked him for it. Lucky for Reagan, most media people can't figure out whether they should lease their new Chevy or buy it. For that matter, neither can anyone else because they don't teach the concept in school...they're too busy teaching gay tolerance and Ebonics. Just for the record, my idea of "gun control" is putting the second round through the same hole as the first. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: Fw: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the government screws poor people. They do this because they can - you see, the rich people "get it". They understand how the tax system works and how to circumvent the system. Poor people don't have the knowledge so they get screwed. It isn't a big conspiracy, it is your elected representatives creating a tax system that enables them to tax the people with the smallest voice - and that is you and me. Finally, permit me to say that, I can teach ANYONE who graduated from high school these two ideas and the fact that our high schools do NOT teach these things is, IMHO, nearly criminal. I was taught these ideas in the first accounting class I took to become a CPA. Every CPA understands this stuff which is why all CPAs hate taxes. But that doesn't mean only CPAs "get it". This stuff is pretty easy when it is taught properly. - Original Message - From: Matthew Post To: The Chevelle Mailing List ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Like I said, if the media tells people an economic indicator came in "worse than expected" it's perceived as bad. Even if an indicator may be trending downward, it
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Yep,Ronald Reagan said it best. "Government takes from the needy and gives to the greedy." Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the government screws poor people. They do this because they can - you see, the rich people "get it". They understand how the tax system works and how to circumvent the system. Poor people don't have the knowledge so they get screwed. It isn't a big conspiracy, it is your elected representatives creating a tax system that enables them to tax the people with the smallest voice - and that is you and me. Finally, permit me to say that, I can teach ANYONE who graduated from high school these two ideas and the fact that our high schools do NOT teach these things is, IMHO, nearly criminal. I was taught these ideas in the first accounting class I took to become a CPA. Every CPA understands this stuff which is why all CPAs hate taxes. But that doesn't mean only CPAs "get it". This stuff is pretty easy when it is taught properly. - Original Message - From: Matthew Post To: The Chevelle Mailing List ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Like I said, if the media tells people an economic indicator came in "worse than expected" it's perceived as bad. Even if an indicator may be trending downward, it still can be very strong. GDP has been clipping along at above 3% for several quarters in a row & unemployment is low at 5%. If the economics of the US are so bad, why would the FED continue to raise interest rates? Fact is the economy is doing well, so they are raising interest rates to prevent inflation. Believe it or not, the post-Katrina effect is going to be positive for the economy. Construction, building materials, etc. Of course, all this building is being fueled by government spending. The negative effect of Katrina will be inflation which the FED hopes to prevent and higher deficits. The deficit is being funded by foreign investment at a pace of $100 Billion a Month. So, the US is screwed when other countries won't fund our spending.At 04:54 PM 11/22/2005, Clint Hooper wrote: Germany's reunification with Com
[Chevelle-list] Chassis and steering options
According to a post I just read on Pro-Touring.com,the ATS spindles were quoted at $625/pair for a 1st Gen F-body. I emailed the builders to give me a price quote on a A-body spindles.(basically the same thing) What's keeping me from buying a pair now is the fact I would have to sell my Baer C4 Vette brakes and buy C5 or C6 stuff. I'll probably wait till the new Z06 brake parts become more readily available and then do it all at one time. My recommendation for a good steering box would be AGR out of the Dallas area. Maybe someone can post their contact information as I can't seem to find their business card,right now. If anyone else is running another good box,maybe they can post the info. Herb? Keith? Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck I ordered the GW setup. I know there is better, but they gave me a $600 discount..I have checked into the ATX spindles, but they are not ready for sale, and..I would have to upgrade my mags. Too much for one time! Im not quite as rich as you are Clint..GRIN. The ATX spindles will run close to $800 a piece, plus I would still need to upgrade the A arms! Oh well I can cry later. I also found out I need to upgrade to a 12:1 steering box. Any suggestions on who to get it from or get my old one reworked. Plus some mods on my rear axle for the upgraded Wilwood rear brakes. You were correct, about their being some sharp folks on Lateral G. Thanks for the recommendation. Dan
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Again, I hate to interject here but the Fed raises rates to check inflation because BUSINESS wants them to, not because government wants them to. 99.% of the people in the world do not know that inflation is TAX. It is not discussed by politicians and media because a) it is over the head of most media people and b) it is over the head of nearly all attorneys and our politicians are all attorneys. Inflation is the systematic devaluation of a currency. When you see the "national debt" number, what is not discussed is to whom that debt is owed. The fact is, the debt is owed almost entirely to American citizens (and their pension plans, IRAs and 401ks) in the form of US Treasury bills and notes and bonds (among which is the ubiquitous Savings Bond). Inflation benefits "net debtors", that is, people or countries or companies who owe more money in debt than is owed to them by others. The government is the biggest "net debtor" by a gigantic margin. Thus, inflation HELPS the government because it allows them to pay YOU back with dollars that have been "devalued"...that is, they are worth less than the dollars you loaned them when you bought the bond, T-bill, T-note, etc. All you Vietnam era vets and citizens might remember that at the end of the Vietnam War the national debt was staggering. In fact, the US could not pay it off so the government, then under Richard Nixon, devalued the currency 25% in one day. And this was on top of inflation rates that ranged from 12% to 20% over the preceeding three or four years. Folks, this is "inflation" gone mad. Some of you might also remember stories about the inflation rate in Brazil being 100% per month and things like that. That, too, is just the government in power "devaluing" the currency. It happens all over the world, all the time. If you really want to see true change in this country, demand that your schools teach people two things: The "time value of money" (also called "discounted cash flow" and how to figure it out) and the difference between "progressive" and "regressive" tax systems. If ordinary people understood these two things, every politician in office would be thrown out on his or her fat behind - Repulicans and Democrats alike. In fact, I'll go farther than that - if people understood the concept of regressive taxes alone every politician in office would be arrested and charged with sedition. The old saying "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" exists not because rich people screw poor people but because the government screws poor people. They do this because they can - you see, the rich people "get it". They understand how the tax system works and how to circumvent the system. Poor people don't have the knowledge so they get screwed. It isn't a big conspiracy, it is your elected representatives creating a tax system that enables them to tax the people with the smallest voice - and that is you and me. Finally, permit me to say that, I can teach ANYONE who graduated from high school these two ideas and the fact that our high schools do NOT teach these things is, IMHO, nearly criminal. I was taught these ideas in the first accounting class I took to become a CPA. Every CPA understands this stuff which is why all CPAs hate taxes. But that doesn't mean only CPAs "get it". This stuff is pretty easy when it is taught properly. - Original Message - From: Matthew Post To: The Chevelle Mailing List ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Like I said, if the media tells people an economic indicator came in "worse than expected" it's perceived as bad. Even if an indicator may be trending downward, it still can be very strong. GDP has been clipping along at above 3% for several quarters in a row & unemployment is low at 5%. If the economics of the US are so bad, why would the FED continue to raise interest rates? Fact is the economy is doing well, so they are raising interest rates to prevent inflation. Believe it or not, the post-Katrina effect is going to be positive for the economy. Construction, building materials, etc. Of course, all this building is being fueled by government spending. The negative effect of Katrina will be inflation which the FED hopes to prevent and higher deficits. The deficit is being funded by foreign investment at a pace of $100 Billion a Month. So, the US is screwed when other countries won't fund our spending.At 04:54 PM 11/22/2005, Clint Hooper wrote: Germany's reunification with Combloc East Germany is the main reason for their struggles,at the moment. It's certainly not us kicking their butts. As for France,who the heck cares? I'm an optimist but the US economy isn't doing that well,Matt. Most of the economic indicators are trending down
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You obviously have a good handle on economics,Matt. I'll concede your points. What countries do you think are funding the largest part of our foreign investment? What would happen if they decide to stop? Seems I remember an Asian nation starting WWII because we tried to strangle them,economically. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Matthew Post I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Like I said, if the media tells people an economic indicator came in "worse than expected" it's perceived as bad. Even if an indicator may be trending downward, it still can be very strong. GDP has been clipping along at above 3% for several quarters in a row & unemployment is low at 5%. If the economics of the US are so bad, why would the FED continue to raise interest rates? Fact is the economy is doing well, so they are raising interest rates to prevent inflation. Believe it or not, the post-Katrina effect is going to be positive for the economy. Construction, building materials, etc. Of course, all this building is being fueled by government spending. The negative effect of Katrina will be inflation which the FED hopes to prevent and higher deficits. The deficit is being funded by foreign investment at a pace of $100 Billion a Month. So, the US is screwed when other countries won't fund our spending.
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I understand the frustration,Mike. However,there are more buying options than you think. Isn't it ironic that we give our enemy China the money to eventually take us on in a war (give it less than ten years) when we would give to an ally (Mexico)? Trading with our southern neighbors would seem to cure two problems; one being the illegal immigration and the other would be the upgraded standard of living would tend to hurt all the insurgencies they have down there. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Mike Holleman Craig, The only trouble with this logic is we will then be WALKING around NAKED without anything the PLAY with. It really has gotten to this point because China has become our new cheap labor market. I don't like it either but I'm not sure it is within our ability to change it. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not clothes, not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can send.
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Now,that idea has possibilities. For some reason,I've never been to the Knob Creek MG Shoot before but have been to the Soldier of Fortune events a few times. Funds and especially health problems are really limiting my travel options anymore,though. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: "Alex LaRue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Brian, what part of KY are you in? I am in Hodgenville. Maybe Clint could > bring that 50 up to the Knob Creek Shoot in Bullitt County next year. You > definitely need to make Chevell A Bration. It is like a big family reunion > car show. Best bunch of people you will ever meet. > Alex LaRue > LaRue Insurance > P O Box 119 > Hodgenville, KY 42748 > 800-303-3518 Fax 270-358-8978
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You might take it somewhere and have them check it with dye and a black light. Gene - Original Message - From: "Larry Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Advice - Off Subject > Thanks for the advice. No additive for the engine. I didn't take it > too the dealer YET. But probably will eventually. > > Larry Williams > > 65 SS 427 > > mike f wrote: > > >What does the Acura Dealer say? > > > >--- Larry Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > > > > > > > >>I had a 2001 Acura GSR rebuilt recently at a small > >>shop. The engine has > >>a persistent oil leak. Somewhere in the head area - > >>either the cam > >>seals or head gasket. The seals have been replaced > >>2X, oil pressure > >>sender replaced, and the head gasket re-torqued, > >>and it still leaks one > >>or two drops on the driveway daily, and deposits oil > >>all over the lower > >>engine. > >> > >>The shop owner is out of ideas and wants to put an > >>oil additive in that > >>stops oil leaks - probably will swell the seals. > >> > >>Would you guys try this? > >> > >>Larry Williams > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >__ > >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > >http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >
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well said bill! - Original Message - From: Bill Bradley To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? ok, i guess its time for me to toss in my 2 cents.I'm an american. i could care less where your (or my ) ancestors came from .i drive what i can afford and what i like. i buy american. if i buy a foreign vehicle its used, i know where my money goes (to an american). and since tomorrow is Thanksgiving in the United States i just thought i'd mention how thankful i am that i can buy what i want , from whoever i want, and can bitch about whatever i want when i want. and i know each and every one of you are thankful you have the right to hear me bitch on any subject i please. the bitching stops when i'm 6 foot under. thanks for your tollerance, feel FREE to bitch. Bill Bradley Edmond Oklahoma Marine combat vet Chevelle owner spoiled American and proud of it - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Now maybe we're getting somewhere... Maybe not buying Japanese is a bit more personal for you than unfair trade practices. Sorry to hear about your grandfather James. Having said that, I will also tell you that I am half Japanese, was born an American, I served my country, and I fly Old Glory WITH PRIDE every day. Even though I am half Japanese, it's something I usually don't even think about, unless I run across someone wanting to blame me for something done by someone else generations ago. This being America, you're certainly within your right to think and spend your money as you see fit. As for me, I buy things because it meets my needs or fancy, not necessarily where it's made. All else being equal - or close, I will try to buy American. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit
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haha james, i'll keep that in mind. - Original Message - From: Rozanski Joe (AP/EDC) To: Craig Ellis ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:00 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? to bitch on the other foot, the american auto companies are sending the work and product overseas because it is cheaper for labor and product.So the cost is cheaper but we don't see the cost of cars going down. just the profit going up. so who is screwing who?they are closing plants and technology down here, so who is going to cars in the u.s. without a job or money and we can only export so much. but with todays economy you have to think about better bang for the buck, which would be foreign vehicles.but for me as a auto worker RACE CHEVYS and TOW THEM WITH FORDS. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig EllisSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:41 AMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? By the way, I just wrote a note to the LIST about profits and whatnot - I inadvertently wrote that note in a "reply" to a posted note by Clint Hooper but it was NOT intended to go to Clint. I just didn't think to create a new message for my little rant. So, I hope no one thought I was cranked up a Clint. Just for the record, I wouldn't buy a Japanese car unless you had a gun pointed at me and I was pretty sure you'd pull the trigger. These days I am a recruiter in the automotive industry and recruit plant operations, engineering, and management people all over the country and mostly for domestic OEM suppliers. I know a lot about the business and Clint is exactly right: Unfair trade with China and other countries is killing us. What is even more apalling is that we are not only hiring the Chinese to make the parts, we are giving them the technology and education to do it. It is madness. In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not clothes, not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can send. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying a
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Craig, The only trouble with this logic is we will then be WALKING around NAKED without anything the PLAY with. It really has gotten to this point because China has become our new cheap labor market. I don't like it either but I'm not sure it is within our ability to change it. Mike Holleman - Original Message - From: Craig Ellis To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? By the way, I just wrote a note to the LIST about profits and whatnot - I inadvertently wrote that note in a "reply" to a posted note by Clint Hooper but it was NOT intended to go to Clint. I just didn't think to create a new message for my little rant. So, I hope no one thought I was cranked up a Clint. Just for the record, I wouldn't buy a Japanese car unless you had a gun pointed at me and I was pretty sure you'd pull the trigger. These days I am a recruiter in the automotive industry and recruit plant operations, engineering, and management people all over the country and mostly for domestic OEM suppliers. I know a lot about the business and Clint is exactly right: Unfair trade with China and other countries is killing us. What is even more apalling is that we are not only hiring the Chinese to make the parts, we are giving them the technology and education to do it. It is madness. In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not clothes, not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can send. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Ch
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Summersville is about 20 miles South. Stop in and see us next time you pass by. My office is on the Square in Hodgenville. I will get you the particulars on the Knob Creek Shoot as soon as I can. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance Personal & Business Insurance Collector Car Insurance Life Insurance P O Box 119 Hodgenville, KY 42748 800-303-3518 Fax 270-358-8978 Visit us online at www.LaRueInsurance.net Join President Bush and a host of others here in Hodgenville on February 12th, 2008 to kickoff the two year Lincoln Bicentennial Celebration!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Knight Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:51 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT Just noticed you are in Hodgenville. I have some in-laws that live in Sommersville on Hodgenville road. Not sure how close that is to you, though. Brian >From: "Alex LaRue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Chevelle Mailing List > >To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" >Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT >Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:51:13 -0500 > >Brian, what part of KY are you in? I am in Hodgenville. Maybe Clint could >bring that 50 up to the Knob Creek Shoot in Bullitt County next year. You >definitely need to make Chevell A Bration. It is like a big family reunion >car show. Best bunch of people you will ever meet. > > > >Alex LaRue >LaRue Insurance >Personal & Business Insurance >Collector Car Insurance >Life Insurance >P O Box 119 >Hodgenville, KY 42748 >800-303-3518 Fax 270-358-8978 > >Visit us online at www.LaRueInsurance.net > >Join President Bush and a host of others here in Hodgenville on February >12th, 2008 to kickoff the two year Lincoln Bicentennial Celebration!!! > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Knight >Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:35 PM >To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT > > >Or at least a trunk monkey > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List > >To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net > >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT > >Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:26:49 EST > > > >I had a lady side swipe my Chevelle while stationed at Campbell. Was > >wishing > >I had a gun that day > >_ >Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® >Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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Just noticed you are in Hodgenville. I have some in-laws that live in Sommersville on Hodgenville road. Not sure how close that is to you, though. Brian From: "Alex LaRue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Chevelle Mailing List To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:51:13 -0500 Brian, what part of KY are you in? I am in Hodgenville. Maybe Clint could bring that 50 up to the Knob Creek Shoot in Bullitt County next year. You definitely need to make Chevell A Bration. It is like a big family reunion car show. Best bunch of people you will ever meet. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance Personal & Business Insurance Collector Car Insurance Life Insurance P O Box 119 Hodgenville, KY 42748 800-303-3518 Fax 270-358-8978 Visit us online at www.LaRueInsurance.net Join President Bush and a host of others here in Hodgenville on February 12th, 2008 to kickoff the two year Lincoln Bicentennial Celebration!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Knight Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:35 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT Or at least a trunk monkey >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List >To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT >Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:26:49 EST > >I had a lady side swipe my Chevelle while stationed at Campbell. Was >wishing >I had a gun that day _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. Like I said, if the media tells people an economic indicator came in "worse than expected" it's perceived as bad. Even if an indicator may be trending downward, it still can be very strong. GDP has been clipping along at above 3% for several quarters in a row & unemployment is low at 5%. If the economics of the US are so bad, why would the FED continue to raise interest rates? Fact is the economy is doing well, so they are raising interest rates to prevent inflation. Believe it or not, the post-Katrina effect is going to be positive for the economy. Construction, building materials, etc. Of course, all this building is being fueled by government spending. The negative effect of Katrina will be inflation which the FED hopes to prevent and higher deficits. The deficit is being funded by foreign investment at a pace of $100 Billion a Month. So, the US is screwed when other countries won't fund our spending. At 04:54 PM 11/22/2005, Clint Hooper wrote: Germany's reunification with Combloc East Germany is the main reason for their struggles,at the moment. It's certainly not us kicking their butts. As for France,who the heck cares? I'm an optimist but the US economy isn't doing that well,Matt. Most of the economic indicators are trending downward. However,disasters like Katrina sure haven't done us any favors. Even though I support what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan,the cost is hurting us,bigtime. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Matthew Post What people fail to see and what the media fails to report is how well our economy is actually doing. Europe and Asia cannot keep up. With the exception of China, who has to revert to unfair trade practices to succeed, we are doing better than anywhere else. Japan has been in a decade long depression (wonder it that's why they don't buy American products), Germany has been in a recession, unemployment is over 10% in France..We've become a country of pessimists and the media just fuels that belief. At 04:28 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich -Original Message- From: Matthew Post Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home
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Alex, I live in a small community called Millville. It is home to Woodford Reserve distillery as well as the world horseshoe championship each year. It is located in Woodford Co. between Versailles and Frankfort. I am familiar with the shoot, however I don't own any machine guns. I would love to attend if I knew when and had some rough directions. Thanks, Brian From: "Alex LaRue" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Chevelle Mailing List To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:51:13 -0500 Brian, what part of KY are you in? I am in Hodgenville. Maybe Clint could bring that 50 up to the Knob Creek Shoot in Bullitt County next year. You definitely need to make Chevell A Bration. It is like a big family reunion car show. Best bunch of people you will ever meet. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance Personal & Business Insurance Collector Car Insurance Life Insurance P O Box 119 Hodgenville, KY 42748 800-303-3518 Fax 270-358-8978 Visit us online at www.LaRueInsurance.net Join President Bush and a host of others here in Hodgenville on February 12th, 2008 to kickoff the two year Lincoln Bicentennial Celebration!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Knight Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:35 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT Or at least a trunk monkey >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List >To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT >Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:26:49 EST > >I had a lady side swipe my Chevelle while stationed at Campbell. Was >wishing >I had a gun that day _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
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Brian, what part of KY are you in? I am in Hodgenville. Maybe Clint could bring that 50 up to the Knob Creek Shoot in Bullitt County next year. You definitely need to make Chevell A Bration. It is like a big family reunion car show. Best bunch of people you will ever meet. Alex LaRue LaRue Insurance Personal & Business Insurance Collector Car Insurance Life Insurance P O Box 119 Hodgenville, KY 42748 800-303-3518 Fax 270-358-8978 Visit us online at www.LaRueInsurance.net Join President Bush and a host of others here in Hodgenville on February 12th, 2008 to kickoff the two year Lincoln Bicentennial Celebration!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Knight Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:35 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT Or at least a trunk monkey >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List >To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net >Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hey Clint! OFF SUBJECT >Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:26:49 EST > >I had a lady side swipe my Chevelle while stationed at Campbell. Was >wishing >I had a gun that day _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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Thanks for the advice. No additive for the engine. I didn't take it too the dealer YET. But probably will eventually. Larry Williams 65 SS 427 mike f wrote: What does the Acura Dealer say? --- Larry Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I had a 2001 Acura GSR rebuilt recently at a small shop. The engine has a persistent oil leak. Somewhere in the head area - either the cam seals or head gasket. The seals have been replaced 2X, oil pressure sender replaced, and the head gasket re-torqued, and it still leaks one or two drops on the driveway daily, and deposits oil all over the lower engine. The shop owner is out of ideas and wants to put an oil additive in that stops oil leaks - probably will swell the seals. Would you guys try this? Larry Williams __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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to bitch on the other foot, the american auto companies are sending the work and product overseas because it is cheaper for labor and product.So the cost is cheaper but we don't see the cost of cars going down. just the profit going up. so who is screwing who?they are closing plants and technology down here, so who is going to cars in the u.s. without a job or money and we can only export so much. but with todays economy you have to think about better bang for the buck, which would be foreign vehicles.but for me as a auto worker RACE CHEVYS and TOW THEM WITH FORDS. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig EllisSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:41 AMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? By the way, I just wrote a note to the LIST about profits and whatnot - I inadvertently wrote that note in a "reply" to a posted note by Clint Hooper but it was NOT intended to go to Clint. I just didn't think to create a new message for my little rant. So, I hope no one thought I was cranked up a Clint. Just for the record, I wouldn't buy a Japanese car unless you had a gun pointed at me and I was pretty sure you'd pull the trigger. These days I am a recruiter in the automotive industry and recruit plant operations, engineering, and management people all over the country and mostly for domestic OEM suppliers. I know a lot about the business and Clint is exactly right: Unfair trade with China and other countries is killing us. What is even more apalling is that we are not only hiring the Chinese to make the parts, we are giving them the technology and education to do it. It is madness. In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not clothes, not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can send. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich-Original Message- From: Matt
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amen Craig! And i think that should go for India also. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig EllisSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:41 AMTo: The Chevelle Mailing ListSubject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? By the way, I just wrote a note to the LIST about profits and whatnot - I inadvertently wrote that note in a "reply" to a posted note by Clint Hooper but it was NOT intended to go to Clint. I just didn't think to create a new message for my little rant. So, I hope no one thought I was cranked up a Clint. Just for the record, I wouldn't buy a Japanese car unless you had a gun pointed at me and I was pretty sure you'd pull the trigger. These days I am a recruiter in the automotive industry and recruit plant operations, engineering, and management people all over the country and mostly for domestic OEM suppliers. I know a lot about the business and Clint is exactly right: Unfair trade with China and other countries is killing us. What is even more apalling is that we are not only hiring the Chinese to make the parts, we are giving them the technology and education to do it. It is madness. In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not clothes, not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can send. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid th
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By the way, I just wrote a note to the LIST about profits and whatnot - I inadvertently wrote that note in a "reply" to a posted note by Clint Hooper but it was NOT intended to go to Clint. I just didn't think to create a new message for my little rant. So, I hope no one thought I was cranked up a Clint. Just for the record, I wouldn't buy a Japanese car unless you had a gun pointed at me and I was pretty sure you'd pull the trigger. These days I am a recruiter in the automotive industry and recruit plant operations, engineering, and management people all over the country and mostly for domestic OEM suppliers. I know a lot about the business and Clint is exactly right: Unfair trade with China and other countries is killing us. What is even more apalling is that we are not only hiring the Chinese to make the parts, we are giving them the technology and education to do it. It is madness. In my opinion, buy NOTHING made in China...not clothes, not toys, not car parts, nothing. It is the only message you can send. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe.I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to w
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ok, i guess its time for me to toss in my 2 cents.I'm an american. i could care less where your (or my ) ancestors came from .i drive what i can afford and what i like. i buy american. if i buy a foreign vehicle its used, i know where my money goes (to an american). and since tomorrow is Thanksgiving in the United States i just thought i'd mention how thankful i am that i can buy what i want , from whoever i want, and can bitch about whatever i want when i want. and i know each and every one of you are thankful you have the right to hear me bitch on any subject i please. the bitching stops when i'm 6 foot under. thanks for your tollerance, feel FREE to bitch. Bill Bradley Edmond Oklahoma Marine combat vet Chevelle owner spoiled American and proud of it - Original Message - From: Larry Shouse To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Now maybe we're getting somewhere... Maybe not buying Japanese is a bit more personal for you than unfair trade practices. Sorry to hear about your grandfather James. Having said that, I will also tell you that I am half Japanese, was born an American, I served my country, and I fly Old Glory WITH PRIDE every day. Even though I am half Japanese, it's something I usually don't even think about, unless I run across someone wanting to blame me for something done by someone else generations ago. This being America, you're certainly within your right to think and spend your money as you see fit. As for me, I buy things because it meets my needs or fancy, not necessarily where it's made. All else being equal - or close, I will try to buy American. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely out of American hands. Long term, this COULD prove to be a significant problem for our grandchildren. We can't be sure, but I do seem to recall that the brutality of every country we now buy from during past wars. Our "prisoner abuses" are nothing compared to what was done to our soldiers who were captured were subjected to in World War II and since. And... Now that our funds are gradually funneling into the middle east for gas and oil we know what their attitude toward personal liberties are. All that money goes toward buying Ame! rica ... good for us today. For our children? for our grandchildren? I am a bit obstinate, but I carefully look at what I'm buying and try to stay as American as possible. From Cars to Wal Mart, I must admit it is getting harder and harder. Marlon.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with all of you; but you're missing the big picture. James is right. The Japanese do not open their trading borders, not just for Autos but all products, with the same open arms that we do. Bottom line; follow the money. Where do those profit dollars really go after the cars are built in America? BTW, GM is closing 9[i think] plants and laying off some 30,000 employees. Rich-Original Message- From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Nov 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List , The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are
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Just to get things clarified here. One, "profits" go to the OWNERS, be they Japanese, Russian, American, or whatever. That is the way is should be, unless you believe that companies should not make profits or that profits should go to the government. Two, auto manufacturers source components with three things in mind: Price, quality, location, in that order. If you will build a transmission in Ohio for the same price and at the same quality of one built in British Columbia, chances are pretty good that the plant in Ohio will supply the OEM assembly plant in Ohio. There is nothing nefarious going on in the car business any more than there is in the oil business or the lumber business or the pharmaceutical business. Do the people in power at those companies look out for themselves? You bet they do. But remember that ALL people in ALL companies in ALL countries and in ALL industries do exactly the same thing - it is human nature. I was (and still am) a CPA and audited internal controls for years at companies like GM and Mayo Clinic. I know whereof I speak. Business managers have a responsibility to the owners of the company to make money for them. They have a responsibility to do everything in their power to accomplish that goal short of breaking the law. It's their job. - Original Message - From: Clint Hooper To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Are the US-made Toyotas made in the USA or assembled in the USA? Are their engines and transmissions made here? I know their electronics are not made here. Neither are their rolling stock and suspension components. If the companies are Japanese-owned,most of their profits don't stay in America. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Matthew Post That's very interesting. So, it makes me wonder if that makes it an American car? Guess it depends on how you look at it. Either by where and by who it's made or who ultimately owns the company.At 03:32 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: I am one of those silent people learning from eveyone else. First, I am the proud owner of a '65 Chevelle SS. Secondly, I work for a Japanese transplant parts suppliers in Missouri. I can't say for all parts but I do know most of the parts on American made Toyota's are made in the USA. From: Matthew Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: The Chevelle Mailing List ,"The Chevelle Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:12:18 -0800 Are there any vehicles that are ENTIRELY American built anymore? And by that I mean without Canadian or Mexican parts/assembly etc.? I doubt it. Larry makes a good point, but I believe those Japanese cars assembled here are made with mostly Japanese parts. They are assembled here to avoid the customs duties associated with finished goods, but GM and Ford do the same thing in Europe. I guess my point is that the lines are very blurred. People can say "Buy American" and I'm all for it, but you have to wonder how much of the product is really American. Besides, the Japanese automaker pays taxes to Uncle Sam for selling their cars here, same as GM or Ford. Matt At 12:32 PM 11/22/2005, Larry Shouse wrote: I'm not ashamed of owning a Japanese vehicle. As far as I'm concerned it's our right as an American to buy what we feel to be the best fit and value for our given situation. Besides, many "Japanese" cars and trucks are assembled here in the United States, while many of our American vehicles are assembled in other countries. Same goes for parts. You want to buy strictly American? That's your right and I will defend your right to do so, but good luck accomplishing your goal. Larry Shouse - Original Message - From: James Strunk To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I have an idea,,no a suggestion,get rid of that japanese car,,anybody should be ashamed to own japanese cars,they restict owr big three automakers to a specific # of cars that can be sold in japan,, FAIR TRADE ??? I've said before,,If you see me in a japanese car or truck,,call the law,,I've been kidnapped !
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Clint, I don’t care what party you voted for….ask yourself, by the time they take all the contributions from all the special interests, where does that leave John Q Public….in the hole!! Notice that many companies go either way to cover their bets! Enough pissing and moaning….I ordered the GW setup. I know there is better, but they gave me a $600 discount..I have checked into the ATX spindles, but they are not ready for sale, and..I would have to upgrade my mags. Too much for one time! I’m not quite as rich as you are Clint..GRIN. The ATX spindles will run close to $800 a piece, plus I would still need to upgrade the A arms! Oh well…I can cry later. I also found out I need to upgrade to a 12:1 steering box. Any suggestions on who to get it from or get my old one reworked. Plus some mods on my rear axle for the upgraded Wilwood rear brakes. You were correct, about their being some sharp folks on Lateral G. Thanks for the recommendation. Dan From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I agree 100%,Dan. The chips are lining up and I'm very concerned we're going to see them domino,,soon. Our government,both GOP and DNC,is not learning from the past. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck I work in the ag sector and with all the smaller farms we have…I’m seeing them go south for the winter. With recent fuel prices being so high even with the recent drop, fertilizer is astronomical, and the price they receive is so low. It’s impossible to pencil a cash flow. Only if you’re a huge corporate farm can you maybe make it! My son served two terms in Iraq. Thank God he’s alive and well! We’ll be paying the cost for years. I some time wonder if the Iraqi’s really appreciate the sacrifice? Add fuel, Katrina, and all the other negative things going on, I feel like we are getting ready to hit a brick wall on the economy! I pray I’m wrong!! From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:55 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? Germany's reunification with Combloc East Germany is the main reason for their struggles,at the moment. It's certainly not us kicking their butts. As for France,who the heck cares? I'm an optimist but the US economy isn't doing that well,Matt. Most of the economic indicators are trending downward. However,disasters like Katrina sure haven't done us any favors. Even though I support what we're doing in Iraq and Afghanistan,the cost is hurting us,bigtime. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Matthew Post What people fail to see and what the media fails to report is how well our economy is actually doing. Europe and Asia cannot keep up. With the exception of China, who has to revert to unfair trade practices to succeed, we are doing better than anywhere else. Japan has been in a decade long depression (wonder it that's why they don't buy American products), Germany has been in a recession, unemployment is over 10% in France..We've become a country of pessimists and the media just fuels that belief. At 04:28 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: You guys can buy foreign cars all you want. It's your right to do so. I own two GM vehicles and one Harley Davidson. However,unfair trade with the Chinese is what's killing our economy. Just look at ChinaMart's success. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: James Strunk my bottom line,,,when ANYONE owns a japanese product,even if it's your rightyou ARE supporting a country that attacked and brutally killed american solders, such as my grandfather,,, that refuses to allow our products to be sold in their country,,,that's right,,exercise your right,,buy from a race that will not buy from US - Original Message - From: Marlon Hanson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Anyone home? I think the big picture is that too many of us our looking at our own short term benefit, just as GM and Ford did in the 80s when they let the Japanese take over the auto market. They went for short term quarter to quarter gains profits so everyone in upper management could earn fat bonuses and and stock would go up. Now we have in essense been "taken over" and more ownership of what used to be OUR country is gradually slipping completely ou
