Re: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers matching
Shouldn't the entire tag number on the firewall match the tag on the A pillar inside of the door on a Chevelle? Thanks for your time Jerry
Re: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers matching
No, none of should. The tag on the firewall is the Fisher Body number plate (aka trim tag, cowl tag, etc.) while the VIN plate on the A-pillar is the Chevrolet identification from GM. Body numbers are generally sequential by particular STYLE shown on the trim tag while the VIN plate is sequential per plant in production order regardless of series or body style. Another misconception is the Style number on the trim tag indicates a V8 or L6 engine -- it does not. The first 5 numbers of the VIN do indicate if it was born with a V8 or L6 and the body style (sport coupe, conv., pickup, wagon, etc.) but the Style number on the trim tag is a different animal. Dale -Original Message- From: chevelle-list-boun...@chevelles.net [mailto:chevelle-list- boun...@chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Rowan, Jerry Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:43 PM To: granitecityperforma...@charter.net; The Chevelle Mailing List; The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers matching Shouldn't the entire tag number on the firewall match the tag on the A pillar inside of the door on a Chevelle? Thanks for your time Jerry
[Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they?
I had heard that the VIN numbers on the body are stamped on a few places. If the plate with stuff that's supposed to show build information VIN etc. is missing from the dash, where else can I look? I can get access to underneath. This is for a 65. Thanks, Chuck
Re: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they?
The hidden CON VINs don't tell much at all. They are in the format of (depending on year) year, plant, sequence number - they do NOT include the series or model. For example a 65 CON VIN might read 5A123456. The 65 VIN plate is on the A-pillar on the driver's side, not on the dash. The dash mounting didn't start until 1968 so they could be viewed through the windshield from the outside. Are you sure you're not talking about the Fisher Body plate (a.k.a. trim tag or cowl tag) that's mounted on the engine side of the firewall? That'll tell you body date, plant, body number, trim and paint codes and for some plants, a few options. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kranz Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:07 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they? I had heard that the VIN numbers on the body are stamped on a few places. If the plate with stuff that's supposed to show build information VIN etc. is missing from the dash, where else can I look? I can get access to underneath. This is for a 65. Thanks, Chuck _ avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000742-0, 05/21/2007 Tested on: 5/20/2007 8:22:40 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
Re: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they?
I think the sequence number would tell me enough information to try and get a title or whatever for it. The Fisher Body plate on the firewall isn't there. Anyone ever try and do this? Where are the hidden CON VINs? I would like to use this body if it comes up clear. Could I use the Body Plate from the original rusted body? Does the DMV help you out with a transfer? Chuck The hidden CON VINs don't tell much at all. They are in the format of (depending on year) year, plant, sequence number - they do NOT include the series or model. For example a 65 CON VIN might read 5A123456. The 65 VIN plate is on the A-pillar on the driver's side, not on the dash. The dash mounting didn't start until 1968 so they could be viewed through the windshield from the outside. Are you sure you're not talking about the Fisher Body plate (a.k.a. trim tag or cowl tag) that's mounted on the engine side of the firewall? That'll tell you body date, plant, body number, trim and paint codes and for some plants, a few options. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kranz Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:07 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they? I had heard that the VIN numbers on the body are stamped on a few places. If the plate with stuff that's supposed to show build information VIN etc. is missing from the dash, where else can I look? I can get access to underneath. This is for a 65. Thanks, Chuck
Re: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they?
Every state is different. Fisher Body plates are not recognized as a legal means of identifying or registering a vehicle. I don't know of any locations on a 65 body with a CON VIN but there should be one on the frame behind the rear axle location on the driver's side top. If you're putting together one car from two or more, your state will probably want to issue you a state VIN. Again, check with your DMV for regulations in your state. Dale McIntosh 1966/67 Chevelle Reference CDs ChevelleStuff.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kranz Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:49 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they? I think the sequence number would tell me enough information to try and get a title or whatever for it. The Fisher Body plate on the firewall isn't there. Anyone ever try and do this? Where are the hidden CON VINs? I would like to use this body if it comes up clear. Could I use the Body Plate from the original rusted body? Does the DMV help you out with a transfer? Chuck The hidden CON VINs don't tell much at all. They are in the format of (depending on year) year, plant, sequence number - they do NOT include the series or model. For example a 65 CON VIN might read 5A123456. The 65 VIN plate is on the A-pillar on the driver's side, not on the dash. The dash mounting didn't start until 1968 so they could be viewed through the windshield from the outside. Are you sure you're not talking about the Fisher Body plate (a.k.a. trim tag or cowl tag) that's mounted on the engine side of the firewall? That'll tell you body date, plant, body number, trim and paint codes and for some plants, a few options. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kranz Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:07 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they? I had heard that the VIN numbers on the body are stamped on a few places. If the plate with stuff that's supposed to show build information VIN etc. is missing from the dash, where else can I look? I can get access to underneath. This is for a 65. Thanks, Chuck _ avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000742-0, 05/21/2007 Tested on: 5/20/2007 9:13:33 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software.
Re: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they?
Thanks for all of the good advice. I'll be checking. Chuck Every state is different. Fisher Body plates are not recognized as a legal means of identifying or registering a vehicle. I don't know of any locations on a 65 body with a CON VIN but there should be one on the frame behind the rear axle location on the driver's side top. If you're putting together one car from two or more, your state will probably want to issue you a state VIN. Again, check with your DMV for regulations in your state. Dale McIntosh 1966/67 Chevelle Reference CDs ChevelleStuff.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kranz Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 8:49 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they? I think the sequence number would tell me enough information to try and get a title or whatever for it. The Fisher Body plate on the firewall isn't there. Anyone ever try and do this? Where are the hidden CON VINs? I would like to use this body if it comes up clear. Could I use the Body Plate from the original rusted body? Does the DMV help you out with a transfer? Chuck The hidden CON VINs don't tell much at all. They are in the format of (depending on year) year, plant, sequence number - they do NOT include the series or model. For example a 65 CON VIN might read 5A123456. The 65 VIN plate is on the A-pillar on the driver's side, not on the dash. The dash mounting didn't start until 1968 so they could be viewed through the windshield from the outside. Are you sure you're not talking about the Fisher Body plate (a.k.a. trim tag or cowl tag) that's mounted on the engine side of the firewall? That'll tell you body date, plant, body number, trim and paint codes and for some plants, a few options. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Kranz Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:07 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] VIN numbers where are they? I had heard that the VIN numbers on the body are stamped on a few places. If the plate with stuff that's supposed to show build information VIN etc. is missing from the dash, where else can I look? I can get access to underneath. This is for a 65. Thanks, Chuck
[Chevelle-list] vin #numbers
Does anyone know where I might find a sight to figure out what the vin numbers mean on a 1970 SS chevelle. I want to make sure it's a true SS and not a clone. I'm kinda new at this so any help would be greatly apprecheated. Thanks.Dennis
Re: [Chevelle-list] vin #numbers
on 8/27/04 8:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know where I might find a sight to figure out what the vin numbers mean on a 1970 SS chevelle. I want to make sure it's a true SS and not a clone. I'm kinda new at this so any help would be greatly apprecheated. Thanks.Dennis Dennis, Take a look here: http://www.chevellestuff.com/index.htm Mark
Re: [Chevelle-list] vin #numbers
Actually, this is true only for 69 to 72 (with one exception). On 64-68 Chevelles, the VIN would indicate a SS or not since the SS was a separate model in those years. The one exception is the 72 Chevelle/Elky with a 454 engine code (W) in the VIN. The 454 could ONLY be had with the SS option. Other engines (350-2, 350-4, 402-4) could be had with the SS option but nothing would indicate it. They could also be ordered without the SS option. The VIN plate will tell you 4 things and 4 things only. 1. Model (e.g., Malibu hardtop, 300 sedan, wagon, elky, etc). 2. The model year of the car. 3. The final assembly plant. 4. The sequential production number of Chevelles at that particular plant. 5. In 1972, the VIN would also indicate the engine size installed. The Body Plate (trim tag or firewall tag) will tell you the approx assembly timeframe, interior trim level, interior color/fabric, lower and upper paint colors, and for 64-67 (some plants) options, and a couple more minor items. You might check the machined pad in front of the passenger side head. It should have the engine suffix code and assembly date, plus it should have a portion of the VIN such as 0A123456 where 123456 would match the VIN on the car. This match would mean an original-to-the-car engine and if it's a big block then the car would be a SS for 1970 since the big blocks in 69 and 70 meant the SS option was ordered. Dale -- Original Message -- From: suprsprt72 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:22:29 -0400 hey good morning there is no way to tell an ss from a regular chevelle by the vin# you must have a build sheet for that answer or maybe it's on the title but if it's a canadian built chevelle you can get a copy for like 34 bucks send out the vin we can tell ya what certain things are abouit the car, like where made the color stuff like that - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] vin #numbers Does anyone know where I might find a sight to figure out what the vin numbers mean on a 1970 SS chevelle. I want to make sure it's a true SS and not a clone. I'm kinda new at this so any help would be greatly apprecheated. Thanks.Dennis
Re: [Chevelle-list] vin #numbers
Hi Dale are you saying that theres no letter in the vin that states the engine displacement on a 72 vin tag? not sure if i read this right thanks Ken - Original Message - From: Dale McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] vin #numbers Actually, this is true only for 69 to 72 (with one exception). On 64-68 Chevelles, the VIN would indicate a SS or not since the SS was a separate model in those years. The one exception is the 72 Chevelle/Elky with a 454 engine code (W) in the VIN. The 454 could ONLY be had with the SS option. Other engines (350-2, 350-4, 402-4) could be had with the SS option but nothing would indicate it. They could also be ordered without the SS option. The VIN plate will tell you 4 things and 4 things only. 1. Model (e.g., Malibu hardtop, 300 sedan, wagon, elky, etc). 2. The model year of the car. 3. The final assembly plant. 4. The sequential production number of Chevelles at that particular plant. 5. In 1972, the VIN would also indicate the engine size installed. The Body Plate (trim tag or firewall tag) will tell you the approx assembly timeframe, interior trim level, interior color/fabric, lower and upper paint colors, and for 64-67 (some plants) options, and a couple more minor items. You might check the machined pad in front of the passenger side head. It should have the engine suffix code and assembly date, plus it should have a portion of the VIN such as 0A123456 where 123456 would match the VIN on the car. This match would mean an original-to-the-car engine and if it's a big block then the car would be a SS for 1970 since the big blocks in 69 and 70 meant the SS option was ordered. Dale -- Original Message -- From: suprsprt72 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:22:29 -0400 hey good morning there is no way to tell an ss from a regular chevelle by the vin# you must have a build sheet for that answer or maybe it's on the title but if it's a canadian built chevelle you can get a copy for like 34 bucks send out the vin we can tell ya what certain things are abouit the car, like where made the color stuff like that - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] vin #numbers Does anyone know where I might find a sight to figure out what the vin numbers mean on a 1970 SS chevelle. I want to make sure it's a true SS and not a clone. I'm kinda new at this so any help would be greatly apprecheated. Thanks.Dennis
Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers
Dan, Can you send me the eBay link for your Chevelle? A friend of my wife is looking for an old car for her kid... cYa- Herb Lumpp 1966 El Camino ACES 3509, MCC 528 http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/ - Original Message - From: Dan McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers No, I have a buddy at work who swears there has to be some way to tell. This has almost come to fisticuffs at times!! I would hate to think I've been saying that there's no way to tell, and then have him find that there is a way. I know in later years the is a call letter in the VIN that designates the CID, but nothing for the earlier cars. Thanks for the info. Take it easy. Oh ya, last day for my 65 on Ebay. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS 65 Malibu - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers Dan, IIRC the engine code started appearing in the VIN sometime in the early '70s. VINs from earlier years simply indicated the number of cylinders unless the VIN indicated a specific model for which only 1 engine was available, in which case you'd know the engine by default. Are you wondering about your Impala? Brad O. Does anyone on this list know how to tell exactly what motor came in a GM car? Other than having the build sheet, is there anything in the vin that would help. All I've ever seen from the Vin tag is the number of cylinders. I've read discussion threads saying that most all of the body tags say V8. Mopars and Fords seem to have this info displayed prominently. Is The General keeping this info secret for some reason. Thank you. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS 65 Malibu - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers
I think the bidding is over Herb. I do believe it was last night. last time I looked it was at 3750. Larry (z)
Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers
Herb, Sorry, auction ended Thursday. It sold to a guy up here in Ashtabula, Ohio. Here's the link though if you still wanted to see it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1871437665rd= 1 Take it easy. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS 65 Malibu - Original Message - From: Herbert Lumpp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers Dan, Can you send me the eBay link for your Chevelle? A friend of my wife is looking for an old car for her kid... cYa- Herb Lumpp 1966 El Camino ACES 3509, MCC 528 http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/ - Original Message - From: Dan McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers No, I have a buddy at work who swears there has to be some way to tell. This has almost come to fisticuffs at times!! I would hate to think I've been saying that there's no way to tell, and then have him find that there is a way. I know in later years the is a call letter in the VIN that designates the CID, but nothing for the earlier cars. Thanks for the info. Take it easy. Oh ya, last day for my 65 on Ebay. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS 65 Malibu - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers Dan, IIRC the engine code started appearing in the VIN sometime in the early '70s. VINs from earlier years simply indicated the number of cylinders unless the VIN indicated a specific model for which only 1 engine was available, in which case you'd know the engine by default. Are you wondering about your Impala? Brad O. Does anyone on this list know how to tell exactly what motor came in a GM car? Other than having the build sheet, is there anything in the vin that would help. All I've ever seen from the Vin tag is the number of cylinders. I've read discussion threads saying that most all of the body tags say V8. Mopars and Fords seem to have this info displayed prominently. Is The General keeping this info secret for some reason. Thank you. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS 65 Malibu - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers
Dan, IIRC the engine code started appearing in the VIN sometime in the early '70s. VINs from earlier years simply indicated the number of cylinders unless the VIN indicated a specific model for which only 1 engine was available, in which case you'd know the engine by default. Are you wondering about your Impala? Brad O. Does anyone on this list know how to tell exactly what motor came in a GM car? Other than having the build sheet, is there anything in the vin that would help. All I've ever seen from the Vin tag is the number of cylinders. I've read discussion threads saying that most all of the body tags say V8. Mopars and Fords seem to have this info displayed prominently. Is The General keeping this info secret for some reason. Thank you. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS 65 Malibu - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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No, I have a buddy at work who swears there has to be some way to tell. This has almost come to fisticuffs at times!! I would hate to think I've been saying that there's no way to tell, and then have him find that there is a way. I know in later years the is a call letter in the VIN that designates the CID, but nothing for the earlier cars. Thanks for the info. Take it easy. Oh ya, last day for my 65 on Ebay. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS 65 Malibu - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers Dan, IIRC the engine code started appearing in the VIN sometime in the early '70s. VINs from earlier years simply indicated the number of cylinders unless the VIN indicated a specific model for which only 1 engine was available, in which case you'd know the engine by default. Are you wondering about your Impala? Brad O. Does anyone on this list know how to tell exactly what motor came in a GM car? Other than having the build sheet, is there anything in the vin that would help. All I've ever seen from the Vin tag is the number of cylinders. I've read discussion threads saying that most all of the body tags say V8. Mopars and Fords seem to have this info displayed prominently. Is The General keeping this info secret for some reason. Thank you. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS 65 Malibu - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers
Title: RE: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers The 72 Chevelle was the first to have the engine size in the VIN; the 5th digit of the VIN was the key. I don't know about other makes/models, but for Chevelle's there is no way to tell what size engine came the car with one exception - that being the 66-68 SS models (138x7 VIN) designating a SS396. The horsepower rating was still a guess, but it HAD to have come from the factory with a 396. All other years (and 66-68 NON SS models) could only be decoded as a 6-cyl car or a V-8 car - no more/no less. Example, my 67 Elky came with a V-8 according to the VIN (13680) but which V8 (283 or 327) is impossible to tell from the VIN itself. The Protect-O-Plate tells me it came with a 275hp 327 and the engine numbers on the front pad match a 67 327 engine with a correct build date for the car. So, go punch him in the nose :*) FWIW, there are people on the list who swear that a partial VIN was stamped on the front pad as early as 1966 but I think it may have been factory specific. My 67 has a 69 396 engine in it and it does NOT have the VIN stamped on the front pad. My 67 327 Elky (built in Fremont) does not have the VIN stamped on the front pad either. Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dan McIntosh Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers No, I have a buddy at work who swears there has to be some way to tell. This has almost come to fisticuffs at times!! I would hate to think I've been saying that there's no way to tell, and then have him find that there is a way. I know in later years the is a call letter in the VIN that designates the CID, but nothing for the earlier cars. Thanks for the info. Take it easy. Oh ya, last day for my 65 on Ebay. Dan McIntosh 64 Impala SS 65 Malibu - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers
[Chevelle-List] Vin Numbers
Howdy all, Does anyone on this list know how to tell exactly what motor came in a GM car? Other than having the build sheet, is there anything in the vin that would help. All I've ever seen from the Vin tag is the number of cylinders. I've read discussion threads saying that most all of the body tags say V8. Mopars and Fords seem to have this info displayed prominently. Is The General keeping this info secret for some reason. Thank you. Dan McIntosh64 Impala SS65 Malibu
