Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
At 08:33 AM 10/15/2004, Wayne wrote: One added note.. The Enjoyment factor one gets from working on cars.. This is a BIG one for me. I spend countless hours in the Shop/garage Working on or as my Wife says.. Playing with Cars... Wayne ACES # 1556 TC #186 = The smiles per mile factor is what the "car Hobby" is all about I agree But Wayne has also hit the proverbial nail on the head with his comments on hours spent in the garage...Pure relaxation Years ago after a hard day at work I got into the bad habit of stopping by the watering hole for a drink or two or three after work to unwind. The wife kind of put her foot down and I picked up an old Corvette and spent the next three years redoing (not restoring) it in the garage after work...an hour here an hour there etc... Well when it was finished I was not about to sell it so I bought another car and repeated the process... and still am repeating the process I have been retired since 1998 and "My" garage has become 2 garages...and both have been remodeled (enlarged) and now I work on and "play" with my 5 Corvettes and the Chevelle whenever the mood strikes me. All my cars are now complete and on the street..(none are 100 percent as usual) and I am looking for another project car (hopefully not my last) to fill the last available bay in the one garage. But looking back. Those hours I have spent in the garage sure beat sitting at a bar, or going bowling etc...and the trips I have taken with those cars allowed my wife and me to make tons of new friends from almost every walk of life I am now thinking of relocating to a State with LOW taxes, warm weather, cheap utilities etc and buying a small "A" frame home WITH AN ATTACHED 7 CAR GARAGE... Yep Smiles per mile and 1000's of hours of relaxation... worked for me... Bob Griffiths .
Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
Keep on playing Wayne. I've been told that the Lord does not subtract from our alotted time for hours spent working on Chevelles. Mike - Original Message - From: "Wayne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale > One added note.. The Enjoyment factor one gets from working on cars.. This > is a BIG one for me. I spend countless hours in the Shop/garage Working on > or as my Wife says.. Playing with Cars... > > Wayne > ACES # 1556 > TC #186 > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:07 AM > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale > > > > I agree. Well said Mike. > > > > Big difference between a rust bucket basket case and a solid body with all > good flooring, etc. When I speak to people at shows I explain to them that > these cars come in all price ranges and condition. Nice drivers can be > found at reasonable prices and with alittle investment and alot of elbow can > be turned into very nice cars. Whether its a frame-off or a maintained > survivor, take pride in your car and enjoy it. There is no way to calculate > the Smiles!! But if I had a dollar for all the comments I get at shows and > thumbs up on the road, I could buy that Z-16 I've always wanted!! > > > > Phil G. 65 SS MCC ACES TC VCCA LGC AMCA > > > > > > >
Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
One added note.. The Enjoyment factor one gets from working on cars.. This is a BIG one for me. I spend countless hours in the Shop/garage Working on or as my Wife says.. Playing with Cars... Wayne ACES # 1556 TC #186 - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale > I agree. Well said Mike. > > Big difference between a rust bucket basket case and a solid body with all good flooring, etc. When I speak to people at shows I explain to them that these cars come in all price ranges and condition. Nice drivers can be found at reasonable prices and with alittle investment and alot of elbow can be turned into very nice cars. Whether its a frame-off or a maintained survivor, take pride in your car and enjoy it. There is no way to calculate the Smiles!! But if I had a dollar for all the comments I get at shows and thumbs up on the road, I could buy that Z-16 I've always wanted!! > > Phil G. 65 SS MCC ACES TC VCCA LGC AMCA > >
Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
I agree. Well said Mike. Big difference between a rust bucket basket case and a solid body with all good flooring, etc. When I speak to people at shows I explain to them that these cars come in all price ranges and condition. Nice drivers can be found at reasonable prices and with alittle investment and alot of elbow can be turned into very nice cars. Whether its a frame-off or a maintained survivor, take pride in your car and enjoy it. There is no way to calculate the Smiles!! But if I had a dollar for all the comments I get at shows and thumbs up on the road, I could buy that Z-16 I've always wanted!! Phil G. 65 SS MCC ACES TC VCCA LGC AMCA
Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
a 69 chevelle ss that needs complete restoration, lets see ,figure 2000 for interior needs. another 3000 for engine work , and a good paint job will set you back a 3000k tranny there another 1200 rearend there another 500 spent, then you have chrome and trim chauk up another 1000 then you have a hole list of things that need to be replace springs shocks bushings just to name a few , drive shaft there a another 200, i dont think you can restore a chevelle with less then 10 k in parts alone, then the time 400 or 500 hours seems small more like 800 hours, and that if you know your way around the chevelle, (now its true i do everything twice it seems), and if you want to go back to bone stock you can add another 2k, to to the kitty. ten years ago i could restore a chevelle for 7k in parts but nowdays it so much more, and if you want to trim your car out with leather add another 1000 grand to the pot, before you know it your 5k over budget, then you have to cut your labor in half to make up the difference, a fair price for a 69 chevelle ss that needs the works is 1200 at best , i just turn down a ss car just like you describe and he wanted 900 for it,, my best advice for someone who wants to restore a chevelle , buy the poorest looking chevelle for a few hundred dollars, and build a clone. like one of you said in 69 the ss was a option ,unless you have a build sheet you cant prove its a true ss, if you start with a 5k car and you drop 10k in it, you have already exceeded the value of the finish car,, if you look at the chevelle's on ebay you see alot of nice cars but they dont sell over 18k unless there a post car or yenko cars, then the guy asking well over 40k,, if anyone would like to buy a post chevelle non ss but it has all the ss stuff you would like to see, i have one for sale and it will only cost you 20k this is a small price to pay for what your going to get, completely new 396 400 tranny 12 bolt posi ss hood , this car has the f40 or f41 suspension, boxed control arm with sway bar which by the way is factory parts, not aftermarkit, it has date coded ss rims, tilt , non a/c car disc brake new bumbers just about everything on this car is new or rebuilt orginal equipment, car has never been started yet i was trying to finish it all before turning the key, all i like is tires exhaust and sail panels, that about it , i was going to ask 25k for the car once finish, i have another 69 chevelle, that i cant wait to start on this car, this car is very special i figured the value will be 50k without the build sheet, this is a special paint car, but when im done it will be a copo clone, 427 4 speed car morocco orange, or rally green not sure yet about the color, thanks for reading my ramblings on jim
Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
Guys, I do restoration work as a profession. On average, a
complete restoration will require between four hundred and five hundred hours. I
can generally do a car in six months. Five thousand is cheap for a complete car
such as this one.(if it is complete except for trannie and the body is
solid) Unless you are planning on showing the car in AACA national events
the trans is no problem. People are way too hung up on "numbers matching". A
nicely done 69 SS 396 will bring over 20,000 even after you drive it for a few
years. Put more value on Smiles per Miles and less on the trans is not the one
that came in the car.
Just my opinion.
Mike Holleman
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From:
suprsprt72
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:50
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969
Chevelle SS for sale
I agree Bob and if you take those hundreds of
hours and put a price to it cause in my book time is money, lets see, 10
thou for resto, 5 thou for the car, lets go with a cheap rate of 28 $$ an
hour, times ah 110 hours, that equals 3080.00 total for the hours, when
all said an done 18,80.000, well seems alot for a 69SS unless it was the
300 model i guess and with the Yenko Option. Ken. better smoke
another one lol
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Bob G
To: The Chevelle Mailing List
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:16
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Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969
Chevelle SS for sale
At 03:43 PM 10/14/2004, you wrote:
Seems a
bit high in price for something that needs total restoring, and won't be a
non matching car, no tranny, am i not up with the latest prices in
cars? or chevelles? That need restoring? thanks, Ken,
72HeavyChevy Chevelle I agree ... BUT I
would like to know what exactly "needs
attention.: the term "needs" TOTAL restoration
means different things to different guys... to me it means at least $10,000
out of the wallet and 100's of hours in the garage Both my son and I
own 68 396's and honestly our definition of restoration means simply
to get it on the street with no mechanical issues ... and also looking
good... without fear of a pot hole knocking a bondo patch off
the car...Bob Griffiths 68
Chevelle SS 396 clone 64 &
72 Corvette
Convertibles 76 79
& 95 Corvette Coupes
Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
I am with Ken - that missing the trans will never make it a true #'s car. Also is there should be some documentation to prove that it is a true Super Sport since after '68 the SS was ordered as an option and was not included in the VIN. I am also with Bob that a total restoration means total - in my schooling, total means a frame off with everything needing rebuilding or replacing has been done with new sheet metal replacing all rust. Krister Meister Bloomingdale, IL '66 SS #'s At 03:43 PM 10/14/2004, you wrote: Seems a bit high in price for something that needs total restoring, and won't be a non matching car, no tranny, am i not up with the latest prices in cars? or chevelles? That need restoring? thanks, Ken, 72HeavyChevy Chevelle I agree ... BUT I would like to know what exactly "needs attention.: the term "needs" TOTAL restoration means different things to different guys... to me it means at least $10,000 out of the wallet and 100's of hours in the garage Both my son and I own 68 396's and honestly our definition of restoration means simply to get it on the street with no mechanical issues ... and also looking good... without fear of a pot hole knocking a bondo patch off the car... Bob Griffiths 68 Chevelle SS 396 clone 64 & 72 Corvette Convertibles 76 79 & 95 Corvette Coupes
Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
I agree Bob and if you take those hundreds of hours and put a price to it cause in my book time is money, lets see, 10 thou for resto, 5 thou for the car, lets go with a cheap rate of 28 $$ an hour, times ah 110 hours, that equals 3080.00 total for the hours, when all said an done 18,80.000, well seems alot for a 69SS unless it was the 300 model i guess and with the Yenko Option. Ken. better smoke another one lol - Original Message - From: Bob G To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale At 03:43 PM 10/14/2004, you wrote: Seems a bit high in price for something that needs total restoring, and won't be a non matching car, no tranny, am i not up with the latest prices in cars? or chevelles? That need restoring? thanks, Ken, 72HeavyChevy Chevelle I agree ... BUT I would like to know what exactly "needs attention.: the term "needs" TOTAL restoration means different things to different guys... to me it means at least $10,000 out of the wallet and 100's of hours in the garage Both my son and I own 68 396's and honestly our definition of restoration means simply to get it on the street with no mechanical issues ... and also looking good... without fear of a pot hole knocking a bondo patch off the car...Bob Griffiths 68 Chevelle SS 396 clone 64 & 72 Corvette Convertibles 76 79 & 95 Corvette Coupes
Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
At 03:43 PM 10/14/2004, you wrote: Seems a bit high in price for something that needs total restoring, and won't be a non matching car, no tranny, am i not up with the latest prices in cars? or chevelles? That need restoring? thanks, Ken, 72HeavyChevy Chevelle I agree ... BUT I would like to know what exactly "needs attention.: the term "needs" TOTAL restoration means different things to different guys... to me it means at least $10,000 out of the wallet and 100's of hours in the garage Both my son and I own 68 396's and honestly our definition of restoration means simply to get it on the street with no mechanical issues ... and also looking good... without fear of a pot hole knocking a bondo patch off the car... Bob Griffiths 68 Chevelle SS 396 clone 64 & 72 Corvette Convertibles 76 79 & 95 Corvette Coupes
Re: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
Seems a bit high in price for something that needs total restoring, and won't be a non matching car, no tranny, am i not up with the latest prices in cars? or chevelles? That need restoring? thanks, Ken, 72HeavyChevy Chevelle - Original Message - From: Craig & Cerena Robertson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale Anyone looking for a 1969 Chevelle SS to restore? A friend of my just found one. It does need total restored but he has the number matching 396 engine. It appears to be an original 4 speed, bucket seat car but the 4 speed is not there. The guy who had it was in a wheel chair and they were going to turn it into an automatic but never did. The 4 speed was already sold. The car is located in Western Maryland. I will make a list of what the car has this weekend. He is going to be asking around 5000. Craig 69SS
[Chevelle-list] 1969 Chevelle SS for sale
Anyone looking for a 1969 Chevelle SS to restore? A friend of my just found one. It does need total restored but he has the number matching 396 engine. It appears to be an original 4 speed, bucket seat car but the 4 speed is not there. The guy who had it was in a wheel chair and they were going to turn it into an automatic but never did. The 4 speed was already sold. The car is located in Western Maryland. I will make a list of what the car has this weekend. He is going to be asking around 5000. Craig 69SS
