Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
In a message dated 8/10/2003 2:24:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all. I have been MIA for a week; been a beach bum at Myrtle and loved every minute. Did you miss me? Yeah, me too! I'm confused! Is my 69 SS, a 13637 car not a true SS? I have the window sticker with with the 6Z25AA option, for $347.60, that tells me that it was SS equipped. Rich AS long as the VIN on the sticker matches the VIN on your car, then the answer is yes, it is an original SS car. Tom
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuffIn a message dated 8/11/2003 7:45:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:OK. That's good news for me! Then what's a 13837? Those were listed on the previous thread as a "Super Sport" That is used for 64-68 to ID a real SS as they were a separate model in those years.Tom Actually, the 13837 modelis for 65 Malibu SS and 68 SS396 hardtop. The 1966and 1967SS hardtop cars were 13817 - the only two years to use the "17" designation for the hardtop. Dale
Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message
yea, the 138 VIN number was only on the 1968 and
older chevelles. Hope I helped.
Chad
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Richard M.
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Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS
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OK.
That's good news for me!
Then
what's a 13837? Those were listed on the previous thread as a "Super
Sport"
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Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
After 1968, The VIN numberfor Chevelles
changed to all of them being malibus. The SS's and Malibus are both
136 in 1969 and above. But if you have a window sticker that states
you have the Z25 option, well then, you have a true SS 396 chevelle.
That's one of then things I love about the coke style chevelles (66 and 67),
all you have to do is look at the VIN which will tell you if its an SS or
malibu. But the good news is, u do have a true SS chevelle.
:-)
Chad
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From:
Richard
M. Pruett
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:28
PM
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS
stuff
Hi all.
I have been MIA for a week; been a beach bum at Myrtle and loved
every minute. Did you miss me? Yeah, me too!
I'm confused! Is my 69 SS, a 13637 carnot a true SS? I
have the window sticker with with the 6Z25AA option, for $347.60, that
tells me that it wasSS equipped.
Rich
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Fruhauf
Kerry A SSgt 3CS/SCBSSent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:01
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE:
[Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Well, it
finally worked, I hope itshows upproperly for
ya'll.
To my knowledge, this 5 digit code is the first
5 numbers of the VIN. The service manual also lists the 1969 model
numbers for '69 Chevrolet, '69 Nova, '69 Camaro, '69
Corvette. I highly recommend this manual for everyone. I
have used the heck out of
it.
I hope this helps ya'll out. Again, maybe
I'm reading this wrong, if so, please correct me. I'm trusting in
the Chevrolet Manual for now, but I'm still open minded to any other
inputs.
Scott, Sorry to say that according to Chevy's
manual, you car is the same as mine, a Malibu 2 Door Sport Coupe.
Again, don't take this as the FINAL answer. If the guys/gals in
here have further info, I'm sure they can add to this. As far as a
theory to why it was sold as an SS, I'm stumped.
SARGE
69SS/Clone
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
It does! Thanks -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:49 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuffIn a message dated 8/10/2003 2:24:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all. I have been MIA for a week; been a beach bum at Myrtle and loved every minute. Did you miss me? Yeah, me too! I'm confused! Is my 69 SS, a 13637 car not a true SS? I have the window sticker with with the 6Z25AA option, for $347.60, that tells me that it was SS equipped. RichAS long as the VIN on the sticker matches the VIN on your car, then the answer is yes, it is an original SS car.Tom
Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message After 1968, The VIN numberfor Chevelles changed to all of them being malibus. The SS's and Malibus are both 136 in 1969 and above. But if you have a window sticker that states you have the Z25 option, well then, you have a true SS 396 chevelle. That's one of then things I love about the coke style chevelles (66 and 67), all you have to do is look at the VIN which will tell you if its an SS or malibu. But the good news is, u do have a true SS chevelle. :-) Chad - Original Message - From: Richard M. Pruett To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff Hi all. I have been MIA for a week; been a beach bum at Myrtle and loved every minute. Did you miss me? Yeah, me too! I'm confused! Is my 69 SS, a 13637 carnot a true SS? I have the window sticker with with the 6Z25AA option, for $347.60, that tells me that it wasSS equipped. Rich -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Fruhauf Kerry A SSgt 3CS/SCBSSent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff Well, it finally worked, I hope itshows upproperly for ya'll. To my knowledge, this 5 digit code is the first 5 numbers of the VIN. The service manual also lists the 1969 model numbers for '69 Chevrolet, '69 Nova, '69 Camaro, '69 Corvette. I highly recommend this manual for everyone. I have used the heck out of it. I hope this helps ya'll out. Again, maybe I'm reading this wrong, if so, please correct me. I'm trusting in the Chevrolet Manual for now, but I'm still open minded to any other inputs. Scott, Sorry to say that according to Chevy's manual, you car is the same as mine, a Malibu 2 Door Sport Coupe. Again, don't take this as the FINAL answer. If the guys/gals in here have further info, I'm sure they can add to this. As far as a theory to why it was sold as an SS, I'm stumped. SARGE 69SS/Clone
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message Hi all. I have been MIA for a week; been a beach bum at Myrtle and loved every minute. Did you miss me? Yeah, me too! I'm confused! Is my 69 SS, a 13637 carnot a true SS? I have the window sticker with with the 6Z25AA option, for $347.60, that tells me that it wasSS equipped. Rich -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Fruhauf Kerry A SSgt 3CS/SCBSSent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff Well, it finally worked, I hope itshows upproperly for ya'll. To my knowledge, this 5 digit code is the first 5 numbers of the VIN. The service manual also lists the 1969 model numbers for '69 Chevrolet, '69 Nova, '69 Camaro, '69 Corvette. I highly recommend this manual for everyone. I have used the heck out of it. I hope this helps ya'll out. Again, maybe I'm reading this wrong, if so, please correct me. I'm trusting in the Chevrolet Manual for now, but I'm still open minded to any other inputs. Scott, Sorry to say that according to Chevy's manual, you car is the same as mine, a Malibu 2 Door Sport Coupe. Again, don't take this as the FINAL answer. If the guys/gals in here have further info, I'm sure they can add to this. As far as a theory to why it was sold as an SS, I'm stumped. SARGE 69SS/Clone
Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
In a message dated 8/11/03 8:26:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, the 13837 model is for 65 Malibu SS and 68 SS396 hardtop. The 1966 and 1967 SS hardtop cars were 13817 - the only two years to use the 17 designation for the hardtop. Dale Whoops, my bad, I was only looking at the first 3 digits, 138. Tom ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Thanks Tom. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 7:57 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuffIn a message dated 8/11/2003 7:45:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK. That's good news for me! Then what's a 13837? Those were listed on the previous thread as a "Super Sport"That is used for 64-68 to ID a real SS as they were a separate model in those years.Tom
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message
OK.
That's good news for me!
Then
what's a 13837? Those were listed on the previous thread as a "Super
Sport"
-Original Message-From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Chad
P.Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:30 PMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS
stuff
After 1968, The VIN numberfor Chevelles
changed to all of them being malibus. The SS's and Malibus are both 136
in 1969 and above. But if you have a window sticker that states you have
the Z25 option, well then, you have a true SS 396 chevelle. That's one
of then things I love about the coke style chevelles (66 and 67), all you have
to do is look at the VIN which will tell you if its an SS or malibu. But
the good news is, u do have a true SS chevelle. :-)
Chad
- Original Message -
From:
Richard M.
Pruett
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:28
PM
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS
stuff
Hi
all.
I
have been MIA for a week; been a beach bum at Myrtle and loved every minute.
Did you miss me? Yeah, me too!
I'm confused! Is my 69 SS, a 13637 carnot a true SS? I
have the window sticker with with the 6Z25AA option, for $347.60, that tells
me that it wasSS equipped.
Rich
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Fruhauf
Kerry A SSgt 3CS/SCBSSent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:01
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE:
[Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Well, it
finally worked, I hope itshows upproperly for
ya'll.
To my knowledge, this 5 digit code is the first 5
numbers of the VIN. The service manual also lists the 1969 model
numbers for '69 Chevrolet, '69 Nova, '69 Camaro, '69 Corvette.
I highly recommend this manual for everyone. I have used the heck
out of
it.
I hope this helps ya'll out. Again, maybe
I'm reading this wrong, if so, please correct me. I'm trusting in
the Chevrolet Manual for now, but I'm still open minded to any other
inputs.
Scott, Sorry to say that according to Chevy's
manual, you car is the same as mine, a Malibu 2 Door Sport Coupe.
Again, don't take this as the FINAL answer. If the guys/gals in here
have further info, I'm sure they can add to this. As far as a theory
to why it was sold as an SS, I'm stumped.
SARGE
69SS/Clone
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message
Almost, Grasshopper. The SS option was also available in
1969 on the 13427 300 Deluxe 2-dr sedan and 13437 300 Deluxe 2-dr hardtop.
Haven't seen it happen yet, but it probably will someday - someone might try
taking a 13835 trim tag (67 Concours wagon) or 13825/45 (68 Concours wagon) and
put them on a Malibu thinking someone may only be looking at the 138 portion of
the tag and hoping they don't check the VIN. BTW, 1969 also had 13836/46
Concours Estate wagons and the 13857 Monte Carlo in the 70's. I'm as
guilty as the next guy stating that "138" defines a SS car not thinking of the
wagon models or MCs.
Dale
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On Behalf Of Chad P.Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:30
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re:
[Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
After 1968, The VIN numberfor Chevelles
changed to all of them being malibus. The SS's and Malibus are both 136
in 1969 and above.
Chad
- Original Message -
From:
Richard M.
Pruett
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:28
PM
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS
stuff
Hi
all.
I
have been MIA for a week; been a beach bum at Myrtle and loved every minute.
Did you miss me? Yeah, me too!
I'm confused! Is my 69 SS, a 13637 carnot a true SS? I
have the window sticker with with the 6Z25AA option, for $347.60, that tells
me that it wasSS equipped.
Rich
-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Fruhauf
Kerry A SSgt 3CS/SCBSSent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:01
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE:
[Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Well, it
finally worked, I hope itshows upproperly for
ya'll.
To my knowledge, this 5 digit code is the first 5
numbers of the VIN. The service manual also lists the 1969 model
numbers for '69 Chevrolet, '69 Nova, '69 Camaro, '69 Corvette.
I highly recommend this manual for everyone. I have used the heck
out of
it.
I hope this helps ya'll out. Again, maybe
I'm reading this wrong, if so, please correct me. I'm trusting in
the Chevrolet Manual for now, but I'm still open minded to any other
inputs.
Scott, Sorry to say that according to Chevy's
manual, you car is the same as mine, a Malibu 2 Door Sport Coupe.
Again, don't take this as the FINAL answer. If the guys/gals in here
have further info, I'm sure they can add to this. As far as a theory
to why it was sold as an SS, I'm stumped.
SARGE
69SS/Clone
Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
In a message dated 8/11/2003 7:45:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK. That's good news for me! Then what's a 13837? Those were listed on the previous thread as a "Super Sport" That is used for 64-68 to ID a real SS as they were a separate model in those years. Tom
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message Well, I tried to send out the info from the manual. Apparently, it didn't make it through. I'm not sure if this will make it to the list either. I hope so. If anyone is interested in the VIN chart from the 1969 Chevrolet Chassis Service Manual, I typed it all in, and can send copies direct to you. According to the book, the ID for 1969 SS's is 13837. I'm ASSUMING this refers to the first 5 digits of the VIN. As such, this proves that mine is a Malibu (as is Scott's) with the first five digits 13637. Anyway, if anyone has info stating that this is not describing the first 5 VIN digits, please let me know. Maybe there is hope yet that mine is a true SS. (doubt it, though.) Here's a link to a site that sells the manual that I'm refering to. http://www.impalas.com/product_list.asp?dept=2777last=2769page=2 SARGE 69SS/Clone -Original Message-From: Dale McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:33 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff Since this thread has morphed a bit, I think a subject change is in order and toss in my proverbial $0.02 here. There were two colors that were exclusive to the '69 SS. "Monaco Orange" (code 72) and "Daytona Yellow" (code 76). If either of these paint codes appear on the cowl tag (and the cowl tag is genuine) then that would prove the car to be a genuine SS. True, very true. Watch for paint delete cars coded - - or some series of number instead of 72 or 76 that may sport SS equipment and be painted SS colors, for they shall be known as clones as well. I have a trim tag from a 70 with 926-99616 for the paint code. 926 is a Dupont non-metallic paint code and 99616 is the formula for "Road Commission Orange". As long as they did not alter or move the VIN plates or cowl tags, this would be perfectly legal, and since the VIN tag doesn't tell you much, there would be almost no way for you to know. True except for the trim tag. I'm not aware of any state that "requires" the trim tag to be authentic (since reproductions are available on the Internet) or even on the car. VIN, yes, don't mess with swapping VIN tags! Leave that to the chop-shops.g While the '69 COPO 427s had basically the same equipment as the SS-396s, they were not generally considered SSs because they did not have any external "SS" or "427" identification. They were the ultimate sleepers. Any genuine '69 COPO 427 Chevelle is quite valuable today. They weren't considered SS's because they weren't SS's. Correct about no 427 identification either. They did get the blacked out grille (with blue bowtie) and blacked out rear cove as well as the SS hood and sport stripe. Some good COPO info at http://members.core.com/~faldrich/copo.htm and Canadian COPO stuff at http://www.yenko.net/dealers/copos-canada.htm . Yes, the ultimate sleeper in 1969. :*) In addition, there was an "L89" aluminum head option available for the '69 375 HP 396. Few were ordered. There were reportedly 7 built in 1968 as well. Collector Bob Macy had one at the MCR show in Wichita, KS in 2000. http://www.midwestchevelles.com/past_shows/mw2000/p233.jpg Another rare car, produced only in '69, was an SS Chevelle built on the 2-door post sedan, the "Chevelle 300". This was the only year that a 2-door post sedan SS was produced. Most of the '69 SSs, and all the '70-'72 SSs, were built upon the 2-door Malibu pillarless coupe. Trivia: Careful with Chevelle 300 and Chevelle 300 Deluxe models monikers. 1964 had the Chevelle 300, 65 to 68 had both Chevelle 300 and Chevelle 300 Deluxe. In 1969 the Chevelle 300 Deluxe was the base Chevelle; the Chevelle 300 stopped production with 1968. The Chevelle 300 Deluxe 2-dr sedan/post (model 13427) and the Chevelle 300 Deluxe 2-dr coupe/hardtop (model 13437) were the only non-Malibu Chevelles/Elkys to get the SS option and those are worth a pretty penny today as well. :*) Enjoy, Dale
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message Model Identification - Chevelle (Chart on page 0-2 - General information) SERIES 6-Cyl. 8-Cyl. Description Nomad 13135 13235 4-Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat Nomad 13136 13236 4-Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat 300 Deluxe13369 13469 4-Door Sedan, 6-Pass. 300 Deluxe13327 13427 2-Door Pillar Coupe, 5-Pass. 300 Deluxe13337 13437 2-Door Sport Coupe, 5-Pass. 300 Deluxe13335 13435 4-Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat (Greenbrier) 300 Deluxe13336 13436 4-Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat (Greenbrier) 300 Deluxe13346 13446 4-Door Station Wagon, 3-Seat (Greenbrier) Malibu 13569 13669 4-Door Sedan, 6-Pass. Malibu 13539 13639 4-Door Sport Sedan, 6-Pass. Malibu13537 13637 2-Door Sport Coupe, 5-Pass.* Malibu13567 13667 2-Door Convertible, 5-Pass.* Malibu13536 13636 4 Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat (Concours) Malibu13546 13646 4 Door Station Wagon, 3-Seat (Concours) Super Sport -13837 2 Door Sport Coupe, 5-Pass.* Concours Estate Wagon - 13836 4-Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat Concours Estate Wagon - 13846 4-Door Station Wagon, 3-Seat El Camino 13380134802-Door Sedan Pickup, 3-Pass. Deluxe El Camino 13580136802-Door Sedan Pickup, 3-Pass. Malibu El Camino-138802 Door Sedan Pickup, 3-Pass. Super Sport *4-Passenger when optional bucket seats are ordered. SARGE 69SS/Clone-Original Message-From: Fruhauf Kerry A SSgt 3CS/SCBS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 10:50 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff Well, I tried to send out the info from the manual. Apparently, it didn't make it through. I'm not sure if this will make it to the list either. I hope so. If anyone is interested in the VIN chart from the 1969 Chevrolet Chassis Service Manual, I typed it all in, and can send copies direct to you. According to the book, the ID for 1969 SS's is 13837. I'm ASSUMING this refers to the first 5 digits of the VIN. As such, this proves that mine is a Malibu (as is Scott's) with the first five digits 13637. Anyway, if anyone has info stating that this is not describing the first 5 VIN digits, please let me know. Maybe there is hope yet that mine is a true SS. (doubt it, though.) Here's a link to a site that sells the manual that I'm refering to. http://www.impalas.com/product_list.asp?dept=2777last=2769page=2 SARGE 69SS/Clone -Original Message-From: Dale McIntosh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 4:33 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff Since this thread has morphed a bit, I think a subject change is in order and toss in my proverbial $0.02 here. There were two colors that were exclusive to the '69 SS. "Monaco Orange" (code 72) and "Daytona Yellow" (code 76). If either of these paint codes appear on the cowl tag (and the cowl tag is genuine) then that would prove the car to be a genuine SS. True, very true. Watch for paint delete cars coded - - or some series of number instead of 72 or 76 that may sport SS equipment and be painted SS colors, for they shall be known as clones as well. I have a trim tag from a 70 with 926-99616 for the paint code. 926 is a Dupont non-metallic paint code and 99616 is the formula for "Road Commission Orange". As long as they did not alter or move the VIN plates or cowl tags, this would be perfectly legal, and since the VIN tag doesn't tell you much, there would be almost no way for you to know. True except for the trim tag. I'm not aware of any state that "requires" the trim tag to be authentic (since reproductions are available on the Internet) or even on the car. VIN, yes, don't mess with swapping VIN tags! Leave that to the chop-shops.g While the '69 COPO 427s had basically the same equipment as the SS-396s, they were not generally considered SSs because they did not have any external "SS" or "427" identification. They were the ultimate sleepers. Any genuine '69 COPO 427 Chevelle is quite valuable today. They weren't considered SS's because they weren't SS's. Correct about no 427 identification either. They did get the blacked out grille (with blue bowtie) and blacked out rear cove as well as the SS hood and sport stripe. Some good COPO info at http://members.core.com/~faldrich/copo.htm and Canadian COPO stuff at http://www.yenko.net/dealers/copos-canada.htm . Yes, the ultimate sleeper in 1969. :*) In addition, there was an "L89" aluminum head option available for the '69 375 HP 396. Few were ordered. There were reportedly 7 built in 1968 as well. Collector Bob Macy had one at the MCR show in Wichita, KS in 2000. http://www.midwestchevel
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message Well, it finally worked, I hope itshows upproperly for ya'll. To my knowledge, this 5 digit code is the first 5 numbers of the VIN. The service manual also lists the 1969 model numbers for '69 Chevrolet, '69 Nova, '69 Camaro, '69 Corvette. I highly recommend this manual for everyone. I have used the heck out of it. I hope this helps ya'll out. Again, maybe I'm reading this wrong, if so, please correct me. I'm trusting in the Chevrolet Manual for now, but I'm still open minded to any other inputs. Scott, Sorry to say that according to Chevy's manual, you car is the same as mine, a Malibu 2 Door Sport Coupe. Again, don't take this as the FINAL answer. If the guys/gals in here have further info, I'm sure they can add to this. As far as a theory to why it was sold as an SS, I'm stumped. SARGE 69SS/Clone
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message Sarge, I have the same manual and I never noticed that before, but there it is! Yes, this 5-digit code is the first 5 numbers of the VIN. But it doesnt list a different number for a 69 SS convertible, wonder why? We all should keep in mind that Chevrolet probably didnt keep very good records back then. Don 69 Chevelle home.carolina.rr.com/donallen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Fruhauf Kerry A SSgt 3CS/SCBS Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff Well, it finally worked, I hope itshows upproperly for ya'll. To my knowledge, this 5 digit code is the first 5 numbers of the VIN. The service manual also lists the 1969 model numbers for '69 Chevrolet, '69 Nova, '69 Camaro, '69 Corvette. I highly recommend this manual for everyone. I have used the heck out of it. I hope this helps ya'll out. Again, maybe I'm reading this wrong, if so, please correct me. I'm trusting in the Chevrolet Manual for now, but I'm still open minded to any other inputs. Scott, Sorry to say that according to Chevy's manual, you car is the same as mine, a Malibu 2 Door Sport Coupe. Again, don't take this as the FINAL answer. If the guys/gals in here have further info, I'm sure they can add to this. As far as a theory to why it was sold as an SS, I'm stumped. SARGE 69SS/Clone
Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
After looking some more I found that same chart in CHEVROLET BY THE NUMBERS by Alan L.Colvin.It shows that number for 1968 Chevelles. In 1969 the number was 13637 for 2 door coupe with SS 396 being an option. 1969 and up could not be identified by the VIN. do you have a print date on that book? I'm wondering if it was printed before they changed the way they identified them? Larry (Z)
Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Hello sarge, my2 cents, 13837= 1=chevrolet, 38= malibu SS for 1965,(andSS-396 for 1966 to 1968) concours or concours estate,Montecarlo, (Elcamino SS 1968V8)looks like the 38 was no longer used for 69 model yrs and upward, the 13637 is 1 chevrolet, 36 =Malibu, customElcamino, concours or estate,V8 KenD HeavyChevy
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message Actually, what we should all keep in mind is that they didnt devise their record keeping system for the purpose of helping some guy 35 years later figure out things about his car. They kept records to the extent that they needed to run their business, no more no less. John Nasta Old Car Network http://oldcarnetwork.com -Original Message- We all should keep in mind that Chevrolet probably didnt keep very good records back then.
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Me thinks your book is incorrect there Sarge. There is no 13837 model for 1969; that's why there's no 13867 for a convertible. The only 138xx models in 1969 were the two Concours wagons. The 1966 and 1967 SS396 sport coupe (hardtop) had a unique, two-year only model of 13817, other 138 SS sport coupes were 13837. The 13880 for the SS El Camino is a fairy tale as well, 1968 was the ONLY year to use that model number. Just for grins, there are no 13446 model Greenbrier, 4-door wagon, 3-seat 6-cyls either; 13446 V8 yes, 13446 no. There are also no 13546 (6 cyl) Malibu Concours wagons either. Here are the models and production numbers for each in 1969. Check http://www.chevellestuff.com/generic/production_numbers.htm for other years from 64 to 72. 1969Six Cylinder Eight Cylinder Series/Model #ProductionSeries/Model #Production Nomad, 4-door wagon, 2-seat conventional tailgate 13135 3,806 13235 4,175 Nomad, 4-door wagon, 3-seat13136 1,725 13236 3,446 Chevelle 300 Deluxe, 2-door sedan 13327 8,238 13427 5,620 Chevelle 300 Deluxe, 4-door sedan 13369 9,399 13469 8,198 Chevelle 300 Deluxe, 2-door coupe 13337 3,321 13437 7,181 Greenbrier, 4-door wagon, 2-seat conventional tailgate 13335612 13435 2,769 Greenbrier, 4-door wagon, 2-seat 13336732 13436 4,324 Greenbrier, 4-door wagon, 3-seat 13446 0 13446 2,169 El Camino 13380 2,193 13480 6,407 Malibu, 2-door coupe 13537 14,724 13637 286,162 Malibu, 4-door sedan 13539 1,316 13639 16,956 Malibu, convertible13567484 13667 8,443 Malibu, 4-door sedan 13569 6,970 13669 32,063 Concours, 4-door wagon 13536546 13636 10,898 Custom El Camino 13580785 13680 39,000 Concours, 4-door wagon 13646 0 13646 3,063 Concours Estate, 4-door wagon 13836 0 13836 5,236 Concours Estate, 4-door wagon 13846 0 13846 2,391 Dale McIntosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fruhauf Kerry A SSgt 3CS/SCBS Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 12:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff Model Identification - Chevelle (Chart on page 0-2 - General information) SERIES6-Cyl.8-Cyl. Description Nomad 13135132354-Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat Nomad 13136132364-Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat 300 Deluxe 13369134694-Door Sedan, 6-Pass. 300 Deluxe 13327134272-Door Pillar Coupe, 5-Pass. 300 Deluxe 13337134372-Door Sport Coupe, 5-Pass. 300 Deluxe 13335134354-Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat (Greenbrier) 300 Deluxe 13336134364-Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat (Greenbrier) 300 Deluxe 13346134464-Door Station Wagon, 3-Seat (Greenbrier) Malibu 13569136694-Door Sedan, 6-Pass. Malibu 13539136394-Door Sport Sedan, 6-Pass. Malibu 13537136372-Door Sport Coupe, 5-Pass.* Malibu 13567136672-Door Convertible, 5-Pass.* Malibu 13536136364 Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat (Concours) Malibu 13546136464 Door Station Wagon, 3-Seat (Concours) Super Sport -138372 Door Sport Coupe, 5-Pass.* Concours Estate Wagon-138364-Door Station Wagon, 2-Seat Concours Estate Wagon-138464-Door Station Wagon, 3-Seat El Camino13380134802-Door Sedan Pickup, 3-Pass. Deluxe El Camino 13580136802-Door Sedan Pickup, 3-Pass. Malibu El Camino -138802 Door Sedan Pickup, 3-Pass. Super Sport *4-Passenger when optional bucket seats are ordered. SARGE 69SS/Clone ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Title: Message Thanks for verifying that I'm not completely crazy. I'll have to check the copyright date tonight. Probably 1968. I'd venture to guess that Chevy put out the manual the year prior to production. That way it could be in the shops, when the cars rolled in for repairs. Not to mention that cars are usually released up to a year prior to the production year. The El Camino SS was a shock to me as well, but it's listed in the chart. Wierd. Maybe mine is a true SS. If so, bummer that I don't have the original engine. :( SARGE 69SS/Clone MAYBE?-Original Message-From: Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 11:31 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff Sarge, I have the same manual and I never noticed that before, but there it is! Yes, this 5-digit code is the first 5 numbers of the VIN. But it doesn't list a different number for a '69 SS convertible, wonder why? We all should keep in mind that Chevrolet probably didn't keep very good records back then. Don '69 Chevelle home.carolina.rr.com/donallen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Fruhauf Kerry A SSgt 3CS/SCBSSent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:01 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff Well, it finally worked, I hope itshows upproperly for ya'll. To my knowledge, this 5 digit code is the first 5 numbers of the VIN. The service manual also lists the 1969 model numbers for '69 Chevrolet, '69 Nova, '69 Camaro, '69 Corvette. I highly recommend this manual for everyone. I have used the heck out of it. I hope this helps ya'll out. Again, maybe I'm reading this wrong, if so, please correct me. I'm trusting in the Chevrolet Manual for now, but I'm still open minded to any other inputs. Scott, Sorry to say that according to Chevy's manual, you car is the same as mine, a Malibu 2 Door Sport Coupe. Again, don't take this as the FINAL answer. If the guys/gals in here have further info, I'm sure they can add to this. As far as a theory to why it was sold as an SS, I'm stumped. SARGE 69SS/Clone
Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Hey Sarge, Being that SS equipment was an option in 1969, I'm now back to square 1 (Gotta find the damn build sheet!) Nevertheless, I appreciate your efforts and taking the time to look that up for me. It's not so much that I doubt the car is an SS, it's that I have no way to prove it. John is absolutely right though, Chevrolet wasn't thinking of some guy looking for info 35 years later, they kept minimal records to maintain their business.
Re: [Chevelle-list] 69 SS stuff
Dale, Are you going to be here Friday? I wont be able to get out there in Olathe until after noon, it's the work thing, lots of people on vacation. anyway see you there. Rocky --- Dale McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since this thread has morphed a bit, I think a subject change is in order and toss in my proverbial $0.02 here. There were two colors that were exclusive to the '69 SS. Monaco Orange (code 72) and Daytona Yellow (code 76). If either of these paint codes appear on the cowl tag (and the cowl tag is genuine) then that would prove the car to be a genuine SS. True, very true. Watch for paint delete cars coded - - or some series of number instead of 72 or 76 that may sport SS equipment and be painted SS colors, for they shall be known as clones as well. I have a trim tag from a 70 with 926-99616 for the paint code. 926 is a Dupont non-metallic paint code and 99616 is the formula for Road Commission Orange. As long as they did not alter or move the VIN plates or cowl tags, this would be perfectly legal, and since the VIN tag doesn't tell you much, there would be almost no way for you to know. True except for the trim tag. I'm not aware of any state that requires the trim tag to be authentic (since reproductions are available on the Internet) or even on the car. VIN, yes, don't mess with swapping VIN tags! Leave that to the chop-shops.g While the '69 COPO 427s had basically the same equipment as the SS-396s, they were not generally considered SSs because they did not have any external SS or 427 identification. They were the ultimate sleepers. Any genuine '69 COPO 427 Chevelle is quite valuable today. They weren't considered SS's because they weren't SS's. Correct about no 427 identification either. They did get the blacked out grille (with blue bowtie) and blacked out rear cove as well as the SS hood and sport stripe. Some good COPO info at http://members.core.com/~faldrich/copo.htm and Canadian COPO stuff at http://www.yenko.net/dealers/copos-canada.htm . Yes, the ultimate sleeper in 1969. :*) In addition, there was an L89 aluminum head option available for the '69 375 HP 396. Few were ordered. There were reportedly 7 built in 1968 as well. Collector Bob Macy had one at the MCR show in Wichita, KS in 2000. http://www.midwestchevelles.com/past_shows/mw2000/p233.jpg Another rare car, produced only in '69, was an SS Chevelle built on the 2-door post sedan, the Chevelle 300. This was the only year that a 2-door post sedan SS was produced. Most of the '69 SSs, and all the '70-'72 SSs, were built upon the 2-door Malibu pillarless coupe. Trivia: Careful with Chevelle 300 and Chevelle 300 Deluxe models monikers. 1964 had the Chevelle 300, 65 to 68 had both Chevelle 300 and Chevelle 300 Deluxe. In 1969 the Chevelle 300 Deluxe was the base Chevelle; the Chevelle 300 stopped production with 1968. The Chevelle 300 Deluxe 2-dr sedan/post (model 13427) and the Chevelle 300 Deluxe 2-dr coupe/hardtop (model 13437) were the only non-Malibu Chevelles/Elkys to get the SS option and those are worth a pretty penny today as well. :*) Enjoy, Dale __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ Chevelle-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://chevelles.net/mailman/listinfo/chevelle-list_chevelles.net
