RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6
Dale, I agree 100%. It is just that because of all this "mystique", my car - a car that SHOULD cost $15k tops - costs $25k. If it wasn't for all this hoopla, I could have a second car! Thanks to mystique, I pay double for little doodads like clocks and armrests. On the other hand, when I sell all my spares, i get double what they're worth. Ah, commerce. C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of Dale McIntosh Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 6:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Ah, yes Craig but IF you sold it, you'd sell it as a real SS and not a Malibu clone and get more money for it, right? There's just the mystique of the "SS" badging and that's what makes people built their own fakes, clones, whatever name you wish to use. Unfortunately, the same is becoming true of LS-6 cars. It's the "LS-6" mystique. People even promote their cars as LS-6's when it's really (just?) a 454, bored, rectangle heads, Edelbrock, Holley, MSD, and Hooker equipped. Where did the LS-6 portion go? This mystique in both is what catches the uninformed off guard and the informed critical of such claims. I'm quite certain that if the car in question on eBay was "advertised" as a 454, 4-speed, SS car only, it would sell easily in the low to mid 20s. Being an "LS-6", even though not correct in every respect has gotten someone's fever up to bid over $35K. Considering what true, documented, correct LS-6's are going for, a few cosmetic errors such as incorrect exhaust, valve covers wrong, or even the power brake booster not plated correctly could easily be ~fixed~ for the additional value potential. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Craig A. Ellis Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 The point I was making is that I don't think you can tell whether it's real or not. It's possible to forge a Guttenberg bible and a $100 bill. A build sheet would seem child's play. I mean, you can buy VIN tags, cowl tags, and even the little tape wrap that they used to put on your rear axle - and you can't tell it from the real thing. Why people bet $40k on a build sheet is beyond me. More to the point - all that GM did to create an SS in 1970 was add some options - like adding the DVD player to my wife's minivan. What makes it such a bad thing to do so today? Why NOT just take an ordinary Malibu and turn it into an SS. The end result is exactly the same - 100% exactly the same - except in the mind of the owner. Personally, I don't have a problem with this. Moreover, I don't think anyone needs to explain that that is what they did. I am pretty sure my car is an original SS because I have the VIN data from GM in Canada. But let's be real - I'm in Michigan and there are more non-original parts on that car than you can shake a stick at. Fenders, inner fenders, door skins, quarter panels - even the HOOD for pete's sake. Not to mention springs, rotors, axle shafts, rear end gears, exhaust, radiator, alternator, AC pump, seat covers, shocks, bushings, tie rods, tires, wheels, pistons, cam, rockers, carb, valves, clutch, driveshaft. The whole stupid car seems to have been replaced (and I've got the receipts to prove it). But, when I dump the clutch at 4k, I can't tell if those parts are original or not - too much tire smoke to see clearly. -Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 I don't think I would buy a LS6 without the original build sheet. And not a copy of a build sheet it better be real 1970 paper! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6
Ah, yes Craig but IF you sold it, you'd sell it as a real SS and not a Malibu clone and get more money for it, right? There's just the mystique of the "SS" badging and that's what makes people built their own fakes, clones, whatever name you wish to use. Unfortunately, the same is becoming true of LS-6 cars. It's the "LS-6" mystique. People even promote their cars as LS-6's when it's really (just?) a 454, bored, rectangle heads, Edelbrock, Holley, MSD, and Hooker equipped. Where did the LS-6 portion go? This mystique in both is what catches the uninformed off guard and the informed critical of such claims. I'm quite certain that if the car in question on eBay was "advertised" as a 454, 4-speed, SS car only, it would sell easily in the low to mid 20s. Being an "LS-6", even though not correct in every respect has gotten someone's fever up to bid over $35K. Considering what true, documented, correct LS-6's are going for, a few cosmetic errors such as incorrect exhaust, valve covers wrong, or even the power brake booster not plated correctly could easily be ~fixed~ for the additional value potential. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Craig A. Ellis Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 The point I was making is that I don't think you can tell whether it's real or not. It's possible to forge a Guttenberg bible and a $100 bill. A build sheet would seem child's play. I mean, you can buy VIN tags, cowl tags, and even the little tape wrap that they used to put on your rear axle - and you can't tell it from the real thing. Why people bet $40k on a build sheet is beyond me. More to the point - all that GM did to create an SS in 1970 was add some options - like adding the DVD player to my wife's minivan. What makes it such a bad thing to do so today? Why NOT just take an ordinary Malibu and turn it into an SS. The end result is exactly the same - 100% exactly the same - except in the mind of the owner. Personally, I don't have a problem with this. Moreover, I don't think anyone needs to explain that that is what they did. I am pretty sure my car is an original SS because I have the VIN data from GM in Canada. But let's be real - I'm in Michigan and there are more non-original parts on that car than you can shake a stick at. Fenders, inner fenders, door skins, quarter panels - even the HOOD for pete's sake. Not to mention springs, rotors, axle shafts, rear end gears, exhaust, radiator, alternator, AC pump, seat covers, shocks, bushings, tie rods, tires, wheels, pistons, cam, rockers, carb, valves, clutch, driveshaft. The whole stupid car seems to have been replaced (and I've got the receipts to prove it). But, when I dump the clutch at 4k, I can't tell if those parts are original or not - too much tire smoke to see clearly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 I don't think I would buy a LS6 without the original build sheet. And not a copy of a build sheet it better be real 1970 paper! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6
believe it or not i haven't taken any yet.maybe in the snow??? -Original Message- From: Craig A. Ellis [mailto:Craig@;neagroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Hey, Joe - where are those pics?? BTW, did you look at the 68 Camaro on our website? Just fyi - that's an 11 second Camaro. It is exceptionally nice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of Rozanski Joe (AP/EDC) Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:06 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Craig-you seem to be venting this morning...life ok? later, Joseph Rozanski Sr. Designer Design and Development ROBERT BOSCH CORPORATION Phone:(248)553-1495 Fax:(248)848-2991 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Craig A. Ellis [mailto:Craig@;neagroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 The point I was making is that I don't think you can tell whether it's real or not. It's possible to forge a Guttenberg bible and a $100 bill. A build sheet would seem child's play. I mean, you can buy VIN tags, cowl tags, and even the little tape wrap that they used to put on your rear axle - and you can't tell it from the real thing. Why people bet $40k on a build sheet is beyond me. More to the point - all that GM did to create an SS in 1970 was add some options - like adding the DVD player to my wife's minivan. What makes it such a bad thing to do so today? Why NOT just take an ordinary Malibu and turn it into an SS. The end result is exactly the same - 100% exactly the same - except in the mind of the owner. Personally, I don't have a problem with this. Moreover, I don't think anyone needs to explain that that is what they did. I am pretty sure my car is an original SS because I have the VIN data from GM in Canada. But let's be real - I'm in Michigan and there are more non-original parts on that car than you can shake a stick at. Fenders, inner fenders, door skins, quarter panels - even the HOOD for pete's sake. Not to mention springs, rotors, axle shafts, rear end gears, exhaust, radiator, alternator, AC pump, seat covers, shocks, bushings, tie rods, tires, wheels, pistons, cam, rockers, carb, valves, clutch, driveshaft. The whole stupid car seems to have been replaced (and I've got the receipts to prove it). But, when I dump the clutch at 4k, I can't tell if those parts are original or not - too much tire smoke to see clearly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 I don't think I would buy a LS6 without the original build sheet. And not a copy of a build sheet it better be real 1970 paper! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6
"original" is a tough word - in the true sense it's something that was been
untouched since it was made. A more forgiving term "restored to original"
leaves the opportunity refurbish to maintain the original look. Taking
something and modifying to look like something else is our familiar "clone"
term or replica. Some people are fine with this - it's a knock off of the
real thing, but passing it off as the real thing is where the problem lies.
There is a certain value to knowing "this is what it looked like when it
rolled off the line". An entire Model A can be built out of a catalog, but
it wouldn't be right to call it a "survivor"?.
Back to point - to many people get screwed by misrepresented cars.
Krister Meister
Bartlett, IL
'66 SS #'s matching
"rick"
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Craig,
You have a very good point there. We all try to look for that originality
but then we spent mega bucks for repairs over the years and we still claim
"original".
Sad but true...
- Original Message -
From: "Craig A. Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6
> The point I was making is that I don't think you can tell whether it's
> real or not. It's possible to forge a Guttenberg bible and a $100 bill.
> A build sheet would seem child's play. I mean, you can buy VIN tags,
> cowl tags, and even the little tape wrap that they used to put on your
> rear axle - and you can't tell it from the real thing. Why people bet
> $40k on a build sheet is beyond me.
>
> More to the point - all that GM did to create an SS in 1970 was add some
> options - like adding the DVD player to my wife's minivan. What makes it
> such a bad thing to do so today? Why NOT just take an ordinary Malibu
> and turn it into an SS. The end result is exactly the same - 100%
> exactly the same - except in the mind of the owner. Personally, I don't
> have a problem with this. Moreover, I don't think anyone needs to
> explain that that is what they did. I am pretty sure my car is an
> original SS because I have the VIN data from GM in Canada. But let's be
> real - I'm in Michigan and there are more non-original parts on that car
> than you can shake a stick at. Fenders, inner fenders, door skins,
> quarter panels - even the HOOD for pete's sake. Not to mention springs,
> rotors, axle shafts, rear end gears, exhaust, radiator, alternator, AC
> pump, seat covers, shocks, bushings, tie rods, tires, wheels, pistons,
> cam, rockers, carb, valves, clutch, driveshaft. The whole stupid car
> seems to have been replaced (and I've got the receipts to prove it).
> But, when I dump the clutch at 4k, I can't tell if those parts are
> original or not - too much tire smoke to see clearly.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:31 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6
>
>
> I don't think I would buy a LS6 without the original build sheet. And
> not a
> copy of a build she
RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6
Hey, Joe - where are those pics?? BTW, did you look at the 68 Camaro on our website? Just fyi - that's an 11 second Camaro. It is exceptionally nice. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of Rozanski Joe (AP/EDC) Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:06 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Craig-you seem to be venting this morning...life ok? later, Joseph Rozanski Sr. Designer Design and Development ROBERT BOSCH CORPORATION Phone:(248)553-1495 Fax:(248)848-2991 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Craig A. Ellis [mailto:Craig@;neagroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 The point I was making is that I don't think you can tell whether it's real or not. It's possible to forge a Guttenberg bible and a $100 bill. A build sheet would seem child's play. I mean, you can buy VIN tags, cowl tags, and even the little tape wrap that they used to put on your rear axle - and you can't tell it from the real thing. Why people bet $40k on a build sheet is beyond me. More to the point - all that GM did to create an SS in 1970 was add some options - like adding the DVD player to my wife's minivan. What makes it such a bad thing to do so today? Why NOT just take an ordinary Malibu and turn it into an SS. The end result is exactly the same - 100% exactly the same - except in the mind of the owner. Personally, I don't have a problem with this. Moreover, I don't think anyone needs to explain that that is what they did. I am pretty sure my car is an original SS because I have the VIN data from GM in Canada. But let's be real - I'm in Michigan and there are more non-original parts on that car than you can shake a stick at. Fenders, inner fenders, door skins, quarter panels - even the HOOD for pete's sake. Not to mention springs, rotors, axle shafts, rear end gears, exhaust, radiator, alternator, AC pump, seat covers, shocks, bushings, tie rods, tires, wheels, pistons, cam, rockers, carb, valves, clutch, driveshaft. The whole stupid car seems to have been replaced (and I've got the receipts to prove it). But, when I dump the clutch at 4k, I can't tell if those parts are original or not - too much tire smoke to see clearly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 I don't think I would buy a LS6 without the original build sheet. And not a copy of a build sheet it better be real 1970 paper! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6
LOL! Yeah, life is grand. You're right - I'm must be venting a bit! I had a 66 goat when I was in HS. Back then, NOBODY left them original. The whole point in owning one was to goose it somehow. The only guys that left them untouched were the posers. Heck, the idea that GM built it correctly in the first place was like an affront to one's manhood or something! And, yes, I used to cut dashes, too. And put wheel lip flares on 67 vettes. I suppose I'll have to change my phone number now... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of Rozanski Joe (AP/EDC) Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:06 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Craig-you seem to be venting this morning...life ok? later, Joseph Rozanski Sr. Designer Design and Development ROBERT BOSCH CORPORATION Phone:(248)553-1495 Fax:(248)848-2991 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Craig A. Ellis [mailto:Craig@;neagroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 The point I was making is that I don't think you can tell whether it's real or not. It's possible to forge a Guttenberg bible and a $100 bill. A build sheet would seem child's play. I mean, you can buy VIN tags, cowl tags, and even the little tape wrap that they used to put on your rear axle - and you can't tell it from the real thing. Why people bet $40k on a build sheet is beyond me. More to the point - all that GM did to create an SS in 1970 was add some options - like adding the DVD player to my wife's minivan. What makes it such a bad thing to do so today? Why NOT just take an ordinary Malibu and turn it into an SS. The end result is exactly the same - 100% exactly the same - except in the mind of the owner. Personally, I don't have a problem with this. Moreover, I don't think anyone needs to explain that that is what they did. I am pretty sure my car is an original SS because I have the VIN data from GM in Canada. But let's be real - I'm in Michigan and there are more non-original parts on that car than you can shake a stick at. Fenders, inner fenders, door skins, quarter panels - even the HOOD for pete's sake. Not to mention springs, rotors, axle shafts, rear end gears, exhaust, radiator, alternator, AC pump, seat covers, shocks, bushings, tie rods, tires, wheels, pistons, cam, rockers, carb, valves, clutch, driveshaft. The whole stupid car seems to have been replaced (and I've got the receipts to prove it). But, when I dump the clutch at 4k, I can't tell if those parts are original or not - too much tire smoke to see clearly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 I don't think I would buy a LS6 without the original build sheet. And not a copy of a build sheet it better be real 1970 paper! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6
Craig-you seem to be venting this morning...life ok? later, Joseph Rozanski Sr. Designer Design and Development ROBERT BOSCH CORPORATION Phone:(248)553-1495 Fax:(248)848-2991 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Craig A. Ellis [mailto:Craig@;neagroup.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:51 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 The point I was making is that I don't think you can tell whether it's real or not. It's possible to forge a Guttenberg bible and a $100 bill. A build sheet would seem child's play. I mean, you can buy VIN tags, cowl tags, and even the little tape wrap that they used to put on your rear axle - and you can't tell it from the real thing. Why people bet $40k on a build sheet is beyond me. More to the point - all that GM did to create an SS in 1970 was add some options - like adding the DVD player to my wife's minivan. What makes it such a bad thing to do so today? Why NOT just take an ordinary Malibu and turn it into an SS. The end result is exactly the same - 100% exactly the same - except in the mind of the owner. Personally, I don't have a problem with this. Moreover, I don't think anyone needs to explain that that is what they did. I am pretty sure my car is an original SS because I have the VIN data from GM in Canada. But let's be real - I'm in Michigan and there are more non-original parts on that car than you can shake a stick at. Fenders, inner fenders, door skins, quarter panels - even the HOOD for pete's sake. Not to mention springs, rotors, axle shafts, rear end gears, exhaust, radiator, alternator, AC pump, seat covers, shocks, bushings, tie rods, tires, wheels, pistons, cam, rockers, carb, valves, clutch, driveshaft. The whole stupid car seems to have been replaced (and I've got the receipts to prove it). But, when I dump the clutch at 4k, I can't tell if those parts are original or not - too much tire smoke to see clearly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 I don't think I would buy a LS6 without the original build sheet. And not a copy of a build sheet it better be real 1970 paper! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6
Craig, You have a very good point there. We all try to look for that originality but then we spent mega bucks for repairs over the years and we still claim "original". Sad but true... - Original Message - From: "Craig A. Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 > The point I was making is that I don't think you can tell whether it's > real or not. It's possible to forge a Guttenberg bible and a $100 bill. > A build sheet would seem child's play. I mean, you can buy VIN tags, > cowl tags, and even the little tape wrap that they used to put on your > rear axle - and you can't tell it from the real thing. Why people bet > $40k on a build sheet is beyond me. > > More to the point - all that GM did to create an SS in 1970 was add some > options - like adding the DVD player to my wife's minivan. What makes it > such a bad thing to do so today? Why NOT just take an ordinary Malibu > and turn it into an SS. The end result is exactly the same - 100% > exactly the same - except in the mind of the owner. Personally, I don't > have a problem with this. Moreover, I don't think anyone needs to > explain that that is what they did. I am pretty sure my car is an > original SS because I have the VIN data from GM in Canada. But let's be > real - I'm in Michigan and there are more non-original parts on that car > than you can shake a stick at. Fenders, inner fenders, door skins, > quarter panels - even the HOOD for pete's sake. Not to mention springs, > rotors, axle shafts, rear end gears, exhaust, radiator, alternator, AC > pump, seat covers, shocks, bushings, tie rods, tires, wheels, pistons, > cam, rockers, carb, valves, clutch, driveshaft. The whole stupid car > seems to have been replaced (and I've got the receipts to prove it). > But, when I dump the clutch at 4k, I can't tell if those parts are > original or not - too much tire smoke to see clearly. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:31 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 > > > I don't think I would buy a LS6 without the original build sheet. And > not a > copy of a build sheet it better be real 1970 paper! > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/02 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The point I was making is that I don't think you can tell whether it's real or not. It's possible to forge a Guttenberg bible and a $100 bill. A build sheet would seem child's play. I mean, you can buy VIN tags, cowl tags, and even the little tape wrap that they used to put on your rear axle - and you can't tell it from the real thing. Why people bet $40k on a build sheet is beyond me. More to the point - all that GM did to create an SS in 1970 was add some options - like adding the DVD player to my wife's minivan. What makes it such a bad thing to do so today? Why NOT just take an ordinary Malibu and turn it into an SS. The end result is exactly the same - 100% exactly the same - except in the mind of the owner. Personally, I don't have a problem with this. Moreover, I don't think anyone needs to explain that that is what they did. I am pretty sure my car is an original SS because I have the VIN data from GM in Canada. But let's be real - I'm in Michigan and there are more non-original parts on that car than you can shake a stick at. Fenders, inner fenders, door skins, quarter panels - even the HOOD for pete's sake. Not to mention springs, rotors, axle shafts, rear end gears, exhaust, radiator, alternator, AC pump, seat covers, shocks, bushings, tie rods, tires, wheels, pistons, cam, rockers, carb, valves, clutch, driveshaft. The whole stupid car seems to have been replaced (and I've got the receipts to prove it). But, when I dump the clutch at 4k, I can't tell if those parts are original or not - too much tire smoke to see clearly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 I don't think I would buy a LS6 without the original build sheet. And not a copy of a build sheet it better be real 1970 paper! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't think I would buy a LS6 without the original build sheet. And not a copy of a build sheet it better be real 1970 paper! - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've had my 70 LS6 since 1972 I and I'm amased at how few LS6 I come across and the few that are "LS6" are " well it used to be"... or ..."crate engine"... or I think it is because its a big blocketc. In 1973 when I got married, I tried to trade it in for a new "family" type carThank God it was during the "gas crisis" and as soon as the salesman saw it he laughed and said he could only give me a few hundred for it. It was a good enough excuse for me to keep the beast 'cause I kinda felt that it might be worth something some day. Now there must be 10,000 LS6 running aroundthey are all over the place...so buyer be ware does apply. Bill C - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Man you got good eyes! I'd never see all that in these small pictures; must be my age. Bill C Ct 70 LS6 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Go ahead and keep telling yourself that! Rocky Hill --- Crazy Rusty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know with the 64-70 chevelle's it also depended on > what quarter of the > year the car was manufactored in. For instance, my > 69 came with a SS > hood from the factory but is not an SS because they > had an excess of SS > hoods. If they were out of one part and it was too > close to EOY, they > would just slap on something else. I don't think > that 70SS is original > though. > > JB > 69 Chev Mali > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf > Of Dale McIntosh > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:43 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 > > Either the valve covers have been switched or > someone put a sticker on > the drivers side. Agree that the engine paint looks > a little too nice > to be a survivor unless the engine was warranteed > just before the > pictures were taken. > > Dale McIntosh > TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 > 67SS/67 Elky > Dale's Place > Team 67 > Midwest Chevelle Regionals > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf > Of Brad Waller > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:06 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 > > > > 1. Amber Turn Signal Lenses > > 2. Small block fan shroud > > 3. Paint is a bit shiney for factory and being 32 > years old at that > > 4. wrong upper radiator hose > > 5. Power Booster is painted black > > 6. No smog crap on it > > > > I am sure I can find more. It's a nice car, but > to be > > "unmolested" and a "survivor" I think not > > Yeah, but it has a "numbers matching" CE replacement > block... > > Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > '66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes > | 245/45/16 BFGs > '67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | '79 F-Body > Brakes > > > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit > www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit > www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To Unsubscribe please visit > www.chevelles.net/list.html > To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I know with the 64-70 chevelle's it also depended on what quarter of the year the car was manufactored in. For instance, my 69 came with a SS hood from the factory but is not an SS because they had an excess of SS hoods. If they were out of one part and it was too close to EOY, they would just slap on something else. I don't think that 70SS is original though. JB 69 Chev Mali -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Dale McIntosh Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Either the valve covers have been switched or someone put a sticker on the drivers side. Agree that the engine paint looks a little too nice to be a survivor unless the engine was warranteed just before the pictures were taken. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Brad Waller Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 > > 1. Amber Turn Signal Lenses > 2. Small block fan shroud > 3. Paint is a bit shiney for factory and being 32 years old at that > 4. wrong upper radiator hose > 5. Power Booster is painted black > 6. No smog crap on it > > I am sure I can find more. It's a nice car, but to be > "unmolested" and a "survivor" I think not Yeah, but it has a "numbers matching" CE replacement block... Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) '66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFGs '67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | '79 F-Body Brakes - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Either the valve covers have been switched or someone put a sticker on the drivers side. Agree that the engine paint looks a little too nice to be a survivor unless the engine was warranteed just before the pictures were taken. Dale McIntosh TC Gold #92/ACES #1709 67SS/67 Elky Dale's Place Team 67 Midwest Chevelle Regionals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf Of Brad Waller Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 > > 1. Amber Turn Signal Lenses > 2. Small block fan shroud > 3. Paint is a bit shiney for factory and being 32 years old at that > 4. wrong upper radiator hose > 5. Power Booster is painted black > 6. No smog crap on it > > I am sure I can find more. It's a nice car, but to be > "unmolested" and a "survivor" I think not Yeah, but it has a "numbers matching" CE replacement block... Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) '66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFGs '67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | '79 F-Body Brakes - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 > > 1. Amber Turn Signal Lenses > 2. Small block fan shroud > 3. Paint is a bit shiney for factory and being 32 years old at that > 4. wrong upper radiator hose > 5. Power Booster is painted black > 6. No smog crap on it > > I am sure I can find more. It's a nice car, but to be > "unmolested" and a "survivor" I think not Yeah, but it has a "numbers matching" CE replacement block... Brad Waller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) '66 Corvette | 327/dead | 4-speed | Wilwood Brakes | 245/45/16 BFGs '67 Chevelle | ex-SS396 | 355/700R4 | '79 F-Body Brakes - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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At first glance, I would have guessed this one to be a project someone put together to screw somebody out of a bunch of money. JMHO, this one feels wrong all over. For the kind of money the real McCoy commands, a whole lot of enterprizing guys will do a whole lot of work...including forging the build sheet, which is, BTW, a piece of cake. In fact, I'm reasonably confident that there are places on the net where you can BUY a build sheet made to order. I think NONECk is right about this: Without the data from GM directly by VIN, you just have no way of knowing the true skinny anymore. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 1. Amber Turn Signal Lenses 2. Small block fan shroud 3. Paint is a bit shiney for factory and being 32 years old at that 4. wrong upper radiator hose 5. Power Booster is painted black 6. No smog crap on it I am sure I can find more. It's a nice car, but to be "unmolested" and a "survivor" I think not Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Also the "build sheet" pictured lists a remote control mirror. I don't see it in the pictures. John L. 70 SS - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 1. Amber Turn Signal Lenses 2. Small block fan shroud 3. Paint is a bit shiney for factory and being 32 years old at that 4. wrong upper radiator hose 5. Power Booster is painted black 6. No smog crap on it I am sure I can find more. It's a nice car, but to be "unmolested" and a "survivor" I think not Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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1. Amber Turn Signal Lenses 2. Small block fan shroud 3. Paint is a bit shiney for factory and being 32 years old at that 4. wrong upper radiator hose 5. Power Booster is painted black 6. No smog crap on it I am sure I can find more. It's a nice car, but to be "unmolested" and a "survivor" I think not Tom - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ken, I was just talking about that year in particular, '70. My '70 SS has the clear lenses and all the Malibu's that I've seen have the amber lenses. Sorry for the mix up, I wasn't referring to all year SS's. John L. 70 SS - Original Message - From: "Ken Swimkosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 John I'm not sure about ALL Chevelles because my 69 Malibu still has the original front lenses in the bumper opening and they are clear. Ken 69 Malibu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf Of jlon5 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Right off the bat, I thought that all SS cars had clear front parking lights with amber bulbs and the regular Chevelles and Malibus had amber lenses with clear bulbs like the ones that are on it. John L. 70 SS - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Boy, this chevelle looks familiar...like I've seen it here before. OK I give, what are the mistakes... Bill C wondering in Ct 70 LS6 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ken, I was just talking about that year in particular, '70. My '70 SS has the clear lenses and all the Malibu's that I've seen have the amber lenses. Sorry for the mix up, I wasn't referring to all year SS's. John L. 70 SS - Original Message - From: "Ken Swimkosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 John I'm not sure about ALL Chevelles because my 69 Malibu still has the original front lenses in the bumper opening and they are clear. Ken 69 Malibu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf Of jlon5 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Right off the bat, I thought that all SS cars had clear front parking lights with amber bulbs and the regular Chevelles and Malibus had amber lenses with clear bulbs like the ones that are on it. John L. 70 SS - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Boy, this chevelle looks familiar...like I've seen it here before. OK I give, what are the mistakes... Bill C wondering in Ct 70 LS6 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John I'm not sure about ALL Chevelles because my 69 Malibu still has the original front lenses in the bumper opening and they are clear. Ken 69 Malibu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-chevelle-list@;chevelles.net] On Behalf Of jlon5 Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Right off the bat, I thought that all SS cars had clear front parking lights with amber bulbs and the regular Chevelles and Malibus had amber lenses with clear bulbs like the ones that are on it. John L. 70 SS - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Boy, this chevelle looks familiar...like I've seen it here before. OK I give, what are the mistakes... Bill C wondering in Ct 70 LS6 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Right off the bat, I thought that all SS cars had clear front parking lights with amber bulbs and the regular Chevelles and Malibus had amber lenses with clear bulbs like the ones that are on it. John L. 70 SS - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-List] Another Ebay LS6 Boy, this chevelle looks familiar...like I've seen it here before. OK I give, what are the mistakes... Bill C wondering in Ct 70 LS6 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Boy, this chevelle looks familiar...like I've seen it here before. OK I give, what are the mistakes... Bill C wondering in Ct 70 LS6 - To Unsubscribe please visit www.chevelles.net/list.html To start a new topic, send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
